Boss Dm-101 vs RE-202 // What's the difference?
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2023
- Sonically I mean... there are the obvious ones like the RE-202 is a digital emulation of the Space Delay whereas the DM-101 used 8 BBDs for a pure analog signal path.
The DM-101 has a darker, more gooey tone, with the RE-202 being more precise (surprising to me as its anything but compared to digital delays) and having more tonal control. The tone of the DM-101 however is stunning so I throw in a little demo of it being itself at the end.
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• From The Studio
1:18 first sounds
2:09 Tone Controls
3:10 Saturation on the RE202
3:51 Feedback - they're not the same
6:30 Modulation - wow and flutter and stuff
8:00 Dm-101 demo - RE-202 can't do this
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I love the way they designed these. The fact that they’ve started to put some love into the design of pedals again, with a quality feel and clean as hell 1970s aesthetics. Imagine if they started making synths like that, analog synths with original design (but obviously influenced by older designs).
Good video as ever. Must confess that melody stuck in my head so i fleshed a tune out of it. Cheers!!!🎉
Yes!! This is the video I’ve been waiting for!
Hope it doesn't disappoint!
Thank you for inspiring me to hook up my RE-202 again. Its definitely a wonderful pedal that i dont give enough attention to. Awesome in depth comparison! I really appreciate how u take the time to mess around with every knob.
The DM-101 sounds incredible. I definitely want to add a stereo BBD delay to my collection. The only thing i wish it had is stereo inputs. due to that limitation i would lean more towards the Flower Pedals Dahlia, or the Walrus Audio Meraki, but the DM-101 sounds so darn good. 😁
Briliant video again.😊
Thanks for the comparison! I stick to my 202. The 101 is with all respect just a very very good analogue delay! The 202 got that authentic playful transparent tape delay sound which i love so very much!
Yeah.... think I'll hold onto my 202 😆
Love the design and the sound of these units. I see a RE-202 in my Effects Loop.
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Hi, i was wondering if you think its worth it to get one of these for just mono? I just have my peavey combo.
Great topic, i was just asking myself that question. The 101 does not do full wet, does the 202? I m trying to use that as a excuse to not buy either 😅
No the 202 max wet is a lot less than the 101. It’s in max for almost all of this demo
I've just found in the manual that you can do 100% wet from the DM-101 with one output and dry from the other... maybe that's possibly on the 202 as well.
Love me 202, it sound incredible when you play with the tape speed and intensity in real-time. BBD delays are nice but a different kettle of fish. I have a nice moogerfooger for that.
I may throw this against my 104 at some point.
Are you also going to do the eventide h90 and check if there are some vocoder tricks to be used?
I'll have to get my hands on one somehow.
If you have the Moog Matriarch, you have access to their built-in BBD based on the Moog 500 series modules which sounds amazing and which I think sounds better than the DM-101. That's stereo too and can be modulated however you want with envelopes and LFOs and other eurorack gear if you have it :-)
It’s difficult to fit it on a pedal board though 😂😂 … I’ve not got the matriarch although I had one here for a few months. I never realised the BBD on it was so flexible, but much preferred it to the reverb in my GM.
Starsky, you and @loopop are my go to channels. I can even overlook you’re a Lancastrian, I’m sure you’ll admit Yorkshire has always had a better cricket team. Thanks for this great comparison. I love the 202 and I’m eagerly awaiting my 101. I also think the SDE3000 clone has a different vibe again.
Would love to see you get a hold of some chase bliss pedals to demo. The new reverse mod C and gen loss mk2.
Me too... if someone could put a word in with them... ;)
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I tried the 101 and thought it sounded amazing, had the full stereo width that i feel the 202 is lacking. But that mono in is an absolute killer for me. I use pedals as outboard gear and it just kills all my stereo image. And the fact it doesn't go 100% wet means I cant put it in a parallel effect send without causing a weird phasing issue. Such a shame because I think the 101 might be one of the best analog delays I've heard
Yeah I get that, and have been wondering why myself. I think its due to being fully analog - it would require another 8 BBDs for true stereo. I guess they could split them 4+4 for L+R but then the delay lines would be different.
@StarskyCarr yes absolutely, I understand too. And I know it's me just being one of the unbearable stereo crowd. The likelihood is the majority of people will use this in mono anyway. It's just a shame really because it sounds amazing and it's a really well engineered pedal, very powerful.
True stereo bucket brigade delay units don't exist as far as I can tell.
@reecedeyoung6595 yes I think you're right, unless they're digital recreations. I know it's a me problem, it sounds great, I'll just have to find something else that works in stereo
@@chrisdavies9143 or buy two mono units. Maybe go euro rack so you can control the sync
What synth are you controlling in the intro? It is beautiful
It’s the Rhodes V8 plugin …. A beautiful recreation.
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Nice... nice... nice
Hahaha… haha…. Ha
I heard the DM-101 synth signal is too hot for it. Any truth?
Not that I’ve noticed. Not tried any pads yet but it’s not like it’s distorting madly like you’d expect if that was the case.
@@StarskyCarr awesome cheers brother
I tried multiple synths with the 101 before I sent it back. On the whole I found It doesn't handle line level as well as you'd hope, I found a couple of mine in particular were clipping quite a bit and I was having to lower the level quite a bit. But it wasn't unusable or anything, just noticeably couldn't handle the input as well as some other pedals, Strymon etc.
RE 202 for the win
Great vid, although the 202 emulates the classic re-201, not re-150, although very similar
The sound of the RE-202 really reminds me of old 70s Vangelis tracks... especially with the SH-101 providing those plucks! I think he used the much vaunted Binson Echorec units, the sound is definately very similar.
Hmm, I don’t think it sounds very similar … These boxes are much brighter (cleaner?) than vintage units. Just depends what you like/want, of course … That DM-101 does seem to have some relatively warm tones, though - at least compared to that RE-202 …
I can tell you right off the bat you should've used the multi head mode with all heads on and changed the dotted note settings to hit that initial 202 sound.
I dunno… I matched the head settings and the delay time and feedback was the same. Not much more to do to get them the same. Dotted note or not matching the delay time in the heads is the important bit.
Thanks Starsky, I interesting comparison. DM1sounds good but really isn’t an option as I’m sure,”like a lot of “synth orientated” customers the DM1 being mono in is a real deal breaker, pretty surprised Boss/Roland made such a shortsighted design choice- could have made it appeal to bunch more customers?
I wonder whether it's because it's using analog circuitry? to have true stereo delay would require double the BBDs. Having said that, even if it summed to mono at input might be more useful for people with stereo routing.
@@StarskyCarr yes quite possible I guess (so presumably put part cost up a bit )& given boss by definition is focused on guitar market so sensible if they didn’t think worth extra complexity for stereo.....Although I would note they are pretty premium priced pedals & Behringer seemed to manage use BBD in their June pedal & its stereo in & out and still keep it extremely budget priced
@@pizzagogo6151 DM-101 is the most structurally complex delay machine in the history of BBD Delay, so it's meaningless to compare prices with other products.
The re202 can totally ramp up, just step and hold on the left pedal and if you step and hold on the right one it freezes
I really want the DM-101, that price though. But then again i paid more for a Moog MF-104M Super delay, wich i sold for double the initial price.
I’ve got a 104M vs coming up.
The 104 was the real deal, though … don’t expect these new boxes to double in value …
Gonna sell my RV6 and DM2. Which of these should I get? TIA.
Difficult choice. The 202 is a must if you’re after the classic tape tone, but for more general use I’d go with the 101.
@@StarskyCarr thank you for your input. I got the RE 202 coming! 👌
Lol i just noticed topic says RE 101. You want to change that typoo😊
oh yeah. thanks
The repeats on the DM=101 sound a lot more distorted and dark - it doesn't sound right to me. Let alone having the reverb added as a bonus on the 202. No 100% wet kills both units anyway. Why bother if you can't strap it on a mixer send?
The 202 does wet only.
@@confectionarysound ah thanks. It's a glaring omission on this 101. I believe I misunderstood the video.
That plant in the corner is driving me mental. Excellent demo though.
haha... I wish I'd chosen a smaller - less annoying one! it was holding back a tonne of even more annoying cables. If I use a cup of tea or anything stronger I end up forgetting what it's there for and drinking it.. releasing a cable monster.
phew, no g.a.s.! i can continue enjoying my re-202 😅
Yeah but wait until you hear it in its own!.. doing its thing. 😂😂
@@StarskyCarr i've heard it already on a guitar demo and it does sound good. but i'm content with my re-202 and dm-300 😋
Everytime I hear the SH 101 I want to grumpily punch my beringer Ms 01. Sod it, it might fix the crap glide if I do.
😂😂
I think I just broke my own synth-stupidity record: I came in sort of in the middle of this video, and saw the top of the synth there. I thought "Oh, cool... he's using a Roland Boutique SH-01A like mine to demo these pedals! Wait, though... what are those plugs on the top side... mine doesn't have those (looking down at my desk to confirm that my SH-01A didn't have its plugs on top, but in back). Hmm... this is ODD... does he have the Roland Boutique sitting on something else that is gray with plugs on it? Hmm... no... it's definitely part of the... OH, WAIT, that's a REAL SH-101!" etc. etc. So, then I sit thinking "Yeah, like Starsky would even have something like a Boutique, of course he's going to have the real thing. I should get the real thing and stop being such a loser." (looking over at my P6, Pro3, Sub37, Grandmother, MS-20, Perkons, and every box Electron makes mounted on my Jaspers stands) Yeah... I'm nothing without a real SH-101. (Looking over at my Behringer Poly D) "Yeah... there's the proof I'm a cheapskate" (ALTHOUGH... to be fair... Starsky IS sort've responsible for me getting that Poly D after his comparison video was so impressive.) Still... it just goes to show you how vicious and predatory G.A.S. is... it preys on every single compromise you ever make and ignores every major sacrifice you've already made to try to appease the monster. The thing is, I'm not a materialistic person in any other way... just... SYNTHS (and drum machines... and sequencers... and pedals...and controllers...) :::sigh::: sick, sick boy I am...
Thank goodness I’m a vintage gear/tone snob, so don’t have any interest in spending money on these new, bright-sounding units … Who would’ve thought, my snobbery would ‘save’ me so much money! Thanks, Boss, for putting out all these new, expensive boxes I don’t like the sound of! 😀 Of course, I spent a lot of money on vintage gear, to get to this point … 😏
i'm just glad that the instagram plant is serving a purpose. i was about to throw my laptop out the window
It was doing my head it... but I do use them for just that purpose occasionally. Looks better than a half drank cup of tea, and I do feel obliged to ask for forgiveness! :)
The DM-101 is more expensive than two DM-2Ws, and I'd rather have two DM-2Ws. An 8 BBD 1.2-sec delay needs SOME kind of filtering. I'm sure it has something hidden in the the settings, but that's really bad design. They had plenty room for EQ or filter knobs, but nope. My favorite big delays are the Zen Delay, Benidub Echo, and the Suhr Discovery. Those all have easy to use LPF/HPF, and it's something I use 100% of the time.
The DM-101 is a great idea that was poorly executed. There's nothing interesting or elegant or intuitive about the interface. It's a dramatic contrast next to the RE-202 which has a lovely layout/interface. Maybe that's just because it's copying the lovely layout/interface of the OG Space Echo. It's also a real eye-roller that in 2023 they're still repurposing an old chassis with a Micro-B connector. It doesn't really matter. It doesn't need the connector for power. But it just screams "lazy design."
I guess the issue with EQ or filter is that to keep to an all analog signal path it would need 2 analog filters (L+R), not sure how much that would impact the cost.
I agree on the USB though - an odd choice now it’s pretty much obsolete.
no way im paying that much for "emulation" just make the real thing jesus christ...like seriously if your on a budget just get a plugin because its literally the same thing and save even mooore money.
And if you’re not using a computer, do you print out the plugin and stick it to your desk or the stage? These pedals have their use cases, and going with an emulation over a real tape echo has major advantages in many scenarios too.
There is such a thing as guitarists who aren't hunched over laptops when they make music.
How superficial can you be, even in the description of this vid - "like the RE-101 is a digital emulation of the Space Delay" WTF
If your going to use words like superficial it would be wise to look up the meaning 😂😂