Why It Would Be Preferable To Colonize Titan Instead Of Mars
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- Why It Would Be Preferable To Colonize Titan Instead Of Mars
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In approximately 1 billion years from now, the Earth will become too hot to sustain oceans on its surface, and all life here will be gone. That's why we're already searching for a new home.
The explorer within us made it possible to conquer the most inhospitable corners of our planet. We navigated through the dense undergrowth, creating paths where none existed before, discovering new biological species, and establishing a safe habitat in the middle of jungle wilderness.
In the early 20th century, adventurers, equipped only with rudimentary gear explored the realm of eternal ice and silence - Antarctica. Survival in this frozen wasteland took superhuman creativity and adaptation.
Today, our ambitions extend far beyond the most secluded parts of Earth. As we look into the night sky, we wonder - is there another place like home for us?
For a long time, we've considered Mars as the next stop in humanity's cosmic history. That turned out to be nothing but a fantasy... a long-shot projection impossible to achieve... and it looked as if there would be no place else for us, until one day we discovered Titan - an enigmatic celestial object so similar to Earth, it revived our hope in search for a second home.
What does it take to build a colony millions of miles away from Earth? Why is colonizing Mars a bad idea? And is our technological progress sufficient to send human colonists on a one-way trip to Titan?
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1 billion years, so right around the corner then, I'd better start packing
don't forget yer water bottle and sand compactor!
lol
We ain't got no billion years! The aliens gonna git us next Thursday at about 3pm! 🛸🔫👽
Don’t bother packing. You’re too poor to pay for the trip…and you’re not important enough either.
Just imagine they miscalculated 200 million years
"Geologists, along with scientists." That's hilarious.
I'm wondering if it was written by AI, because it got some physics and chemistry wrong and made some strange claims LOL!
Sheldon's moment
@@Taricus That could be very possible. A.I. is known for its strong words and after Perseverance his successful landing and Ingenuities first ever flight on an other planet it's rather strange to call Mars a "Nothing but a fantasy, impossible to achieve".
I think we're witnessing A.I. generated spam content indistinguishable from authentic content.
@@Melvin420x12 This kind of AI is a mirror image of the writings of Humanity. It looks creative but is wholly derivative; unless directed by a human..
Ahh yes tonight for dinner I’ll be having pork with ham.
We're not colonizing either one of those places until we've colonized our own moon, made tons of mistakes, and then learned from them in order to apply that knowledge toward colonizing far away worlds.
This cannot be stated enough, anyone planing on taking us anywhere other than our moon first, aint right in the head. looking at you space X
@@choppe5671I still find it worse than odd that we "lost" the tech to get to the moon. I'm not saying we never went but I'm thinking it was really convienant to win against Russia just in the nick of time.
Step 1: Land on moon
Step 2: Build military base
Step 3: Moon War 1
Step 4: World War 3
Step 5: Moon War 2
@@Immigrationsituation We didn't lose the tech, we lost the necessary budget, and the old school engineers that built Saturn 5. The Saturn 5 was built by people that did their work with analog tools with by hand engineering tools and procedures. The current generation work with computer cad programs and CNC equipment. They would have to relearn and redesign such a rocket from almost scratch. Additionally, we didn't make it to the moon just in time to beat Russia. Russia's N1 rocket system was a failure from the start. It was way too complex for their technology at that time. If they could have called out our moon program as a hoax, they absolutely would have.
@@rangerhawk ironic really they had brilliant engineer which died in a heart operation they reckon had he survived a very real chance the n1 might have stood some chance.
Mars is practice. Titan is just too far out right now.
wrong, we just need to build a moon base so we can use it to assemble big spacecraft and then we can easily travel to Jupiter's moons
Mars is a grift.
@@DWilliams-sf5th right? errybody know Venus is the spot
One slave mine at a time.
Mars doesn't have a magnetic field which is pretty much needed for atmosphere
First, we probe Uranus.
Getting to the bottom of where the aliens are from.
I think there might be some resistance to this idea.
First we probe the ring then explore the inner atmosphere
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You guys are gross.
I love it.
if we can get a colony on Mars, then Titan will be easier.
Mars will definitely be an outpost.
@@jackcarterog001he will die 100 percent not this mf cuss the only planet I rather die on is either Enceladus or titan 1billion percent I rather die 😏
@@jackcarterog001 perfect jump gate point to the rest of the system
If we can colonize any other celestial body. We could fix the shit hole we created here. We definitely need to colonize another shit hole and make it even more of a shithole
Not happening
I noticed in most colonization videos they rarely talk about the problems of low gravity and what this does on the body long term.
Ganymede out of all the moons has a magnetosphere, but the main issue with it his the radiation from Jupiter.
Ganymede is outside of Jupiter's radiation belt, so Ganymede is the best candidate to colonize in the near future
@@deshaughnmolette9205 I believe callisto is technically furthest out
@@deshaughnmolette9205 That's Callisto.
Has ANYONE here considered the intense and VERY deadly radiation belts of our two largest planets? Good freaking luck trying to set up colonies on the moons of these Gas Giants.
Oh we just handwave all that away with our magic imagination. :)
I always taught that those regions would be radiatet on the same degree as the rest of space maybe even a little bit less because the magnet field could protect it?
@@einfachlumir7633 No, even Earth's radiation belts can be deadly over prolonged periods. VERY long periods of time. The Van Allen Belts are dangerous and you wouldn't want to hang around for any great length of time unprotected but they are not insta-death. The radiation belts of Jupiter and Saturn, however, are way WAY stronger. Jupiter's magnetic field strips Io of a lot of it's volcanic emissions and funnels this material to it's poles, creating quite powerful aurora. Anything the Earth can do, Jupiter and Saturn can do on a far grander scale.
@@einfachlumir7633 It's the magnetic fields that create these dangerous radiation belts. They trap material from the solar winds as well as charged particles from incoming cosmic radiation. Earth's Van Allen belts are dangerous but not immediately lethal. The radiation belts of Jupiter and Saturn are on a whole other level though. I would not want to be in the vicinity of those planets for long without some serious shielding to protect me.
Apparently Titan is far enough out from Saturn to be relatively safe from its radiation. It's just inside Saturn's magnetic field though so it's protected from cosmic and solar radiation. All this is hardly relevant in the next century or two because Titan is too far away and too cold.
Mars is hostile but it has solid rocky ground whereas the surface of Titan is ice. The temperatures in the tropics of Mars are almost Earthlike: up to 25°C in the day time in summer and Antarctic temperatures at night. There are good supplies of frozen water and minerals and the gravity is much more Earthlike at 38% than Titan's definitely unhealthy 14%. The superficial similarity of Titan to Earth with a dense nitrogen atmosphere and hydrocarbon rain doesn’t overcome the distance, the cold, the absence of a rocky surface and the very low gravity. Besides - _hydrocarbon_ rain? Mars is a truly unpleasant place for human life but artificial habitats can be made comfortable using some local resources. Titan's surface being nothing but water ice, even habitat materials would have to come from Earth or from some other rocky world. Even Ceres would be a bit better than Titan.
Edit: Thought about this later. I suppose you could build the outer structure of your Titan habitat out of ice. Igloos work. Given the right equipment hydrocarbons from the local lake could be used to make plastic. But that's the limit of your local resources.
The pressure and radiation are the biggest killers for mars, otherwise it wouldn't be too bad. I can't see us every colonising Mars, but I could see a research base there at some point.
I'm curious as to where do you think all those asteroids that crashed into Titan went. Surely there's still rocks left on the surface, just enough for building a few structures.
@@tallaganda83 Once you have a radiation and cold-shielded research base supplied with Martian water, thorium reactor energy, separated oxygen and nitrogen to simulate Earth's atmosphere, and underground food farms, you have the rudiments of a Mars colony. What would stop it from expanding?
Before conquering mars, you have the ability to terraform our desert first on earth. Because it is way more easy to do it on earth than on mars
@@gunadihudaya6041 Saudis, Egyptians and Australians are working on that. China too. Here in Australia if you look southwest of Darwin on a map you may see Lake Argyle. This lake was made by placing a dam on the Ord River which is often dry but floods when there is major tropical rain. When it floods it fills the lake which is used to irrigate farms in a former desert area.
I'd rather go to Titan, just being able to see Saturn like that every time I go outside would be amazing.
Its so far away from the sun that the light arriving to Saturn would mabe not be enough to be visible from Titans surface because of its thick atmosphere. Its also so far away from the sun that the brightest it will ever get on Titan is comparatively morning or evening hours on Earth. Its tidally locked in a 16 dayish period which means you have 8 days of that incredibly low light, and then 8 days of complete darkness.
Mars has none of those things, the days lenght and brightness are very compareable with Earth.
@@YouCountSheep Well he says at 15:40 that we could build an artificial sun, which is funny because I've watched so many of these videos I was wondering if that was possible.
If we can build a sun-like device for areas like this then there's no reason not to work towards colonizing the Kiper Belt and Oort Cloud. We would just keep building them as we get further and further out into interstellar space.
@@barrywhite8747Videos like this are mostly AI generated script with random pictures. "Build a sun" is as ridiculous as you drinking every ocean on the planet as a morning refreshment. Its absolutely ridiculous.
No the most likely scenario will be millions of autonomous AI controlled craft roaming the asteroid belts to scan and probe valueable rocks which then get transported over years if not decades to specific orbits where it gets crushed and turned into refined metal.
While I do like the Expanse as a show, most outer planets are extremely dangerous, the magnetic fields of the gas giants out there are somewhat irregular and create funnels similar to our polar lights, but all over acting like lenses for radiation hitting places at random. But the biggest hurdle really is the lack of gravity on anything out there. Our body needs gravity to work or it will not know how to adapt as fast. Prolonged exposure will turn any bodybuilder into a frail shadow as if he/she was a 90yo in a wheelchair.
@@barrywhite8747it’s pseudoscience because science has now turned into religion for a lot of people.
@@NPCSpotter Can you explain, I just want to be sure of your meaning before I respond? I've had misunderstandings with others on here before so now I just check to make sure I know clearly what people are saying before I respond.
I loved KSR's Mars trilogy novels. One thing he did was to send robots to Triton (moon of Neptune) that cut huge blocks of frozen nitrogen and very accurately launched them toward Mars such that they would enter a decaying orbit, sublime and release their mass as nitrogen gas, thus building up the atmosphere. Fascinating!
A major problem with attempting to thicken the Martian atmosphere is the planet's lack of a magnetic field. The solar wind would eventually blow away the atmosphere. We would first need to figure out how to jumpstart Mars's magnetic field again.
@@Sembazuru True. It's a fools errand.
@@Sembazuru Hey if you can have a perpetual nitrogen block cannon / miner on another moon doing the supply I'm sure you can figure out an artificial magnetic field.
How is 50% denser atmosphere mean being like 50 feet under water? Shouldn't the feeling be more like 5 meters underwater?
@@DryRoastedNutz 33 ft is one atmosphere, plus 50% equals 49 and a half, so near enough 50ft.
@@pinballrobbie
No - you're erroneously adding an atmosphere to start with. Sea level AIR pressure is already the ONE atmosphere (the total weight of all the air directly straight up - all the way to space - being the literal definition of one "atmosphere") - so 50% more (of one atmosphere) would equal 15 feet UNDER the water's surface. 👍 THAT'S 1.5 atmospheres.
@@justinklenk No I'm not, because we start at one atmosphere, but because we are equalized we don't feel it. to feel the effects of one and a half atmospheres we have to go 49' under water.
@@pinballrobbie
No, bro! That would then be going an ADDITIONAL 1.5 atmospheres UNDER the water's surface (therefore UNDER that surface waterline, which is _ALREADY under_ 1 _entire_ atmosphere's worth of air weight).. to get to that 49' depth, where we reach 2.5 atmospheres' worth of TOTAL weight: 1 atmosphere of air weight + 1.5 additional atmospheres' worth of water weight. 👍
(So when diving, we'd call it "descending 1.5 atmospheres, from the surface to 49 feet," and we'd be correct to say that, because we're going down an ADDITIONAL 1.5 atmospheres from our starting point... BUT, if, when diving, we ever needed/cared to acknowledge our TOTAL # of atmospheres - from our 49-feet-below, ALL the way to space - we'd acknowledge that _that_ total gross atmospheric weight above us = 2.5.
All of what you said is true but considering how cold titan is i would sooner be a popsicle than a icecream sandwhich since it would take alot more to stay warm, and any heater failure would mean death, mars is cold too, but it the difference is like warm water and liquid nitrogen.
plus i dunno how i feel livin on a planet that smells like fart and piss, but then that is how most of space smells like :( damn methane and ammonia sulfides
@@Nefylymthat would be so torture
@@Nefylym To be fair, Mars probably smells a bit too, just more like a musty basement.
Extremely radioactive planet nearby too.
The big problem with Titan is, ironically, its thick atmosphere, due to its much stronger "heat sink" effect. A tenuous atmosphere at -150F freezes you out much slower than a thick atmosphere at the same temperature.
Maybe we just look at Europa from afar.
“ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS - EXCEPT EUROPA.”
- The Monolith
Attempt no landing there.
Plot twist: Dune turns out to be Earth 25,000 years from now. Mind. Blown.
But Dune (Arrakis) has two moons while Earth just has one. The larger of the two moons is so big and dense that it has its own magnetic field, which even Mars doesn’t have. So, what happened to our Moon and where did the moons of Arrakis come from?
@@bbartky The denser moon was a rogue planetoid that crashed into Luna and shattered her, leaving behind Muad'dib and Krelln. You should read your Zensunni Scrolls, powindah.
@@bbartkythe second moon is Mr. Shadow after he was defeated by a love blast from Leeloo, of course
Antarctica is orders of magnitude more hospitable than Mars. Mars is orders of magnitude easier to colonize than Titan.
Yes, but Titan is way cooler! (Sorry. I couldn't resist the pun.)
@@nicholashylton6857 LOL. Well yeah but so much of this is just kind of thinking is just (to use a pun) galaxy brained. So, colonizing a place billions of miles from Earth is *easier* than some place millions of miles from Earth? Get out. And yeah Titan has a lot of hydrocarbons -- and NO OXYGEN. The hydrocarbons aren't really the resource people think it is when you need energy to extract oxygen in the first place.
Yes. I think we have to really look after this planet then, if we want to go exploring the galaxy we should send benevolent machines and follow when the time is right..
Earth is easier to repair than anywhere.
@@Indygo9 Earth isn’t as broken as we are led to believe.. and I’m sure we will be able to tug her out to orbits that grow larger by just the right amount as the sun expands and then contracts..
i want more on other habitable moons
Inyalowda see da belt and tink it deres.
They're amazing
I’m saying. It’d be a dream to live on an Exomoon(satellite) of any large planet.
@@kva7922046 dem wellwalla dem, no seen scarcity mon, sa sa ke?
Τhere is nothing habitable except Earth in the solar system. Everything else is very hostile to extremely hostile. Visiting and exploring them might be feasible but terraforming and colonizing them seems mere science fiction to me. Alas. We got to find some way to cross interstellar distances and find trully habitable planets, if humanity is to survive when our planet sooner or later becomes too hot to live upon.
I figured out it would only take 200 Nitrogen Bombs to make H2O atmosphere on Saturn.
Well this won’t happen in my lifetime. Can you display the metric equivalent for those of us that don’t understand miles of Fahrenheit
Sounds like a great Idea. But, if it doesn't work, It'd be one heck of a site to see.
Saturn is a gas giant. Where do you want to build on?
Please stop figuring in public. It is not a good look.
@@YouCountSheep duh! Titan, the whole video is about exactly that smh
Best place for a colony on Mars is underground in a lava tube or under a domed crator. New plastics block much of the radiation and the water in the air beneath the dome is enough to zap the rest of it. The perchlorate is the biggest problem.
Gravity dictates our blood pressure, and insures all our organs, especially our hearts, are working properly, or working effectively against an outside force. Earths Gravity encompasses our entire biological existence, the size of the Earth is relative to the gravitational force on our bodies. So living on Mars or any moons (much smaller bodies with very little gravitational force) in our solar system would be a death sentence. Without Earths gravitational influence our internal organs would not fare well (they will eventually disintegrate). No idea why the 'living on Mars' thing never mentions this simple biological fact.
Correct. Time will tell though because nobody knows what the future holds for humanity. There is also Venus and the idea of a Cloud City but that’s too risky. In our Solar System all the “potential” planets or moons for future human colonization are bad, BUT they can definitely act as small outposts for scientists alone but never a future home for millions/billions of species! But of course I don’t know the future lol. Maybe Gen Alpha and some of Gen Z will witness new history with humanity and space travel🤷🏽.
our microbiome that is so interwoven with the ecosystem would be ailing outside of earth too
Very good point. I would imagine, in the near future scientists will create a gravity stabilizer that can be placed in living structures on Mars. But that doesn't solve the problem when inhabitants wish to venture out on the Martian surface or do assignments outside of the structures.
We have no long term data to tell us how detrimental gravity which is a fraction of Earth's would be. We only know how well astronauts in zero G on long term missions can maintain their health and vitality with exercise. No doubt it would be far easier to do the sort of load-bearing exercises needed on a planetary surface than it is right now to simulate them in zero G.
a billion years from now is a long time, by then we might be able to travel between stars at least (if the laws of physics allow) or to adapt to various gravitational forces.
I would love to see a video about the possibility of colonising Callisto, as it is the only Jovian moon, outside of Jupiter’s radiation
_Can_ we send colonists on a one-way trip to Titan? Yes. Yes, we can. Whether or not that would be a horribly bad idea is another question entirely.
Not if theirs human activity like fossil fuel to heat up the planet
the fact is, sending colonies out there is not because we will all move there someday. It's more like preserve the human species when the rest of us perish at the end of the World.
Depends on who we send.
@@paulborneo7535 Please send Biden, Trump, Netanyahu, Putin, and Kim jong un, asap.
Yes please for vids on those other moons! Oh yes❤
Venus is best imo, just need to build floating colonies. And it can be terraformed since it has everything required for life, same gravity as earth too. Just a hostile heavy atmosphere perfect for floating on.
very hot over there man
@@krzysztofkowalski2816 not in the upper atmosphere though. Hence the floating city.
@@possiblycurryddork floating cities in venus would be cool asf
floating anything sounds sketchy af
Imagine your boss throws you off then sleeps with your nice wife as you fall down into literally hell
One idea is to merge Phobos and Deimos together, to create bigger tidal forces on the core, partially restarting liquidity, hence the magnetosphere.
Phobos is doomed anyway, may as well make use of it. On that much we agree.
But I think Phobos can be used as a radiation-shield and Deimos is best converted into a stationary orbit with tethers.
Gonna take a while to get to type 2 civ to do that though, lol
A VERY interesting video. The more options we have for colonization, the more likely that one or more will be successful!
10:20 what went wrong there? Conversion error + you were not sure whether to count the earth atmosphere? or did you confuse 15 with 50
What about aerostatic habitats on the Venusian atmosphere? At a hight of 30-50 km from the surface, it's the most earth-like environment in the solar system, 95% gravity, dense atmospheric protection from micrimeorites and radiation, with a pressure that the human body can adapt to, goldilocks temperatures. One would need a corrosion resistant sealed suit and oxygen supply, little more than diving equipment to go out.
Excellent production quality-- narration, writing, music/sound & graphics alike-- as usual, Destiny. Thumbs up.
I appreciate that the audio, which has a nice flow, subtlety and appropriateness, doesn't overwhelm the narration (Melodysheep [You Tube] sometimes goes a little overboard/'whiz-bang' with the editing/scene pace and the [choir/vocal] music.), and that the graphics are relatively relevant to the subject-matter. (Subtlety, slow-pace and simplicity can be sublime sometimes.)
I might understand and appreciate the work going into finding and/or creating them as well. In this regard, presumably, you're already aware of possible help from AI, like maybe DALL-E or Stable Diffusion, maybe others and even already apply it/them?
I also appreciate the science/fact-based hypotheticals too and listen to John Michael Godier (also You Tube) for that reason as well, although his production is relatively spartan, despite his good narration and science-based, often thought-provoking, hypotheticals/imagination.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but Destiny seems to be trying to strike a balance WRT the aforementioned for examples, but also including WRT the shows' lengths and regularity; not too long or short and not too frequent or infrequent, respectively.
A long time ago, I did a student paper about my hypothetical Martian Terraforming idea, citing such people as Carl Sagan & Chris McKay, but at the end of it, admitted that there were many problems, including orbital resonance, if I recall the term. This means, if recalled correctly, that increasing the mass of any moon or planet, such as to increase its gravity and atmosphere retention, might run the risk of detrimentally changing the orbits of them and others as a result. If Earth is already 'toast' in the sun's nova scenario, some of that might not matter, but it still seems important enough to think about things along those lines.
One last thought, and perhaps an important one to consider WRT hypothetics, is the idea of surfing the sun's nova-- space-faring outward as the sun expands-- and how Mars and the moons of the outer planets will likely change and possibly be more accommodating to humans before we even begin to consider terraforming or otherwise colonizing them. Mars, for example, might start to warm up and even produce surface water again, even if relatively temporarily (ten thousand years?), while many currently-frozen, barren and/or airless moons of Jupiter and Saturn, including Titan or Ganymede, could become water worlds, begging to be colonized...
...That said, there are some ideas for any future shows, incidentally, namely how/when/where/etc. the sun's nova could slowly open up new worlds for humans to escape to.
You also forgot to mention the low gravity effect on your health. It destroys all your muscles and bones!
Protein shakes and G fuel should resolve it🤣
Can’t breathe the fart air or drink the gasoline methane liquid on Titan.
Titan has a breathable atmosphere shockingly, only one issue, you’ll eventually pass out due to lack of O2.
@@doctorligma1083 It is "breathable" in the sense that (if heated enough), none of its components are toxic at the proportions they are mixed naturally.
-> You are probably having more trouble carrying a heavy plutonium RTG on your backpack (possible only because of the lower gravity), slowly irradiating you from behind.
It would get really boring, really fast, to have to go back "to the car" (equipped with an even bigger, but shielded RTG) every few minutes to refill your "batteries" (probably cycling a small tank of liquid, glowing hot, molten salt) to avoid this issue.
@@doctorligma1083 breathable. . I would have to challenge your concept of what breathable means, I can "breath" in water but that will only drown me. . . I can "breathe " in Nitrogen but will eventually just turn hypoxic and die . . . no I don't think its breathable, besides, one attempt and you and your longs are now frozen.
it might be even better to colonise venus but not in the way people think.... first it would start with basically airships in the high upper atmosphere on the edge of space... all the while seeding the upper atmosphere with gmo bacteria and other organisims designed to change the atmosphere. This is at least in part a carl sagan concept
I like the idea of venus. Im told its 900f on the surface which means basically unlimited energy. C02 as the base atmosphere and the clouds are sulfuric acid and I assume those clouds have water. I wonder if we could make it work.
The problem with floating cities is that you need materials from somewhere else. I doubt you build a large population there. But please do send research blobs, I love to know if there is any microbes in the atmosphere.
Pretty much any colonization scheme requires vast amounts of space transport infrastructure. So it requires non-rocket type of lifting material from moons, like spin launch, mass drivers, and/or space elevators. If you can do that, you might as well build space habitats, so you can engineer the conditions that you want. My suggestion for a good location for a mine would be Enceladus. This has a rocky core approximately 25 km below the surface of water ice. Given the low gravity, the pressure at the surface of the rocky core would be about 25 atmospheres. You could build a lava tube up to the surface to form a tunnel to extract the rock. Install a mass driver in the tunnel, and launch rock and ice into orbit around Saturn. Winning.
I love your videos, thanks so much
Sea-dwelling Titanians: "Where the hell are all these microplastics in our methane lakes coming from?? And all these heavy metals? Somebody check what's going on at the surface..."
i have to imagine it would relatively easy to preserve earths climate for an extra billion or two years than to terraform a dead world from scratch, tho a billion years is so long it might not matter much
You've thought of a way to keep the sun from expanding beyond Earth's orbit as it's supposed to do in about a billion years?
@@McClarinJ fair point.
Great video, thanks. Keep them coming boys!
Let’s see if we can make the Earth more livable first.😊
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Well, the #1 rationale for establishing humans elsewhere is to better ensure the survival of our species in the cosmic shooting gallery. We could make Earth a paradise and have it undone in the blink of an eye by cosmic impact or it could take 1,000 years of continuous supervolcano eruption or a direct hit of an intense solar plasma stream. We don't know when such an extinction event might happen.
Go ahead and start making Earth more livable. Don't talk about it...just do it. It's up to you. You don't need my help because I think it is already livable.
@@TexanUSMC8089 Certainly more livable than a planet with an atmosphere continuously blown away by simple sunlight and covered with toxic waste like Mars or a moon like Titan. My point is that if we plan to have the technology capable of doing that, then a great proof of concept would be using it here in the Sahara Desert or Antartica where it won't take decades just to get all the equipment on site.
It's not that we don't like Earth, we need more space to expand. Interplanetary Civilization is the vision.
Looks like someone forgot the civilization tablet…
(Type 2 can control star systems: Gravity of everything, Energy, Orbits etc)
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Very nice video, please explore Jupiters moons too ❤
It all sounds great until you consider transit time. Mars is about 6 months ONE WAY. I would be staggered if we could get there in Starship in less than 2 YEARS with chemical rockets, and even if you find a way to get more delta-v (ion prop, gravity assist trajectory), you would still have to SLOW DOWN when you get there in order to drop into orbit.
You need fuel to accelerate and the SAME AMOUNT of fuel to slow down.
That would make for a HUGE spacecraft, needed to be built in Earth orbit (or potentially Lunar orbit..).
or..
The only other way to solve the fuel issue (for both accel and decel) would be to pre-position tanker variants along the planned trajectory, but that approach brings it's own issues: if the plan was to colonize, this would massively increase cost and timeline to viability, but more critically, if something went wrong with guidance (like a 0.000001 error in calculations. In interplanetary space, how DO you navigate with precision for rendezvous, there's no GPS in the Asteroid Belt..) and if the ship did not rendezvous with the tanker(s), all of the colonists would end up dying in space with no way to rescue them.
Other posts have noted the radiation challenges, which are totally valid, Jupiter is essentially a MASSIVE spinning ball of Hydrogen compressed so much that it enters it's metallic phase, giving it an INTENSE magnetic field that CERN would kill for, and making the Jupiter system a [30x Earth] planet-sized particle accelerator bigger than the LHC. However there are potential ways to mitigate that issue that don't break the laws of physics (maybe water jackets along with other shielding, or "bring your own magnetic field"), but there is NO way around Newton's 3rd Law along with conservation of momentum IRL [see above re: speed].
So sorry, for the foreseeable future it (regrettably) simply IS science fiction. :(
[Maybe in 200yrs we will have outposts in the Belt, then our options make more sense.]
Yes, please do more videos about colonizing the various planets and moons of our solar system.
Well, chop-chop! We only have about 1.3 billion years until Earth is inhabitable. We better get a move on! Put down that gravity bong and get to work!
With rapid rise in AI tech and development of Robot manual workers. We may be able to prepare specific locations on Titan to be liveable, wether underground or indoor city.
With rapid development of AI, everyone will lose their jobs, so no one can’t afford to travel the stars.
I love this video! Well done!!! More videos on Terraforming pleassse! Before the moments gone 😅. Perhaps we can bio engineer some bacteria algae or fungus to change the chemical composition of these places for us? That's how earth got an oxygen atmosphere
I’m just here for the prompts you used for your thumbnail. That is really good art!
So, the distance argument makes Mars easier to colonize humans… thats for sure. Robots that can create factories for Titan though. The nuclear argument has no say when it comes to hydrogen bombs. They use the word “dirty bombs” now when warheads cause radioactive fallout.
The problem with Titan is the radiation. Most people don't know this, but the two gas giants in our system, Jupiter and Saturn, are incredibly radioactive.
Mars is a good half way stop to titan when planets are aligned. It's a good fueling station
And its close to the asteroid belt if we are interested in minerals.
I think all things considered Titan would be every bit as hard to colonize ss Mars, if not harder.
The dense atmosphere on Titan, the main advantage Titsn has over Mars, would be really good at transferring heat...meaning freezing to death would be a much more significant threat on Titan than on Mars.
And you just can't easily burn methane for energy. You need energy to extract oxygen to burn with methane. Thats not free energy.
Scientists should search for a large cave or cavern system where humans can seal up and live for protection from solar radiation and meteors. they can place solar panels for energy and green houses for growing food outside. That way we do not have to transport building materials for dome homes.
gosh, if only the Anasazi were still around
Exactly, and dome homes would be almost impossible to protect from the immense cold.
I'm sure some day we'll occupy Titan. But Mars first. With all that methane it won't be hard to stay warm. Just don't ignite the entire planet.
We're lookin at YOU O'Doyle!
Even with the oceans gone, Earth would still be more habitable than Titan and Mars. (And closer.)
if humanity spent half as much money and time trying to colonize space as it did trying to come up with new ways to destroy itself we’d probably have had a human on Mars by now
By far the biggest advantage Titan has over Mars is that the atmospheric pressure on Titan is suitable for human life. Therefore buildings would not need to be pressurized like they would on Mars, and we wouldn't need space suits to walk on the surface of Titan.
All we would need is a source of heat (which we could easily generate due to the abundance of hydrocarbons on Titan) as well as oxygen.
The distance to Titan is an issue but there are nuclear fusion rockets in development that can travel 500,000 MPH. At that speed, we could reach Titan in under 1 year.
Hydrocarbons are abundant, but to use them as a heating source oxygen is also needed. Since it takes more energy to free a given amount of oxygen by melting water, than what that oxygen can generate when burned with hydrocarbons, you end up in a negative energy spiral.
there's a few issues with titan I'm learning from the comments
1: radiation. jupiter and Saturn both produce immense ionizing radiation, which is of course, quite dangerous.
2: gravity. your body may start to break down just like on the moon or mars (the former being largely agreed on to be the better base option) and that would need to be accounted for
3: and most important for here, heat sink effect. keeping a space ship cool is hard because there's nothing in space that can cool it off, and with titan, the opposite is true. it's hard to keep warm since there's so much frigid air pulling heat away.
and lastly, while planets with atmospheric oxygen (earth) would love titan's seas of LM gas, that wouldn't really help the inhabitants of titan, since extracting oxygen from water takes more anergy then burning it with liquid methane provides...
in short, yes we wouldn't need to raise the pressure inside the building, but the sheer increase in time and resources needed to make viable buildings will be it's own issue
Titans gravity is less than Mars. I think the only thing keeping it's thick atmosphere there is the biting cold. Once you start to warm it up you're screwed.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you need oxygen in order to generate heat by burning hydrocarbons and unless we bring enormous amounts of oxygen to Titan, the main energy source will probably be nuclear (or even wind?). Also the surface pressure on Titan is 1.45 atm and the atmosphere contains 2% methane which means habitats would have to be sealed as best as possible to prevent methane entrance, don't wanna risk any explosive environments. And with surface temps being -179 C, you would definitely need some kind of special suit.
@@ipadista Lol yeah. We just go straight back to nuclear, which gives no advantage over Mars. But we will never colonize Mars either.
..it’s laughable, anywhere away from Earth would just be unsustainable and way too hostile
Very heavy drugs were taken during the production of this video.
So we should just face our doom like the dinosaurs did? I mean Columbus did sail his ships off the edge of the Earth, right? Try imagining that there are bright people with ideas and technologies for overcoming the challenges of the moon and Mars for starters.
@@McClarinJ Im all for exploration and expansion, its in our blood, but the argument that it would be a solution to a dying earth is a deeply flawed one, just like those explorers you mentioned we should launch our bold endeavors from an established world not a dying one, any terra forming option would require us to 1st develop the technology that would eventually lead to the salvation of our home world as well. Titan and mars both pose a much bigger challenge than earth and someone even asked about Venus, if we can solve Venus we can solve earth.
@@McClarinJ In order not to repeat the fate of dinosaurs, we need to take care of global warming. The threat from the sun is too far away to think about.
The idea of dome is to create isolation to create good temperature environment, its not only because of atmospheric pressure, and it create as habitable zone for agriculture, or perhaps a place you can stay outside, without a space suit. If the temperature is -180c on Titan, you need place with right temperature as well. Correct lighting conditions.
Please make more about this topic
Imagine being born on Titan and being called a Titanion and learning the history of your great great great great great great and a billion more great ancestors who used to live On Earth 🌎 and how beautiful they were and how beautiful The Planet Earth 🌎 used to be. 🌊🍀🏞️🦋🏖️
We should have a permanent post on Earth's moon first, then Mars, then we can start venturing out to orbiting satellites on Venus, Jupiter, Jupiter's moons and terrestrial stations, and then Saturnian ventures.
Until all the large planets, moons, and planetoids are explored, and permanently manned, we won't even attempt to go interstellar.
agreed, and with all the HE3 in Luna's craters it would also be a viable commercial enterprise... (tee hee)
I think we will attempt to go interstellar long before we colonize all the large bodies in the Solar System bc by then our technology will be so advanced that there will be multiple competing orgs focusing on sending probes to exoplanets. Kinda like right now there are companies that only build rockets and there's other companies that focus on building rovers and spacecraft for exploration etc.
We have to hit mars before we hit titan
I'm sure they will try and establish a permanent base on Moon and then Mars, would be logical to get the training and science right.
They still have to establish a Lunar Base. They're not even ready for Mars lol
we have to hit the Moon before we hit Mars. And even before that, would be nice if we could actually colonize Antarctica.
There are plenty of bases in Antarctica@@cloudcity4194
@@cloudcity4194 Antarctica is colonized already, there are many research stations and at any time of the year there's at least 1000 people living in Antarctica. The reason no civilians move there is bc it requires a shitton of money to build any kind of habitation and the only people who can afford to do it prefer to live in places with nicer climates. Any billionaire could theoretically build a home and live there but what would be the point when there's much nicer places to live on Earth? Just to give you an idea, Greenland is an enormous 2 million square km island somewhat similar to Antarctica (but with milder climate) and it only has a population of 60,000.
Yes - for comparison sake, could you also do Europa, Ganymeade and Encalidus?
"ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS - EXCEPT EUROPA.
ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE."
i would also like to hear more about this ;D
I say we go all in on Europa. Who is with me?
I hear the Ice fishing is amazing.
Me! Me! Maybe I'll meet some European chicks.YEAH!
I'll bring the rum! Let me just... hey is that a monolith?
I agree with Elon. If humanity wants to continue. We need to become a multi planetary species.
Won't happen. We will create our successors. They will wind up being far superior as a species than we are
I see us mainly using Titan as a moon size gas station for future versions of Starships. On the way out to the outer system.
please make a video on the three remaining moons mentioned.
also, Ceres!
If you dig into mars, will the gravity and pressure increase the deeper you go?
No, and thats why its not a good idea to try and live there.
@@freeasabird4659It is actually a valley where the atmospheric pressure is almost enough for liquid water to exist
@@freeasabird4659 i think it's as diffecult in titan. Its farther. Who knows whats lurking in those sea of methane.
More air pressure less gravity
All things considered , i think i would still go with mars , yes there are some difficulties to overcome just like any other option , but with hard work almost any problem can be solved.
Another option would be to build a huge space station capable of having lots of workers and tradesmen to do the jobs like looking after things like food , life support, while others work towards salvaging materials from asteroids , moons to keep the space station working , and also stocking raw materials that could be used for building more space stations and even spacecraft.
All we need is the will and imagination, and the motivation to get off our asses .
I have believed there is life on Titan for years - I just hope I am alive when they confirm it.
Titan is far colder than Mars and has a methane/ammonia atmosphere!
How much mass would it take to make some sort of gravity pull, and why don’t we capture an asteroid, mine it, and make a huge space station around it?
Considering you have to get to Mars to get to the rest of the solar system of your objectively wrong.
It's not a problem that mars is inhabitable, the real problem is distance. Therefore Mars should be the only aim for us in short term, after we achive enough then we can try beyond Mars.
Moon should be the practice field first, then mars
Wait... they're warning about the radiation on Mars and then recommending Titan?
LOL Exactly. Science Fiction.
I keep reading about this potential problem for Titan, but cannot find a source on it. Titan is much farther away from the Sun than Mars and has a thick atmosphere to protect its surface from radiation. While there is also the radiation belt from Saturn, I can't find anything suggesting it would be a problem. Does anyone know if I am missing something?
mars being 53% the size of earth is problematic for bone density and proper muscle growth, but titan a moon that is 40% the size of earth is even more problematic. Mars does not provide as much protection from solar radiation as Titan, but the journey to titan itself is hellish. For reference a trip to mars is HARD, taking around 6 months to complete the journey, and that's on the the shortest route, which is only available every 2 years. 6 months on a rocket out in space increases you're chances of getting cancer by a lot. Going to titan is much, much, much worse. It's over three times the distance from us than mars is, and all of that additional time spent on a rocket will definitely give you cancer. So until hundreds of geniuses or something make more discoveries about space travel, mars is the best option we have. (edit: 5 times further away)
Funny, people also said reusable rockets were a horrible idea as well, saying nothing of rockets that could land themselves, said it was impossible. We obviously know how that worked out.
I think it would be easier to just fix our own planet, especially since it’s ALREADY HABITABLE!
Yea, but that's no fun....
We could fix Earth into paradise condition and then another 10 km space rock could undo it all in the blink of an eye. That's the #1 rationale for creating a sustainable human population off-world, ensuring the continuation of our species.
@@McClarinJ space rocks hit other planets too, bruh.
@@McClarinJ The chances of it happening naturally in our lifetimes are negligible. Space travel and asteroid mining increase those chances dramatically because asteroid redirection is a dual-use technology.
Titan, Mars, we even having trouble with moon
Paradox its similar technology needed for all places. Distance to titan is the biggest obstacle, however.
The fact that they are thinking like this is pretty cool.
In last 20 years the temperature on earth have raised with 0.06 Celsius and we are struggling and we can’t fix this issue yet !! Let’s fix earth before we go and fix elsewhere
Fixing the Earth if possible would require every human being in every country to corporation and we are just not at that stage yet. You and I both know there are countries out there that are way further along than others.
@@blahlbah8602 we could all benefit hugely from developing asteroid mining, there's so much ice, gold, and iron up there!
Don’t fix what ain’t broken!
The only thing that needs to be lowered is our hubris!
@@Questforenigma with 8 billion people around and that growth projection to 40 billion by 2100 i think we really need to get in gear and make bases on Luna, Mars, and Ceres
@@Nefylym Off-world colonies are not for relieving Eart's population pressure, they're for keeping some of our species alive in case of an extinction event so humanity doesn't go the way of the trilobites, the dinosaurs, and the Dodo.
Don't b3 so sure people have no idea just how God like A.I will be. Would not be surprised cancer cured in next 4/5 years
What is God??
@@Momzu.Dianaa A story we told ourselves because we are afraid
@@Nefylym and unknowing of science
Better chance of it attacking humanity and making robots like The Terminator just to mess with us while wiping us out than helping humans cure cancer
@@marsbase3729 and in denial of the existential threat posed by AI
Excellent narration, If we don't change our mindset we will fight wherever we go in the universe, so better lice on Earth without war and greediness
They haven’t gotten a man to the moon but want to make a base in Titan?
Building stuff out of plastics, okay it might seem logical at first glance. But if this is the way we go, we must not end up doing it the way we do it on Earth. There must be a better way or at least a better recycling schedule.
Here's the thing though, we lack the capabilities right now to do this. I understand your concern, but then again, we won't be colonizing Titan anytime soon. Hopefully by then we can figure out how to appropriately deal with plastics in an eco-friendly manner.
Plastics won't harm Titan, though. There's no nature.
@@Kolemjen Except we must not poison our self. or the food we bring.
Transporting and sustaining squishy humans in their current form on another planet would require outrageous resource usage, beyond meticulous planning, and an abhorrently tedious lifestyle for the settlers.
Our best move, whether we're talking about Mars or Titan or anywhere else, is to wait until we have very good autonomous robots with high level AGI, or to wait even further until we're able to do dramatic amounts of genetic manipulation.
you're not wrong, but i'm getting nervous about the fundamentalists here kaibashing any and all such plans because jeebuz
Abhorrently tedious lifestyle. Yeah, who wants to live inside a giant pressurized shopping mall/factory/university most of their life? Those very good autonomous robots will be here before you know it, certainly by the time of the first Starship voyages to Mars. The current end-to-end neural net training is a game-changer.
No titan is too far away and wayyyyy too cold
distance as well as the time need to be spent on travelling will be the biggest obstacle when it comes to the colonisation of other planets in the near future
Titan is the dumbest idea ever proposed.
That's because there are Nasty giants on Titan that'll eat you.
Why? Is Mars really better? Despite the claims of some of these comments, Titan receives less radiation than Callisto, which is the only Galilean moon that is habitable. The surface of Mars is bathed in solar radiation due to its thin atmosphere, lack of magnetosphere, and proximity to the Sun.
Titan is just as a horrible idea as Mars... take care of the planet you have now...
We could fix Earth up into a paradise only to have it destroyed by cosmic impact, a massive solar plasma stream, or a thousand-year supervolcano eruption. Human extinction at some point is assured unless humanity spreads out beyond Earth.
@@McClarinJ With mentality like this... no wonder we are in the hole we are today...
Yes, please produce videos on potential colonies on the other moons. Once you have covered the other moons we can also have a space station, refueling depot and internet moon transports. Also don’t forget a nuclear cruise ship to transport humans to Saturn and back, originally built on an earth moon shipyard.
Thanks destiny for sharing this information
Imagine colonizing/terraforming a planet only to rely on X for communication
😂🤣😂
Well, X via Mars Starlink.
So one air leak and the entire moon goes no ty
The interior would be pressurized at many atmospheres, so any "leak" just vents oxygen out into the 95% nitrogen atmosphere.
-> There would be no combustion outside, because oxygen levels would be too low (also the temperature is low, shutting down any small localized reaction from a random spark).
. Even if some liquid methane gets to enter in a crack & vaporizes into "natural gas", the cooling effect would turn humidity into snow & ice. Since ice is a poor conductor of heat (unlike liquid water & liquid methane), it will remain in place rather than melting back [creating a barrier that seals the crack], as it is pushed "out" by the over-pressurized internal hot atmosphere (but stopped by the cold outer atmosphere, unlike in space).
@@adolfodef ... i was gonna make a fart joke but i didn't want to disrespect the science you are laying down here, which is impeccable and ded on point!
I watch this genre of videos and I come to the conclusion engineering solutions to any of the obstacles mentioned that exist to colonizing Mars or any other body beyond Earth require us to have in place a considerable amount of infrastructure and supply chains in place across the solar system.
Simply setting up an outpost on our moon that's a similar scale to an antarctic research station would likely require a lot of launches to keep supplied.
With the exception of Issac Arthur, this problem tends to be glossed over in this type of video.
Titan we can't even get to Toxy in liverpool
I don't see the sense in needing to go to another planet to destroy it like we are doing to earth 🌎 😢. I think we should stick here and find ways to solve our problem, not create more elsewhere 😢😢
Destroying earth? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 This MFER gonna shrug us off like a bad cold at some point in the future.
With all due respect, this is science not idealism.
Problems found here are on Earth such as overcrowding, poverty, resource exhaustion, and war are endemic to Human existence. The only "solution", as it were, would be for mankind to simply not exist. Because such problems will always exist and cannot be solved. There will never be an end to hunger, or poverty, or death. Furthermore, there are reasons to colonize other planets that reach well beyond merely escaping our current problems. The Human spirit demands that we probe, explore, ask questions. There are also technological discoveries to be made, which such endeavors would prove a catalyst for. Lastly, there exists the sad reality that our planet may become unfit for life at some point, through self-destruction but equally as likely through extinction-level calamity. Such outcomes cannot be ignored and having established a population on another world would hedge our proverbial bets against such misfortune.
Now, could we do a better job, could we improve ourselves as people and caretakers for the planet we already have? Naturally! But that's not really the intention or scope of this video.
What a dumb video title.
The title was changed. Good on you for changing it, Destiny
I wish we would explore more into the usage of a pure plasma particle cell in a plasma particle accelerator for fuel source in the process of traveling through space. I know what you're going to say the plasma particle cell breaks anticipates to the cylinder walls inside the decompress chamber but there is a way of getting around that there is a way of utilizing the technology that we currently have to travel through space better than what we do
It's like Titan's BEGGING us to come: " I have Water, propylene, a extra thick atmosphere and a BITCHIN view of saturn!
What more so you want?!"