What happens if Metroid Prime 4 is a Switch 2 ONLY Title? (ft. Joey Ferris)
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Thanks to Joey for joining me! Do you think Prime 4 would really be Switch 2 only? If so how would you feel about that?
I think cross gen is far more likely.
@@AndrewTheBibleTeacher many would double dip
I give it a 1% chance of happening. I think Joey is spot on that the only way it skips Switch is that it just takes so long to develop that the Switch is irrelevant. I don't think that will be the case though because the release of MPR a year and a half after it was completed to me signified that MP4 hit a significant development milestone. It's release was phase 1 of the marketing for Prime 4. I don't think MP4 will launch with the Switch 2 because all signs are pointing to 3D Mario. That leaves Prime 4 to release either a bit before or a bit after the Switch 2 launch. If it's the former, they can easily provide a next gen upgrade. If it's the latter, they'll release it crossgen.
Nintendo isn't going to waste money and Dev power on a Dual release no matter how much the niche fans cries. NINTENDO doesn't even consider the idea that people might double and those people are even more niche
@@heyitsthatdog1576 If it releases before, it could be a Majora's Mask 3D kind of thing where the Switch 2 version does/adds something different that isn't present in the regular Switch version. Or something.
Huge fan of both Joey and You so Metroid Prime 4 with the two of you talking about it makes me the happiest person alive
Id prefer it to be on switch 2 only. Better system, better limits!
Same
Then your okay with limited sales potential
@DankMemeCenterX I don't think it would have insane sales even if it was put just on switch.
I just don't think the general nintendo fan I'd suited to metroid which is sad
There is zero chance Prime 4 will be switch 2 only. It's likely going to be a switch 1 game that eventually has a Switch 2 version but Retro have been working on this game for 4+ years and they aren't going to risk the game flopping by making it only available to Switch 2 owners.
Great video, I really like the format, bouncing ideas and thoughts of you two guys.
Nintendo really should of shown something even if it was screenshots, just anything really.
As for being a Cross Gen/Switch only/Switch 2 Only game I don't think in any world they don't release on the original Switch esp if Prime Remaster is any representation of 4. With it running so beautifully on the ageing System.
Baby Metroid lives could be lost in the process 😢
Great discussion guys! Really enjoyed this one.
Thanks Andres!!
Thanks, my man!
When Nintendo announced that they were rebooting Metroid Prime 4 development with Retro Studios back in 2019, I called it there and then and said it would be a Switch 2 launch title. It's becoming more and more likely now
You and everybody else. You’re not special
No way why would they do that to us?
@@gumpyflyale2542 we will most likely get Metroid Prime 2 and 3 HD remakes before the OG Switch loses support. But i'm certain Metroid Prime 4 is going to be a Switch 2 exclusive because they'll want it looking the best it possibly can graphics-wise.
@gumpyflyale2542 I actually think it would be a good thing, I don't think prime 4 coming to switch 2 wouldn't be a bad thing, especially since they did put a metroid title on switch
@@reggiega7989 I agree. It would be a good game to show off the Switch 2's new visual capabilities
32:30 imagine they just show the logo again but the "4" turns into a 2034. 😂
yes, a switch 2 only bet not only will they show the switch 2 at gamescom, they'll show MP4 alongside it as a launch title and exclusive.
I want some lunch titles, personally
@@gligarguy4010MP4 is a PERFECT launch title for the next title..
Prime 4 needs to be cross platform,but Nintendo needs to avoid having the game held back by the OG Switch,they really need the Switch 2 version to showcase the difference in graphics unlike most of the PS4/PS5 ports!
I agree, it’s super annoying to have silence this long about the game. How about an update? Especially since they just released Prime on switch. Show us something.
Biggest crossover in history 😂
Prime 4 being only on the Switch 2 (not crossgen) would be a massive mistake .
Prime 4 needs to sell a lot !
Nintendo are making more money than ever with the Switch, Mario & Pokemon films, Mario theme parks etc!
So no Metriod Prime 4 doesn't have to sell huge numbers for Nintendo. The reason it might only be available on the Switch 2 is to showcase the graphic abilities of the Switch 2.
The original Switch simply won't be able to do the AAA graphics that the Switch 2 can do.
Thank you Joey sir for saying that Nintendo should be embarrassed..
Naw. That was cringe AF. Joey is a clown 🤡
This man does not know a single thing about game development and what goes on behind the scenes but he's so eager to talk shit about Nintendo but with his pessimistic attitude. I'm tired of these entitled ass arguments.
Dude likes to have weird takes.
@@NuiYabuko it's all Nintendo's fault for why we are in this mess so why shouldn't I agree with him on that statement lmao or are you the apologists that love to suck on Nintendo's tits no matter how bad the situation is..
Hey, great discussion and thanks for bringing Joey to talk about Metroid Prime 4! Both make good points about the possibilities for the future.
As a suggestion I hope you could bring KiwiTalkz next, he's another great source of information of Metroid with his interviews of devs and artists that have worked in the franchise. That would be my trifecta of Metroid coverage.
And thanks for all your videos, you keep my Metroid flame alive.
What if the switch version will be done like the resident evil 7 situation? I think at this point that prime 4 will be a graphical showcase of their next console so no way it could run on switch at a nice resolution and framerate.
I don’t think enough time was spent discussing the possibility that’s it’s a Switch *1* exclusive release. If the release of Mario Wonder and Mario RPG buck Switch sales trends the way Zelda TOTK has, then they may see MP4 as another vehicle to bolster the sales of the existing Switch. I’m fully expecting a release sometime in 2024, and the reveal will happen depending on how late they want it release it on Switch. What if they decided for a next gen into 2025? Then it’s possible that MP4 becomes a late 2024 release.
I’m not entirely sold on a cross gen release yet (within 6 mos of each version releasing). The BOTW release was different scenario because the release options were an established WiiU base that wasn’t large, or gamble on a Switch release was was an unknown commodity following the WiiU. It made sense to release it on both. But now the Switch is an enormous 130 million unit install base and Nintendo has learned that remaster releases can be profitable as a re-release sometime after the original version released. Nintendo is too smart to pass up that chance.
Of course I’m only speculating. I could be wrong and been before. Nothing has stopped the Switch yet and MP4 is important ammunition for Nintendo.
Honestly I’d rather have Nintendo make MP4 be on the switch and the next console as backwards compatible.
Or possibly make MP4 play slightly better on the next console like they did with the 3DS and the New 3DS games.
Maybe Prime 4 is completely reinventing the franchise, like BOTW or something entirely different in general. Probably not, because…MetroidVania, but it’s possible.
I genuinely believe Prime remastered was a test run for Prime 4 and indicates that it will be on the original Switch as well as the next console. It was a way for the Retro team to:
1.) Re-familiarize themselves with the Prime universe, getting to know the feel of it again.
2.) Test out their latest graphics tech on the Switch hardware, to see if things would even be able to work and compete with the latest AAA games.
and
3.) Test the waters to see if people are still even interested in Prime. After all, the last one was years ago; maybe new gamers aren't as interested as they used to be.
I'm glad Prime Remastered was such a huge success, and hopefully it shows Nintendo and Retro that there still is a ton of interest in the Prime series.
The only way I'd be ok with it skipping switch is if the next console is vastly more powerful to the point where the graphics just would not work on switch
I feel that "Prime 4" will possibly have a different name, and be more of a Reboot than a continuation. It is likely to showcase the new power of the "Switch 2" for adventure FPS games.
Nintendo doesn't do reboots. It's all canon, however how wonkey.
I would like to see incredible graphics for this game and releasing it on the regular Switch would not give that. And what is most important for nintendo; selling switch 2 units or Metroid game copies?
All the hirings of people who worked on graphically beautiful triple AAA games leads us to believe Metriod Prime 4 will have the best graphics of any Nintendo game yet!
For that reason Metriod Prime 4 might actually skip the original Switch. As it isn't powerful enough to do it justice in the graphics department.
@@C--A Yeah so I don't see why it wouldn't skip this generation
Great video. You should make more of these together. Maybe one about the future of the Metroid franchise, where would you like it to go.
It's hard to speculate. The title was on the earnings report but no year for release. I say it will depend on when the next gen console releases.
One problem with a dual release strat, the next gen version will still be held back by the Switch version because the OG Switch cannot do advanced lighting, that's why Remastered has a new lighting system that is not dynamic (explained by Jack Mathews in a Kiwi Talks video, the console's graphic chip just can't do all the environmental effects and also dynamic lights at the same time). I can't really see Retro making a completely different lighting system for Switch 2, specially after so many years working with the older hardware.
Excellent video.
Hey @ruleof2review, what would be your recommendation for the order of games for someone wanting to get into the Metroid series. Should I start with the Prime series?
I get this question a lot. I would say if you’re a fan of old school retro games or side scrolling platformers a great starting point would be Metroid Fusion, Zero Mission, or Samus Returns. If you’re more of a “modern only” gamer then I’d say Prime Remastered or Metroid Dread. 😉
It's not...next
There will 100% be a switch 1 version. The game has been in development for freaking years, I assume on switch hardware and dev kits. I don’t think there will even be a switch 2 version UNLESS there’s no back compat then yeah probably.
The pain of waiting for this game to give us something is unbearable. Every day I type in Metroid Prime 4 hoping to see something.... Even just a screenshot... But Nothing! Good point if it is going to be next generation, they might not show it until they reveal the next generation console. Metroid is my absolute favorite franchise and Metroid prime is my favorite series in the Metroid Universe. It's painful to be a Metroid fan!!
13:06 A "Samus Returns situation"?
I pray that doesn't happen
@@groudonor12 What exactly does that mean, though?
130 million switch systems haven’t significantly increased the sales of Metroid games as they are still in the 2.5-3.5 million range. So, by-passing Switch for Switch 2 I don’t think would significantly hurt sales of MP4. Most interested in buying MP4 will also buy a Switch 2. I’d be fine with MP4 only on Switch 2. It would have a full new generation to sell to versus one that is on ending. Plus we get a better game. Having said that if it is a Switch only I’ll still buy it and I’m sure it’ll be great.
Wow someone who actually understands the reality vs what the fans want. We are too niche off a fan base for Nintendo to waste money on Prime 4 being a double release. Sure there are double dippers but those aren't many to justify it.
14:46 soooo if they do cross generation, maybe that’s why it’s been so long. They finished it a while ago, but have been basically upping the graphics and any other unique features on the Switch 2 version.
I could not agree more that this game should definitely be cross gen and hopefully if its backwards compatible you dont gave to pay for the better version similar to what the xbox series and ps5 do
we don't know if next gen will be a sales success going by Nintendos proven track record with going next gen it doesn't look good for Switch 2 or whatever it will be called so the safest thing for Prime 4 is to be cross gen
Here are my thoughts:
Keeping it as a Switch exclusive at first, but then re-releasing it on Switch 2 is the safest bet. If Prime Remastered is any indication of what Prime 4 will look like and how it will run on Switch, I think it'll be fine. Doing things this way will keep the promise of the game releasing on Switch, while still garnering purchases of the game on the Switch 2 down the line.
If they make it a cross-gen release at launch, that is okay, but I think it has the potential to lose them money, as Metroid is too niche and won't sell the console, which means it hurts the sales of the game too, so they may not go this route.
Lastly, making the game a Switch 2 exclusive is just a dumb idea. Personally, I don't have the funds to purchase a new console, so I am holding out hope it releases on the original Switch. Making the game a Switch 2 exclusive alienates all of the fans who want to buy it on Switch and it goes against their promise of making it in development for Switch. This choice will also tank the sales and the game will be a financial flop. Nintendo isn't dumb enough to do this... right?
Dude Metriod Prime 4 isn't going to release on the Switch then on the Switch 2 six months later lmfao!
Metriod Prime 4 will release on Switch 2 release date. It's going to be a big showcase that Nintendo can do amazing graphics.
If it also comes to the original Switch it will be a watered down version graphically.
They have been listing metroid prime 4 as a switch title alongisde their upcoming games whenever they release a new financial report, so it should be crossgen at the very least.
If Metroid Prime 4 ends up being a Switch 2 exclusive, I’m gonna be quite upset Ngl
Metroid Prime 4 should pull a Twilight Princess and release on Switch 2 first, then on Switch 2-6 weeks later
the game's release date is now August 26, 2193
It's not going to be because I preordered my Metroid Prime 4 when it first came up on Amazon in 2017 or so. That means I already have it locked in for a regular Nintendo Switch. Other content creators have said it could be a multi-generational game.
Why in the hell would you pre order a game that far out in development? It just doesn’t make sense. Stop pre ordering !
@GeorgeZimmermen because at that time Amazon had some deal where it was $39.99. That's why I pre-ordered...
I bought Switch not too long ago, because of Metroid Prime Remastered. It made me regret not buying Switch earlier. So this would probably be a reason for me to buy "Switch 2". I hope they release Prime 2 and 3 remastered for Switch as well. There's no reason to skip these.
10 yrs!!??😂😂😂 it's more than half way there
It’s still in the development vault.
According to the job listings, it looks to be pretty much done..
@@groudonor12 That means that Nintendo's waiting for the right moment to drop news about it.
@@TheRealRidley12yep
If its a switch 2 only title, and not cross-gen, and it comes out launch day and It's a PS5 situation where its impossible to get a console, meaning I cant play it, I am going to cry
Considering PS5 got launched during Covid, it should not be as hard to get the next Nintendo console..
@@groudonor12 True, but im still gonna worry about that until it releases
Personally I think we might lose a massive system on the Switch, like they made a forge mode/creative mode or PvP that needs the boost but will still release single player campaign on Switch.
I was more pissed waiting after super metroid. Super metroid left me foaming at the mouth wanting more. I was mad as hell during the n64 gen. If history has taught us anything Prime 4 is not coming to the switch.
Handhelds exist.
I'm not a fan of a cross Gen release for metroid prime 4 because that means we would have a downgrade version of this game on switch 2 because it has to release on both consoles. Better resolution and frame rate doesn't justify buying MP4 at full price on a switch 2 instead of the current switch. The only context for me in which MP 4 is allowed to release on switch is if there's 2 versions of the game that pushes both hardware at their limits
There are going to be more games for the switch 2 than Metroid prime 4
Hardly anyone's going to care about those games, at least not on the same level as MP4..
Imagine metroid prime that was supposed to be a wii u game gets to skip the wii u the nintendo switch and then get to be released on the nintendo switch 2?
no chance of that happening nintendo been working on the game for 4 years it will come out first for the current swicth
You want to play Metroid Prime 4 on a handheld only Nintendo Cube?
I doubt Nintendo would disappoint Switch owners twice with the same game. Metroid Prime 4 will most likely be a cross-gen game.
Uhh... Bayonetta 3 had performance issues and the graphics looked mid. So I'm certain an open area Metroid Prime 4 is going to have the same problems on Switch. We need Switch 2 asap!
Nintendo never said it was a Switch 1 Title.. the only issue then is, it's going to hurt it's sales, since Metroid has always been a weak seller.
Yes they did, during the reveal they said “in development for Nintendo switch”
@@TimDespairBear11They also said they restarted development as well, so they can cancel the Switch 1 version, but be a bad move.
It would be a better game for it. If Prime 4 is being made with the sole idea that it will be next Gen only, the Devs won't have to waste time or money trying to make a game that satisfies different generations. Lets be honest with ourselves, Metroid is too niche to be a Launch game and doesn't make enough for a Dual release. Everyone seems to forget that what we want, is different from what Nintendo wants.
If this game ends up not being good, Ninte do is going hear it for quite a while lol.
I have faith in Retro, especially after the Remaster. I just don't understand why Ninte do ever gsve another stupdio the job when Retro wasn't doing anything besides porting DKCR:TF to the system. What in the hell was Retro doing for all of those years? Were they working on a DK sequel? For them to sit stagnant for all that time was such a wasted opportunity.
Maybe it was a talent issue, maybe they had a bunch of game ideas/pitches that Nintendo didnt like. Who knows
0:09 obviously this is very young in the conversation BUT if the rumors are true that the carts might be using 3DNAND memory and a different shape, it makes it likely MP4 could be Switch 2 exclusive.
If metroid prime 4 was a switch 2 title, I would... have to get a switch 2. No questions asked. The switch is a weak console, It really needs a successor to take over so it can be retired. Tears of the kingdom should have been a switch 2 game, too. The low resolution physically hurts my eyes.
What's with the lack of video editing? You could and should just put like a podcast splash screen / backdrop or something instead of watching the same clip over and over repeatedly. I stopped watching and started listening but I would prefer to be more engaged. I M O
What happens is I buy a Switch 2 to be completely honest lol
What happens is prime 4 will sell bad and struggle to outsell dread because switch 2 wont have the install base and metroid is not that popular.
If the graphics are are good as anticipated then that will help Switch 2 sales.
Bring in some of the PS5/PC gamers to Nintendo who like AAA games with incredible graphics!
Metriod Prime 4 will likely sell more than Metriod Prime 1, 2, 3.
I thought rebooting in 2019 was a good call and I respected the transparency but at this point it’s time to shit or get off the pot. Show us something or just say it’s not coming. 4 years of radio silence is not acceptable.
The absolute max for sales prime 4 will sell is 5 mill units, terrible console seller
Anything sooner than March 2025 is a massive mistake from Nintendo for a new console release.
Im right there with you, I really don't see them dropping a new console anytime soon, especially with the world economy in the state that it is. The Switch is still going decently strong and in all reality..... the PS5/Xbox are basically just barely now getting games that aren't cross-gen (I'd still argue it really hasn't gotten better). With a Mario game coming this holiday, I don't see them launching next year unless they have a bad ass library planned for the first year of launch. It could happen, but I just don't see it.
@@randywilliams6248 Fire Emblem, Pikmin, Zelda, and Mario all have games this year - Splatoon 3 gets updates to the end of 2024.
So Nintendo's options for a 2024 launch line up would be... Star Fox, Donkey Kong, Metroid, F-Zero, Xenoblade, Kirby, and ARMS which none of that screams console seller; Kirby has a chance to do that, but mainly only in Japan.
@@MasterStaconaNintendo have been working on a 3D Mario game since after Mario Odyssey. So very likely a 3D Mario releases in 2024 shortly after the Switch 2 releases.
It would be the ultimate anti-consumer move.
People like to throw around that term A LOT when it's not applicable, this would be a situation where it definitely would be.
Then what would you suggest would be the best consumer-friendly move, while still being viable from a business perspective?
@@TheRealRidley12 Cross-Gen or a next gen patch (they seemed to agree in the vid too). Perhaps release it on the Switch first in the summer then months later have a Switch 2 version ready for that console's launch.
If BotW still made it to the Wii-U and Halo Infinite to the Xbox One, MP4 can still make it to the current Switch,
@@gligarguy4010 I suppose that makes sense.
No, it wouldn't.
Nothing happen.
I know it’s a 2d game but I think dread is the best looking switch game… followed closely by prime and Luigi’s mansion
I fully expect Prime 4 to be a Switch 2 exclusive. It’s obvious.
I wont buy it or the switch 2