2017 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate: De-Extinction
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Neil deGrasse Tyson and panelists discuss de-extinction in the 2017 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate at the American Museum of Natural History. Biologists today have the knowledge, the tools, and the ability to influence the evolution of life on Earth. Do we have an obligation to bring back species that human activities may have rendered extinct? Does the technology exist to do so? Join Tyson and the panel for a lively debate about the merits and shortcomings of this provocative idea.
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2017 Asimov Debate panelists are:
George Church
Professor of Health Sciences and Technology, Harvard University and MIT
Hank Greely
Director of the Center for Law and the Biosciences, Stanford University
Gregory Kaebnick
Scholar, The Hastings Center; Editor, Hastings Center Report
Ross MacPhee
Curator, Department of Mammalogy, Division of Vertebrate Zoology; Professor, Richard Gilder Graduate School
Beth Shapiro
Professor of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of California, Santa Cruz
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The late Dr. Isaac Asimov, one of the most prolific and influential authors of our time, was a dear friend and supporter of the American Museum of Natural History. In his memory, the Hayden Planetarium is honored to host the annual Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate-generously endowed by relatives, friends, and admirers of Isaac Asimov and his work-bringing the finest minds in the world to the Museum each year to debate pressing questions on the frontier of scientific discovery.
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Isaac Asimov wrote a great book on bringing back a Neanderthal child, "The Ugly Little Boy", that explores a lot of the questions brought-up here. :)
Archmaester Drew I was looking for some advice or comment wich illustrate me about Asimov's books since I just started read his work. Thanks alot!
You're welcome! Azimov's most famous series is undoubtedly "The Foundation" series, well worth the read, but he wrote many other great books too. :)
I discovered Asimov about 20 years ago when I stumbled upon "Jupiter: The Largest Planet" down at my local library. I started collecting all his books soon after that first book.
Even though he gained fame in the science fiction genre, I prefer reading his history and science books the best. I'm reading his "Guide to the Bible" as I'm making this comment.
I only have 1 fiction book by Asimov and that's "Pebble in the Sky", which, although it's been many years now since I read it, I remember it being a very good read.
yeah, "pebble" is a great book! and if i recall correctly, it's kind of an unofficial prequel to "foundation."
I love these debates so much. I haven't watched all 18 yet but I have watched about 6 so far. I always share them. The thing I love about these debates is it's really like just sitting in a room with these people and you are listening to this intelligent conversation. Of course Neil is always spectacular. I would love to see one of these debates live. I was looking forward to this years and it did not disappoint!
If you find a link to ALL of them, do feel free to post them here :)
Or just pop me a pm
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Love the Memorial Debates, always fascinating discussions about the current leading edge questions in science.
I do wonder, however, why the person running the live sound at these events, year, after year, after year, cannot eliminate the high pitched ringing microphone feedback in the room, it shows up on EVERY recording of this annual event? Very curious ...
The panelists needed more room to speak without being talked over. I would love to hear them on this subject in a more formal discussion.
Wish these panels happened monthly. Another great discussion. Looking forward to the next one. I hope you will touch on artificial intelligence and all the views regarding that. I'm curious at what point AI gains consciousness and rights.
What the heck Christina!!! I had a peek at your channel as I was curious to your interests and it led me to a video of a female dancing in an attempt to activate my limbic brain. Urghh!!! xD.
It was a fascinating observing my mental process though. Thank you for that leap.
I'm simply human. You're welcome
Yay intelligent science ladies. May the groove be with you always.
You do realize that that subject is being milked try right about now? There is a lot of material about this subject but I'm sorry to say that there is no absolute way to know what will truly happen unless the said AI isn't a truly artificial *intelligence*.
Christina The Stanford AI lectures are informative and good. P.S. "the computers will determine our future in a microsecond.... extermination!! ( Terminator) lol
I was just thinking, gosh, how long has it been since the last Asimov Debate ? It's been a while, let's ask YT. And voila, 23 hours ago it was uploaded.
It must be divine...
same lol
Gabi Koonings dido
Did it happen again this year?
Always look forward to these debates, awsome stuff guys keep up the great work.
Finally, I was waiting for this record since 2016 memorial debate which was awesooooome. Science debate is the best thing you can get, it's educating, also having some fun and providing many useful ideas!
Neil just can't help himself from cutting someone off, touching someone, or being passive aggressive. props to these wonderful people to have the patience to bear him.
Great discussion.
I learned so many things.
Thanks for the channel.
I love these panel discussions. I would love to see a "bar" environment created on stage to enhance the commentary. They don't seem to be very comfortable in the current set up. Put the panelists around a "bar" and give them a beverage of their choice. That conversation would be awesome I think.
Wish these panels happened monthly. Another great discussion. Looking forward to the next one. I hope you will touch on the 7Earth like EXOPLANETS
Great discussion. Amazing potential for organ donors to have a future with porcine replacements. I enjoyed the statement at the end about doctoring microorganisms for fuel alternatives (Algae) and alternative food creation strategies.
Worst part of this was Tyson always interrupting. so much for the casual conversation between peers
How could all , participants, panel and our dear Neil deGrass Tyson , have neglected the question to be asked or put to this wonderful panel , '' Can we , or do we think about Terra--Forming The Moon or Mars some day ? ''
Indeed, the future will showcase the full spectrum human folly and wisdom: and it is for us to determine which will prevail. I think those references to the anthropocentric reorganization that will take place and the responsibility for care and wise actions are exceptionally important. I look forward to these every year, and, happy to say, had the pleasure of seeing one in person a few years back. Thank you to everyone who is involved in putting these together!
But isnt the elephat in the room that we could gain the knowledge to make ourselves better. Muddle with our own genes and make humans more disease resistant, stay younger longer, better brains? making our species better is that not the ultimate goal. Cure effectively any type of physical or mental abnormality.
Brian Brennan Problem is : who are you to say what is "normal" and what is "abnormal"? who's going to decide this and where's the limit ? that's a huge problem with loads of ramifications, most of them ugly. One of the last one who wanted that kind of thing was Hitler... not the kind of people I'd like to see again in a position of power.
Liz 372 fuck ethics lets evolve, im talking about being Captains of our own destiny as a species. screw "normal" thats simply too relative a term
not to mention make ourselves freeze and fire proof then tell climate change to go fuck itself in the ass.
Screw being "normal", I want to be healthy
Brian Brennan: If our cultural evolution includes the adoption of a "fuck ethics" mentality, then we are in very big trouble.
Yeeeeeeesssss! I wait on these every year THANK YOU!
I have a great deal of respect of Mr Tyson but I wish he would let the panel finish what they are saying. Really annoying.
They are on limited time tho.
Little Monk Agree. But I have almost no respect for him. I think he’s a joke. He is only a smart person according to dumb people. All smart people know he is just a populist joke.
@@thegoodthebadandtheugly579 I don't think you have enough intelligence to judge that.
Otar Magaldadze Hah yeah, sounds a lot like what Tyson would say.. 🙄🙄🙄🖕🏻
@@thegoodthebadandtheugly579 He wouldn't waste his minute on a fucktard and arrogant like you. Do half of what Neil Tyson did for popularisation of science and then talk.
I enjoyed this session very much. Would love to witness one even though I don't live in the USA. New Yorkers are a lucky bunch!
I agree with Ross, we have a NEED to evolve our food tech in order to support our CURRENT population size. We have simply not put enough effort to make more efficient food produce per acre of land space we have on this planet. We are running out of time at that as well
It's funny how he always says the debate is gonna be about 1hr long and about 10 mins for Q&A.
:D Been waiting on this for a minute.
7months left until we can enjoy new Debate. Cant wait!
8:18 "I'm the moral philosopher",'i'm here to try make sure you guys don't kill us.'"
The fact that he had to struggle with an answer to "should humans be de-extincted?" says a lot about us. 🤔
Wilford Brimley in a Cosby sweater. Sweet.
Panels like this give me hope for the future!
Been checking every night and waiting for this. 😆
After watching this discussion it seems like we're at a crossroads between living in symbiosis with our environment, or being parasites who synthesize our own host as a means to exist.
fantastic panel and also what amazes me how are they all such good speakers
They really should structure the stage differently. 5 chairs all in a straight line and Neil awkwardly walking around and behind people over and over again, its terrible, nobody knows where to look when they're talking or listening, its absurd.
Put the chairs in more of a V shape so everyone is sort of facing the middle and the audience. That would be a much better format for people in these debates
bob smith There should be a fire place and they should be drinking out of gold chalices. They do that on cspan sometimes ( seriously) lol .
Chairs would be a great improvement over the uncomfortable stools the panel had to sit on in this video. the only way anyone should be expected to sit on a stool that long is at a bar ( and only if they are sufficiently anesthetized).
How sad, I'm watching this as a herd of 15 or so elephants are migrating through Chinese cities in search of a home. 😥
Ross: the problem is that there is too many humans on the planet.
Neil: you're aware that you brought your family here tonight?
Me: Lol
we would not have most of the tech and comforts we enjoy without the insane population we have on earth right now more people the better unless ur scared of competition.
"save the earth, don't give birth"
S1UU great
As I always say: the great heroes of medicine are the villains of ecology. They are the people responsible for such a large proliferation of humans. Heroes, nonetheless.
Lets not be absolutist... .. .
Hurray! Was actually just thinking about this yesterday!
Super knowledgeable and humble panelists.
sound volume is pretty low
I thought this was supposed to be a " look into a discussion among these folks in a bar". Neil finally had them started talking to each other - as in a discussion" - then he immediately stepped into the middle of it and stopped their interaction and went back to Neil DeGrasse show. So the early presentation was a false pretense - this was a standard, moderated panel. OK I guess ?????
Yeah, I guess it's hard to moderate this kind of panel on such a limited time so such interruptions are needed. They have to touch all of the topics but not get too far or too long on just one. Takes skill.
Yeah it needed a bit more structure I think. The lawyer dude suggested it. He was like 1. breed individuals (talk to the mammoth book woman and the geneticist about possibilities, get moral perspective, law perspective, and find out what that weird guy at the end is about). 2. Small breeding colony( benefits, implications, figure out based on the stance they have what their perspectives are going in and tap the most interesting / controversial first) 3. Mammoth park (this was introduced way too early).
This was all over the place, I think maybe Neil was that drunk guy.
He does it here more then when it involves his own field of interest and occupation. Mars, Particles , Black Matter and you will see he interrupts less and with fewer jokes.
as soon as you get a large number, more than 3, science types together... you've GOT TO GET THEM DRUNK... to simulate 'a talk in a bar'. trust me, I've been part of a few of those drunken intellectual brawls. WITHOUT booze: guy 1 rambles on, guy 2 interrupts him with counterpoints by the dozens, guy 3 either interrupts BOTH guy 1 and 2 or just sits there listening and doesn't chime in till guy 1 and 2 pause for breaths. if you add guy 4 HE becomes guy 3 and guy 3 argues with guy 1 and 2 in a moderately orderly fashion. how do you get RID of all that order? ADD BOOZE... and all hell breaks loose. nobody shuts up, everybody yells over everybody else, and eventually the fists fly just as fast as the theories were earlier. because, there's ALWAYS a Ross MacPhee. that guy seriously needs to keep his yap shut about overpopulation. because he nigh on said 'kill some humans'. get enough science types together, get em drunk, and somebody will say something damn inflammatory and everybody else gangs up on THAT one guy and whoo wee kaydee bar the door... there's gonna be a tussle. :> NDT is the moderator. he's the observatory director there for the AMONH so ... that's his house. it's his turf. his panel. so. expecting the moderator to sit in a chair, lean back, sip something and let the fists and fur fly? no.
...96,000 subscribers, and only 23,000 views in almost a month... Shameful. I always enjoy these debates.
I blame CZcams.
I didn't get any notification for this lecture.
The channel is not as busy as other channels that post 3 minute videos.
I also don't visit it regularly, that''s probably why most people haven't received any notifications.
Its a theory anyway, there could be other reasons.
Mammoth: Rezz me plz.
Beth Shapiro: Wait up, grabbing better gear.
de-extincting Neandertals was somewhat addressed previously - Isaac Asimov's "The Ugly Little Boy" involved scientists going back in time and kidnapping a Neandertal boy and bringing him to the present. There was also a movie whose name I cannot remember where a Neandertal was defrosted after finding him in a glacier. The problems of loneliness of being the only one of their kind and with the little boy, not being accepted by present-day children were exhibited in these tales. In the movie, the Neandertal grabbed the struts of a helicopter, then dropped to his death, and in Isaac Asimov's story, the ugly little boy was brought back to his own time by a sympathetic female scientist.
one day i would like to see this in person
Very uncomfortable chair for almost two hours
Yeah buddy. Love these talks.
I crave this kind of discussion often. This was so much fun to listen to/watch.
funny but kinda messy panel and the guests were all very different, I wish the ethics guy had contributed more to the debate as its one of the main parts about de-extinction that is dividing the public and scientists.
I guess there's just so many aspects to cover when it comes to this topic so I'm not surprised, but I feel like they barely scratched the surface and kept on circling around "whether it's possible or if it's legal" instead of the important questions such as why and also the matter of being able to practically control evolutionary processes. the moderator should've brought it up, would've created a better discussion.
Not the best Asimov debate. I wish they would've talked more about the science of resurrecting species.
I've been a fan of Tyson for years but he's not well suited for moderating; he likes to talk a little too much. A good quality but not for moderators. Moderators need to let orhers talk.
according to whom? there are many ways to moderate and debate
I disagree.
Hear that NGT..shut the fuck up and let the damn panel talk
When are we going to try the mammoth cheese?
Another Great discussion. thank you Neil!, and the panel, of course and everyone who made it happen! I LOVE hearing these discussions from such qualified individuals. I don't know how many of these there are, but I'd like to watch them all. Neil does a great job as a host, stays on track quite well, keeps the panel laughing instead of fighting, thinks on his feet, etc. well done and GREAT topics. I will share these discussions with others so more of us can think more wholistically with each other about these bigger topics that effect us all.
...with all due respect, I noticed here that people don't comment on the subject discussed here, but on things not related at all to the subject; meaning less or empty thought. I wonder, do we understand the subject at all?
People shouldn't boo and moo like farm animals during debates, lectures etc. When the farm animals went moo for buddies there's to many people comment , perfect example .
George Church is a powerhouse.
0:01 - Is it 'our' 17th or 18th.
Neil didn't read the memo. WTF?
Nice
I wish people would stop mumbling so much when asked a question.
is the timeline exhibit as old as those asimov days? wonder if he was inspired by that display of the vastness of time as you go up the spiral
I love these, but this is not like a "casual conversation at a bar". It's a formal panel where participants are grilled by Neil and their answers are scrutinized. This is just "where are we now" infotainment.
If you want to actually have interesting casual conversations, you have to have the right environment, like the JRE podcast studio.
LOL. JRE podcast... truly the source of such wisdom and thoughtful discussion.
Maybe their talks in bars are like that.
Ur an idiot.. joe rogan sells bullshit products and is a dumb ass. Please dont compare stoned speculators with scientists.
Joe has had fantastic podcasts with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye, but his others with less educated people are often terrible
JRE has only a few good ones, most of them are a waste of time
Well done!
DNA extracted from a horse bone estimated to be 700,000 years old and which was recovered in Arctic permafrost? Lots of questions about that. But okay, if you say so.
I love these debates but in my opinion, the presupposition that these debates are bar conversations is flawed. I mean they have a moderator providing them with lead-ins.
I love Neil and his delivery.
I couldn't help but hear George Carlin sitting on my shoulder doing his "Save the Planet" rant, the whole time.
1:44:00 yeah, we're screwed
Nice!!!
4:42 I was so glad he said "Beth"!
why is the host louder than his guests? Why is this issue so funny? We recreated the Bison (Aurochs) in Europe and reintroduced them to the Forest of Poland etc.
I believe humans have created way too many problems for the environment, just by trading, then by transferring species from one ocean to the next through grows on ships bodies...
46:30 listening in 2021 lol
Shared.
What about intentional devolution? I am thinking about the striped horses that were redevolved in Poland, and now run wild there.
Historically, wherever humans have arrived in a particular ecosystem, the indigenous animals have gone extinct.
So,
People= bad.
Animals= good.
Thats what that guy is saying, essentially.
(Or not, "essentially," lol but rather literally.)
Not that I'm disagreeing, mind you.
I'm only asking if that's the nutshell of it.
I am curious about what if one of these habitats that we have set aside for preservation like Yellowstone would get destroyed by something that is out of our hands. like the volcano waking up and obliterating everything we put there to preserve, why preserve thinks in a place with higher risk of destruction, and/or what can be done to prevent this? Natural disasters can and will go against our wishes every once in a while...
Too many things flying from different directions, doesn't let us to concentrate to discussions like this one,
We have the technology, we don't have sustainability - is similar to archaeology, sometimes after an excavations, archaeologists covers back the vestiges found in order to don't be destroyed, a lot of scientists has covered the discoveries to don't let the civilisation to quickly auto extinct.
About what was extinct - will be nice to resurrect some species for the sake of possibility to do so, question is why? Is this necessary? Is this helping the present or the continuum present - aka future?
experts say that if we hope to survive and reduce extinction rates of species we should reduce global human population total to 2 billion.
I learned my basic early back ground in Science from the esteemed Isaac Asimov! :)
41:25 Wtf, they are literally talking about Covid19 without saying the name of it, because no one knew it would actually happend four years later, even scientifically knowing it could...xD
Scientists really like to interject and interrupt one another.
I think it shows their enthusiasm, but sometimes it's a bit much.
I was lucky enough to be able to travel to the west coast to see the total eclipse in person. Very awesome!!!
Paleontologist Ross? C'mon. Someone?
Smirnov Alexandr
oh Friends... lol
Pivot!
I guess neither NDT nor Ross ever watched Friends :(
have another on the house
Holiday armadillo!
It would be smart to adopt policies of caring for all species and humans. This will require focus and cooperation on an ethical level far different from what we see commonly. Extraordinary measures for difficult times. Can we shift from simple self interest. We have the means. Do we have the will? CRISPR question is spooky also the talk of mutation of N7R9 virus. Beyond Covid people, come on.
IA wrote over 600 books ??!! stunning....
so did LRon
Mammoths had an enormous migratory range. I doubt one could live in captivity happily. I want to see us make the Dino chicken happen.
I can't believe that none asked George whether it is possible to somehow in some way to bring back Dinosaurs and how long time before that happens...Oh i wish that i was there.
I don't think you listened to what was said.
Neil's tie isn't space themed!!!
cool
Yes, the tech exists ...but need more and more:
refining and tools to bring it in existence. For example: creating
synthetic genes as a copy of the original genes, then removing the synthetic
genes substituting it with real amino acids. The copy shall go alive and
reproduced if inserted, for example in an egg. A very large egg would be
that of a chicken of which the genes already created would take over the
chicken egg chromosome replication and replicate itself. Out of a chicken
egg then, we could recreate an ostrich or any similar egg whatever it creates.
wow, thx for this. hi from Greece, Europe
Neil, I love you, but you gotta curb your anecdotes while you're hosting unless you're sure they're super relevant. The flow wasn't quite there; we jumped from cloning mammoths - big reveal! Theyre not cloneable! Without going into what the obstacles were. We got back to it, but not because of the hosting but on panelist insistence. Then went to mammoth park without much intro, threw in some bioweaponry. It was all over the place. You have these people so they can go in depth.
If you subdivided the conversation you could have the law guy go into the bioweaponry, for instance, have gene guy go into the possibilites, perhaps without discussing the ethics (paints him badly) and guaranteed the rest of the panelists have something to say, which is how you start a conversation. Understand as much about the people as possible so you know when to tap them. I was just wishing this was a little more organized/ in depth.
1:08:50 why sociopolitics and philosophy are not irrelevant in scientific conversations.
and 1:21:22
A great discussion. I 100% agree with Ross concerning the need to preserve 30% of all land as wilderness, stop eating meat, and arop having more than 1 child. Drastic population reduction is the fastest way to eliminate nearly every global problem. Fewer people means more resources available per person.
The lawyer on the left was in a Naked Gun movie as Jane's husband, he was in a wheelchair.
I hope a non-American perspective is welcome here. Eventhough the primary audience for the debates are Americans, the rest of the world is watching too. The depth of the discussion seems hindered by the style of moderation which seems to ensure that things don't get "too serious". It often feels uncomfortable in its own intelligence, as if worried that listeners will fall asleep if a joke isn't cracked every 3rd sentence. I wonder if this style is what is believed to suit an American audience.
Tyson is popular in the United States. Admittedly, his style wears this, but he does attract a lot of viewers.
it's here again
*We create an indiviual.* Now replace *ANIMAL* with *A.I*. This should be an interesting talk.
wish the host would shut up and quit interrupting and cutting people off
Beth is really intelligent.
Yes!!!
Update: virus takes over and humans quibble. Some great ideas such as efficient food production etc. It seems impossible to get humans to focus on what's beneficial. We are indeed short sighted. It seems without benevolent leadership that's willing to place human wellbeing over short term wealth concentration we are screwed. As long as we as individuals can find someone else to blame for our woes we just continue to finger point, cancel one another out and remain unable to take up clearly the science based progress that could serve us all. I pray and hope the world wide pandemic should unite us to solve the tough problems we have seen coming ignored because of short term self interest. Let's embrace the oppurtunities to reset.
Neil deGrasse Tyson never gets old.
Neil Tysen: 2011 event, 15% of airtime. Neil Tysen 2017 event: 52% of airtime.
He's got worse.
Neil, we'd like to hear the people invited, not your stand-up comedy show
Can you please stop interrupting moderately intelligent people?
Larry Kraus has stopped coming on Tysen because he eats up all the air and actually Larry is more interesting
It's points to the very nature of why we can't see our way clear thru the Corona pandemic. Everyone has an opinion and wants top be heard. We need to show some humility, care for others and support the experts to take actions.
There is a perfectly simple way to prevent accidental/malicious bio exposure, do the experiments in space or another planet. Then the only thing to worry about is deliberate infection by an enemy.
Lmao