So you'd give someone faster and better than you an unfair fair fight, just because they want to prove they're fast enough to kill you!!! Hell No!! I'm not letting you kill me because you want to prove you can. Bill was right.
There is something about Lakeith Stanfield that immediately makes me pay attention whenever he comes on screen. Even in roles like in Knives Out, he's extremely memorable to me. And this movie was no different.
Omg Yes! I'm still mad about it 😂 I love Rj Cyler. They definitely could make a prequel Netflix series on all the characters. The Harder they fall Origin Stories
For me, the issue with it being on streaming is the complete lack of advertising elsewhere. I just found this 3-month old video and never even _heard_ of this movie until now and it looks so good!
The whole “dishonorable duel” move was also used BY John Wayne in El Dorado. The concept of an honor system being a potential weakness is an invaluable lesson that I wish was explored in more media and in a more positive light.
I don't know what you mean exactly by positive or negative, but in Game of thrones first trial by combat with Sir Bronn of blackwater it was explored a bit
Only a kid with no idea thinks like the kid who wants to be the fastest. Men with experience are like Bill. As he said "It's not who's fastest, it's who's alive and who's dead." Being flashy, being fast, being confident, acting tough and cool. None of it matters against someone with a steady hand that knows when to shoot.
@@jaykisuke3397 yea but even still you killed 2 ppl with no honor at all just to give her a chance and even then you couldn't beat a girl who hadn't been in as many life threatening situations as you?
TRUE BUT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHO IS THE FASTEST BILL NEW THIS AND PULLED FIRST ON THE COUNT BECKWORTH COUNT WAS OFF OR WASN'T HE TOLD HIM ON THE COUNT OF FIVE BECKWORTH BELIEVE IN HONOR OF THE GUN BILL BELIEVE IN WHO IS ALIVE AND WHO IS DEAD. IT'S ALL FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. ALL THOSE CHARACTERS EXSIST BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD AND JIM BECKWORTH IS MY RELATED KIN HE IS FROM MY FAMILY TREE SO I PUT HIM IN THE SCRIPT AND I WORTE HIM AS A KID WHO DON'T KNOW WHEN TO STOP PLAYING AND TAKE THINGS SERIOUS I KNEW THAT SCENE WOULD GET A LOT OF PEOPLE PISSED BECAUSE I MADE THEM FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM FIRST JUST BY HIS SINCE OF HUMOR. 😊
It's interesting how Cherokee Bill's expression is one of quiet reflection and sadness every time he kills someone, or is challenged to do so. It is a crime against nature that this isn't regarded at the same level as Jordan Peele films, because so much lied beneath the surface, and the art direction was excellent. I couldn't think of a single character I didn't enjoy watching, and I loved the sequence where Mary is being told about Trudy's first kill and the only person she loved- the way she slowly, slowly peeled the apple, round and round and round. The more skin that came off, the darker the story, until the apple is entirely unpeeled ...and there is no story left to tell. It was an excellent way to flesh out her character. I have nothing but positive things to say about this movie. ps we love Cuffee in this house - The Harder They Fall says trans rights
@@partydean17 They called cuffee a "he" throughout most of the movie and HE was treated like a man, lol. No need to try and have discussions about things you cannot or refuse to comprehend, sweaty. If you don't understand something, then instead of piping up mindlessly blathering buzz phrases you were taught to say, how about you just learn more or gee... I don't know, listen to trans people instead of acting like you're an expert. Because you're not.
@TheIslandParable to "go a bit further" in this context is sort of nonsense. Someone can't do so many masculine things as to become a man or more specifically a trans man. Unless cuffee said I am under the impression I am a man, or at the least I want people to believe I am one, then I'd say they are not trans. It's like if I had a friend that loved flying in their flight suit. No matter how much they do it, it would be silly of me to assert that they must be trying to become a flying squirrel. All we know is they like being in their flight suit to fly
Cherokee bill was honorable. The problem with everyone is that duel is not a game like most people see it is. Life or death is serious and he was honorable by not tricking people and by preserving what was precious to him…. His life
He was honorable in some cases but he was dishonorable by cheating the count. Duels arent games for sure and Jim treated it like a game but he also respected Cherokee Bill in his own way and it was disrespectful for him to not even give him a chance. Based on the rule of the duel he was dishonorable
Oooo, I just thought of perfect comparison. In the game Ghost of Tsushima, it’s the difference between Jin Sakai (Samurai) versus Jin Sakai (The Ghost). One is bound by honor and tradition thereby causing them to lose in a head to head battle against the mongols and their leader. The other came to understand the reality awaiting those who follows the honorable path and begins to utilize everything deemed “dishonorable.” Like Cherokee Bill, it’s not about who’s bigger, stronger or faster on the battlefield. It’s about who’s throat gets cut in the dark the night before.
His performance was a great one, no doubt, but Val Kilmer was legendary on that film so gotta disagree. Some more screen time tho and perhaps that could've been the case
I love how Harder they Fall at the same time pays homage to the Western Genre while at the same time dismantling it. One of the best modern Westerns and probably one of my all time favorites imo.
7:19 I think both ideas are correct, he uses the Art of War AND he's fast. In this scene, I think he was also done. This is why he barely moved and walked out to show all he finally passed. Because a part of him wanted that walk of "shame." Throughout the movie, he was bored with this life and genius. He had idle hands syndrome and was done with this game. There was zero joy left in playing.
Legit the FIRST thing I thought when I finished "The Harder They Fall" was "Dag, I hope Cherokee Bill gets an origin story... dude's character was magnetic throughout the whole movie, and even though he was more a Lieutenant in the Rufus Buck gang, he played his part so vividly and in-depth, that it darn near pulled energy from the main pro and antagonists of the story... dude is a hell of an actor too.... friggin NAILED this role.
Cherokee Bill and Jim Beckworth both need their own series. Two incredible characters. Honestly, I'd love to see a series of all characters Ina prequel.
He never lied though. When jim asked him if he was the guy who was so quick he put two in someones back. Bill said, "nah, im the guy that shoots other guys for talking too much". Then stood on that sentiment when he was about to shoot nat in the back, by saying "do you always talk this much".
Lakeith Stanfield is slowly building a character resume to rival the greats. He has been serious, funny, dark, light...his range is unbelievable when step back and look at it, easily one of the best actors of our generation...and still growning
Im just glad him and his role in that movie is being highlighted he definitely embodied the "legendary cool cowboy" to life but the twist of him just being an oppurtunist was great to keep him still realistic and to stand out amongst the cast he was with...it gave me a glimpse of why my granddad was in love with the old westerns and the whole cowboy thing
This movie was fantastic imo. The acting, characters, plot, soundtrack/music. I love Westerns and was so happy after I watched it. I had no idea it was coming out or anything. Completely caught off guard but in a great way.
Just want to say, love these videos and I really hope you stick with them for as long as possible. The editing is great and the insight is even greater keep it up dude.
I don’t think I have seen Lakeith Stanfield in any role where he hasn’t owned it. His range is amazing. I thought he deserved the Oscar as much as any actor for his role in Judas and the Black Messiah. Can’t wait to see what he does next-he is definitely well on his way to becoming one of the greats
Another moment is when he kills Beckwourth, and says the line, "Why do they always have to count so slow"... when beckwourth was slow counting and on 3, Cherokee Bill was already on 1
I have zero idea why this video was recommended to me, but I'm sure glad it was. I Love It!!!!!!!! And Cherokee Bill is my favorite character in *The Harder They Fall,* too. Lakeith Stanfield is truly a revelation. Maybe it's his eyes? There is a confident humility in his character that compels you to him even as you run away from him. Anyhoo, excellent video analysis!!! 🤗👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks for this fantastic video and insight into things such as the art of war, but most importantly it's your closing message...trust in God and protect ya energy that's what me n mines are all about this year...but you have a good day/night I hope all that do see this are doin well and keep ya head up if things aren't goin so well whatever it may be don't let it fold you let it forge u and teach you many lessons God bless
I remember thinking the same thing as I watched this film. In a quick draw Bill probably sucks, but he knows when and where to shoot and alas, his namesake. Probably how we have our stories and legends today.
This is one of my favorite movies. It's so good. It's a shame it doesn't get more recognition. Hollywood needs more great movies like this and less superhero movies.
@@mrbigscreen123 my point is that superhero movies are the main focus of Hollywood for about 15 years now and we're tired. We want more variety, more original stories and overall better story telling. I can say majority of people are tired of the new superhero movie that comes out every single year. Meanwhile great movies like this don't get the recognition it rightly deserves.
"Before he puts 2 in their BACK" explains Cherokee Bill's character as well. But what initially did it for me is when Cherokee Bill razor bladed the "hero" in the legs on the train. Tricked him into believing it was going to be a "fair" fight and quickly dismantled him.
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Cherokee Bill’s character is so good thanks to Lakeith Stanfield man is literally one of the best actors around so underrated
agreed
I think he is gonna explode pretty soon.
for real everywhere he is in, he really goes all in
I agree
The characters were based on real people. They race swapped real people real black Cowboys.
Cherokee needs his own prequel fr
id be down for that
Best comment ever! Completely agree. He stole the show with ease.
I would watch the hell out of that. He's such an interesting character. Not to mention a Cuffee spinoff. Love him.
They all do, each gang deserves a prequel film
! ! ! !
I love Cherokee Bill, but I'll never forgive him for not giving Jim Beckwourth that draw 😔
Jim was counting too slow
@@WheelbarrowTim don’t they all
Nah, Jim expected Cherokee to play by his rules, and when your life is on the line, the ONLY rule, is to survive! That’s where Jim fucked up at.
May have tricked himself doing so
So you'd give someone faster and better than you an unfair fair fight, just because they want to prove they're fast enough to kill you!!! Hell No!! I'm not letting you kill me because you want to prove you can. Bill was right.
YES! I kept telling people that Cherokee Bill NEVER touted himself as the quickest draw, it was always someone else saying that. Great breakdown.
It was all hear say
“Why do they always count down so slow”. That’s everybody’s weakness.
There is something about Lakeith Stanfield that immediately makes me pay attention whenever he comes on screen. Even in roles like in Knives Out, he's extremely memorable to me. And this movie was no different.
never misses
They call it stage presence, few actors have it but some just got it and Lakeith is one of them
Get Out
Watch him in Girl in the Spiders Web amazing film amazing
The way Jim died crushed me
me too :(
Omg Yes! I'm still mad about it 😂 I love Rj Cyler. They definitely could make a prequel Netflix series on all the characters. The Harder they fall Origin Stories
This film is so underrated. Such a shame it went straight to streaming.
facts
Why do ppl say straight to streaming like it's bad.. These Netflix deals pay millions of dollars
@Nikki Jay Artistry Because its a different expirience to see a movie in the Theater, especially a well-crafted movie like this
It didn’t go straight to streaming I watched this in a theater with maybe 2 other people in the whole room.
For me, the issue with it being on streaming is the complete lack of advertising elsewhere. I just found this 3-month old video and never even _heard_ of this movie until now and it looks so good!
The whole “dishonorable duel” move was also used BY John Wayne in El Dorado.
The concept of an honor system being a potential weakness is an invaluable lesson that I wish was explored in more media and in a more positive light.
Why?
I don't know what you mean exactly by positive or negative, but in Game of thrones first trial by combat with Sir Bronn of blackwater it was explored a bit
“This film snuck under the radar” BP and WP really live in two different worlds bc this was all over my timeline for weeks lol
Lol It didn't fly under mine either.
It was up everytime I went on netflix
Only a kid with no idea thinks like the kid who wants to be the fastest.
Men with experience are like Bill. As he said "It's not who's fastest, it's who's alive and who's dead."
Being flashy, being fast, being confident, acting tough and cool. None of it matters against someone with a steady hand that knows when to shoot.
But didn't he lose a draw to a girl who dressed like a dude?
This is a real life thing with how many young gunslingers died against a true gunfighter
@@Shannonmm he really could have killed her if he didn't let her get in his head about honor.
@@jaykisuke3397 yea but even still you killed 2 ppl with no honor at all just to give her a chance and even then you couldn't beat a girl who hadn't been in as many life threatening situations as you?
TRUE BUT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHO IS THE FASTEST BILL NEW THIS AND PULLED FIRST ON THE COUNT BECKWORTH COUNT WAS OFF OR WASN'T HE TOLD HIM ON THE COUNT OF FIVE BECKWORTH BELIEVE IN HONOR OF THE GUN BILL BELIEVE IN WHO IS ALIVE AND WHO IS DEAD. IT'S ALL FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. ALL THOSE CHARACTERS EXSIST BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD AND JIM BECKWORTH IS MY RELATED KIN HE IS FROM MY FAMILY TREE SO I PUT HIM IN THE SCRIPT AND I WORTE HIM AS A KID WHO DON'T KNOW WHEN TO STOP PLAYING AND TAKE THINGS SERIOUS I KNEW THAT SCENE WOULD GET A LOT OF PEOPLE PISSED BECAUSE I MADE THEM FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM FIRST JUST BY HIS SINCE OF HUMOR. 😊
It's a gunfight not a tea party, opportunity waits for no one.
Well it was a duel, wasnt it that times normal to make counts? But yeah in a life or death situation the most coward will shoot first.
@@JesuCristoEsDiosYSalvador ain't no ref to blow a whistle, there's only the quick and the dead.
It's the fact that Cherokee Bill could've made it out alive but abandoned his art of war philosophy in an actual duel.
His character was poetic. I kept replaying his scenes. Well acted and well written. Almost got sad when he bit the dust lol
I worked in set during shooting. I cleaned the bathrooms and sanitized EVERYTHING for these actors.
Note: Idris Elba is a lot taller in person.
Lol yeah he’s 6’2. People don’t realise how big that is.
He looks huge in the movie.
It's interesting how Cherokee Bill's expression is one of quiet reflection and sadness every time he kills someone, or is challenged to do so. It is a crime against nature that this isn't regarded at the same level as Jordan Peele films, because so much lied beneath the surface, and the art direction was excellent. I couldn't think of a single character I didn't enjoy watching, and I loved the sequence where Mary is being told about Trudy's first kill and the only person she loved- the way she slowly, slowly peeled the apple, round and round and round. The more skin that came off, the darker the story, until the apple is entirely unpeeled ...and there is no story left to tell. It was an excellent way to flesh out her character. I have nothing but positive things to say about this movie.
ps we love Cuffee in this house - The Harder They Fall says trans rights
Cuffee never identified as anything but Cuffee. Masculine women exist, tomboys exists, don't erase their existence for your ego trip.
Cuffee just a cross dresser no need to go get your virtue signal
@@partydean17 They called cuffee a "he" throughout most of the movie and HE was treated like a man, lol.
No need to try and have discussions about things you cannot or refuse to comprehend, sweaty. If you don't understand something, then instead of piping up mindlessly blathering buzz phrases you were taught to say, how about you just learn more or gee... I don't know, listen to trans people instead of acting like you're an expert. Because you're not.
@@partydean17cuffee’s sexuality seems to go a bit further than cross dressing
@TheIslandParable to "go a bit further" in this context is sort of nonsense. Someone can't do so many masculine things as to become a man or more specifically a trans man. Unless cuffee said I am under the impression I am a man, or at the least I want people to believe I am one, then I'd say they are not trans.
It's like if I had a friend that loved flying in their flight suit. No matter how much they do it, it would be silly of me to assert that they must be trying to become a flying squirrel.
All we know is they like being in their flight suit to fly
Cherokee bill was honorable. The problem with everyone is that duel is not a game like most people see it is. Life or death is serious and he was honorable by not tricking people and by preserving what was precious to him…. His life
He was honorable in some cases but he was dishonorable by cheating the count. Duels arent games for sure and Jim treated it like a game but he also respected Cherokee Bill in his own way and it was disrespectful for him to not even give him a chance. Based on the rule of the duel he was dishonorable
@@PaulSmith-nb6md jim just counted to slow bill was counting in his head
The sheriff warned him that the flashy stuff was going to get him killed and he didn’t listen. Even if Jim was faster, Bill was the one who won.
Oooo, I just thought of perfect comparison. In the game Ghost of Tsushima, it’s the difference between Jin Sakai (Samurai) versus Jin Sakai (The Ghost). One is bound by honor and tradition thereby causing them to lose in a head to head battle against the mongols and their leader. The other came to understand the reality awaiting those who follows the honorable path and begins to utilize everything deemed “dishonorable.” Like Cherokee Bill, it’s not about who’s bigger, stronger or faster on the battlefield. It’s about who’s throat gets cut in the dark the night before.
Playing GoT too, it's so cinematic and the fighting system is just flawless
I'm willing to put Lakeith Stanfield's portrayal of Cherokee Bill on par with Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holliday. Both were tremendous.
His performance was a great one, no doubt, but Val Kilmer was legendary on that film so gotta disagree. Some more screen time tho and perhaps that could've been the case
I love how Harder they Fall at the same time pays homage to the Western Genre while at the same time dismantling it. One of the best modern Westerns and probably one of my all time favorites imo.
A dishonorable man died an honorable death 😭
This actor deserved more recognition for this scene
"There is no honor in codes or death. There's only honor in victory." Fits Cherokee Bill 100%
7:19 I think both ideas are correct, he uses the Art of War AND he's fast. In this scene, I think he was also done. This is why he barely moved and walked out to show all he finally passed. Because a part of him wanted that walk of "shame." Throughout the movie, he was bored with this life and genius. He had idle hands syndrome and was done with this game. There was zero joy left in playing.
Cherokee Bill became Saitama 🤣
Completely agree. He was definitely fast. But that “fastest draw” stuff was all behind him. He needed a new game & never found it
@@Soopology 100%
Legit the FIRST thing I thought when I finished "The Harder They Fall" was "Dag, I hope Cherokee Bill gets an origin story... dude's character was magnetic throughout the whole movie, and even though he was more a Lieutenant in the Rufus Buck gang, he played his part so vividly and in-depth, that it darn near pulled energy from the main pro and antagonists of the story... dude is a hell of an actor too.... friggin NAILED this role.
Sir, your insight to analyze this one character is borderline genius. And one of my favorite actors Lakeith Stanfield brought him to life.
Cherokee Bill and Jim Beckworth both need their own series. Two incredible characters. Honestly, I'd love to see a series of all characters Ina prequel.
He never lied though. When jim asked him if he was the guy who was so quick he put two in someones back. Bill said, "nah, im the guy that shoots other guys for talking too much". Then stood on that sentiment when he was about to shoot nat in the back, by saying "do you always talk this much".
honor is fools' prize, there is no glory for the dead
darth revan
Lakeith Stanfield's performance really stands out here even amongst superb actors like Jonathan Major , Idris Elba and Regina King.
This cast was incredible.
My favorite character in this movie
Thank you for covering. Cherokee bill! He was my favorite in The Harder They Fall. I’ve literally watched it 20 + times. My fave western movie.
lakeith is one of my favorite actors ! probably ever ! he never misses !
This film is not talked about enough. Also, you earned a sub, not just for the good content, but reminding me to follow God.
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Lakeith Stanfield is slowly building a character resume to rival the greats. He has been serious, funny, dark, light...his range is unbelievable when step back and look at it, easily one of the best actors of our generation...and still growning
Im just glad him and his role in that movie is being highlighted he definitely embodied the "legendary cool cowboy" to life but the twist of him just being an oppurtunist was great to keep him still realistic and to stand out amongst the cast he was with...it gave me a glimpse of why my granddad was in love with the old westerns and the whole cowboy thing
This movie was fantastic imo. The acting, characters, plot, soundtrack/music. I love Westerns and was so happy after I watched it. I had no idea it was coming out or anything. Completely caught off guard but in a great way.
i went and rewatched this classic thanks to you
Love your content and outro! Amazing work, i am certainly taking a few notes!👏🏼💯
Just want to say, love these videos and I really hope you stick with them for as long as possible. The editing is great and the insight is even greater keep it up dude.
much love ❤
This is one of the greatest movies ever. I can watch it so many times and not get tired of it. Wish someone would make more
I will use this knowledge for ever I learned some deep stuff today. Thank you for this
I don’t think I have seen Lakeith Stanfield in any role where he hasn’t owned it. His range is amazing. I thought he deserved the Oscar as much as any actor for his role in Judas and the Black Messiah. Can’t wait to see what he does next-he is definitely well on his way to becoming one of the greats
Another moment is when he kills Beckwourth, and says the line, "Why do they always have to count so slow"... when beckwourth was slow counting and on 3, Cherokee Bill was already on 1
What a well-thought out analysis
I loved every character in this movie but Bill was just SO GOD DAMN COOL!!!
Such a good take. I’ve watched this movie so many times. Everything you said was right on target
Great video bro, great breakdown
Each of the gangs need their prequel
That would be sick!
This is one of my all time favorite films.
This was a fire ass movie and it shows most cowboys wasn't white back then
You hit this comparison spot on @thefilmnerd
Great analysis of a Great Character in a Great Movie! 👏🏿
lakeith stanfield deserves so much more credit for how he brings out the best in the characters he plays
This movie is so good I watched it back to back. 🙌
I have zero idea why this video was recommended to me, but I'm sure glad it was. I Love It!!!!!!!! And Cherokee Bill is my favorite character in *The Harder They Fall,* too. Lakeith Stanfield is truly a revelation. Maybe it's his eyes? There is a confident humility in his character that compels you to him even as you run away from him. Anyhoo, excellent video analysis!!! 🤗👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Awesome vid bruh thnx also preciate ur love for the movie it was inspiring
you earned a sub based off the outro alone like damn g , why u say everything i needed to hear so casually
@good clip shots, and best narrative.
!!! real nerd !!!
Dang, gotta watch this. Well done.
Thanks for this fantastic video and insight into things such as the art of war, but most importantly it's your closing message...trust in God and protect ya energy that's what me n mines are all about this year...but you have a good day/night I hope all that do see this are doin well and keep ya head up if things aren't goin so well whatever it may be don't let it fold you let it forge u and teach you many lessons God bless
Just seen the movie it was awesome underrated video
Proud to say I’m definitely subscribing to this channel 💪🏿
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I gotta rewatch this movie
Great video glad I came across it
This was such a badass movie.
History is written by the winners.
I remember thinking the same thing as I watched this film. In a quick draw Bill probably sucks, but he knows when and where to shoot and alas, his namesake. Probably how we have our stories and legends today.
Great breakdown my guy.
First time list to your CZcams clips idk why you randomly on my suggestions but I like this keep going btw that movie was and is very good
everything u said was so well spoken
thank you 🙏
this actually very good in a way that i cant explain but ill most def use this
Agreed Cherokee Bill was my favorite character in the whole movie 💯
Love this movie
I hadn't even heard of this film, but now I'm pumped to watch it.
it's a great film :)
I loved this movie! It was awesome!
Such a great movie
Great video. Just earned a new sub. Keep up the good work.
I love your view on this film and character, you have a very familiar and similar
style like FilmJoy
Great video
Great movie, first channel I’ve seen talk about it
So glad you made this
This is one of my favorite movies. It's so good. It's a shame it doesn't get more recognition. Hollywood needs more great movies like this and less superhero movies.
Why does everyone put down superhero movies to make a point about other movies. There's room for everything.
@@mrbigscreen123 my point is that superhero movies are the main focus of Hollywood for about 15 years now and we're tired. We want more variety, more original stories and overall better story telling. I can say majority of people are tired of the new superhero movie that comes out every single year. Meanwhile great movies like this don't get the recognition it rightly deserves.
This was great. And I’m now a subscriber
The best character surrounded by other great characters
Good observations
Amazing movie, great character.
Earned a sub for that outro!
beautifully said
Loved this movie.
Thanks for introducing me to this movie, I had no idea it even existed.
Peace From Louisville, Kentucky!
I really enjoyed this video! Really liked how short, but direct and to the point!
Side note, your audio is clipping a bit.
Props for using Old school by DOOM for the intro music
Thank you for doing this video
my pleasure
This video was amazing can yu please do more videos on the art of war used in movies/tv shows
He was my favorite character in the movie to
digging this
"Before he puts 2 in their BACK" explains Cherokee Bill's character as well. But what initially did it for me is when Cherokee Bill razor bladed the "hero" in the legs on the train. Tricked him into believing it was going to be a "fair" fight and quickly dismantled him.