2014 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate: Selling Space
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Space exploration is entering a new era. Dozens of aerospace companies have emerged in recent years, all with the goal of commercializing space as never before. From serving NASA's cargo needs to sending tourists on space vacations to mining asteroids for profit, this next generation of entrepreneurs, and not NASA, may be the ones who transform space into our backyard, possibly creating the first-ever trillionaires.
Host and moderator Neil deGrasse Tyson, who is the Frederick P. Rose Director of the Hayden Planetarium, lead the 2014 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate, Selling Space, with a panel of entrepreneurs and space historians on March .
#AsimovDebate #space #commercialization #spaceexploration #sellingspace
Panelists Include:
Wanda M. Austin, President and CEO of The Aerospace Corporation. Austin served on President Obama's Review of Human Spaceflight Plans Committee in 2009, and in 2010 she was appointed to the Defense Science Board.
Michael Gold, Director of DC Operations and Business Growth, Bigelow Aerospace. Gold is also chairman of Commercial Space Transportation Advisory Committee, Federal Aviation Administration.
John Logsdon, Professor Emeritus, Space Policy & International Affairs, George Washington University. Logsdon in a space policy analyst and historian.
Elliot Pulham, Chief Executive Officer, Space Foundation. The Space Foundation advocates for commercial, military, and government space interests.
Tom Shelley, President, Space Adventures, Ltd. Space Adventures provides opportunities for private spaceflight and space tourism.
Robert Walker, Executive Chairman, Wexler & Walker Public Policy Associates. Walker served as chairman of the House Committee on Science and Technology from 1977 to 1997.
The late Dr. Isaac Asimov, one of the most prolific and influential authors of our time, was a dear friend and supporter of the American Museum of Natural History. In his memory, the Hayden Planetarium is honored to host the annual Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate-generously endowed by relatives, friends, and admirers of Isaac Asimov and his work-bringing the finest minds in the world to the Museum each year to debate pressing questions on the frontier of scientific discovery. Proceeds from ticket sales of the Isaac Asimov Memorial Debates benefit the scientific and educational programs of the Hayden Planetarium.
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For those who missed the Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson, watch the full recording online:
I LOVE these debates. I look forward to them every March.
It's one of my favorite things like waiting for new episodes of a show.
If only there were 2 or even 3 per year.
...or 5 or 6....
As a non scientist, I appreciate Dr. Tyson's clarifications. As an educator, he wants to include everyone. So I guess I am not so annoyed at the "interruptions." At any rate, everyone interjects.
Can I just stop you, you're wrong, not everybody interjects... (that was a joke, I just interjected, not witty, I know, sorry, I tried.)
Exactly what I explained to a gentleman in comments section of one of the other debates. His interruptions annoy me, but I understand they are helpful for other people who are coming from non-scientific background. He makes sure that the points are underlined . If ever there comes a time again when public has a say in deciding whether US should build a LHC in Texas, these interruptions will help. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider)
Did you hear about the entrepreneur who wants to be the first businessman to set up a restaurant on the Moon?
It's supposed to have great food...but no atmosphere!
one of those videos what you click like before it starts.
This was basically 2 hours worth of practiced sales pitches with NDT asking a bunch of softball questions. Thanks for the effort but maybe loading down your panel with 5:1 ratio of CEOs to government employees introduced just a teensy bit of bias.
I'm ashamed to even ponder the thought of someone owning space like this is our universe! It's sickening!
annnd the naysayer shows up.
government run space programs like the mission to mars takes me, the voter, on a journey, whereas some business entity seems to claim ownership over the whole venture. i dont know, maybe im just a romantic in this regard, but i'd really like to get the governments of earth come together for a noble goal of exploration. profit motive just seems cheap to me when it comes to science and research.
Who said this was about science and research? This is about exploration and settlement. Throughout the history of mankind all significant expansion and exploration has been because of four major justifications: money, god, war, or personal glory.
Science came along for the ride sometimes, but it is never the primary justification. Even National Geographic takes a commercial airline to their destinations.
NASA's job isn't to go to Mars. NASA's job is to make it so the National Geographic Society and Girls Gone Wild can BOTH go to Mars.
I think that project like mission to Mars and other planets will still be run by goverments. But it doesn't mean that we shouldn't offset as much work as possible to private companies. There's no reason for goverment to do every part of the process of preparing the mission in specialized, goverment funded facilities when most required parts and services can be bought. Even when goverments funded exploration missions on Earth, people who were going on them were delivered to the start of the mission by commercial services like ships or planes and were using mostly equipement made by commercial companies.
DrStorm81
yyeaah, a new debate.Thanks for providing us a friday night plan. :D
Didn't like this one, it didn't seem to be much of a debate to me, just a bunch of big corporate guys giving each other shoulder rubs. I mean seriously complaining that they can't sell property on the moon? That's just ridiculous. In addition it wasn't very scientific either, the other debates have always opened served to broaden my appreciation of the world and different perspectives of it but this? Not at all.,
+Mattias Åkesson The title is "selling space"
So you're disappointed that they're talking about selling space?
+Mattias Åkesson They didnt even shake Neil deGrasse tyson hand when they came out
Yay! Its finally here! Couldn't catch it live, but it is surely worth the wait!
Of the Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate Series this is amongst the best of the best. THANK YOU!
"When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks."
- Fight Club
Government should regulate space, but not limit innovation.
William Faulkner space isn't theirs to claim dumbass. It's for everyone.
i just love the q&a from massimino's question forward, very smart question and make the guys upthere quite unconfortable, love every single debate. i wish it would be more of this kind of videos.
I'm astonished at the preoccupation with cost ...
52 million dollars is not that much ...
Consider the cost of a commercial during the SuperBowl , 4 million for 30 seconds !
that means that 7 minutes of commercials will pay for 1 seat !
The money is not important but the incentive !
The national lottery reaches 400 million dollars , couldn't we simply raffle a ticket ?
I prefer the previous years talks, they were much more intellectual and interesing. This feels like more of a marketing debate.
It's interesting to see people talk about corporations using space for profit being a horrible thing. In the end, whether you're a corporate owner or a waiter, in the end, it is based on one simple principle: I have this thing of value, and I will trade it for your thing of value. The "thing" can be time, ideas, energy, materials, and anything else that has value in the eyes of the parties involved. Without this fundamental transaction, most of society would simply stop functioning. It's not particularly surprising that it is being used in our continued exploration and settling of our environment.
No reason to explain that over the internet, everyone who bashes corporations are obviously oblivious to just pure human nature.
That's the exact reason that I explain it over the internet. At worst, people ignore the idea or scoff at it. At best, I've changed somebody's perception of reality. If even one person's view is enhanced, it's worth the few minutes that I put into typing my post.
I think most are arguing from an overly idealistic perspective but it's not because they don't understand how the world actually works today, just that they think it shouldn't and doesn't have to, in theory. People are going to be in business and work to make money though, it's just a simple fact of life. Capitalism works and we shouldn't shy away from it, like you say in your original comment, that without this fundamental transaction most of society would simply stop functioning. People sometimes wonder why money exists. This is partially why. It helps society function.
Not to invite Elan Musk to the discussion and instead inviting woman from the Aerospace Corporation who did not contribute anything other than some platitudes about risk is unthinkable......
I assume they invited him and he couldn't make it. He is probably one of the busiest people on the planet.
Fair point. Her company is a non-entity right now for all intents and purposes.
Anna Warner Do you know who she is bitch? Elon Musk lives in a world of fantasy, He could never contribute to space exploration as world governments do and if you think otherwise you are an idiot.
***** Funny because work for them, in Hawthorne due to my 24 years of experience as an avionics technician from my time in the military and working contracts for military aircraft modernization and avionics package upgrades. He has done nothing that NASA hasn't already done. You think he would do this if there was no money flow back in? Mr. Musk is not going to invest in real space exploration unless there was profit behind it, and there isn't. Its just common sense buddy.
John Doe Err, do you mean to say you work for SpaceX? Aerospace isn't based in Hawthorne, but just next door in El Segundo. True that Musk isn't an engineer & to an outside observer SpaceX is only now starting have a realistic path beyond LEO. But few other private ventures have done as well. And fwiw Aerospace is doing review work on Falcon 9 & SpaceX's president is a former Aerospace employee. Things aren't as zero-sum as commenters believe.
I love these debates
great debate. thanks
Really, AMNH? We just found the Higgs particle and real estate is what you decided was a good topic to discuss?
Ginger Barnes was hired to just close down USA after completing the space shuttle program, I worked there. So mentioning her as an example of a woman leading a space company is kind of misleading, the company shut down. Also, in my opinion, the 30 year long shuttle program was long overdue for replacement, the mistake was not having another vehicle ready when the program ends, not that it ended.
People complaining about corporate X and Y haven't watched the damn video. NASA and other agencies aren't going away anytime soon but for the time being public-private partnerships are the best way of offsetting both politicking and barriers to entry for leaving low earth orbit.
Jack Horkheimer reference at the end!
What about spinl sunch ? to minimize the environmental cost of launching x amount of weight into space
I'm looking forward to the Isaac Asimov Debate every year. It's a real highlight of the year for me.
Thanks for hosting them and I am already looking forward to the next ones.
Min.46: now we're talking about the elephant in the room: SpaceX.
I enjoy these a lot!. I appreciate that Dr. Tyson is really aware of when he needs to clarify some of the specialized information that not everybody would know. He also makes the panelists opinions and differences more apparent. Overall, I find these discussions very accessible and informative.
Great talk. I really enjoyed it :)
I watched this live. I enjoyed it, and I watched it all the way through. Although, I didn't really like most of the debaters or a lot of what they had to say. I feel like there is a lot to be said for going to space and commercializing it, so some of the fanciful remarks really weren't necessary. I also wish it was a more diverse group. Still, it was interesting and worth watching.
I disagree in the idea of selling the moon or other planets. I am not against living on the moon or other planets. I think that can be managed by the governments of all the nations in an international cooperation,and some enterprises and companies can make money with something,with an international legislation and agreements,but I don't want a totally private property on space.
I am ok,with companies monetizing on it,but space is for humanity. If companies put resources into it,go ahead. What I don't want is other people to start taking advantage of their property on some planet, And not let anyone in while it was declared to be for humanity. If they do a hotel,sure the company put resources,monetize of it, but the property ain't yours. Is for anyone.
OK! NT is a good guide for this sort of program but it would be wonderful if he did not cut people off as he so often does to get in his "humorous" quip and just let the person complete her/his thought. I so well remember being in the audience when Buzz Aldrin was the AMNH speaker and NT cut off the adults who wanted to ask questions so the some child could have the microphone. Ah!
Ok my friend
Hell yes. Been waiting all stinking year for this!! What happened to Lawrence Krauss?
The reality is no matter how much the cost can be lowered the monopoly in power will ensure that the average person will _never_ get to space. Not in our life time. Not even as workers. Maybe in a couple of hundred years to half a millennium.
EXCITED!
Good day gentlemen
1:11:00 I wonder how long it will be before Space-X taking passengers to the ISS?
Hey 2020 just answered your question.
@@ganghin thats awesome
voice from the future.
Comparing walking across the street to falling out of the sky at 40000 feet is ridiculous. I sure hope we continue to freak out when airplane accidents occur, putting your trust in the hands of a pilot flying for a for profit airline is way different than driving your own car, etc.
Shout out to all my fellow Montanans!
so basically they are creating a monopoly on space trips at millions instead of an average of 200k... thats a huge gap.
why do they not talk about space elevators
I hope the 2019 debate is about space war
Was there a debate in 2019?
@@segura2112 idk
was it? i appear to be still here and musk is up to, how many launches - and returns? are you lot christian or something cos usually they are the doom and gloom mob, what a miserable life it must be predicting disasters that never happen.
1:49:00 Trump wants us to go back to the Moon, but in his budget I didn't hear anything about an increase in NASA"s budget.
Anyone else notice how people just didn't want to shake Tyson's hand?
thanks for sharing American Museum of Natural History
can you truly grasp the concept of infinity
Nova Atomn That has nothing to do with this video.
I don't care! Answer the question!
I'm more concerned that if you can't nationalize space, what happens to laws? Who says murder is illegal and what court will they be held in? Plus how will you catch them? Will space organizations make there own rules? Will they have their own gov and police force? Will they even be apart of the countries of origin at that point? These are the questions I have.
Corporate culture leads to self regulation of public personas to protect the brand name. As they stated throughout this, if they have a bad day, they lose money. So, they want to be sure everything is safe and laws are followed. They'll probably follow the rules of the country their corporation is incorporated in, kind of like how they manage taxes.
This is almost as interesting as attending an insurance sales convention. When you devote your life to self interested greed, you don't develop intellectually. I don't understand what motivated the choice of these panelists.
big bang theory profe from the qur'aan
( أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاء كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ )
(Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? )
21:30
I was, for some weird reason, hoping to see Lawrence Krauss AGAIN! Really missed the man haha.
Ok, for anyone who hasn't been there: The Ding Dong Lounge is a nasty, nasty place where you will wake the next morning with NOTHING but regret and sadness.
I know it's an old video, just a heads up for potential visitors.
Awesome!!!!
why did the Big three(the astronauts) have a problem with Elon Musk!?? What did he do to gain their mistrust!
To me it came across as if they were suspicious of his endeavours because they are reckless. Perhaps they see him as the young kid on the block with ideas bigger than life... obviously they would feel discomfort at this
thanks for the reply. I was completely ignorant of the conflict and heard about it one day while watching a special interview with Elon where the interviewer asked him about the "mistrust" of some of the original astronauts. I felt bad for him after i saw the way he answered the question. To be honest, I'm glad it is him doing this and not some other guy. I Like Elon.
48:16
I've pretty much never opposed the U.S.A. on a single thing... but if you guys think you can claim ownership of the moon such that you can sell property rights you can cross off one supporter and chalk up one passionate enemy.
L1ttleT3d As an American, if we tried that I would contest it with every bit of my soul. I think eventually we need to act as a planet, and not a planet made of competing nations. Oh and FYI, I am not liberal. long live earth!
John Doe I'm a liberal (just like 90% of the English speaking world outside America). Why would being a liberal have any bearing on this subject?
***** Well let's tease this out. Define a liberal for me.
(I'll let you define as you wish but I'd like to make one point before you do. Socialism and Liberalism aren't the same thing)
Go.
***** So you disagree with me but can't even define the word?
Fucking moron.
L1ttleT3d 90 percent is a gross exaggeration but I mentioned it because of a one world government type reality I know many Liberals favor.
great conversation, and my heart fell when Robert Walker answered the question about the payoffs for space research when he said "...but in fact if you can create products that maybe help solve the world's hunger problem that might be an investment worth making{...}" ( Which got assent from the panel). The solution to the world's hunger problem is not better rice. Sure, it may increase yields in currently hostile environments - but how will that reduce hunger when the main factor causing hunger today is the lack of money - or to be more precise, the lack of the opportunity to earn money. We've had water - perhaps one day we'll have an Asimov conversation about global hunger?
no audio on chrome.. why?
works for me. Sorry I have no suggestions.
The fact that this dude, Tommy boy Shelley, at a time that even he can be reminded by Niel about pollution, respinds "sure" to confirm his stupid profit-only oriented statement of "we need to pollute...!" is why we are here now fighting global warming and its ramifications!!! A trumpian style of all the wrong things under nice facade.
Yay :)
As an American, this shit disappoints me so much to be part of this country.. It's so corrupt and just plain ignorant in itself. tiss a shame indeed.
Bro come and check out my channel, look for my physics playlist. You too can master the cosmos more than any scientist.
Medigel xx
"Who's bar are we in?" @ 1:17:14 Best line of the evening
"I know one day that I can save up enough to go!" *Doesn't mention it's 50million dollars*
This years topic is just meh. I prefer the more theoretical debates from years previous.
This talk about safety is massively overblown, you're willing to lose thousands to fight wars in the middle east, but not willing to risk a few lives in going to mars etc?
Watching this today, April 2024, it’s amazing how dated this video is!
Am I the only one that finds this to be terrifying? Elysium anyone? Do you honestly think they plan to let everyone do this? This is such propaganda it stinks of nwo to no end.
❤❤😢😢
Concerning Elon and russia, Elon went to the russians first to buy rockets, they were rude and mocked him so he decided to build his own.
The Good Doktor had little use for altruisticmumbo-jumboas he believed unproductive systems tend to regress into slave systems- and he knew the truth of then Right Stuff aphorism:"No Bucks."""No Buck Rodgers."
Medigel hadht o
Michael Gold is easily interchangeable with the CEO of GM selling a car with a killer ignition switch.
Talking about using zero-g experiments to triple the amount of rice grown in the world and first thoughts turn to investor potential, rather than solving hunger poverty problems. *sigh* this is why I hate pure capitalism.
this was a piss poor debate ,
had one's before not been superlative , i would not have looked into this one.
for shame people ,
9:36 He's serious with that patchy beard? cmon
Sometimes I think Neil is actually drunk during these debates. Like they are in a bar.
how so?
ridiculous
Science advocates, please tell me what are the benefits for the common man after giving their hard earn money to these projects. Dad and mom work the butts off for themselves and their children WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS ??
Neil Tyson ruined this debate with his interruptions, can't help but feel his increased media exposure has fuelled his ego enough. He's a physicist not an engineer.
and this folks,,,is why the human race is doomed!
Who keeps sighing into the mic, if you're bored get off the pannel.
He should have been in jail for the nasty allegations he faced. That's the story of materialism.
Please don't come and watch me doing physics on my channel. It is the first playlist on my page. It contains equations that will shape humanity into the future.
The Libertarian masturbation in this is painful.
"It's profitable because I'll lose my job if it's not profitable!"
So aliens are going to meet the rich people of the world first. Not a really good example of the humans :)
Why did race get brought in to this?
started to puke at about 1 hour 28mins. jesus...
58:00 not funny and not true. Nobody invaded Ukraine - first of all - there was and still is a Russian military base there (in Crimea) with 20 000 troops all back from the time after the Soviet Union collapsed and second fact - there was a referendum made by local people (by the way not russians but ukrainian citizens) with compliance to the international laws and United Nations accepted this action as legally correct (something that the US hates since the US is accepting only its laws). So stop that fake conclusions and get your facts right. You sound like a CNN anchor