What I like the most about this series is that he's a gamer, too. He's not so uptight that he doesn't realize that if you're not ARMA you don't need to be hyper-realistic.
Please remember that there are multiple variants or patterns of bolters, in 40K, astartes grade, human grade, and then the dozens of different forge world patterns for it, none of them are standardized as each pattern has something different, whether that be bolt round calibers, or visual styles. This leads to a lot of confusion to the fans. For example the Dark Angels use the Their own special pattern of Boltgun, as do the blood angels.
@@sternguard8283 that sounds like a piece of lore added after the fact to justify lazy third party content creators. Although it is totally warhammer esq, cause warhammer is a huge mess.
I love how in context in 40k 'why are none of these silenced?' reason 'because it would displease the machine spirit' is a totally viable and thematic answer.
Or because it would spoil the intimidation factor of the weapons when used in the apparently standard Napolionic regimental battle line tactics that are in use.
@@TheSchultinator You do realize that Astartes Bolters are loud for this reason as well, yes, Guardsman? But in their case each shot that rings out across the battlefield is a prayer to the gods of battle.
Honestly the fact that Necromunda uses 40,000 old guns and attachment systems makes sense since Necromunda is basically the uber junkyard of the Imperium
Yeah I was gonna say that when he was bringing up how a lot of the guns have Picatinny rail‘s and look very similar to our modern guns, he hasn’t seen the official guns used by the Imperial Guardsmen or the Space Marines.
Not to mention that some of these guns were probably cobbled together from parts of older guns - or copied from cobbled together guns and slightly improved in the process.
@@TonkarzOfSolSystem That, and technology doesn't go in a straight line in 40k anyway, because humanity's tech base was shattered and is still being recovered, piecemeal. There are worlds that use single-shot laser rifles in Napoleonic formations, because that's what they know how to make here. Two systems over they've got machineguns, but still use cavalry skirmishers with SMGs and grenades.
Did not think I'd ever see Johnathan cover 40k weapons, but man this was exactly what I wanted! One thing you have to remember is that 40k is a post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-apocalyptic setting. Every type of apocalypse has happened already, and mankind has advanced to future tech and been knocked backwards thousands of years countless times, to the point where the Mechanicus (space scientists/technicians/engineers) barely understand any of the equipment they maintain or produce, but instead rely on automated foundries from milennia past to 'print' old tech templates for them (standard template constructs). That's why tech isn't universally advanced, much of it has been lost or destroyed along with the means to make and understand it. Edit: if you wonder why the Mechanicus haven't just made new tech over all this time, also consider that mankind's creations have often gotten out of control and almost wiped us out several times. The Men of Iron was a skynet-eque apocalypse where AI turned against us en masse for example. So 'unsactioned' innovation is seen as dangerous, and due to the lack of understanding, the mechanicus culture is like a religion that worships machines, data, technology and electrical engineering. So Innovation is also seen as heretical as well as potentially dangerous, further stagnating progress.
One other important bit to remember is the comically ultra-conservative nature of the Imperium, which means, even though they frequently encounter advanced Alien tech which COULD be beneficial to them, and COULD move them forward technologically, they basically hamstring themselves by considering it heretical to do so, unless studied by the tech priests of the Mechanicus, and they aren't the most forward-thinking or enquiring of minds. So while they do occasionally adopt or adapt tech, it's an absolute rarity... except when it suddenly isn't and everyone pretends as though they've had the stuff all along because everyone thinks in almost Orwellian terms of "whatever I'm told today must be the truth, because I'm being told it today. Yesterday's truth never happened." As such, it is highly likely that the T'au, for example, HAVE got far more advanced stuff, like attachment systems, but the Imperium will probably never adopt it because HERESY! but equally may suddenly adopt it but then claim they've always used it. That's the fun thing about 40k as a universe- you can pretty much explain or excuse ANYTHING if you come at it from the right angle. It's a universe built on making exceptions and then turning a blind eye to them, because it's so often seen from the peculiarly adaptable-but-rabidly-traditional view of the Imperium.
@@peterclarke7240 I actually just wrote a bit extra on my comment to explain the techno-heresy angle at the same time that you wrote this, but yeah they are also a rather scared/xenophobic bunch as you say, so they will often refuse to learn from alien tech too for the fear of it.
It's not like a religion worshipping technology, it IS a religion worshipping technology, complete with dogmatic schisms, backstabbing and everything else zealotry might do, including assassination and genocide, where a blueprint is holy scripture and anything produced from it a religious relic directly gifted by the machine god.
We are talking about a world that has Orks, Egyptian Terminator Robots and Daemons that break te laws of Physics so why wouldn't the IOM have stuff that does that too lol
It's warp... Stuff... Warp stuff, ohw Kay? Look, don't ask so many questions, we need more Dakka! I didn't say that, Mister Inquisition, sir... I DIDN'T SAY THAT!! AAAH
@@neilmcdonnell2964 kinda but not really, they work because the collective ork hive consciousness has enough psychic power to make them work. also I think in lore they dump random metal scrap in/on the guns to simulate what they see guardsmen doing when they reload, etc
Taken from the wiki, on Bolters and Bolts The propellant itself is shaped to control the bolt's direction and speed; however, this method of rocket propulsion would normally warp the barrel due to gas pressure. The Bolter uses an ingenious two-stage method to prevent this. As well as the rocket propellant, a small conventional charge is also utilised. This charge is strong enough to force the bolt out of the barrel at a significant muzzle velocity, and simultaneously ignite the bolt's propellant. The rocket-propellant is precisely fused to ignite immediately as the bolt leaves the barrel, alleviating any possibility of pressure build-up. The bolt then accelerates toward the target under its own power.
A Bolter Round can actually be considered a three stage round, as they're not only explosive, but have the 40k equivilant of a tungsten carbide core spike, that the explosion of the round is meant to propell into and through the target, while blowing off any kind of ablative or conventional armor.
Does that mean you have to feed your bolter very specific rounds? Like if I have an 18" barrel bolt rifle, then I would need 18" bolt rounds, and if I put in 9" bolt rounds meant for a pistol, the barrel on my rifle might explode?
@@Kevlin0069 I don't think you understood the nature of my question. Bolter pistols and bolter rifles are the same caliber, but bolts meant for a shorter barrel mean they have shorter fuse and might ignite the rocket while it's still in the barrel of a rifle, which would cause the gun to explode, by the explanation above. Don't ever question my devotion to the Omnissiah again.
@@11jerans Well luckily while that could happen, some tech priest was smart enough to standardize bolt barrel lengths. It should be said that it seems like every variant of boot gun also has a different kind of bolt shell, as in a different caliber almost, at least by that logic.
Out of all of the "expert reacts" videos out there, Jonathan is the best at this. Not only does he know guns and gun history, but he also knows games. He is able to look past obvious flaws and unrealistic things and focus on the "what if". He also never takes it *too* seriously, so we get a good show out of it too ;)
It does really give him yet another thing that sets him apart from others. It is fare more fitting to have a guns in games commentator who actually can add to the dialogue the possible reasons why there are inaccuracies for gameplay sake rather than just take it far too seriously and dismiss it as just "bad because inaccurate."
The biggest advantage of 1913 rails is durability, the primary disadvantage is weight. Its also easy to produce. If your an authoritarian empire that care more about your material than individual soldiers survival certainly the attractive option.
Well after the Dark Age of Technology and Age of Strife, I'm sure Mars discovered or rather rediscovered the lost technologies of picatinny rails and pump action shotguns among other things. I mean the Baneblade was based on an STC for a light tank from the Dark Age of Technology, and most technology that the Imperium uses is millennia old with no new technologies being developed or invented unless your name is Belisarius Cawl.
Flakfire on youtube and some guy on reddit both did excellent breakdowns. Some of them are "evolutions" of guns like the AR-15, AK-12, Kriss Vector, SCAR-H and Knight's Armament LMG
@@hakonandreasolaussen1949 Really? Sounds weird. I don't think anyone knew of the Kriss Vector back in 2006, when 2142 came out. I I don't remember any belt fed guns in 2142.
Pretty sure all of 2142's guns are 100% fictional. All of the ones I've seen in my brief research are absurdly bulky sci-fi guns with no real life inspiration, aside from maybe the Lambert Carbine which has an HK G36 optic as part of it's design, and the front end looks vaguely like a G36, but the rest of the gun is pure fiction.
I'd still like him to have a look at the weapons for titanfall, either 1 or 2. particularly the titan weapons, it'd be interesting to see what he makes of those.
bolters are hybrid, two stage as he mentions. In fact he perfectly identifies how bolters canonically work: the shell contains short range propellant, with the projectile containing rocket propellant and explosive charge.
He has t-shirts in the way Ian from Forgotten Weapons has hats- always wearing something interesting, never, ever mentions them even though you know, inside, he's bursting with happy pride 😊.
And also: - DARPA's wet dream - M79 firing person size incendiary thermite rounds - Heavy AR which can dump whole mag in one pull (but normally fires 3-round burst. Yes, Helmlok from lore point can dump whole mag in one trigger press)
You're dead right about bolters being two stage - there was supposed to be an expelling charge. The caseless aspect I think just comes down to designers not understanding what it means or how to model it.
Most things in the 40k universe need to go through a slight filter of 'the writers don't always understand how things work,' but with a bit of common sense they check out.
also those giant soda can sized casings flying out looks awesome. theres probably a degree of testing where people think it's weird there's no casings coming out, as that's something even the mostly firearm illiterate have picked up on "gun go bang, case come out". People expect it. Then again, they also miss when it doesn't happen all the time in movies and tv so who knows.
From what I understand a bolter fires the round conventionally, mostly to overcome the gyrojet problem of low muzzle velocity, and then the rocket kicks in to give the projectile it extra speed.
@@Wanys123 Yes, if the health bonus from melee takedowns and invulnerability while doing so is justified in this game, it is because, if there is one thing the Emperor approves, it's GLORIOUS HAND-TO-HAND FACE-TO-FACE COMBAT hahaha
not to mention whatever the hell the Necrons are using, because you just cannot convince me that the word "gauss" has anything to do with green lightning
Also, the reason why primitive weapons like stub/autoguns still exist in 40k is not just that technology has been lost, but because they're so damn cheap and easy to manufacture even compared to common weapons like lasguns. Stubguns are about equivalent to WW2 era weapons, and autoguns are about equivalent to modern/near future weapons. Examples being heavy stubbers = Browning machine guns, stub rifles = M1 Garands, autocannons = 40mm autocannons, and autoguns being caseless assault rifles, or something similar. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
It's odd that some sources insist that autoguns are all caseless and the term "stub gun" differentiates the more archaic cased rounds, but then others (like this game seemingly) just define an autogun as anything that's capable of automatic fire. Which is odd, because the heavy stubber is pretty uniformly referred to as such even though it's definitely automatic.
Wouldn't it be funny that in the far future we adopted some new galactic standard for attatchemts but lost them in the age of strife, but were back to picatinny rails because some tech priest intern found an ancient stc for it and its all the imperium has.
I appreciate the fact that he's wearing a Ghost shirt with a chaos symbol on it while looking at warhammer 40k weaponry. [Insert obligatory heresy comment here, the Emperor protects and all that]
The Heavy Stubber is typically a crew-served heavy support weapon used to suppress infantry,from either a foxhole,a window,or a hastily raised sandbag barrier. The Heavy Stubber here in Necromunda has been modified to be used without needing to set it up. The orphaned sights are a holdover from the weapon's initial purpose as a crew-served heavy support weapon.
Jonathan, what you need to remember about 40K as a setting is that practicality is rarely the preeminent concern in manufacturing. A good touchstone might be the Chinese Warlord Era pistols your friend Ian is currently kickstarting a book about. The people making the weapons are largely just copying things from places and languages they don't understand, because someone up the hierarchy tells them to. The pointless hammers are like a Chinese Mauser copy's nonfunctional ladder sight- there because the design is 'supposed' to have them.
I mean, in regard to sights and anything Electronic, Warhammer 40k has gone through a dark age of technology, making mechanical sights alot more lorefriendly then most optics
Dark age of tech was a (questionable) tech boom, you're thinking of the Age of Strife in which warpstorms and a variety of apocalypses ravaged the galaxy and sent us back to the dark ages (figuratively speaking)
Actually the age of strife was caused by the fall of the aeldari and the birth of slaanesh. The dark age of technology was a period of immense technological progress which culminated in AI, and said AI rebelled and it took immense efforts to win against the men of iron. Hence why AI is completely banned and tech kinda stagnates.
What I love most about Jonathan is that he's a gamer too. I've seen so many experts react type videos that don't get rule of cool is a thing and that not all games are going for realism.
Yeah, but not actually a retcon! The idea that bolters are caseless is because in the 1st ed Wargear section, they were diagrammed out next to autoguns, which *were* described as caseless - with 50 round block "magazines", kind of like a G11 sort of thing? Bolts always had a case, and as of 3rd Ed explicitly had a kicker/starter charge in the case, supporting the rocket motor.
I just hope that the XM8 family makes a return. I'd rather have an XM8 than another variant on an AR-15, but maybe it's just because you see the AR-15 platform pretty much everywhere modern.
wow, he actually got the bolters firing system correct real fast, with the kick-off charge twostage system and all. amazing. edit: even the plasmas self-destructive skill.
From what I understand, Bolters work exactly the way you described. The initial casing launches the projectile out of the weapon and upon leaving the barrel the rocket kicks in and accelerates the round even more, and the explosive charge in the round is set on a small delay so goes off after it has penetrated a target. all of that would be pretty difficult to get across in a fast paced shooter like this so I dont blame them for going with "assault rifle but big and with HE rounds.
Who cares? Don’t children of today know you never use your actual birthdate on websites?We knew that when I was growing up during the dawn of the internet. As far as websites are concerned I’ve been 18 since 1995.
The tech and wealth strata in Necromunda, as in any 40k hive world, would be wildly divergent. You can go from scavvies at the sump of the hives, armed with pointy sticks up to fully power armoured top hive hive nobility with esoteric or xenos weaponry. So literally anything in-between is possible, hence some of the low tech, but serviceable, anachronistic weaponry.
To be fair on Pic rails, it's possible that they "came back" in M40 or M41 at some point. 40k is wierd like that where technology gets lost and re-discovered. They still use M2HBs by that point after all. Brass cases similarly could be the case where the gun originates from a planet that does not have the industrial base to produce caseless ammo for one reason or another and thus a local pattern of Autogun still runs with brass, copper or steel cased ammo.
And autoguns as well as stub-guns tend to be just that, local patterns and calibers that's been produced with little to no changes for as long as humanity has existed on the respective planet.
@@SonsOfLorgar Hell, there are just as many worlds in the Imperium, where you'll find people armed with flintlocks and others where the height of weapons technology is a crossbow
@@weldonwin which in itself would be a bizarre transition, going from spears and axes and bows to plasma and bolters and all sorts of crazy melee weps, and that's not counting if they're found to be a psyker, with the special weps psykers can use
"why we have got a pump action shotgun?" Because they got the stc with a pump action and are making it with a pump action. Same applies for anything "anachronical" Edit: I don't blame him in any way for not knowing that piece of particular lore.
Also because the design was so hardy, it was able to survive the Age of Strife. That's how we get the mix of high-tech with ancient. It probably also doesn't hurt that the people doing all the manufacturing literally worship old gear.
Eh I don't blame him. You have to be pretty far into the lore hole of 40k to understand the role of STC's and why the Mechanicus refuses to actually do research and improve designs. I remember when I was introducing a friend to 40k a decade ago I recommended Eisenhorn because it's obviously one of the best novels, but for him he was utterly confused because it asks you to understand so much of the lore. Reconsidered and decided to recommend Ultramarines and he instantly got it and eventually got in deep enough that he appreciated Eisenhorn too. tl'dr If someone isn't a fan or just has a very basic understanding of the lore certain parts aren't going to make sense, the stagnation of the Imperiums tech is one of the "problems" I see brought up on YT and 40k forums all the time by new players.
Didn't see it mentioned elsewhere but in 40k the term "Stubber" is used to describe typical ballistic weapons like what we have today Also some worlds in the imperium are so regressed that they genuinely use muskets
I'd *love* to see this myself. So many of the guns are very plausible looking, and then you get others that are just "wait what?" And that's part of why it's such a fun game.
there will always be brass cased ammunition in the 40k universe, mainly because of ease of manufacture, there will always be the materials to make conventional ammunition for the common citizen of a galactic empire.
Funnily enough in lore they explain why the bolsters have cases. The problem with a jet is the fact that it takes time to get up to full speed, and in the grim dark future that's to long so they have a booster casing on the back so in close courters combat you can still get a clean shot off!
1)bolter is indeed usually(at least nowadays, but mentions of too high velocity for proper fuze activation at close range were even in rogue trader) depicted as two stage autocannon. Basically small .75 rocket assisted artillery piece. Sadly devs rarely understand this, but hopefully after appearance of gyrojet in RE8 most people will finally understand what a gyrojet round is. I'm still baffled why haven't RE8 devs combined gyrojet ammo(gyrojet is an ammo type, not a gun, those guns were just testing platform) with Automag pistol for truly devastating "magnum". 2)that's part of 40k brilliance - for some reason authors had a spark of genius to admit that all sources in universe are unreliable, subjective, warped by thousands of years of oral history, misunderstood or simply unknown. So your head canon is just as much of a canon as anything else(as long as you don't disturb status quo). So it's actually okay for bolter to have cased ammo, partially cased ammo and caseless ammo at the same time because bolters is a wide term for family of firearms, not single model. It may differ wildly in production quality, place and even era. 3)studders are anything below 80's firearms tech, autoguns are "modern plus".
I think with autoguns/stubbers it's important to remember that they're generally a wasteful stop-gap measure for people who can't get their hands on military grade hardware (or in the case of less fortunate guard regiments, where the munitorium forgot to send you any), given the standard rifle of the imperium's military is a recoil-less rilfe with stopping power equivalent to or above that of an AR15- significantly above when faced with orks, as you need to incinerate them to prevent spore-release- and effectively unlimited ammo (as it only takes sunlight and about a day to re-charge a las-gun power pack).
@@reganator5000 depends on autogun. Usually IG autoguns are described as "less penetration, more wounds" type of weaponry and the reason Administration prefers lasgun is solely ammo logistics. But when you invade Imperial planet and they don't need to haul ammo with spaceships, now magdumps with autoguns is all the more frequent sight. Technically bolters, magnetic accelerators and other such firearms are also in category of autoguns ie advanced firearms. Bolter name just sticked to a particular model like Xerox or Google.
@@TheArklyte They are preferred by the PDF, who have an easier time resupplying autoguns for the exact opposite reason that the lasgun is preferred by the astra militarum/guard. PDF are guaranteed to have access to an established supply chain, but need a weapon that can be supplied locally, given the adeptus' tendency to go 'wait, did anyone hear what happened to Ovalon IV, only they forgot to file their tithe report' ten years after the place was wiped out. Obviously, that means you need a weapon that is relatively simple to manufacture, which autoguns apparently are, rather than the guard who need to have a weapon that's still fine using its original power-packs five years after getting to Ovalon IV, which seems to have been suffering a minor fungus problem that killed all the previous inhabitants and is now driving big red teleporting trucks around the steppe. Edit: not that autoguns are simple by our standards, they just rely on less mechanicus tech sorcery (because if there's one thing the mechanicus never forgot how to make, it was power supplies) and more on conventional physics.
In 40k it's a little more reasonable to have low-tech weapons than in other sci-fi universes, since technological progression is kind of dubious and a lot of stuff has regressed significantly, with the level of technology differing greatly between planets, some still being in the literal stone age.
Every time I watch one of these, I love this guy more and more! Really cool! I've said it before, but I would love to see him discuss the Doom franchise.
7:30 Present day firearms have their own designation in 40k, they're stubguns and generally can't do anything to common body armor, then you have auto-guns which are everything that a present day firearm would be but using all technological advancements available from last 30 thousand years of weapons development. These are the bread and butter of anyone able to get their hands on a weapon.
I would really love to see a reaction to the guns, jams, and catastrophic failures of Far Cry 2's weaponry. I think even lefty guns aside he will enjoy those details a ton!
Warhammer nerd here for the lore. "Autogun" refers to any brass firing gun like we have nowadays. They are used because at this point we have such experience in making them they are dirt cheap. This is a timeline where laser weapons are considered cheap so imagine how many of these we can push off a fully automated assembly line.
In 40k univerese where is almost only degradation, and any invention looked down upon as heresy (and inventor usualy being killed by fire) any old pieces of technology worth thousands of lifetimes earnings, because its holy, its already been used and user were not possessed by demons. So that there might be realy old looking designs in WH 40k
they hadn't that mutch left in termes of Weapon tecnology after the Age of Strife to beginn with, as all the complex and powerfull weapons of humanitys golden Age were lost, due to the lose of knowledge. Only the Weapons that adher to the logic of "tried and Tested, easy to build, easy to maintain, cheap to produce, not relyant on special energy sources, etc. stayed popular during the age of Strive and got thougth to the Age of the Imperium. So they started of with Tecnology from the 15 or so Millenia at most, didn't Invent alot besides the Bolter, and lost mutch of what they still hade in the Last 10Millenia.
In necromunda most of the guns are craft made copies of military arms similar to guns made in Brazil or the Khyber pass today so them been a bit strange fits.
I think you can't exactly gauge the weapons with a mind to them being futuristic or not, since the whole deal with the setting is that technology once was much further progressed 30,000 years ago in the "dark age of technology" and in the millennia since there has been a whole lot of decay with some societies regressing to more primitive technology and some maybe going through multiple cycles of buildup and regression. Although from that perspective the weapons don't seem as eclectic as they should. You'd probably have an easier time judging the weapons of Valkyria Chronicles
Valkyria 1 and 4 have very interesting and inspired weapons (not to mention the vehicles), and both games are very accessible for review. 2 and 3 are a bit trickier since both were PSP titles and one never released outside of Japan
Ide love to see him talk over 40k lore with him. A lot makes much more sense once you understand the background. Like the presence of archaic guns. Your in an under hive, old designs will be the norm. The nice future toys are mostly in the hands of the real military forces.
Great video. Something to consider with 40K: I think depending on which military branch, location or STC you get your weapons from you could get any number of possible weapons with the same name. Your bolter could be different from one on the opposite side of the planet, never mind the galaxy.
Has John reacted to the weapons from the Halo universe? It'd be interesting to see his reactions to the UNSC and Covenant weapons. (Forerunners don't count)
You Pretty much hit the Bolt on the head (ha!) With thoughts on how Bolters work. It is two stage igniton. The initial bast causes massive exeleration out of the smoothbore barrel with the rockets imparting the spin needed for accuracy. (To be fair, I don't know if they ignite inside the barrel or after leaving the muzzle.) It's a work around to the horribly meager muzzle velocity of the gyroget weapons. (I think it takes something like 10 meters to reach the velocity of a 45acp.)
@@SonsOfLorgar I thought it was smoothbore. As y'know why would it need to waste potential energy engraving rifling into the rocket as it is fired if the rockets cause the same effect a few meters after leaving the weapon.
@@dd11111 because if the spin isn't already there to stabilize it, it's likely to take off like a whizz bang firework when the rocket ignites since the projectile has no fins.
Bolters aren't ceaseless per say, they utilise a small conventional charge in the case which provides enough kick to get it out of the barrel the case ejecting to the side. Once clear of the barrel the rocket ignites propelling the miniature missile 'or bolt' to target. The .50-75 cal bolt itself consisting of a armour pericing mass reactive tip set to detonate the explosive core of the bolt a millisecond later inside the target. Why would you ever need a weapon of such insane lethality you may ask... Welcome to 40k!
I love, love, love this Mr. Ferguson man. He's not only extremely knowledgeable in the historical firearms department, but he is also knows alot about games and their development. I can tell this man has played his fair share of tabletop and video games. Keep it up Jonathan!
Afrer memtioning the Nerf Maveric, now I really want to see Jonathan react to/examine some nerf guns. 'Cause some are really quite interestingly complex)
Look at this guy, just casually wearing a ghost tee, being a weapons expert and keeper at the royal armouries. What a cool life! (not suggesting that guns are cool for what they do, but it is cool to know about them from a craft perspective. What a cool guy is all I'm saying!)
In the dark ages of WH40K (circa 1989), a stub guns and autoguns were variations of contemporary firearms that lasted into the forty first millenium, because they were easy to manufacture and cheap. A heavy stubber is the 40K equivalent of a contemporary general purpose machinegun.
@@DavidCowie2022 and, the Ak4, Ak5, GRG, KSP-58 and the 6.5mm mauser are all really fun to shoot irl. The Glock17, not so fun imo. I found the G17 too light in the frame for the 9×19mm m/39B cartridge I was provided with bybthe owner of the gun to test it at a firing range. (I used to compete at amateur level pistol sports about a decade ago) The m/39B was developed as a +P+ cartridge for the Kpist m/45 with a harder copper alloy jacket and a hotter powder load than the international standard for 9×19mm parabellum FMJ in order to defeat the improvised body armor and steel lined civilian vehicles used by the Katangan militia and mercenaries in the Congo crisis.
I'm so happy your making fun of the double drum barrel 40 round pump shotgun. That was the one that I was like where on earth did this ridiculousness come from. I love how it blocks the whole screen when you are reloading as well
"... or a Nerf Maverick."
Ok, he really is an expert of the field.
I really hope they do an episode where he reacts to nerf guns. Cause some of those are way more complex and interesting than you'd first think)
I have one on top of my shelf when he mentioned it i looked over to it and just giggled
A REAL MAN OF CULTURE!!!
I could've swore he mentioned that the Royal Armouries made a temporary Nerf section before as like an April Fools Day joke.
What I like the most about this series is that he's a gamer, too. He's not so uptight that he doesn't realize that if you're not ARMA you don't need to be hyper-realistic.
"I'm still confused as to how bolters as supposed to work in the 40k universe." So are the characters in the 40k universe.
"YOUZ TAKE DIS 'ERE BOX AN' YOU FILL 'ER UP WIV DESE 'ERE NUTS AN' BOLTS, GIT TO IT YA FILTHY GROTZ" -Ork Mekboy
@@LRJ88 sounds legit
Please remember that there are multiple variants or patterns of bolters, in 40K, astartes grade, human grade, and then the dozens of different forge world patterns for it, none of them are standardized as each pattern has something different, whether that be bolt round calibers, or visual styles. This leads to a lot of confusion to the fans. For example the Dark Angels use the Their own special pattern of Boltgun, as do the blood angels.
@@sternguard8283 that sounds like a piece of lore added after the fact to justify lazy third party content creators.
Although it is totally warhammer esq, cause warhammer is a huge mess.
A psycker makes a pocket dimension in each mag and the shape of the mag only indicates how much there is inside.
40k lore book : Seems legit
I love how in context in 40k 'why are none of these silenced?' reason 'because it would displease the machine spirit' is a totally viable and thematic answer.
Or because it would spoil the intimidation factor of the weapons when used in the apparently standard Napolionic regimental battle line tactics that are in use.
A suppressor would anger the Machine Spirit! It likes it loud!
@@S0renz Tech-priest! I think this weapon was infected by Ork spores!!
@@TheSchultinator
You do realize that Astartes Bolters are loud for this reason as well, yes, Guardsman? But in their case each shot that rings out across the battlefield is a prayer to the gods of battle.
@@S0renz Yes, but this weapon is speaking brokenly, like an Ork, sir
Honestly the fact that Necromunda uses 40,000 old guns and attachment systems makes sense since Necromunda is basically the uber junkyard of the Imperium
Yeah I was gonna say that when he was bringing up how a lot of the guns have Picatinny rail‘s and look very similar to our modern guns, he hasn’t seen the official guns used by the Imperial Guardsmen or the Space Marines.
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Some of the denizens of Necromunda still use home-made Muskets, so it's not too much of a surprise to see janky firearms.
Not to mention that some of these guns were probably cobbled together from parts of older guns - or copied from cobbled together guns and slightly improved in the process.
@@TonkarzOfSolSystem That, and technology doesn't go in a straight line in 40k anyway, because humanity's tech base was shattered and is still being recovered, piecemeal. There are worlds that use single-shot laser rifles in Napoleonic formations, because that's what they know how to make here. Two systems over they've got machineguns, but still use cavalry skirmishers with SMGs and grenades.
Just please don't make him react to any Ork guns
No. Make him react to Ork Gunz!!
lol red makes explosions bigger
To be fair, a lot of ork guns are based on real, if not improvised, firearms. He could have a field day with that.
@@larsavaleth8151 AcTUalLy. red makes it faster, yellow makes the boom bigger and also a sign of wealthiness.
@@MrRandolium lol i think the point of the joke still stands
Did not think I'd ever see Johnathan cover 40k weapons, but man this was exactly what I wanted! One thing you have to remember is that 40k is a post-post-post-post-post-post-post-post-apocalyptic setting. Every type of apocalypse has happened already, and mankind has advanced to future tech and been knocked backwards thousands of years countless times, to the point where the Mechanicus (space scientists/technicians/engineers) barely understand any of the equipment they maintain or produce, but instead rely on automated foundries from milennia past to 'print' old tech templates for them (standard template constructs). That's why tech isn't universally advanced, much of it has been lost or destroyed along with the means to make and understand it.
Edit: if you wonder why the Mechanicus haven't just made new tech over all this time, also consider that mankind's creations have often gotten out of control and almost wiped us out several times. The Men of Iron was a skynet-eque apocalypse where AI turned against us en masse for example. So 'unsactioned' innovation is seen as dangerous, and due to the lack of understanding, the mechanicus culture is like a religion that worships machines, data, technology and electrical engineering. So Innovation is also seen as heretical as well as potentially dangerous, further stagnating progress.
Now I love 40k even more
I dont really know much, but damn that's cool
One other important bit to remember is the comically ultra-conservative nature of the Imperium, which means, even though they frequently encounter advanced Alien tech which COULD be beneficial to them, and COULD move them forward technologically, they basically hamstring themselves by considering it heretical to do so, unless studied by the tech priests of the Mechanicus, and they aren't the most forward-thinking or enquiring of minds.
So while they do occasionally adopt or adapt tech, it's an absolute rarity... except when it suddenly isn't and everyone pretends as though they've had the stuff all along because everyone thinks in almost Orwellian terms of "whatever I'm told today must be the truth, because I'm being told it today. Yesterday's truth never happened."
As such, it is highly likely that the T'au, for example, HAVE got far more advanced stuff, like attachment systems, but the Imperium will probably never adopt it because HERESY! but equally may suddenly adopt it but then claim they've always used it.
That's the fun thing about 40k as a universe- you can pretty much explain or excuse ANYTHING if you come at it from the right angle. It's a universe built on making exceptions and then turning a blind eye to them, because it's so often seen from the peculiarly adaptable-but-rabidly-traditional view of the Imperium.
@@peterclarke7240 I actually just wrote a bit extra on my comment to explain the techno-heresy angle at the same time that you wrote this, but yeah they are also a rather scared/xenophobic bunch as you say, so they will often refuse to learn from alien tech too for the fear of it.
Nice one, good breakdown of why 40k's tech is so all over the place.
It's not like a religion worshipping technology, it IS a religion worshipping technology, complete with dogmatic schisms, backstabbing and everything else zealotry might do, including assassination and genocide, where a blueprint is holy scripture and anything produced from it a religious relic directly gifted by the machine god.
"We're cheating some physics there"
Bravo to the video editor who put that line over footage of the player double-jumping.
Lol! 10:25 for anyone wondering. :)
We are talking about a world that has Orks, Egyptian Terminator Robots and Daemons that break te laws of Physics so why wouldn't the IOM have stuff that does that too lol
It's warp... Stuff... Warp stuff, ohw Kay?
Look, don't ask so many questions, we need more Dakka!
I didn't say that, Mister Inquisition, sir... I DIDN'T SAY THAT!! AAAH
Imagine trying to tell that poor man that orks solved concealment, sound and muzzle flash, by painting them purple.
Not only the weapons but the Orks themselves.
and they only work because the Orks believe they do, which I think includes infinite ammo
@@neilmcdonnell2964 kinda but not really, they work because the collective ork hive consciousness has enough psychic power to make them work. also I think in lore they dump random metal scrap in/on the guns to simulate what they see guardsmen doing when they reload, etc
Taken from the wiki, on Bolters and Bolts
The propellant itself is shaped to control the bolt's direction and speed; however, this method of rocket propulsion would normally warp the barrel due to gas pressure. The Bolter uses an ingenious two-stage method to prevent this.
As well as the rocket propellant, a small conventional charge is also utilised. This charge is strong enough to force the bolt out of the barrel at a significant muzzle velocity, and simultaneously ignite the bolt's propellant.
The rocket-propellant is precisely fused to ignite immediately as the bolt leaves the barrel, alleviating any possibility of pressure build-up. The bolt then accelerates toward the target under its own power.
A Bolter Round can actually be considered a three stage round, as they're not only explosive, but have the 40k equivilant of a tungsten carbide core spike, that the explosion of the round is meant to propell into and through the target, while blowing off any kind of ablative or conventional armor.
Does that mean you have to feed your bolter very specific rounds? Like if I have an 18" barrel bolt rifle, then I would need 18" bolt rounds, and if I put in 9" bolt rounds meant for a pistol, the barrel on my rifle might explode?
@@11jerans What sort of noob tech servitor tries to load 9mm pistol rounds into a 7.62 rifle magazine? HERESY!
@@Kevlin0069 I don't think you understood the nature of my question. Bolter pistols and bolter rifles are the same caliber, but bolts meant for a shorter barrel mean they have shorter fuse and might ignite the rocket while it's still in the barrel of a rifle, which would cause the gun to explode, by the explanation above.
Don't ever question my devotion to the Omnissiah again.
@@11jerans Well luckily while that could happen, some tech priest was smart enough to standardize bolt barrel lengths. It should be said that it seems like every variant of boot gun also has a different kind of bolt shell, as in a different caliber almost, at least by that logic.
God, wearing a "ghost" t-shirt and calling it the rule of cool.
Damn one needs more curators like him.
I suspect there’s plenty like him, there is a minimum amount of nerdiness necessary to be a museum curator in the first place after all.
was about to comment about the ghost shirt
that’ll be all of us when younger people start to have positions like this lol
@Angry JayByrd daily reminder there are leftist firearm enthusiasts
Out of all of the "expert reacts" videos out there, Jonathan is the best at this. Not only does he know guns and gun history, but he also knows games. He is able to look past obvious flaws and unrealistic things and focus on the "what if". He also never takes it *too* seriously, so we get a good show out of it too ;)
And he can even go as far as "that's nonsense, but I think it's for gameplay balance". Top stuff.
It does really give him yet another thing that sets him apart from others. It is fare more fitting to have a guns in games commentator who actually can add to the dialogue the possible reasons why there are inaccuracies for gameplay sake rather than just take it far too seriously and dismiss it as just "bad because inaccurate."
I do find he strikes a good balance between 'this is a game' and 'serious analysis.'
I love how Johnathan always takes into account game balance and other aspects and not just judging based on real world counterparts
In the grim darkness of the far future, there are only piccattini rails.
The STC approves.
The biggest advantage of 1913 rails is durability, the primary disadvantage is weight. Its also easy to produce. If your an authoritarian empire that care more about your material than individual soldiers survival certainly the attractive option.
Well, strong enough to be used against the enemies of the Imperium of Man. And if they can withstand bolter's recoil, it's all fine
Well after the Dark Age of Technology and Age of Strife, I'm sure Mars discovered or rather rediscovered the lost technologies of picatinny rails and pump action shotguns among other things. I mean the Baneblade was based on an STC for a light tank from the Dark Age of Technology, and most technology that the Imperium uses is millennia old with no new technologies being developed or invented unless your name is Belisarius Cawl.
They still mass produce M1911A1’s and Kalashnikov variants as a matter of efficiency.
"...which is bonkers."
Gentlemen. Welcome to Necromunda.
Welcome to Warhammer in general
@@CallanElliott 'Rule of Cool' is an actual force of the natural world
@@petriew2018 and that force is the thinkin’ of da orkz
WELCOME TO ESTALIA, GENTLEMEN!
@@therasslintheatre2960 I SHALL NOT LIE, THE CHANCES OF YOUR SURVIVAL ARE SMALL!
((Wrong game, but anyway.
This man is so based. First words from him are "Finally we have a bolter" AND he's wearing a ghost shirt. This mans my hero.
With an overcharged plasma gun you can give away the location of your scorched remains
Never mind the small mushroom cloud that used to be the target you hit heh.
Allways fire overcharged. The Emperor protects.
I would love to see him do Battlefield 2142 from 2007. I always wondered what those were based on.
Finally a decent suggestion!
I have a feeling the standard assault rifle for the EU in 2142 (the SCAR 11?) would probably be somewhat based on the XM29 OICW.
Flakfire on youtube and some guy on reddit both did excellent breakdowns. Some of them are "evolutions" of guns like the AR-15, AK-12, Kriss Vector, SCAR-H and Knight's Armament LMG
@@hakonandreasolaussen1949
Really?
Sounds weird.
I don't think anyone knew of the Kriss Vector back in 2006, when 2142 came out.
I I don't remember any belt fed guns in 2142.
Pretty sure all of 2142's guns are 100% fictional.
All of the ones I've seen in my brief research are absurdly bulky sci-fi guns with no real life inspiration, aside from maybe the Lambert Carbine which has an HK G36 optic as part of it's design, and the front end looks vaguely like a G36, but the rest of the gun is pure fiction.
I'd still like him to have a look at the weapons for titanfall, either 1 or 2. particularly the titan weapons, it'd be interesting to see what he makes of those.
seconding this - love when he analyzes fictional weapons to critique their designs and titanfall has some really cool ones
I’ve been wanting that for months lol
Great idea!
Maybe they could do Apex instead, only because you have a better view of the weapons' details in that one though Titanfall would be awesome.
@@pewpew3125 I wanna see what he makes of the titan weapons. Or maybe just the titans themselves
“Pumping away” after talking about its… er… “phallic” looks… I see what you did there Jonathan haha
bolters are hybrid, two stage as he mentions. In fact he perfectly identifies how bolters canonically work: the shell contains short range propellant, with the projectile containing rocket propellant and explosive charge.
Jonathan has a Ghost shirt? Man he becomes better and better every day
He has t-shirts in the way Ian from Forgotten Weapons has hats- always wearing something interesting, never, ever mentions them even though you know, inside, he's bursting with happy pride 😊.
I'm now wondering if I saw him at one of their gigs in Leeds..
He once had an Alter Bridge tshirt so I'm almost not even surprised.
Although I feel like he was missing a trick by not wearing a Bolt Thrower one.
Can you really review any Warhammer product without at least one skull on your clothing somewhere?
Come visit Titanfall 2, we have:
Rocket guns that are actually caseless.
Holographic iron sights.
40mm cannon.
Plasma railgun.
Glorious game... In fact, I'm going to play it now :)
And also:
- DARPA's wet dream
- M79 firing person size incendiary thermite rounds
- Heavy AR which can dump whole mag in one pull (but normally fires 3-round burst. Yes, Helmlok from lore point can dump whole mag in one trigger press)
Masterpiece
And the Wingman's _hilariously_ bizarre reload.
Don't forget the TF1 guns like:
Gigantic electrolaser
Tripple barrelled grenade launcher
Litterally just a box full of rockets.
You're dead right about bolters being two stage - there was supposed to be an expelling charge. The caseless aspect I think just comes down to designers not understanding what it means or how to model it.
Most things in the 40k universe need to go through a slight filter of 'the writers don't always understand how things work,' but with a bit of common sense they check out.
also those giant soda can sized casings flying out looks awesome.
theres probably a degree of testing where people think it's weird there's no casings coming out, as that's something even the mostly firearm illiterate have picked up on "gun go bang, case come out". People expect it. Then again, they also miss when it doesn't happen all the time in movies and tv so who knows.
From what I understand a bolter fires the round conventionally, mostly to overcome the gyrojet problem of low muzzle velocity, and then the rocket kicks in to give the projectile it extra speed.
Honestly this guy is the only reason anyone watches this channel.
Yep im here only for Jonathan
Must be why these videos are getting more and more stupid with more and more completely irrelevant games.
Same
@@thealgerian3285 how are they irrelevant?
Yup, I think he's the sole reason the channel still have so many views.
This guy is so devoted to guns he reacts to everything that starts with the word gun.
Almost as if though they're his life's work or something
@@cottonballs185 I won't be surprised to know if he probably sleeping with em guns. But he is a good expert tho regardless.
"lazerguns, plasmaguns, regular guns..."
Let's not forget bioweapons, wraithbone, and literal junk that works because the users believe it does
and melee.... lots and LOTS of melee. The weapons of gentlemen.
@@Wanys123 Yes, if the health bonus from melee takedowns and invulnerability while doing so is justified in this game, it is because, if there is one thing the Emperor approves, it's GLORIOUS HAND-TO-HAND FACE-TO-FACE COMBAT hahaha
@@Wanys123 CHAINSWORD!
not to mention whatever the hell the Necrons are using, because you just cannot convince me that the word "gauss" has anything to do with green lightning
*cough* Gravgun *cough*
The “Stub Guns” that fire brass casings are cheap in the 40k universe
Also, the reason why primitive weapons like stub/autoguns still exist in 40k is not just that technology has been lost, but because they're so damn cheap and easy to manufacture even compared to common weapons like lasguns. Stubguns are about equivalent to WW2 era weapons, and autoguns are about equivalent to modern/near future weapons. Examples being heavy stubbers = Browning machine guns, stub rifles = M1 Garands, autocannons = 40mm autocannons, and autoguns being caseless assault rifles, or something similar. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
@@tau-5794 Don't forget also that they're used during boarding actions in space ships. They aren't powerful enough to go through the hulls.
@@tau-5794
Well.
Seems even more legit for the setting of Necromunda aka Gang violence central
It's odd that some sources insist that autoguns are all caseless and the term "stub gun" differentiates the more archaic cased rounds, but then others (like this game seemingly) just define an autogun as anything that's capable of automatic fire. Which is odd, because the heavy stubber is pretty uniformly referred to as such even though it's definitely automatic.
@@tau-5794 lasguns are not even used by civilians. At least not widely, it's purely army type weaponry.
Wouldn't it be funny that in the far future we adopted some new galactic standard for attatchemts but lost them in the age of strife, but were back to picatinny rails because some tech priest intern found an ancient stc for it and its all the imperium has.
Now this is one good plausible explanation
This is probably what happened. Imperium isn't exactly known for inventing anything
@@steelbear2063 The bolter, the bolter was invented by the Emperor (and by extension, by the Imperium)
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only picatinny rail.
GW, WRITE THIS DOWN, WRITE THIS DOWN!
I appreciate the fact that he's wearing a Ghost shirt with a chaos symbol on it while looking at warhammer 40k weaponry.
[Insert obligatory heresy comment here, the Emperor protects and all that]
The Heavy Stubber is typically a crew-served heavy support weapon used to suppress infantry,from either a foxhole,a window,or a hastily raised sandbag barrier. The Heavy Stubber here in Necromunda has been modified to be used without needing to set it up. The orphaned sights are a holdover from the weapon's initial purpose as a crew-served heavy support weapon.
Jonathan, what you need to remember about 40K as a setting is that practicality is rarely the preeminent concern in manufacturing. A good touchstone might be the Chinese Warlord Era pistols your friend Ian is currently kickstarting a book about. The people making the weapons are largely just copying things from places and languages they don't understand, because someone up the hierarchy tells them to. The pointless hammers are like a Chinese Mauser copy's nonfunctional ladder sight- there because the design is 'supposed' to have them.
I mean, in regard to sights and anything Electronic, Warhammer 40k has gone through a dark age of technology, making mechanical sights alot more lorefriendly then most optics
Dark age of tech was a (questionable) tech boom, you're thinking of the Age of Strife in which warpstorms and a variety of apocalypses ravaged the galaxy and sent us back to the dark ages (figuratively speaking)
@@Lord_of_Dread nerd
Actually the age of strife was caused by the fall of the aeldari and the birth of slaanesh.
The dark age of technology was a period of immense technological progress which culminated in AI, and said AI rebelled and it took immense efforts to win against the men of iron.
Hence why AI is completely banned and tech kinda stagnates.
@@TheSkipjack95 I didn't mean dark age of technology as a title like the age of strife, I meant it as a dark age of technology
And then, there are Space Marine helmets.
the sights on the heavy stubber are for its role as a tripod mounted infantry support weapon in Imperial Guard service, when its a crew served weapon
What I love most about Jonathan is that he's a gamer too. I've seen so many experts react type videos that don't get rule of cool is a thing and that not all games are going for realism.
Bolters do use a two stage system according to modern codex. Also those casings are engraved because each bullet has been blessed.
As far as I know Bolters have been retconned to be two stage weapons with a primary charge propelling the grenade while a rocket motor keeps it flying
I was pretty glad that he managed to figure that out
Yeah, but not actually a retcon! The idea that bolters are caseless is because in the 1st ed Wargear section, they were diagrammed out next to autoguns, which *were* described as caseless - with 50 round block "magazines", kind of like a G11 sort of thing? Bolts always had a case, and as of 3rd Ed explicitly had a kicker/starter charge in the case, supporting the rocket motor.
Well shit. This is short and sweet, and completely invalidates my two paraghraph explanation...FUCK!
@@dd11111 We've all been there Bub.
I hope you get him to react to battlefield 2042 when gameplay is revealed
He won't be able to react because the camera will switch every half-second to sync up the gunshots with the drums.
@@PonkeyPoe They're gonna have get some great gameplay on their own.
I just hope that the XM8 family makes a return. I'd rather have an XM8 than another variant on an AR-15, but maybe it's just because you see the AR-15 platform pretty much everywhere modern.
Wait until Beta, so most weapons will be available.
Jonathan describing things as ‘very metal’ has brought me joy today
wow, he actually got the bolters firing system correct real fast, with the kick-off charge twostage system and all.
amazing.
edit: even the plasmas self-destructive skill.
You better be paying Jonathan well for all this sweet, sweet content!
Quite sure he's just happy to do it to help out the museum and spread the knowledge and history of firearms.
@@KaimpsTV he’d probably be making these videos even if nobody paid him.
@@borismuller86 He made videos for the Royal Armouries.
The old "we'll pay you in exposure"
Jonathan wearing that Ghost shirt just got more of my respect
From what I understand, Bolters work exactly the way you described. The initial casing launches the projectile out of the weapon and upon leaving the barrel the rocket kicks in and accelerates the round even more, and the explosive charge in the round is set on a small delay so goes off after it has penetrated a target.
all of that would be pretty difficult to get across in a fast paced shooter like this so I dont blame them for going with "assault rifle but big and with HE rounds.
I love hearing Jonathan nerd out about, not only firearms, but video games he likes as well. He's a perfect fit for this series.
My mans back only person keeping this channel alive.
Literally only Vids I watch on this channel
"Firearms"
"*Title of shooter-game*"
"Guns"
"Intended for mature audiences"
Yeah what a surprise.
Lol
Huh?
Who cares? Don’t children of today know you never use your actual birthdate on websites?We knew that when I was growing up during the dawn of the internet. As far as websites are concerned I’ve been 18 since 1995.
The tech and wealth strata in Necromunda, as in any 40k hive world, would be wildly divergent. You can go from scavvies at the sump of the hives, armed with pointy sticks up to fully power armoured top hive hive nobility with esoteric or xenos weaponry. So literally anything in-between is possible, hence some of the low tech, but serviceable, anachronistic weaponry.
16:01 That ”*THUMP* *THUMP* *THUMP* *THUMP*” sound! Such a pleasing sound! 😍
To be fair on Pic rails, it's possible that they "came back" in M40 or M41 at some point. 40k is wierd like that where technology gets lost and re-discovered. They still use M2HBs by that point after all. Brass cases similarly could be the case where the gun originates from a planet that does not have the industrial base to produce caseless ammo for one reason or another and thus a local pattern of Autogun still runs with brass, copper or steel cased ammo.
And autoguns as well as stub-guns tend to be just that, local patterns and calibers that's been produced with little to no changes for as long as humanity has existed on the respective planet.
@@SonsOfLorgar Hell, there are just as many worlds in the Imperium, where you'll find people armed with flintlocks and others where the height of weapons technology is a crossbow
@@weldonwin or the locals are Stone Age...
@@CorvusCorone68 That too, though some of those Stone Age worlds may be Space Marine homeworlds
@@weldonwin which in itself would be a bizarre transition, going from spears and axes and bows to plasma and bolters and all sorts of crazy melee weps, and that's not counting if they're found to be a psyker, with the special weps psykers can use
damn he has a ghost shirt, sick
Another reason to like him
"why we have got a pump action shotgun?"
Because they got the stc with a pump action and are making it with a pump action.
Same applies for anything "anachronical"
Edit: I don't blame him in any way for not knowing that piece of particular lore.
Also because the design was so hardy, it was able to survive the Age of Strife. That's how we get the mix of high-tech with ancient. It probably also doesn't hurt that the people doing all the manufacturing literally worship old gear.
In new Necromunda tabletop there is also pump-action rifle exists.
Eh I don't blame him. You have to be pretty far into the lore hole of 40k to understand the role of STC's and why the Mechanicus refuses to actually do research and improve designs. I remember when I was introducing a friend to 40k a decade ago I recommended Eisenhorn because it's obviously one of the best novels, but for him he was utterly confused because it asks you to understand so much of the lore. Reconsidered and decided to recommend Ultramarines and he instantly got it and eventually got in deep enough that he appreciated Eisenhorn too. tl'dr If someone isn't a fan or just has a very basic understanding of the lore certain parts aren't going to make sense, the stagnation of the Imperiums tech is one of the "problems" I see brought up on YT and 40k forums all the time by new players.
Also pump action shotguns are eternally cool
I’ve always loved that there is actually an explanation for anachronistic designs or technology rather than just ‘because shut up’
Didn't see it mentioned elsewhere but in 40k the term "Stubber" is used to describe typical ballistic weapons like what we have today
Also some worlds in the imperium are so regressed that they genuinely use muskets
The guns of Destiny are something that Jonathan really needs to react to. They are rather unique.
And many of them look absolutely great until you actually LOOK at them, and then you ask "wait, how does that even work?!"
I'd *love* to see this myself. So many of the guns are very plausible looking, and then you get others that are just "wait what?" And that's part of why it's such a fun game.
@@peterclarke7240 you know the gif don’t you
Like the hand cannons, which are revolver-type weapons which have neither the functions or advantages of a revolver.
@@peterclarke7240 yep most of the pulse rifles can't chamber rounds without them taking 90° turns
there will always be brass cased ammunition in the 40k universe, mainly because of ease of manufacture, there will always be the materials to make conventional ammunition for the common citizen of a galactic empire.
"But what do I know?"
- The Firearms Expert
The more you know - the less you think you know.
someone seriously needs to hire this guy for advice on weapon design. love this guy
Funnily enough in lore they explain why the bolsters have cases. The problem with a jet is the fact that it takes time to get up to full speed, and in the grim dark future that's to long so they have a booster casing on the back so in close courters combat you can still get a clean shot off!
Even in the real world that initial low velocity with the Gyrojet was a major failing. The way the bolter does it is the only way really.
2:30 the ghost bc shirt makes jonathans status as a legend and man of culture once more justified
1)bolter is indeed usually(at least nowadays, but mentions of too high velocity for proper fuze activation at close range were even in rogue trader) depicted as two stage autocannon. Basically small .75 rocket assisted artillery piece. Sadly devs rarely understand this, but hopefully after appearance of gyrojet in RE8 most people will finally understand what a gyrojet round is. I'm still baffled why haven't RE8 devs combined gyrojet ammo(gyrojet is an ammo type, not a gun, those guns were just testing platform) with Automag pistol for truly devastating "magnum".
2)that's part of 40k brilliance - for some reason authors had a spark of genius to admit that all sources in universe are unreliable, subjective, warped by thousands of years of oral history, misunderstood or simply unknown. So your head canon is just as much of a canon as anything else(as long as you don't disturb status quo). So it's actually okay for bolter to have cased ammo, partially cased ammo and caseless ammo at the same time because bolters is a wide term for family of firearms, not single model. It may differ wildly in production quality, place and even era.
3)studders are anything below 80's firearms tech, autoguns are "modern plus".
I think with autoguns/stubbers it's important to remember that they're generally a wasteful stop-gap measure for people who can't get their hands on military grade hardware (or in the case of less fortunate guard regiments, where the munitorium forgot to send you any), given the standard rifle of the imperium's military is a recoil-less rilfe with stopping power equivalent to or above that of an AR15- significantly above when faced with orks, as you need to incinerate them to prevent spore-release- and effectively unlimited ammo (as it only takes sunlight and about a day to re-charge a las-gun power pack).
@@reganator5000 depends on autogun. Usually IG autoguns are described as "less penetration, more wounds" type of weaponry and the reason Administration prefers lasgun is solely ammo logistics. But when you invade Imperial planet and they don't need to haul ammo with spaceships, now magdumps with autoguns is all the more frequent sight.
Technically bolters, magnetic accelerators and other such firearms are also in category of autoguns ie advanced firearms. Bolter name just sticked to a particular model like Xerox or Google.
@@TheArklyte They are preferred by the PDF, who have an easier time resupplying autoguns for the exact opposite reason that the lasgun is preferred by the astra militarum/guard. PDF are guaranteed to have access to an established supply chain, but need a weapon that can be supplied locally, given the adeptus' tendency to go 'wait, did anyone hear what happened to Ovalon IV, only they forgot to file their tithe report' ten years after the place was wiped out. Obviously, that means you need a weapon that is relatively simple to manufacture, which autoguns apparently are, rather than the guard who need to have a weapon that's still fine using its original power-packs five years after getting to Ovalon IV, which seems to have been suffering a minor fungus problem that killed all the previous inhabitants and is now driving big red teleporting trucks around the steppe.
Edit: not that autoguns are simple by our standards, they just rely on less mechanicus tech sorcery (because if there's one thing the mechanicus never forgot how to make, it was power supplies) and more on conventional physics.
The BEST expert ive seen on this channel. Brutal Honest
In 40k it's a little more reasonable to have low-tech weapons than in other sci-fi universes, since technological progression is kind of dubious and a lot of stuff has regressed significantly, with the level of technology differing greatly between planets, some still being in the literal stone age.
Love the maverick reference that’s my childhood there lol 😂
Every time I watch one of these, I love this guy more and more! Really cool!
I've said it before, but I would love to see him discuss the Doom franchise.
Its actually stated a few times in the novels that all autoguns (at least the ones used in the unification wars) were caseless.
Unification war autoguns are more high tecn then 40k ones to be honest.
He's a 40k nerd too.
What a legend.
Ok he is reaching top levels of my favorite gun experts. He has a freaking Ghost shirt on! He'll yeah
he has a Ghost band shirt... OMG this guy keeps being awesome! !
7:30 Present day firearms have their own designation in 40k, they're stubguns and generally can't do anything to common body armor, then you have auto-guns which are everything that a present day firearm would be but using all technological advancements available from last 30 thousand years of weapons development. These are the bread and butter of anyone able to get their hands on a weapon.
Holy shit, Jonathan's wearing a Ghost t-shirt. That's awesome!
Hay mate what is ghost? Is it a comic or a metal band of some kind, i cant help but feel i seen it somewhere...
I thought the same!
@@conanholmes8620 It's a band
@@wikihowfrog9034 thank you kind person, now im off to listern to this band called Ghost.
@@conanholmes8620 hope you enjoy them
I would really love to see a reaction to the guns, jams, and catastrophic failures of Far Cry 2's weaponry. I think even lefty guns aside he will enjoy those details a ton!
I'm pretty sure some of them would give him an aneurysm though
Jonathan is so amazing and fun too watch, and the Ghost shirt! Big freakin' win!
Warhammer nerd here for the lore. "Autogun" refers to any brass firing gun like we have nowadays. They are used because at this point we have such experience in making them they are dirt cheap. This is a timeline where laser weapons are considered cheap so imagine how many of these we can push off a fully automated assembly line.
I'd love to see a reaction to the weapons of the bioshock series, upgrades included.
I'm a simple man. I see Jonathan. I watch and like.
In 40k univerese where is almost only degradation, and any invention looked down upon as heresy (and inventor usualy being killed by fire) any old pieces of technology worth thousands of lifetimes earnings, because its holy, its already been used and user were not possessed by demons.
So that there might be realy old looking designs in WH 40k
they hadn't that mutch left in termes of Weapon tecnology after the Age of Strife to beginn with, as all the complex and powerfull weapons of humanitys golden Age were lost, due to the lose of knowledge. Only the Weapons that adher to the logic of "tried and Tested, easy to build, easy to maintain, cheap to produce, not relyant on special energy sources, etc. stayed popular during the age of Strive and got thougth to the Age of the Imperium. So they started of with Tecnology from the 15 or so Millenia at most, didn't Invent alot besides the Bolter, and lost mutch of what they still hade in the Last 10Millenia.
Just want to Jonathan knows ONE THING : Thank you MASSIVELY to introduce me to Ghost !!!! THANK YOU JONATHAN!!!!!
In necromunda most of the guns are craft made copies of military arms similar to guns made in Brazil or the Khyber pass today so them been a bit strange fits.
I think you can't exactly gauge the weapons with a mind to them being futuristic or not, since the whole deal with the setting is that technology once was much further progressed 30,000 years ago in the "dark age of technology" and in the millennia since there has been a whole lot of decay with some societies regressing to more primitive technology and some maybe going through multiple cycles of buildup and regression. Although from that perspective the weapons don't seem as eclectic as they should.
You'd probably have an easier time judging the weapons of Valkyria Chronicles
Valkyria 1 and 4 have very interesting and inspired weapons (not to mention the vehicles), and both games are very accessible for review. 2 and 3 are a bit trickier since both were PSP titles and one never released outside of Japan
Go with the old stuff, much easier to have more primitive worlds produce them.
You really picked the right guy for this like damn i could listen to him talk all day
Fun fact: when the Gyrojet was innitially created, it was supposed to use a 2-stage system as well, but they couldn't get it to work.
If it hasn't been already done, I want him to react to Far Cry 3. The guns are pretty varied in terms of popularity and obscurity.
Yesssss more Jonathan!
Ide love to see him talk over 40k lore with him. A lot makes much more sense once you understand the background. Like the presence of archaic guns. Your in an under hive, old designs will be the norm. The nice future toys are mostly in the hands of the real military forces.
Great video. Something to consider with 40K: I think depending on which military branch, location or STC you get your weapons from you could get any number of possible weapons with the same name. Your bolter could be different from one on the opposite side of the planet, never mind the galaxy.
Has John reacted to the weapons from the Halo universe? It'd be interesting to see his reactions to the UNSC and Covenant weapons. (Forerunners don't count)
I'd love to see that. I actually think he'll react very positively to the og UNSC weapons, even the assault rifle
Yes, even forerunner weapons could be quite cool just to show off the concept
@@ARTEMISXIX MA5B is somewhat cheating physics tho
You Pretty much hit the Bolt on the head (ha!) With thoughts on how Bolters work. It is two stage igniton. The initial bast causes massive exeleration out of the smoothbore barrel with the rockets imparting the spin needed for accuracy. (To be fair, I don't know if they ignite inside the barrel or after leaving the muzzle.)
It's a work around to the horribly meager muzzle velocity of the gyroget weapons. (I think it takes something like 10 meters to reach the velocity of a 45acp.)
Lore-wise, the rockets actually ignite outside of the barrel
And the barrel of a bolter is rifled to provide the same spin direction and rotation speed as the jet nozzles of the bolt round
@@SonsOfLorgar I thought it was smoothbore. As y'know why would it need to waste potential energy engraving rifling into the rocket as it is fired if the rockets cause the same effect a few meters after leaving the weapon.
@@dd11111 because if the spin isn't already there to stabilize it, it's likely to take off like a whizz bang firework when the rocket ignites since the projectile has no fins.
"In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war..."
And picatinny rails.
Bolters aren't ceaseless per say, they utilise a small conventional charge in the case which provides enough kick to get it out of the barrel the case ejecting to the side. Once clear of the barrel the rocket ignites propelling the miniature missile 'or bolt' to target. The .50-75 cal bolt itself consisting of a armour pericing mass reactive tip set to detonate the explosive core of the bolt a millisecond later inside the target. Why would you ever need a weapon of such insane lethality you may ask... Welcome to 40k!
When will we have him reacted to the game Squad? It's a half realistic half casual FPS and the gunplay is very good in my opinion
thank god i'm not the only one who gets dirty thoughts from seeing the ballsack drum mags
I love, love, love this Mr. Ferguson man. He's not only extremely knowledgeable in the historical firearms department, but he is also knows alot about games and their development. I can tell this man has played his fair share of tabletop and video games. Keep it up Jonathan!
I'd love to see him discuss Halo weaponry! He mentioned it very briefly in this episode and I'd love to see him talk about it more.
Afrer memtioning the Nerf Maveric, now I really want to see Jonathan react to/examine some nerf guns. 'Cause some are really quite interestingly complex)
Ah but this is necromunda where scraps all you got. I could see iron sights surviving in such a place.
Look at this guy, just casually wearing a ghost tee, being a weapons expert and keeper at the royal armouries. What a cool life! (not suggesting that guns are cool for what they do, but it is cool to know about them from a craft perspective. What a cool guy is all I'm saying!)
In the dark ages of WH40K (circa 1989), a stub guns and autoguns were variations of contemporary firearms that lasted into the forty first millenium, because they were easy to manufacture and cheap. A heavy stubber is the 40K equivalent of a contemporary general purpose machinegun.
I see it as a “why fix what ain’t broke” situation
Whould be cool to see him react to Payday 2, Killing Floor 2 and/or Generation Zero
IIRC most of the weapons in Generation Zero are real world weapons with the names changed a bit, so he should have plenty of examples on hand.
@@DavidCowie2022 yep
@@DavidCowie2022 and, the Ak4, Ak5, GRG, KSP-58 and the 6.5mm mauser are all really fun to shoot irl.
The Glock17, not so fun imo.
I found the G17 too light in the frame for the 9×19mm m/39B cartridge I was provided with bybthe owner of the gun to test it at a firing range. (I used to compete at amateur level pistol sports about a decade ago)
The m/39B was developed as a +P+ cartridge for the Kpist m/45 with a harder copper alloy jacket and a hotter powder load than the international standard for 9×19mm parabellum FMJ in order to defeat the improvised body armor and steel lined civilian vehicles used by the Katangan militia and mercenaries in the Congo crisis.
"laser guns, rocket guns and probably more that I'm unaware of" let me introduce you to my personal favourite savior of commisars, the melta
I'm so happy your making fun of the double drum barrel 40 round pump shotgun.
That was the one that I was like where on earth did this ridiculousness come from.
I love how it blocks the whole screen when you are reloading as well