Why Shipyards are almost IMPOSSIBLE to Capture | Star Wars Lore
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 12. 05. 2019
- We examine why its almost impossible to capture shipyards, like those at Kuat or Fondor, on today's Star Wars Legends lore video!
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#AskEck I feel like in-universe lore-wise that The First Order should be using Tie Hunters and Tie Scimitar Bombers as that makes more sense for their canon fleet doctrine...
Do you agree with this or not?
Can you talk about the Killiks. and their fleets and armies. As well as their Production ability. For Fleets and troops. :) They did start a Galactic war known as the Swarm Wars. :3
#AskEck
*Versus battle suggestion*
*Attempt 495*
Can you do the Forerunners vs Warhammer 40k factions list?
#AskEck what is the best imperial or first order TIE
#AskEck
Which is the best rouge AI character?
Shodan (System Shock), Skynet (Terminator), or Mendicant Bias (Halo)?
It's like trying to kidnap a man who can summon guns.
Or fighting a droid factory without jedi on your side.
Or getting high without the ground
Or living on a sand planet.
Or the Empire creating a capital ship with no obvious weakness.
Or getting caught in a trap.
This guy is great at explaining unlike other star wars CZcams channel who talk and talk and will not tell the answer
Most do stuff like âWE FINALLY HAVE AN ANSWERâ then in the video they say stuff like âwell we don't really know it's just a theoryâ
@Zwenk Wiel fuck off
@Zwenk Wiel you are forgiven my child
This channel is the best channel for Star Wars.
Stupendous Wave has to be the worst offender
Almost impossible? So you're saying there's a chance, right?
Thrawn battalion sized Commando Raid to to stealthy infiltrate to capture life support and defenses controls. Shut down life support, open all doors then unleash hell with the cannons.
Dumb and dumber love that movie
@@its_kenny9009 what if he shot me in the face?
@@romangeneral23 that was a risk we were willing to take
This comment...
*was so artistically done...*
Roses are red
War is an obstacle
Here's why capturing shipyards
Is almost impossible
Clever
Your Savior is here
rose are red
poems aren't cool
these comments are overused
so is your gene pool
@@Ben-li9zb Damn right buddy West Virginia born and raised
@@alexaasmr3035 Mountain Mama!
Military: Tries to capture shipyard
Shipyard: "We don't do that here."
Shipyard: makes its own military
Military: surprised pikachu face
Rebellion: we canât capture the shipyards!
Imperium of man: hold my beer
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Space Wolves! Prepare to board that installation!
Hey Grey Knights! I hear there's some demons on that shipyard.
@@SilverStarHeggisist Purge The Heretics!
Blood Ravens would just steal the shit out of them.
#askeck are there any intergalactic fast food restaurants in the Star Wars galaxy? Like an intergalactic chick fil a?
Day 6
Lol maybe a kfc to
Probably McDonald's.
Empire fried chicken/EFC
@blanca Rey salty
@@davepressy720 bet
I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say, I'm really happy to see someone making such high quality 'Legends' content, Thank you for fighting the good fight and keeping the EU in the conversation!
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Most of what was skuttled at Kuat was because of Kaut of Kaut, who didnât want either side to âdevourâ the shipyard, at least according to the Bounty Hunter Wars series.
That mando fap material, where Boba fought with remote controlled, unmanned star destroyers, hijacked from dock? Yea, great description of how warfare works in GFFA. ;)
Antoni Sauren I mean itâs probably part of what cemented him as such an OP character back in the day haha
House Kuat were Literally the Lannisters from Game of Thrones, so ridiculously wealthy and powerful that they were a superpower unto themselves, mixed in with that Reyne arrogance.
#AskEck
What was life on Coruscant like during the Reign of the Galactic Empire
Tim Bartsch in the lower levels, more or less the same. They say that the lowest levels are as far from Imperial influence as the planets in Wild Space
@@battlesheep2552
All right
It depended on your job, where you lived, and I'm sure other specific things.
Well, with stormtroopers on every street corner and their hoverbikes it was kinda stressful, but nothing that can't be healed by a pint of beer from tattoine's oasis in lower coruscant district 3-E
The lower levels even lower than that guy who mentioned the lower levels would ask what empire, what republic, is that the top side government is now ok and further below that is the levels near coruscants mushy polluted oceans/seas and monoliths holding everything up like hengsha from deus ex human revolution and the civilization of former residents turned mutants and foundation levels of which you cant access them unless your a highly specialized droid or got a suit on with all manor of resistances, a retooled rebreather to make the fumes/gas breathable and how anything survives down there is a mystery to me.
just ram a ship at light speed in it.... that's how things should be solved from now x.x
Too soon!
Rian Johnson ruined hyperspace
Actually, methinks: Why use a whole damn ship? Why not have a mass, mount it with a hyperdrive, and give it a CPU that can autolock on a target? aka a relativistic target-searching missle/ torpedo. Jump in, unleash the torps, jump out, wait, return for clean-up. It's not as flashy as dogfight-style "pew-pew" tactics, but it should be a lot more efficient.
Or is this a banned way of warfare in the Galaxy? Like ABC-Weapons on Earth?
@@schwarzeseis4031 Then the resistance committed a war crime
@@mariogonzalez4928 Nope, one Admiral did. And has faced the consequences already, so we should be good on the "legal" side of warfare here (which in my eyes is an absurdity, since war is the absence of peace, and peace is the rule of law over power -- imho).
When a commander wants to take a shipyard.
Others: that is Impossible
Thrawn: *clears throat*
@@robertagu5533 Thrawn:Reality can be what ever I want.
@@bryanmanuel4945 Thrawn: art.
@@mattstorm360 I'm afraid to google that.
I find your lack of faith disturbing
1:00 Rogue Squadron 3, right? Good times!
What's the other game?
Battlefront 2, I think.
Can you make a video about the state of the galaxy during the sequel era?
That would be cool to see
Good idea
@@EckhartsLadder and do you play star wars empire at war?
@@benalkoby2047 on his second channel and during streams
Well FO have probably captured the core worlds but the destruction of half of they're main fleet may change that
Actually it WAS DONE a few times with an ultra elite commando ( such as dark siths or jedi masters ) destroying internal defense systems and seizing internal facilities with tons of kolto supplies and equipments. So.... impossible no, but extremely difficult and the chance of the commando to get back alive are at best 5-10% but worth the risk.
Actually all u have to do is build 20 capital ships and press auto complete .
Ez
Mah nigga. Although the space battles were the best part of that game. I usually just auto completed ground battles
Which game are you talking about?
Empire at War?
WildGurgs36 yep, empire at war
Some anti starfighters and some "Big gun"s is all that it takes
Droidekas on the ground
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Thanks Jason, it really helps
@@EckhartsLadder No problem! By far my favourite youtuber!!!
Depends on the topic, but I usually like the video in the first couple minutes.
Wow. Thank you for answering! I was not expecting that. You made my day! I didn't know Dark Tide was supposed to be a trilogy.
I love your content, Eckhart! It's always fascinating to see what subject you're covering and what you have to say about it. Keep it up!
Taking shipyards by force: Difficult, nearly impossible
Taking shipyards through subterfuge: Much easier, still difficult... but much easier
#askeck is the basic language of Star Wars derived from Rakatan?
My thinking: since Rakatan empire was the first galactic empire and had over 500 worlds enslaved for generations. Over time the slaves learned the Rakatan language and therefore it became a language that all 500 world had in common.
Probably but it then also probably did what every other language did and that is over generations slowly changing its words and meanings so by the time they all discovered each other dialects would have been made and so more change and adaption would take place probably truly destroying the language originally
The old droids guarding the star maps in kotor spoke rakatan and when first encountered I think Bastila mentioned she recognised some used words and which seemed to identical to modern day words from the languages of the Selcath (fishpeople of Mannan) and Twilek.
@@leiferikson850 not exactly. The droid started randomly selecting languages used by the rakatan slaves. Each one being its own fully fleshed out language. If i remember correctly the droid stops when the party recognizes ancient selkath.
Although no doubt each slave species adopted a few words from their overlords.
@@ShadowsMentor Oh! In that case thanks for refreshing my memory and correcting me.
@@ShadowsMentor love how dat boi (Rakata Guard Droid) was just shlump for 25k+ years just waiting for some idiot to walk by and the OP, Lord, Emperor, God, Revan walks up and shits on its laser tube cannon. Dude must've been like:
*"Bruh, how many years it been ! I remember when this thing use to blow people's limbs off. Man just took a shot like Dwain Johnson at the doctors office !"*
Gotta say you're my favourite Star Wars youtuber. Also, your focus on Legends and ships/fleets has encouraged me to continue building my 31 inch scratch build Anakin Solo SD model.
Excellent video eck! I really enjoy these tactics videos, adds a huge amount of detail to Star Wars military strategy. Keep up the good work xoxo
Whatâs your favourite type and most logical type of Shipyard? ie: Orbital, ring, planetary based etc #askeck
Yes. That one.
yes
Meh... its too simple. Planetary shipyards are only ok if you cant get anything else. Ring shipyards are best because of orbital elevators, but insanely expensive, worth one hundred thousand ships or more, leaving only orbital, depending on how much money and tech you have.
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I've been wondering this for a while, thanks for clearing this up
I just found your channel a few months ago, and I think have gone through the entire library by now! LOL. I love your work and look forward to your uploads.
This is quite informative, this is something that should be incorporated into the Star Wars Remake Mod. Thank you Eckharts for putting the time and work into this video.
Every time Eck says "shipyard" take a shot
You will kill people.
I ran out of booze
Fondor: come for the planetary garbage patch stay for the ship yards
I love these videos i can't stop watching them keep'em up bro
A very extremely great video as always EckhartsLadder.
Since hyperdrives can go so far so fast, were there any explorations of neighboring galaxies? I seem to remember there was at least one expedition but don't remember what came of it.
Palpatin sabotaged it if I remember it correctly, so they didnt got very far. If you want to read more about that, here is a Jedipedia-Link: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Outbound_Flight_Project
If you had an FTL system capable of sending you from one side of the galaxy to the other in only one day, it would still take tens of thousands of years to reach another galaxy......
The jump in technology needed to go from an interstellar species (Star Wars, Star Trek, Warhammer 40k, etc) to an intergalactic one is greater than the jump needed to go from current humanity tech to that seen in SW/ST.
#AskEck
*Faction versus suggestions*
*Attempt 494*
Forerunners vs Warhammer 40k factions list.
The Borg (Star Trek Pre-Jaylah era) vs Necrons (Warhammer 40k).
Vitiate's Sith Empire (Star Wars the Old Republic) vs the Covenant (Halo).
The CIS (Star Wars EU/Legends) vs Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k).
The Tau (Warhammer 40k) vs Protoss (Starcraft).
The Yuuzhan Vong (Star Wars EU/Legends) vs the Alpha Quadrant (Star Trek post Dominion war).
Brother we will purge the enemy
The Borg would lose to the necrons simply because there is nothing to assimilate. They might do ok against the empire depending on where in the empire they strike, and which Borg faction is attacking
YES!!!! Be nice to cover some non star wars content
Stop.
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However they can adapt to Necron technology extremely fast.
I've always wondered why they never went after the ship yard. Glad you finally covered this topic.
I was geniunely curious about this one, thanks Eck
#askeck What are your thoughts on the comic book adaptation of the original rough draft of Star Wars by George Lucas? Itâs called The Star Wars and had some interesting differences with the actual movie such as Jedi and Sith having more of a rivalry than a hatred and the force being called the force of others.
Good list. Shipyards could be destroyed, I guess, with enough or the right type of space assets (rocket-propelled asteroids!), but taking them seems to mandate having possession of them in some level of functionality is hard. Ask the allies about the ports of Brest and Antwerp. Lots of equipment, time and lives were expended just to open a port to supply the advance east, only to find the port facilities badly wrecked and channels choked with wreckage and/or mines that had to laboriously cleared before the port could be used again by anyone. - - - Now imagine that on the scale of a planetary-circling shipyard like Fondor.
Well reasoned discussion, thanks
Love you channel man. I watch all the time :D
Or you could just steal all the completed ships from Sluis Van shipyard and then blow it up, like what Grand Admiral Thrawn tried
United Mass Effect galaxy + Reapers vs a Yuzhan Vong invasion (Star wars).
Good Day Justin....I love your vids. I started reading Star Wars books in the 80s and a lot of things you address in your vids are things I have been pondering for 30 years. It's great that technology has provided a platform to publicly discuss what we geeks discussed privately back then...after all, back then being a geek wasn't cool. Keep up the excellent work.
Thanks Bob Barker! And this is probably why I've never seen more realistic sci-fi try and capture shipyards.
Why not hammer the shipyard continuously with ion weapons? I'm not especially familiar with the weapons or their limitations; my knowledge begins and ends with the fact that they knock-out electrical systems. I assume you'd need a big ion cannon to do it--one like the Malevolence had--but you could basically keep hitting it over and over again to keep the life support systems offline, effectively asphyxiating all personel on the orbital stations.
life support systems probably have independent power grid backups maybe even their own small reactors for that very reason. Atmo systems might even be EM hardened, Ion Cannons come off as an EMP gun and odds are anything insulated from the hull could be isolated from ion cannon effects.
@@filanfyretracker Dude, my primary weapon of war will always be Seismic Charges. Those things give zero fucks about shields, hull density, and energy output. They just cut through everything. If one of those things can slice an asteroid the size of a cruiser clean in half then I don't know what your 4m thick hull is gonna do when several of the detonate đ
@@blackshogun272 well considering that Warhammer Battleships survive being shot by weapons throwing shells the size of a small house at just shy the speed of light.
#Askeck can you do Androids/Cyborgs compare?
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Skynet
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Skynet will terminate you, pathetic organics
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Youâre a lucky man, Eckharts. Your video gave me a masterclass ad and I watched the whole damn thing
Straight to the point on the thumbnail, I like it.
Should you attack a shipyard? In the wise words of obi wan âDonât try itâ
according to the transcripts you said shipyard/shipyards approximately 29 times
I mean...it is a video about shipyards.
Edit for spelling.
Your intro music is so soothing.
Ech is over here taking lessons from the great Bob Barker and Now the fluffy Drew Carry
Vs Machup
Spartan 2 vs Tyrannosaurus Rex
(Bare Handed)
Spartan II gets an easydub
#askeck
Why was the highground such a powerful ancient jedi stance,and who was the first master to unlock its power?
Awesome video
This was the subject I second guessed over. Thanks for doing the one I should have voted for in the first place Eckhart.
Next New Republic capital ship will be moving shipyard,maybe even a fleet of them!
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#AskEck can you please do a starship versus such as Nebula class star destroyer vs Resurgent class star destroyer
In terms of armaments, the Resurgent has over 10 times the amount of turbolasers and missile launchers(although the new canon does not go over what type of turbolaser does the ship have or most of the important detail for that matter). Fighter-wise, the Reurgent carries over twice as many fighters but since they're over-glorified TIEs, it balances out.
thank you for providing an interesting answer to a question I never asked.
You mentioned breaking up the station which got me thinking. What if the orbital ring Stations were broken into a few sections by the assaulting fleet and towed away, out of orbit and away from the planet? This would safely allow the station to be taken over and probably even force a surrender by the defenders as their supply lines would be cut off. I'm assuming that the platform wouldn't be tremendously difficult to put back afterward...
If capturing enemy shipyards is so tough, then your enemies should just settle for destroying them.
It all depends does METTTC warrant it. Mission Enemy Terrain Troops and Support Available Time and Civil Considerations.
Also sometimes depending on your force requirements taking a shipyard though difficult might be major priority because of lack of resources of youe own.
@@808INFantry11X yea but if it's basically impossible to capture it then destroying your enemy's resources is the only logical option
@@garethjones4433 it all depends does METTTC dictate that because there are times when it is paramount to take vital asset. Where destroying something is not an option. Like Kyoto during WW2 was saved from Bombardment because of Civil considerations the Secretary of War implored administration not to to bomb because of its cultural significance because it was vital asset for peace negotiations. Other times to when a military needed to be seized was the port of Antwerp in the Atlantic war because allies needed a standing European port likewise with the Axis powers that why the port was relatively untouched throughout the war. Operation Market Garden 1944 absolute paramount the Allies needed to seize the Njmegen bridge there was substituting it this the one bridge needed to taken in tact.
Ship Yards weâre almost impossible to capture since there was almost always a Capital Ship docked there
We actually got to see an attack on a shipyard in clone wars during that whole order 66 thing that happened with fives at the start of the arc and you can tell that itâs real hard to take a shipyard because even though the republic was winning it was still taking a LOT of effort to achieve the results they did
I was definitely about to fall asleep listening to this and then 7:10
Great video though!
#AskEck
Can you talk about our lord and savior: The Valiant Class Superheavy Cruiser/Battlecruiser?
Have you embraced the Valiant Class Superheavy Cruiser into your heart yet?
@@dynestis2875 it's not a story the jedi would tell me
Who would win, General Karbin or General Grievous?
I say Grievous personally
On the same topic of shipyards, it would be call to see a video about all the different shipyards in starwars legends and a brief history of each.
I'm really late to the party for this video, but obviously I watch until the end of the video. How else would I see the cute dog
#askeck How did the Jedi Starfighters (Movie 3) compare to other Starfighters? And why wasn't it put into mass production? It seemed like a effective ship in the movies.
I'm pretty sure they were too fast and nimble for anyone, not force sensitive or extremely highly trained, with really good reflexes to fly. I don't remember where I heard it or whether your comment was answered, but hopefully, this helps!
Or maybe you know and can correct me if I'm wrong cause I could be thinking of something else.
Anyway, have a wonderful day/night :)
Vs matchup
Squad battle between Spartan 4s(Halo) vs Dark Trooper Mk3 (Star Wars)
How many Spartans? If one then the spartan pbly
@@jg4902
No, a Spartan can't just destroy the Dark Trooper Mk3 because the material made of the Dark Trooper MK3 is Phrik which is the material that survives the blast of the Death Star.
This makes what the chief and others did in the halo books that much more impressive
I watch to the end for the outro doggo lol
Maybe you could cover a video on the crimson command???? #askeck
Battlefront 2 players beg to differ
Yeah but in retrospect we also spent most our time infiltrating, sabotaging or blowing stuff up
@Lochness Monsta really? i actually like the longer ttk but i wish it didn't have regenerating health
@@oneslickhero4276 THEIR TAKING A COMMAND POST
2005 or 2017?
@@fionnlaghcowan8419 05 boomers represent!
Can we have a video on which shipyard produced which ships? Thanks Eck!
You'll come for the Star Wars, but you'll stay for the dog.
Vs matchup
Sgt. Johnson(Halo) vs Captain Rex(Star Wars)
Why would Johnson even stand a chance? For all intents and purposes, Johnson is a normal person. Rex is a highly trained Mandalorian clone that only knows combat. Rex also has far more combat experience
@@ndukwui remember, Johnson is a failed Spartan 1 so he has extreme endurance. For example he's immune to the flood.
Johnson is a spartan 1 and been in the Corp since they had sticks and stones while rex is like eight years old
@@ndukwui Johnson was in the Orion programme which made him immune to the flood, which supposedly gave him regenerative abilities after the flood failed to infect his augmented nervous system. It took an ancient alien AI with a laser beam to put him down. I don't think you can call that normal.
Reapers (Mass Effect) vs the Flood (Halo).
Indoctrinated flood.
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Kinda wondered about that question when this video showed up.
Capture?
Sure...
Destroy?
Hang on I'll just transfer you to the Word Bearers.
#KnoNoFear #MarkOfCalth
How much easier would it be to buy out the shipyard?
Calm yourself ferengi lol
I'm sure approximately a kilogram of pure latinum should do the trick.
I felt like a insider when you showed the fonder shipyard seige and I knew what it was. Reble strike 3 rouge squadron
I just voted on the poll that had this video option like 5 min ago and then you release it lol
How did Padme "officially" die to the empirials?
Quickly
#askEck
Hey Eck,
I have a question that I have been wondering about for a long time,
In our world and Admril commands a navy and a general an Army etc etc,
how do the rebels and imps assign these titles? as Lando and Han are generals in episode 6 even though Lando is in the rebel armada at that point and the general in rouge one who's name escapes me is in blue squadron
Can you make a video talking about how one would strategically take over an orbital shipyard?
tbh @EckhartsLadder i only watch your videos for the bit at the end with the dog
16th comment love ur vids
Whatâs your favorite SCP?
#AskEck
I remember capturing ships possibly shipyards in Wing Commander IV The Price of Freedom. The Bearcat and Dragon were from captured shipyards in that game but that's a different universe than Star Wars.
Loved it
Still requesting. Still waiting. No halo stuff. Cylons versus UNSC.
My money would be on the UNSC. Their AIs would neutralize the Cylon hacking advantage, and the Cylons complete and utter lack of non tracking weapons and point defense systems would prove a hilariously fatal weakness against even the pre-Halo UNSC, let alone later when they have shields and plasma weapons
@@TheAchilles26 maybe, but UNSC *definitely* has far worse point defense than Galactica, so UNSC ships are just as likely to end up dead as the Cylons.
@@TheAchilles26 Galactica has 514 dual-barreled point defense batteries, the Pillar of Autumn has 18.
@@silentdrew7636, but the UNSC point defense is also far more efficient, being operated by an AI instead of each gun being aimed with the Mark I Eyeball. Any point defense is a massive advantage against the Cylons and their crippling dependence on missiles. And post Covenant War, the UNSC has shields, which dramatically increases the survivability of all vessels. This is without touching on how thoroughly MACs would shred Cylon Basestars.
@@TheAchilles26 you're thinking of Galactica's main batteries, the point defense guns are computer aimed.
en.battlestarwikiclone.org/wiki/Weapons_in_the_Re-imagined_Series#Point_defense_guns
so early theres 0 views and 0 likes/dislikes lol
Cool shipyard bro
#AskEck Are there any scenarios in star wars in which ground assault would be a better alternative to orbital bombardment?
Thatâs why in Star Trek, when they mentioned dealing with shipyards, they were either sabotaged in some fashion or destroyed by a fleet.
I am not a fan of star wars. like, at all.
But, your analyses are clear, strategically and tactically interesting even outside of star wars, and don't require any real passion for the subject matter to understand.
this is truly among some of the best sort of thing any fandom can do, and I applaud you for your efforts.
Great video!
I'm new to the fandom, so excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't capture better be done by commando warfare (maybe ion blasting or precision bombing life support until they give in), electronic warfare (hacking defense or life support systems) or hybrid warfare (plant/support dissidents, sabotage supplies, sow misinformation to lower morale, etc. to make them cede/surrender when the fleets come).
Another thought, couldn't you do a commando raid on planetary ground-to-space weapons, siege the shipyard (maybe with aforementioned tactics) and blockade the planets relief efforts?
I think Ect likes his shipyards