Why did Bacta REPLACE Kolto after KOTOR?
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- KOTOR's Kolto is ultimately replaced by Bacta by the time of the Star Wars movies, but why did this happen and how did it affect Manaan?
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So guys... a Bacta Bath or a Kolto Bath? Which are you choosing? Quite possibly the most important question you'll ever answer!
A Kolto Bath in the ocean with my Twilek mamacitas and fishes
Bacta. Whoever made them last longer over the years... deserves a medal.
Well as long as I'm not on a rock with a crazy assassin droid I'll take whichever ;)
I’d rather the latest in medical tech: Bacta Bath
Bacta. Kolto was great, but time and time Bacta has been a helluva drug. lol
My guess is that Kolto was somehow powered by The Force; a healing microbe, perhaps, and when so much of it was used for greed, that perhaps soured the force in the area, nearly killing off the microbe and greatly reducing their healing powers.
Wow, you ARE a devil! I really wish I had a Men In Black Memory Eraser Thingy for whenever somebody reminds me that The Force is actually a microscopic organism. So, so, so dumb.
(But given the stupid premise that SW presents, that's a pretty good theory you got there! And no, I don't have a better idea for what The Force is, but I don't need one. They shouldn't have ever explained it at all!)
that is a plausible theory, the Selkath's greed in exploiting their Kolto reserves for economic gain could have caused some disruption in the bit of The Force that made Kolto's healing properties possible, diminishing the quantity and quality of Kolto
I like this theory but I feel like it's a bit more simple than that. Kolto seems to behave like our own fossil fuels do and as such they could of simply used up their reserves and started to run out and Kolto itself seems to definitely have something to do with midichlorians. Odds are the planet just happened to have a large amount of midichlorians and sadly they started to diminish as the Kolto itself was being extracted. Then there could of been the souring with the sith potentially playing a part.
I think they got greedy and over mined it faster than it could replenish itself.
According to rumours ingame kolto may have been created by an ancient shark/piranha-like "fish" on the bottom of Manaan's oceans that during the era of the Infinite empire was dry land (As the starmap is found at the bottom near the Rakert rift.
But it could at the same time have been Force related as well. Possibly a callback to the worms of Arrakis and the spice.
I am also excited to see Manaan in the remake. Sea planets and water environments were always my favorites as they were super unique and Manaan had this certain quality to it that the other planets didn't quite have.
It really was a really cool planet. And it totally had an appeal that no where else did.
@@pineapplepapercrafts I think it reminds me of The Abyss by James Cameron which I was very mesmerized by as a kid.
Lets just hope they speed up the dang environment suit lol
@@kittikat4124 lmao good point they never changed that even in 2 XD
maybe if were lucky we can get actually cool stuff out in space and underwater.
I know that in SWTOR you can go to Manaan. I don't know just how much of the planet is explorable though. Looking forward to the remake myself for the man reason
I’d probably go with Bacta. From my recollection, the Bacta tank was the only time Darth Vader could somewhat escape most of his physical pain. Considering how much he endured, I think I’d pick Bacta as my primary choice. :)
I don't know. If my min-maxxed healer operative popped just one kolto probe on Vader, he'd look like he did at the very beginning of EP2
Interestingly The Bounty Hunter Code has one of its narrators say that Kolto is better for burns.
Bacta was the only thing that was used during the republic/empire, because the sith fleet destroyed the source of kolto which prompted the use of bacta.
That's because Palpatine kept him from doing any Kolto baths which would have regrown his limbs
Teeh heeh hehhh
Technically Kolto does the same thing, Bacta just was stronger. Kolto would get the job down and numb the pain. It just was a little weaker it'd take longer to heal you.
Well, my Revan corrupted the Kolto, making it unusable, and ensuring that millions on both sides who might have otherwise survived would die, so I guess it's a bacta bath for me.
I hate the selkath.
I destroy the kolto on light and darkside playthrough’s.
I would commit genocide if it was an option.
My Revan didn't
Short answer is kolto only occurs on manaan and bacta is easily mass produced nearly anywhere
The Selkath are also very picky about who they give it to
@@xjadit7826 not really, they sold it to every side in every major conflict during the time they have a large supply. They only tried to pick and choose when the kolto supply slowed down
@@peadrianlastname they were though yeah they sold it to everyone but you had to jump through hoops for that to happen and entire organisations wether they be states like the republic and the empire or company’s could be kicked off the planet and not allowed to access the stuff anymore based on the actions of one person
@@xjadit7826I bet you cant name one time the selkath actually refused sale of kolto to a specific person/group before the kolto production slowed. They did have tight guidelines for behavior on their world, but i cant remember a single time cutting off access to kolto was more than a scare tactic to get the much more powerful armies of the sith and republic to behave on manaan
No it isn’t, it is a big plot point in some of the books that it can only be grown legally on one planet and even without that trying to grow it elsewhere is extremely difficult
If there's anything I've learned from Republic Commando it's "Never say no to Bacta!"
So Bacta bath for me it is.
Like I said to your KOTOR remake question, I too am really looking forward to Manaan, water areas and environments in games are places I always find to be my favorite, especially with great graphics.
Too bad the Selkath never realised the insane market of selling Twi'lek Kolto bath water.
The credits they could've made..
Huh how you get that CZcams comment art?
Thank you sir!
@@slitherthewizardofwither6959It's a channel member thing.
You get a handful of different small sized icons you can add to your comments
@@DIEGhostfish
Yes indeed, let's hope they do.
@@GentlemanJacque is it only within this CZcams channel comments or comments for any video
It depends - many people in SW are actually allergic to Bacta, so for them Kolto would probably be worth the extra expense if it is more expensive. Still, I'd take and store both if I could :)
Like Tylenol and advil.
Same I'd have a Kolto tank for minor injuries. A bacta tank for major injuries
this is, BY FAR, the smallest yet more INTERESTING detail ive seen of star wars in a long time. I do RP and fanfiction and this shit will stay on my favorites for a LONG time
LOVED IT
Haha, glad you enjoyed it!
This part of the game taught me the importance of not having a critical resources coming in their majority from just 1 source. And some people still think games don't teach us practical stuff that is applicable in real life.
(heh)
This is extremely applicable in real life. Just look a Venezuela. They had put all their eggs into one basket (their oil reserves) and when the cost of oil dropped in the 1980's, it nearly bankrupted the whole country.
Much like the Selkath centering their entire planet's economy around Kolto. So when Kolto was out competed by Bacta, the demand for Kolto dropped and collapsed their entire planet's economy.
Whatever the reason, I’m glad it did. Music aside, the only reason I’d ever go back to Manaan is to test the Death Star super laser.
The ocean is also nice to look at too.
I agree lol....I hated Manaan...if I'm a dark side player I really don't understand why I would go with their "police" forces willingly and would allow myself to be executed...I wish I had the option to, after I get the star map, go on a killing rampage...
@@Kolonol1 Hey, I wanted to do that as a light side player, I hated them that much! o.O
@@Kolonol1
That is why i always choose to poison the big fish and ruin their economy.
@@simonmagid4205 hahahaha agreed!!!
Playing that 'Empire at War' Footage made me smile. Thank you
Absolutely loved this planet in kotor. From the music, the city, the endless sea to the selkath speech and great quest. This was one of my highlights of the game for sure.
Out of all the possible races, I wish most that Swtor made the Selkath playable. Manaan is also one of my top 5 planets.
I am afraid of open water and Manaan always terrified me on some level, especially as a kid lol the story on that planet is great though. 2nd favorite only to Korriban
I mean you get a daily area on Manaan with the next Patch
How could Revan be a selkath. It just wouldn't make sense as with the flashbacks.
@@LinV24 They meant playable in SWTOR, not KOTOR
I hate selkath
I like Manaan as a planet, but the Selkath are one of my least favorite species from the Old Republic. Any little legal infraction and they were totally down to execute you. Honestly still happy that the murder side quest can be done lightside, but still “prove” the guy innocent, mostly due to lack of hard evidence and the sith being completely incompetent in the courtroom lol
The poor quality of kotor's dialogue really makes the court room scene a pain to slog through, doesn't it?
I liked Manaan and the quests there in KOTOR, but I really HATED the "voice-over" of the Selkath. That sound was really grating on my ears.
@@Kelnx Well, not every voice is beautiful. I kinda like it that it's bad
@@Bearical My problem was a 2-3 word sentence that takes a normal English reader about 0.2 seconds to read would play 50 seconds of alien language. Luckily you can skip through dialogue.
@@FormerGovernmentHuman Yes, but not every player is a native English speaker. Beyond that, the game was made with the intention for children to play. Some kids can't read that fast. So it's always better for the dialogue to go on for a touch too long so the player has ample time to read it and then skip when they've finished.
You should do a video about how the exile weakened Nihilus before the fight because of him attempting to consume her. I think a lot of people miss the fact that he was super weak when you fight him because he essentially destroyed a part of himself or something in doing that and the exile was the only one capable of defeating him because of this. Since she was a wound herself
@Patrick Dolan it elaborated on it and if you have finished a game you saw the elaboration. But the problem is most people seem to ignore it. Visas Marr and Kreia explain it several times over.
Cheap, easier to replicate and make, and not vulnerable to possible tampering from a singular source.
Just like the telegram over the Pony Express, if I say so myself.
A really great video on an interesting subject! Far more thourough, well argued and concrete than your review videos. Good job!
i always wondered this. thanks for the vid
the ultimate Nerd Question: could Kolto helped Ton Phanan from the X-Wing Books, whom had an Bacta allergie?
That's a good question that I never thought of
Maybe. Either way, he's still, you know...
If it had been something that had been written into existence at the time. Also it depends on the type of injury. The Bounty Hunter Code says it's more useful for burns but less for other things. That could just be superstition or anecdotal experience on the part of the in universe author though.
@@michaelandreipalon359 But would he have given up on himself if he wasn't trapped as a cyborg? And he and Face would have been carrying Kolto doses for him on board their fighters/ejection seats.
Good point.
Those who say gaming can't be therapeutic have never spent time on Manaan in KOTOR.
Man, even getting to go back there for a little bit in SWTOR and hearing the original soundtrack being used is therapeutic.
Seen as there was one of the ancient Star Maps close to were the Kolto was harvested on the Hrakert Rift station, I'm wandering if that had something to do with the Kolto (and the Giant Firaxan shark) being there. I'm wandering if The star forge being destroyed had a knock on effect. Seen as Rakatan technology was powered by the force maybe it was the force that powered kolto, (I saw another comment with this theory) and after the star forge was destroyed it stopped powering the Star Map and possibly any other Rakatan/Force technology that was also producing Kolto. Bit of along shot, but that's my theory
Kolto all the way! It’s got that old world quality that can’t be replicated
Thanks for the awesome video! 100% awesome. I also agree with what you think on Manaan in the KOTOR remake, it is such a peaceful planet and a breath of fresh air, I actually find myself feeling the same about Dantooine.
This is something I have always thought. Especially watching book of Boba Fett.
loooove ur videos :))
Great video. Something I’ve always thought about
Oooh!! REALLY wanted to know this question. For YEARS!
Thanks buddy!
Amazing video.
Since Kolto can only be found on Manaan and it was declining then it makes sense that Bacta was the best healing source
Fun Fact, if you play the manaan flashpoint in swtor there is a holoterminal that shows the molecular structure of kolto, it's located near the start of the flashpoint where the first group of mobs are. And apparently that same one is the molecular structure of caffeine.
I have a stronghold on Manaan on SWTOR. Had it there for a long time until i moved it back to Tatooine. Now I kinda regret moving it from Manaan due to Manaan being a smaller stronghold than Tatooine. Manaan feels quite majestic but the fraska sharks often terrified me. To be honest, the ocean terrifies me more than any biome on land. Something about it's abyss sends shivers down my spine....I think it maybe the fact that i cant see what's below me and that the ocean feels very alien to me. Or it could be the Jaws movies LOL.
No, the ocean is scary. Forget about not seeing below you... You go deep enough you can't see left, right... above you.
(On an unconnected sidenote, is it me, or are a lot of CZcams video thumbnails a bit wonky and mostly out of context lately?)
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What do you mean?
There appear to be some otherwise familiar looking video thumbnails that suddenly appear to look... different all of a sudden (but at least the content in the videos is still the same). Not sure why.
Very good video. I'll go with Kolto since it's organic and from the old age
I'm excited to see you with koriban and dantooine is going to look like in the kotar remake that's going to be cool
In a present Star Wars setting, I can really only see Kolto being preferred if, say, a character had an allergic reaction to Bacta and so needed an alternative.
Manaan is the first "water temple" level in a videogame I actually wanted to revisit
In the High Republic, Manaan and the Selkath are theorized as having been responsible for the disaster on Hetzal as revenge for putting them out of business by farming bacta.
This actually has a real world comparison a type of bat that created guano used to be the worlds best fertilizer , but the source was so valuable that people kept invading these bat's home into extinction only after the extinction are we now using a second best mineral phosphates . Thus I conclude Kolto was the better , was driven into extinction by high demand , bacta is like the second best but used more often due to abundance.
Bacta was in the pc/console game Star Wars: Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast (release 03/06/02) as the portable health canister used to heal on command.
the game Kotor didnt come out until a year + later.
if anything Bacta was replaced by kolto, so you seem to have it backwards; as Kolto is still active as the defacto healing ability in the current SWTOR mmo.
I know this is from an old video, but I need confirmation about something. When you shared a video with Eckhartsladder about The Star of Coruscant Super-Dreadnought, you mentioned the name: Laren Omas. That got my Legends nerd self perked up, because Omas is the same surname as Cal Omas from The New Jedi Order Series, The Swarm War, and Legacy of The Force. Is the guy that created that Super-Dreadnought in The Old Republic-Era an ancestor of that Chief Of State of The GFFA from 28 ABY, to 40 ABY? Much like Cassus Fett is an ancestor of Jango, and Boba Fett, or Admiral Dodonna in KOTOR 1, to Jan Dodonna in The Rebel Alliance?
Oh wow, that's quite the obscure question haha. I mean, I can't say no for sure? But I would assume it's just a minor connection or like a 'paying respects' to older characters kinda thing. Although it could just be complete coincidence!
There is something i remember reading or hearing a couple years ago that may have been reasons for kolto to still be active on the market.
It is hipoalergic, and can be reused.
Bacta has the advantage of being able to be mass produced, and one of the main components (a kind of wheat) is easily produced in fertile worlds. However compared with kolto, there need to be variants with different dillution and extra chemicals for races that might be alergic to the base mixture.
Kolto was natural, and altough was weaker than bacta on the later stages of the universe, was still used for both the most sensible races and as a cheaper alternative to bacta (since when the Empire conquered Manaan, the price of kolto tanked and was distributed as a cheap alternative). Also, it is described in books that after someone is released from a kolto tank, their full body is cleaned with vacuums, and the tank's used kolto is placed on a barrel to be filtered and reused.
NOW! If i remember the pros and cons are...
Bacta:
PROS
-Can be mass produced cheaply;
-The mix had been improved for centuries (milenia?), and is still being spiced up;
-Relatively easy to use and simple to package/store.
CONS
-Need variants for some races;
-Leaves a bad taste on the mouth for a while to those who are placed on tanks (similar to rotten cereals, or stale bread/beer);
-can't be recycled.
Kolto:
PROS
-Can be reused after filtered;
-Better for some races;
CONS
-Can only be produced in Manaan, and is nearly impossible to synthesize;
-Lost quality with time (I do believe was the result of overproduction. Seems it started to improve slightly just before the clone wars);
Another curiosity. If i remember correctly, bacta is described to be kind of gelatinous, whereas kolto is described to be oily. Kolto could be vaporized to cover a bigger area and give a slow but effective treatment for smaller wounds.
I was literally playing KOTOR on Manaan last night
Monopolies are good business ( Honda voice)
Until the monoply man went to jail for tax evasion. Then cornered in the laundry room he fought his hardest but eventually failed.
Fascinating
I have a suggestion for video based on your thumbnail. You could do one about
the selkath characters from the
2008 Clone Wars show. This species first appeared in Kotor games and first appeared in canon in Clone Wars 2008 show.
Darth Vader: Bacta is better.
Meetra: Kolto is better.
Meetra is a little more powerful honestly lol
@@Kolonol1
It was said by Chris Avellone that Darth Vader could defeat Darth Nihilus, but that doesn’t matter cause Revan (which ever version) would wreck them both, his 2 cent’s or something.
@@75JUNAKI I disagree there there's only one person that can defeat Nihilus...and that's the exile...most people don't get that when you fight him in Kotor2 he is extremely weekend. The exile is the only one who had the capability to weaken him like that because she was a wound in the force. He would have simply consumed Vader and Revan and been done lol
@@Kolonol1
While I agree with you and made a comment on a video interview, still Chris is the writer of K.O.T.O.R.2 and he know’s his character’s cause he created them and so I feel logically he know’s their place in power and were they stack up against other character’s.
So unfortanutely (misspelling) I have to acknowledge that Darth Nihilus can be beaten by Force User’s and even then Darth Vader and Darth Revan are pretty powerful in their own right.
So what did the galaxy use before kolto and bacta?
I’ve played KOTOR for years and always wondered that
Pretty that Bactta was still in the experimental stages during this time which it was less wide spread
I remember that I saw syntetic Colto in the game. What happen to that stuff?
For some reason I never even noticed two different liquids were used. Whenever I play KOTOR I guess kolto was automatically translated to bacta in my mind.
The question i have is how long does it take to heal from these and to what damage extent?
For Bacta; It depends on its purity. At around 75-80% purity a person can recover from a blaster wound in roughly 6 hours. Corran Horn in Legends had a broken back, shattered collar bone, blaster bolt to the gut and a broken knee and was out the bacta tank in about 8-10 hours with 90% purity bacta. With standard bacta he would have been in for roughly 3-4 days possibly longer.
I don't know much about kolto.
@@spooniestcomb9152 nice
Used to love duplicating weapons,armor and lightsaber crystals on manaan,the fastest way to obtaining the best buyable items(and duplicating rare findable items)in the game.
wait theres an item dupe on Manaan? I would always just hunt desert wraids and sell the skulls to the guy on Yavin after beating him at Pazaak a ton... like 60 credits per kill I think?
I loved all the worlds in the Kotor series, except for telos, but even then telos still had some good moments. Manaan has to be a favorite of mine.
The reason Kolto was used more is like you said. It was cheaper then bacta. That and people will only buy things they know and trust. So since Bacta being new or not used as much meant people stuck with Kolto.
It's because Revan chose the Dark Side option and destroyed the Kolto supply and the galaxy had to switch to Bacta. Yet another thing to thank Lord Revan for! :p
It's marketing but it's beautiful to hear you dance around that
During the Krytos virus epidemic, was Kolto ever considered as a mechanism to back up the dwindling bacta supplies?
I think the Selkath have my favorite sounding language in KotOR
All I know about the two is based on what game I was in first. I cut my teeth in SWG and there it was ALL Bacta and I never even heard of Kolto till I played KOTOR Many many years later.
this got recommended to me right after i got to manaan in kotor that's creepy
Google are listening, Zack.
That whole SWTOR portion sounds like a bunch of writers going back and forth, and doesn’t really make sense.
Kolto was on a steep decline, but now it’s important again for the purpose of a new Sith-Republic war, so they’re able to use it for neutrality again, but actually they can’t because kolto isn’t as important anymore, so all their cities get destroyed, but nevermind here’s a new one, also kolto is important again and can be used for neutrality, but not, because they’re supporting the Republic, somehow, and the devastated Selkath species is fine now.
Just a whole lot of not much happening, huh. Also, what was with the bizarrely humanoid Selkath in some parts? Human hybrids?
in kotor kolto medipacs looked like a simple injectable, give yourself a shot and it fixes you right there. Bacta needed tanks and took time. maybe it could fix more problems, but i would think that as long as kolto was available someone would use it, esp considering bacta was always a limited supply
KOLTO FOR YOUR CUTS🌊
The exile killed the fish on mannan to open the starmap which the Jedi had sent meetra and basilica on a secret mission to find all 4 starmaps❤❤❤
I think if the healing properties of Koltor could be restored I'd prefer it but Bacta is the ultimate standard by which healing liquids are measured by
Manaan is basically the perfect opposite of Arrakis
Would you say they had a... manaanpoly?
LOL
Hey im a huge fan of your channel and kotor, I know this doesn't have to do with the video but could you maybe do a quick short or demonstration of revans lightsaber? Practically it seems entirely unfit for combat and seems to only fit a metaphorical aesthetic build, there's no comfortable way to hold it and I've tried recreating all of his moves with it only to cramp up after each one 😅
There's a reason his second saber is extremely plain ;)
@@100StarWars fair point 😂😂
Kolto, but my first Star Wars game I ever played was KOTOR so I might be biased
I like my Manaan SH in SWTOR. Reminds me of Subnautica.
I wouldn't mind dipping my toes in a bacta spaaaa.
Wasn't there a line in Kotor about kolto being the best healing agent in the galaxy? I feel like I remember that, though it was just a one off line if it was even said
Someone said it
@@FormerGovernmentHuman pretty sure it was in KoToR 2, but keep in mind that Bacta wasn't a thing yet, or if it was then it was only in the early stages of development
Its was before Bacta was popular it was when they were still in its baby stages. There was not else to compete with it at the time.
Considering my luck, I'd be just as allergic to either as I am to Penicillin.
I believe Bacta was found to be more potant/effective hence the replacement
Because of my fear of oceans I was more comfortable roaming the dryer planets. Also Bacta for me because it's cheaper so I'd probably be able to afford it.
Because it came out after a 40 year old movie! crazy fr fr
I wonder what the empire did when they saw the Star Map at the bottom of the ocean lol.
When I played this game as a kid I thought Kolto WAS Bacta.
Isn't there part of/a questline to synthesize it? Which I assumed back then it naturally was how Bacta came to be.
Always figured that the point of Manaan was to show the origin point of Bacta? Thought it was cool, but I assume that was the point and it's been changed?
I think the quest to synthesize kolto is really a well-made fetch quest if I remember right. We don't actually see them successfully synthesize it, they just take the thing(s) we retrieved, thank us for our time, and give us items in return for helping them.
They tried to synthesize it they never figure out how to properly synthesize, they failed in doing that.
Well head cannon says Kolto was only available in the one spot, the Rift that was occupied by the Giant Firaxan. So it must be excrement from the big shark.... and once everyone realizes this they dont want to bathe in magic healing poo.. no matter how bad they were injured.
like Kamino, another aquatic planet profiteering over the war by playing both sides
if the Celcath and the Kaminoans had joined forces they could have created a scientific empire.
They should have marketed it as "organic" and "free trade"
Yes that is what caused the first war between the Jedi and the exile and the selkath
As long as we don't walk slow under water I'll take which ever
I suspect that Kolto would be popular with the wealthy elites since it wasn’t as common and likely more expensive.
I’d probably have to go with kolto over bacta. Although they are both great, bacta could be manufactured while kolto is 100% natural. In my head cannon, bacta is very similar to modern products with loads of chemicals. If I was on a budget, I would use bacta, but I would prefer kolto.
So long as this remake doesn't end up with a bug that prevents you from finishing the game, like in the KOTOR 2 remake.
_"If there is one thing I'm looking forward to in the KOTOR remake..."_
That one didn't age well.
Kolto, I like my magical healing baths to be organic
Bacta tank even I find Kolto more interesting. Know I get Bacta became the better healing agent, but hell they could have started marketing it as a cheap alternative, Bacta to expensive for you go buy Kolto. It won't heal you as fast but it still gets the job done.
Or hell make a hybrid drug imagine a superdrug that has both Kolto and Bacta in it it be twice as good as either of them.
Either one, as long as I'm not allergic to it.
I bet the Selkath taste awesome deep fried
Bacta boy myself.. if nothing else won't need to ravage a planet life for for it..
Well, ofc Kolto production was linked to that ("true" canon) giant fish thing which got dark sided in KOTOR 1 didn't it?
porque no los dos? :)
The kolto must flow
Isn’t thus KOTOR 2 music?
"The Selkath threatened to destroy their Kolto reserves, should either faction try to steal it or invade them."
Why that worked out well.
Inpending war, and at the time Kolto was the only "miracle healing substance" on the market. Any faction could snatch Manaan, but losing both the reserves and means to produce kolto would be hurtful not only to the military, but also the billions of civilians in hundreds of worlds.
Plus, the selkath did not distribute it by the goodness of their arts. It was one of the only comodities they could sell to outsiders, and was their major monopoly. They would rather sacrifice it than be subservient.