How a deal for armoured vehicles from US threatens Make in India | In Our Defence, S02, Ep 28
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
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India and the United States are progressing in their discussions to collaboratively produce the latest generation of Stryker armoured infantry combat vehicles (ICVs).
Initially, the project will involve a limited off-the-shelf acquisition of Strykers through the US Foreign Military Sales program. Subsequent phases will include joint production in India, culminating in the co-development of future versions.
Host Dev Goswami and defence expert Shiv Aroor discuss the American Stryker combat vehicles deal and the ICVs' battlefield applications. They raise the larger question: Does India need this deal? With private players like Mahindra, Tata, or Ashok Leyland, couldn't India build something similar, given that the Stryker ICVs have few exemplary specifications? “I am not saying that India can do better than the Stryker right now, but we sure can get close,” says Shiv. They also explore how a deal for armoured vehicles from the US might threaten the 'Make in India' initiative.
Moreover, the Canadian aspect of the deal cannot be ignored amid the flared-up diplomatic tensions between India and Canada. How will this be factored in and pan out?
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Timestamps:
01:40-7:30-What are Stryker armoured infantry combat vehicles (ICVs)
7:30- 17:12-Do we really need the deal?
17:12-24:00-The controversial 'Canadian' aspect
24:00-33:11-How do govt-to-govt deals even happen?
33:11-35:00-India didn’t need the Sukhoi 30 deal!
35:00- 40:41-Should defence acquisitions be subject to parliamentary approval?
40:41- 48:00-Why make in India is not substantive
48:00- 50:59-Indian-made Scorpios for PM's SPG fleet, possible?
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This is a podcast I wait for.....at par with JRE. ❤❤❤
Why to import Canada/US Stryker vehicle while Tata/m&m WHAPs are all ready? Should Buy PW engines/ToT if we charm them.
Why shud make in india be just for india ..make in india for the world
@@prodigalfraudaddy Mf these aren't candy
Make them in India but why buy and induct them
Even Americans don't like Strykers
@@prodigalfraudaddy i dont have problem with stryker production in india if its just for us army,
we already have whaap platform.
we should stay away from usa defence products they can block it anytime.
Co-production has been derided.. overlooking the K9 Vajra.. How this has now helped L and T produce commendable prototypes of Zorawar the light tank..
Shiv Aroor has however forgotten the successful Brahmos joint-venture with Russia and I think it has been a fruitful make in India venture with TOT
India financed everything about Brahmos and fixed major problems in Brahmos. Russians has still not given us propulsion chemical formula, technology, blueprints. Never provided Engine repair manuals of SU-30MKI, never provided metallurgy for AK-203 or AK-47. They gave manufacturing license to Egypt but not India. Think about it.
It is only your opinion@@pharkle35
bahmos was joint venture because we didnt have tech at that time.
queestion is why are we chosing stryker which is infirior platform against much better whaap?
i have no problme with joint production in jet engine space.
I think even T-72 was bought in a similar manner. Army was looking into British and French Tanks including Challenger
Another thing to discuss: Why HAL was forced to do away with the fantastic project of successful HF-24 Marut (of 1971 War fame) and go ahead with Migs and Sukhois.
This single act blew all the potentials of HAL in the field of combat aircraft development and manufacturing.
Deal is to keep the best happy and engaged. Some gains for India also. We need faster equipment induction. Also it's an offensive proven platform. Consider it had taken money.
this is a bad deal(if it happens) from the word go, considering strykers are not amphibious, unlike tata n mahindra WHAPs n that was a condition put on indian supplers.
Both systems are offensive platforms. Strykers different beast. Proven and combat worthy.
shiv you still havent done any episode on infantry modernisation
A video or image of the equipment you speak about will give your viewers a better idea.
I agree. Dealing with USA is never without pitfalls and blackmailing.
We already got their Apache and Chinooks
Might as well place both feet on the coffee table !😊
I too really feel this deal was unnecessary we won't get anything extra from this deal..we must not fall for the American arm twisting..Modiji we don't need this deal support Tatas and Mahindras and other domestic suppliers
A country like USA is never going to part away its niche and core technology even with the transfer of technology.
Foreign/imported equipments don't meet diverse needs for vast range of landscapes/challenges of Ind. Indigenous high tech military industrial complex is the only solution.
Does this deal link to predator dtones
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Look we have not designed any engine till date for a commercial vehicle till date.Tatas upgraded Mercedes engine, Ashok Leyland upgraded Leyland engines.Currently since upgradation is not working, therefore tatas went for Cummins and ashok Leyland went for hino.
Beml use Tatra or caterpillar.
Therefore how could you design aircraft
600 HP engines for IFVs and APCs is already developed and equipped on Mahindra WHaP
Does this have an reaper angel?
It is not just the vehicle that can be built with a little difficulty. It is the software that will allow it to share and get information with other vehicles. For the amount of money, India would be better off doing it on its own. Then you cannot be held hostage for parts and upgrades at exorbitant prices.
TCS , INFOSYS , and many more IT companies are there. they can build any software you want.
it just lack of intent which is problme.
I disagree with the idea that India needs more light fighter jets. While being lightweight may offer some advantages, it doesn't necessarily mean they will outperform heavier fighters in terms of speed or capability. As a large nation, India's air force requires a diverse fleet to meet various requirements. Light fighter jets like the Tejas have limitations and are not suitable for all scenarios. In wartime, airfields are primary targets, and light fighter jets may not be as effective as heavier fighters like the Su-30MKI, which has demonstrated its capability to operate from diverse terrain. The Rafale's delta wing configuration is not ideal for the Indian Air Force, except for low-level attacks and stealth operations. Moreover, its combat record is limited to engagements against terrorist groups and civilians, raising doubts about its effectiveness against advanced fighters like China's 5th generation jets. Some experts' claims about the Rafale's superiority are questionable, especially when considering its limited combat experience against targets without advanced air defense systems. Therefore, I believe swing wing designs like the Su-30MKI are more suitable for India's needs, offering a balance of maneuverability, range, and payload capacity.
Developing a jet engine is a complex task that cannot be taken lightly. It's not possible to simply create a cheap jet engine and call it a game changer, as engines are the lifeline of aircraft and cannot be compromised due to budget constraints. Using a makeshift engine in a fighter jet is not an option, as it would compromise performance and reliability. You must be aware that every time an aircraft flies, whether a jet or helicopter, it will require repairs, and technical support is essential for maintenance. Unlike ground vehicles or ships, aircraft require specialized expertise and technology. Jet engine technology is considered a national secret and sharing it is rare, as it's either highly valuable, obsolete, or has significant problems. As the saying goes, developing a nuclear weapon may take only a few months, but developing a jet engine can take years or even decades.
Stricker isn't a vehicle like Tata, Mahindra made. Stricker as name suggest is attack vehicle, mine clearing function and many more specialized act.
Sorry to say but i need to correct a few innacuracies.
Firstly, its Stryker, not Stricker. And the name does not reflect its purpose. U.S. Army has a history of naming its vehicles in honour of its Generals and Soldiers, like Abrams, Sherman, Booker, Stryker.
Secondly, Stryker's primary purpose is not "attack" but to provide armored transportation to infantry, with moderate fire support. It falls in a class called Infantry Fighting Vehicles/Armored Personnel Carriers. Tata Kestrel and Mahindra WhAPs fall in the same exact class. Both Stryker and WhAPs have similar design, i.e. an armored V-shaped hull that carries 9 soldiers on an 8X8 wheel drive platform, and typically has a 30mm cannon as primary armament.
There's absolutely nothing ground breaking as such that Stryker brings to the table.
@@indianpatriot10000 In fact its inferior
Stryker has 350 HP compared to 600 of WHaP
STANAG 3 of protecttion vs STANAG 4
Zero Blast Protection vs STANAG 4 protection of WHap
not to mention Stryker isn't amphibious
@@yashasvisingh6694comparing a battle tested vehicle to Tata whap is a joke. Tata can't even sell cars made in india outside to consumers with any level of sophistication. If tax protection is taken away today and imports allowed , Tata vehicles business will fold up. That is proof of its production and technological capacity. Don't compare what can't be compared.
@@sidthorat and?
Mahindra also makes WHaP
L&T and Bharat Forge also make WHaP
TATA is already supplying Armoured vehicles to Army and they haven't complained a single time about it
Stryker was breaking down in Ukraine regularly due to poor engine and small wheels
It doesn't even fits in the RFI presented by the Army for Wheeled Armoured fighting vehicle
Mig 21 is also battle tested so why make Tejas MWF Ted-Bf and AMCA
Let's just buy more Mig 21 by your logic
@@yashasvisingh6694 they will not complain..like arjun they will buy few to keep MOD and govt happy..they are OK for CRPF type operations. Comparing Stryker to WHAP is like comparing a Tesla to Nexon. The electronics and system besides the pure engineering make the difference you can't even imagine.
Mig21 at its peak was awesome. It was too old and hence lost its relevance. The right comparison will be Rafael vs Tejas...and you know how they compare. Infact countries buy second hand F16s but not Tejas.Korean jets but not Tejas.the truth is our IAF is saddled with these because it has no choice
APCs are not simple by any stretch, SPECIALLY because of the insurgents being able to deploy larger and larger IEDs and cheap AT guided missiles. An APC today needs active protection systems from atgms, and drones as baseline with very good IED protections. If India doesn't have good APS enabled APCs we should invest outside and anywhere to get them. The threat has changed completely
Ok then tell what APS does Stryker uses?
Also its the turret which has the APS not the vehicle itself
DRDO has also developed APS enabled 30 mm Turret for IFVs with ATGMS
And striker have none of those. So your argument is invalid.
Yes sure wake up, take 2 decades but build EVERYTHING from scratch. Perfect thing to do.
We aren’t good enough at making at this stage. Plus there is pressure on India backdoor diplomacy to improve relationships with US and Canada
Babu needs his cake.
शेखर g who is the person taken bribe in 600 cr इटालियन VIP chopper डील suppose to be behind bar
ED is the 3rd class agency in India. It adds name of journalists in chargesheet but not the politicians involve. What happened after adding Shekhar Gupta's name in the charge sheet? One notice from Delhi high court to ED and ED on its knees. No journalists were involved in that scam. ED can't punish the real perpetrators therefore trying to drag journalist who exposed the scam in first place. Out of 80 accused 33 had not even been summoned yet and guess what who are they? They were politians most from the congress party and few which shifted to BJP.
We need an APS now for all armoured vehicles it is a shame that any of the t90 Bhishma and even the advanced Arjun do not have an APS. APS has been critical component of almost all tanks and APCs for more than 30 Years. Y India so much tech advances cannot develop an APS system is worrying aspect. We already saw how in UKRAINE war T90M have been decimated with all advanced tech.
Most of the tanks in the world do not have an APS. It's still an evolving technology. While israel did had APS for their tanks, even they are failing and probably need upgrade.
They aren't failing lol in most of the videos they just shot their ATs at the tanks with aps and they don't show the aftermath. Just an explosion doesn't mean the tank got hit the trophy uses fragments to make the incoming projectile explode @@kevindominic5224
I completely disagree the trophy aps of Israel has a great interception rate and is battle proven thats why many other countries are using it, on Swedish cv90, US abrams and challenger 3 and leopard 2a8
@@pandibbarman , Trophy has major vulnerabilities, they are practically useless in short ranges. In the urban battle, enemy fire come from comparatively short ranges and Trophy had high rate of failures. Hundreds of tanks and Armoured vehicles were lost in gaza from simple home made RPGs. llly, trophy only trigger if incoming projectile have certain speed, which makes them vulnerable to slow FPV drones. Current Trophy system is not capable of intercepting FPV drones, which will make it practically useless in modern battlefield.
Javeline is ok Stryker is big no no but then we are not Army Jawans who actually use them
I support stryker plus javelin. bcz i want to balance make in india and critical requirement. Sorry Shiv! Make in India is fine but not at cost critical requirements. quick decisions needed in case of MRFA.
Yeah, exactly because the Stryker will not only be built for India but also for other US allies.
TATAs had displayed the WhAP with a Konsberg weapon station mounting a Javelin years ago. At one of the defence expos.
Pictures are on Google. Look them up.
So that's not the real reason.
WHaP has been ready for nearly a decade fool
@@rishabhbadjatya9599EVen the US military doesn't likes Stryker
Absolutely..Stryker is Absolutely nonsense deal, whap can be Improved. Additional firepower can be added
It is not a standard Stryker but the shorad version
Lots of American bots in the comment section.
They are just not delusional like you
Foul play???
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Sir talk more facts rather than English language uses talk facts ,iam person who knows the facts
In the era of kamikazi drones, tanks and armoured vehicles are lkke sitting ducks....
That's why aps and anti drone technology is being developed