Is Leatherman Abandoning The Wave? 5 Reasons To Pick The Wave Over The Arc!
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Heck, I put two 10x5x2mm magnets on my SOG PowerPint to keep it closed. The magnets don't move, no matter how fast or slow I open the tool. They never block the plier head from closing. Basically turns gives the PowerPint the PowerLitre closure feature. Locks in the bit driver to the SOG PP well too.
That's really cool!
I feel like if they made an "Upgraded" Wave, For instance. Maybe 154cm for the blades instead of 420hc, And get rid of the eyeglass driver for a Awl, But keep around the same price. It'd get more popular again
Probably!
Charge?
that "upgraded" wave exists already. it is called leatherman charge
@@dankefurnichts indeed. Ti for 30sv blade
@dankefurnichts Yeah Technically, it could be any steel honestly, D2, 14C
The Wave was really the last groundbreaking multitool when it was introduced 25 years ago. The fact that there are multiple clones coming out 25 years later is a testament. The ARC is great but its more of an evolution from the Free series. A well broken in wave is an amazing multitool. It would be a mistake to discontinue it.
Technically it's the wave transposed to the free system. It's mostly the same tool set.
If it was only a bit more expensive than the wave it could be a "remplacement", but as it is now and due to the prices keeping older tools allows people to still afford a Leatherman.
And to be honest replacing the models is just a bad idea as people who wants their old tool replaced will receive something else...
I agree. Leatherman is going the "status collectable expensive for older wealthier men route" in my opinion. Gone are the days where they corner the market on a fairly practical innovative reasonably priced tool. The clones are crushing it, and newer models are not really groundbreaking.
I'd love to buy the Arc, but at £260, I wouldn't dare take it to work. - which is the main reason for my multitools. My Wave already did a disappearing act once, and I only retrieved it two hours later, because a fellow co-worker 'put it in his pocket by mistake.'
Our family some times goes camping. So a Wave/Surge/Bibury Pro does the job pretty well.
If I bought the Arc, it wouldn't leave the house!
Surge for the overall win no matter what anyone says!
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$230 for the arc is crazy for a multi tool. I don’t see how the average American would replace their wave (which is pretty pricey also) for an arc. Almost like leatherman doesn’t want to sell anymore to the average blue collar man anymore
I did…
Took a while for me to warm up to the wave plus as my every day carry. Now I love it.
I am hoping Leatherman is working on a updated wave for this year. I own the Arc, but I really love my wave, and find myself carrying it more. It’s just an awesome tool for the money
Agreed!
The Arc is my favorite multi tool of all time. I have it on me everyday
me too. i love the charge but i prefer that i can now access all tools from outside. if the charge had this feature i would not have changed at all.
Same here 🤙🏼
Then along comes Surge, and wins overall....
Also the Wave combination can opener/wire stripper design is better than the Arc!
I don't EDC anything that costs more than $50 (Except the phone). This applies to my tools and knives as well. So Arc is pretty much a collectible item for me. and for that reason It has zero functional value to me personally. And it is definitely not much better than some $50 clones. Leatherman has become a Benchmade of Multi tools to me.
Damn i have to agree in your comparison. Tho i carry a modded wave that i have over $225 in and a custom Bugout that i got over $300 in but i use em both as beaters cause itd be dumb to me not use em
@@patrickbledsoe2176 you do you man, as long as it does not feel dumb.
@@patrickbledsoe2176yeah man I watched a whole video the other day about not using edc tools because they’re too expensive, and how you give them life by using them
Gerber CenterDrive for life!
Thank you for the great review. I always like the Wave!
My favorite & I have two (2) of them, is the Charge TTi & TTi+ ✔️
It would be nice to see Leatherman refresh the Wave! Unfortunately, Leatherman is asleep at the wheel, they’re very slow at taking action, and their cost structure is way too high!
True.
I like the size of the wave ,but the weight is sometimes a problem like in summer with shorts, but it stays my favorite leatherman
Not a fan of the tiny Scissors on the Wave+
My thumb and palm have been pinched a few times by my wave + and now I want a different one 😢
200$ is like a month worth of my salary (junior office worker) so im not ready for that anytime soon. Im waiting for the DL7 to become available in my contry through domestic retailers.
Definitely makes sense to wait.
@@hvacbudget8600 actually i just found a DL12 deal for less than 20$. It is branded SQT but i believe they are them same tool from their look. May be not but the deal is just to good to pass. Also your review of DL and SQT are quite positive to i decided to take it.
@@hvacbudget8600 did you have any review on the DL12 or the same thing from SQT. I found one dealing at less than 20$ on sale.
I have several leathermans. Wave, surge, squirt, T4, P4, Signal, micra. All these were purchased before LM started raising the prices drastically. With what they are charging now, I don’t know that I would ever buy another one. Maybe a Wave +, when I see them on sale for $99. Maybe.
Leatherman in Brazil due to import prices + shipping can cost as high as 2x min wage for a Surge + bits, the arc can go as far as 3x min wage.
They need more distributors worldwide
For the price of the Arc I can purchase a Dewalt electric Impact driver + Drill + batteries, bits & drills and it comes with a Hardcase.
That's crazy!
"Is Leatherman abandoning the wave" [the way they abandoned the Surge]
I bought a wave+ for my buddy last week or so and put the s30v blade from my charge tti on it (was also new). And included the pocket clip and all the bits with it all. I feel his wave+ is as good as my arc. Or at least that the arc isn’t really so premium as advertised.
That's a great gift!
@@hvacbudget8600thanks. I had LM put a graphic on one side and his name on the other for him. He was pretty happy. I was happier than him I think to gift it!
I have to agree with Leatherman. The ARC is the best overall.
No, Surge...
They removed some of their best models instaed of improving upon them. Also they also removed the squirt which was one of their best mini tool series. I even don't see the point of the lifetime warranty because they don't make the models anymore.
But my biggest complaint it's the fact they sell expensive and goes towards that instaed of trying to be high end and affordable.
Also some chinese brands do more original tools now even if they are cloning the leatherman tools like crazy. But the original ones pretty much shows how unexplored are multitools concepts...
Roxon flex, Nextool W2, Nextool Gemini...
True!
@@hvacbudget8600 I don't think Leatherman fanboys are asking them to make the most expensive multitool...
Does the wave just feels more comfortable/easy to actually work with? I've got the P4 not the Arc but using the pliers is kinda annoying with the shape and bits sticking out
A lot of people feel the Wave is a bit more comfortable design.
What i need to know is the scissors in the arc as good as the 91mm sak scissors??
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What is that flashlight you have attached to your Arc?
pcpoodle.com/products/pc-doodle-prototype-01-torchy-flashlight-for-leatherman-arc
For Multi-purpose knives, I would rather pick Victorinox over the T4 or K4. Hell even if Victorinox has lousy blades, I will pick Spyderco + Victorinox over the T4 or K4.
And agreed, I would pick the Surge over the 300 for Heavy Industries. The 300 has no "Outside System" at all, and it is not cheap either, it is almost 200 Singapore dollars in my country.
The Micra sux and is overpriced costing near to a hundred Singapore dollars. It is unfortunate that the Squirt and Juice series which is better but got discontinued due to the unprofitable nature of the 25 year warranty claims, which Leatherman couldn't reverse.
The Rebar is overpriced and not worth it. I would pick the budget China Clones like Daicamping/SQT/Dakoyu/Bibury over Rebar/Wingman/Sidekick/Bond/Bolster/Curl any day.
However I do agree that Leatherman might one day abandon the Wave or even the Charge... Those China Clones are really good at duplicating. With cheaper overhead and manufacturing cost those China factories can produce almost identical multitools for a much lower price. The overhead for being "USA Made" is too high and costly. Since the patents expries, I suspect Leatherman aren't going to compete with overseas manufacturing on these easier to copy platforms... even Charge is easily cloned as we've the DL7; 2048A; DK1 etc...
I think even the 300, Surge and Micra might soon face the heat. The DL30 is doing fine over Surge as being a more worth it tool as a Blade and Scissors platform, additionally not so heart-pain if it gets stolen. In my country, I don't see a lot of people willing to pay a hundred Singapore dollars for a multi-tool, not especialy most people in my society no longer D.I.Y. Wave cost over 200 Singapore dollars in my country without discount.
I think in my country, those rich or well-to-do would rather save that 200 dollars budget of the Wave and save it for the S$500 Arc, Hell even the Charge cost almost S$300 in my country and the Titanium version is close to S$400. instead of paying 200+ bucks for the Wave or 300+ bucks for the Charge, just top up slightly more and get a fully "Outside" System. Maybe the D.I.Y. culture isn't as prevalent as the US so most people in my country don't have that dust that clog up issue, therefore I do foresee the Arc slowly replacing Wave or Charge as the choice over here.
Very interesting. A needed perspective, thanks for sharing! It is easy to think from a US standpoint alone, but it is helpful to get global imputs!
I love the Leatherman Wave. It offers something for everyone and is very versatile. The Wave is their best-selling tool and for good reason. Very few people wouldn't like this tool, in my opinion. I like the second generation because they simplified the number of flat head drivers. It wouldn't far well for them if they discontinued the Wave. I think it would severely hurt the company to a fraction of what it is today. The Arc is nice but wouldn't take its place.
I agree!
From what i understand in America sale tax is not inculed in product price. Im watching videos and im looking for items since price is nice but then i realize i have to pay 298 euro (~324 $) for Arc and 159 ( ~173$) for Wave +. I just can't justify the price. I live in germany but im from poland. Similar story in both countries though.
Prices are way too high!
Is there a reliable, industry respected, list of what were the "Best selling Multi-tools of 2023"? Wouldn't the Wave still top that list in the US? What would?
I think most companies keep sales figures somewhat private unfortunately.
An arc in Australia is about 500 bucks or I can get a wave clone for 40 bucks no brainer
Wow!
The Arc is 300 Euro in Continental Europe.
Wow!
Yeah it's mostly that. It's more expensive than an average smartphone...
Why would you be worried with the Leatherman warranty. I have had my Raptors replaced 4 times. I basically get a new pair every year. I beat the crap out of them.
I'm most worried in losing my Arc not in breaking it.
@@hvacbudget8600Gotcha, makes sense. Although part of the fun of this hobby is finding new, creative ways to tell your spouse you need to spend another $200+ on another tool.
Abandoning the Wave? Left in the dust? How? Not really sure what that means in the context of Leatherman's "best Multitools" list. Ttruth be told, the Wave *isn't* the best Leatherman product for some of the mentioned categories. Not to mention, Leatherman is a successful business that has recognized that sales of the Wave don't need any help, and will be more prone to encourage sales of other models - and not surprisingly, their *newest* model - making their business even more successful. Haha, they haven't 'abandoned the Wave'. They are still riding the Wave's crest and will likely do so for quite some time.
I hope so!
Personally i believe leatherman lost their way. I don't know if its corporate greed or marketing. I don't understand marking tools out of one steel.
Then charging $200+ because you added a blade with quality steel.
They could make a blade with 14c28n. It would be better then everything out there and still be cheap to make.
If im gonna make bits they are gonna be the best i can make. They fail there as well. Im not even sure some bits are heat treated.
I don't even see leatherman being better then the clones. The $30 clone i have is worth the money. My last leatherman i don't feel like it was worth the money.
Everyone says leatherman is better im not seeing that.
The bit driver alone is a step up. 7cr is better then 420hc.
$30 is better then $120.
The Arc is way outside my range. Ill spend money on a good tool but the Arc does nothing for me.
I can't be the only one? Im a old mechanic so tools have been my life. I learned brand doesn't mean anything. A no name wrench will do the same job as long as its quality.
I think more and more people are feeling as you are.
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That harbor freight Gordon multitool go em shook 😂 yeah, I bought it too lol 🤷♂️
How are you liking the Gordon?
😂 Has it broken and bent yet? If not, have you even used it? 😂
@billybunter3753 of course I have. You must have not seen the reviews yet 🤷♂️
@@1ohmwrecker Just buy a Surge if you don't already have one? It's the best leatherman overall. Why mess around with junk?
@billybunter3753 I knew a fan boy wouldn't let this comment slide lol. Thanks for the recommendation tho!
I will be sad if they discontinue the wave
Definitely!
Personally I think the wave is better of so many levels price obviously being one of them I do not care for the arc I think it's cheaply made as far as the durability goes materialize obviously it's expensive it's just overrated I don't like it I feel like it is made for a rich man sitting in an office to have something to play with Fidget whip I think it's a piece of junk the wave is obviously the better choice I don't know what Leatherman's thinking And as far as their quality and their other tools are going their quality is getting really crappy I think the cheaper tools are made better By other companies At this point I have a lot of them in surge I carry every day It's a newer one i'm not real happy with it I prefer my older one I've already had to send it in twice for the warranty the first time I sent it in was because it was pretty much broke when I got it the pliers were messed up took two months to get it back for the second time same problem I don't really use it that often as far as heavy duty stuff goes I mainly use it light duty stuff but it's still broke and they fixed it and I got it back but I'm not real happy With it I'm probably gonna buy me a cheaper tool because Leatherman just it's quality just isn't there anymore They don't care about the quality of the product it seems to me more like they care more about the money now
That's unfortunate!
When leatherman sort out their abysmal quality and quality control. Maybe if they start innovating and using better materials.
Leatherman are definitely not the best multitool manufacturer any more
When leatherman sort out their abysmal quality and quality control. Maybe if they start innovating and using better materials.
Leatherman are definitely not the best multitool manufacturer any moe
I’ve owned 3 micras and they were all garbage. I miss the ps4 and juice series
i hate the look of the skeletool, gerbers multitools, some are just plain ugly......the surge is the best looking
I like the free platform but the tools are very cheap and lets be honest look lile they made in china like one of those cheap multitool too but they will charge you 250$ 😂😂😂 loved leatherman but im done with them. Now u can have the same quality for much much cheaper
In Sweden they're darn expensive. A fully kitted Spirit X (with bitdrive kit) goes for 1.370 SEK.
Skeletool = 1.000 SEK. - 95 USD
Surge = 2.200 SEK - 211 USD
Charge+ = 2.500 SEK - 240 USD
Signal = 2.000 SEK - 192 USD
Wave+ = 1.800 SEK - 172 USD
Free p2 = 2.100 SEK - 201 USD
Free p4 = 2.400 SEK - 230 USD
I got a skeletool for like 700 SEK which is 67 USD which is decent enough. But for 1.000 SEK I can go and get a Spirit X without the bitdrive kit for the same price, like, it's laughable.
And the skeletool felt a bit rough, I've watched videos that you have to oil/break them in or whatever. Like, wut? For that price? My Spirit X came flawless, no issues, was just to use it and it was buttery smooth.
Leatherman can't stand as the top dog in the EU due to their price. Victorinox is more bang for your buck premium wise and the Chinese brands are coming in HARD with brands like Roxon in the lead. Leatherman is going down the Harley Davidson road in regards of mentality.
That is really good information! Thanks for sharing!
Arc 299euros here in Fin🇫🇮. Personally hate that blade shape. Fun tool to use, but if I could choose only one multitool that would be a Charge tti+🫡