Why MIZUNO Don't Make a BEST SELLING Driver?
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Why MIZUNO Don't Make a BEST SELLING Driver? Well that's down to one thing, people's misconceptions about their products, Drivers and Woods especially and that goes for many other brands that aren't necessarily known for their Woods. Lets put the latest offering to the test to see if it struggles in any area and why Mizuno Don't make a Best Selling Driver...
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I purchased my STX 230 a month ago and have played ten rounds. I chose it after testing the STZ 230, Callaway Paradym, and Ping G430. It is long, and I can work it in both directions when needed. Pair it with the Mizuno RB Tour ball and enjoy the high-launching and low-spin bombs.
I bought the STZ230 recently. It’s a big improvement on its predecessor and incredibly stable.
I have no reservations recommending it. 👍
how is it a big improvement for you? i hear its a marginal improvement on ball speed and a softer sound. asking bc i love my 220 and wondering if upgrade is worth it. thx
@@onsidelegal1002 perhaps it’s subjective but I’m hitting its straighter and more consistently. I have a great sense of increased stability which improves confidence. As a consequence I’m getting more distance too with more centred strikes, even more so that the 220z.
I got a good trade in price and a discount which softened the blow.
@@myopenmind527 ty.
Another great video. As a Mizuno player (blades and wedges) I purchased the ST-Z and I agree it’s an awesome driver, equal to all the rest and better looking to boot. Cheers!
You narrate your message very clearly and concisely. Thank you and well done. BTW: My past club fitting experience(s) with retailers is that retailers focus on 3 brands maybe 4 brands if you are lucky which unfortunately excludes Mizuno. Note: Discovered & switched to Mizuno irons & wedges 15 years ago and will never go or return to another brand.
15 years ago, playing weekly round with guys. Spraying tee shots, looked down graphite shaft splintering. At turn asked pro to demo 2 clubs on back 9. He suggested Callaway and Mizuno. Drove on each driving hole. Mizuno won, partners agreed! Except for a couple year Cobra dalliance have been a Mizuno guy since. Just works! Most forgiving for this 73 yr old 21 handicap. Working to get back to my best at 16.
The STG 220 is a beast. Man this club outdoes every driver ive owned using same Hzrdus RDX smoke shaft so cant say its the shaft. The adjustability of this thing is crazy and the feel
I have a ST220Z that I’ve have played for the last 7 or 8 months, I find it a top notch driver in every area. I paid about &225 new from a eBay seller. It’s as long as anything I’ve played and I was playing a PXG gen 4 driver before this one. It is very forgiving as well. The sound is very acceptable.
I’ve played the STX, the STX 220 and now the STX230 and I can totally agree with the wood’s being as good as anything else yet I always see the same people who make that ridiculous statement regarding their woods.
Anyone who thinks can see the numbers.
Unfortunately it seems that Mizuno are in a bit of a vicious circle with their woods. They've now got to a point where they actually do have a class leading wood option, yet golfers still only see them as an iron brand. Shame really.
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As a young man i owned in the late 1990s a Mizuno driver. His head was smaller than any 3 wood is answering if i hitted the ball it sounded like a empty aluminum coke bottle. This model was the "hot metal et(?)" and i got them from a playing pro. With this driver I scored 7 under rounds abd won the championships in my club. Its was a fantastic performing driver's with a unique awful sound. But everybody knew immediately that the champion and best player is on the course! This driver crashed later and see i sticked from this moment on my 13° 3 wood, but i never forget this driver. I would stick the actual model if 8 wouldn't have no driver because i think he looks good! And that is what counts at the end for me....
I have an ST-Z in my holiday set and love it. Mizuno doesn't market its drivers like TM, Titleist etc and there aren't many around to demo in pro shops etc. I think that's a big part of why they don't sell as well. Also, Mizuno have a shorter shaft as standard than other brands which in some of the reviews online, costs it a bit of distance.
Great review, the problem is most places only stock major brands. So if you go in for a fitting it's Callaway Tmade Ping or Cobra. I find this here in the US😊
All good to know 👍 it's surprising the coverage differences around the world 👍
@@AskGolfNut Last year I was fitted by Golftec for jpx 933 hl. I'm 71 with slow swing speed and couldn't launch ball high. They have been in the bag since and I can't be happier.
Love my STZ220 has changed my game
Here in Australia, Mizuno woods have always been more expensive than any other brands, although this year it's the same price as the Stealth 2 and Paradym as TM and Callaway have raised their prices to match. They are not widely available through the big commercial golf retailers and hence the current model (st230), does not get discounted as often as TM or Callaway counterparts. It may be Mizuno's marketing strategy to be a "premium" brand and to be sold through the pro-shops of private golf clubs.
However, that said, the previous year's model usually goes on a fire sale of sorts around the December/January timeframe so I'm hoping to pick some up then. Although next year Mizuno is not releasing a new model so this might not happen ...
Had a GREAT fitting with Alex from Mizuno on Monday, looking forward to receiving the "prescription" and and a shiny new ST-X 230.
Went into the fitting prioritising forgiveness. I had also strongly suspected that I was compensating horribly for my old Rogue (Project X 5.5) being very wrong for me, after strength gains since my last fitting. Confirmed when my ST-X 220 3W (Ascent 50R) had higher ball speed.
Without doing much more than relaxing about my swing, I lifted my ball speed from 115mph old to 130mph new. Efficiency 1.47, so 88.5 swing speed. Much straighter, less dispersion too, sending the ball 240y uphill up the range
Looking for more improvement once used to the new one - and a few startled opponents!
Such a great video. I saw a video where Hannah Holden compared drivers that were not fit for her. Then proceeded to complain that the st 230 max shaft was too long.
Don't get me started 😊 I have a similar opinion on things like that and it frustrates me at the best of times. Yes sometimes the media samples given aren't in the best spec possible for the individual reviewer and yes the manufacturers could do better in ensuring the equipment is fitted for the reviewer. But there is far too much subjective negativity when really with regards to the Max it has the same shaft adapter as all other Mizuno drivers so it's easy to grab one that does work from the Z or X and use that instead. Using a slightly shorter shaft may not showcase the relevant gain but using a shaft way too long and therefore hitting it poorly will have greater effect on the ball than the small extra club head speed gained from the additional length....
It's crazy 🤦👍🏻
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I just got the jpx 923 forged after being fitted by mizuno at a fitting event. This was after I had gone to club champion. I’ve not hit them yet (going today) but I was confident in purchasing as the mizuno fitter spent time in shafts after testing the shaft optimizer. The price drop clinched the deal even though the 925s are around the corner. I figured the new ones can’t be $400 better! Now looking for drivers. Have the same problem that most fitters have tried to push me to callaway or Taylor made without trying the mizuno. Am going to a fitting event at the end of September. FWIW, I found the callaway fitted me better and it was consistently better than TM
@sumitagg1 reach out via Instagram 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut doing right now
Great content as always Jay! Ive had the St 190 in the bag for a while now and i love it . Really am interested in upgrading to the 230. Might wait a bit until they go on sale in a few months but am in no rush to do so......
Unlikely to be for another year, as they are saying it is a 2 year model.
Other than driver? At my fitting, the fitter did say "not worth changing your ST-X 220 3W", and you can get the 220 series at good prices.
Mizuno's new woods are damn good and cheaper than everything else and you know how many they sell for north america? Very few and it makes no sense. What a shame.
Good video Jay. For me the previous mizuno driver sat open and that's what put me off as it just looked like it was going to slice
That’s easily adjusted for
Selfishly I don't want their drivers to get too popular. I bought the st-z 220 at my local driving range for $110. It was a demo club in excellent condition and they couldn't get rid of it. I'm left handed though so that makes it that much harder for them to move the inventory.
Maybe they will still have their demo head in stock in 2 years when the ST250 comes out 🙂
I've seen some incredible deals on last year's model. I ended up buying a new previous model Callaway for $200 off their website. My previous driver was a Mizuno, so I'm not opposed to it but it wasn't too forgiving. These new models appear much better. I can't stand paying a fortune for the new thing. The tech has been maxed out for years and the R&A will shut down any huge gains.
Jay…how about doing a Mizuno Shaft Optimizer session to define why you play what you do. It would be very very informative. Thanks
Great idea 👍👍
I wanted to look at the stz230, but it took 3 months to get my stz230 hybrid so I looked elsewhere. Callaway was delivered in 8 days!
New G in September I was told. I have the old one and would love to see the difference.
I couldn't possibly comment 😉😀👍😉😉👍
Agree that all drivers are excellent now days and that Mizuno needs to change its driver/woods perception somehow. Specifically when comparing the more forgiving drivers(G430 Max, Paradym, ST-Z 230), would you say someone could use any of those driver heads and the most important part is the shaft fitting?
Great question, I think I may answer this in detail on my next Live Stream (every Monday at 19:30 UK time) 👍
@@AskGolfNut That would be interesting. I'll definitely tune in for that one. Sometimes people prefer one driver over another because of its colorway, sound, or feature like a moveable weight. So if a few drivers in the same head category will for the most part be equally forgiving and similar ball speed, why not get the head you really like and focus on the shaft fitting so it is optimized for you?
@@AskGolfNutI’ve looked at the Mizuno STZ 230 driver. No fitters in my area. I’m torn between that and the new Srixon ZX5 LS model.
I'll be harsh. Fitting, and upselling through fitting is a thing.
So a brand that has 20+ shaft to choose from with no upcharge is at a disadvantage when a seller/fitter lives on commision.
Edit: 308 Distance with a variance of 4 is really impressive!
COMMISION is the killer of honesty and unbiased golfer first fittings. I have and never will have anything to do with Commision. I have always run paid for sessions to allow me to be absolutely honest and unbiased as to the tangible and potential gains of a new product, I agree whole heartedly with you..... It's a crying shame and it really needs to end for the end user golfers sake 👍
@@AskGolfNutunfortunately people like club champion, true spec who charge for fitting also pay on commission. They only stock premium shafts.
Indirectly related, you mentioned the restriction on ball speeds off the club face by the USGA and R&A. This is to limit driver distance and to protect golf courses from becoming drive and wedge courses. However, how can this restriction be effective if there is no corresponding restriction on ball distance technology?
Hi there, the balls are regulated and quite stringently so there is a limit to what they can truly do but have managed to move the needle over the years. Still the largest gain is due to the modern golfer being more physically able to produce more club head speed.
Spin profiles and forgiveness are the designs that manufacturers are concentrating on now. 👍
@@AskGolfNut thanks for the feedback and clarification. I think golfers are a confused bunch. So generally, they will run down a short golf course as being inferior because a 'pitch and putt' course and not a championship course But they are quite happy to progress to a game where, with the help of better athletic ability and technological advances, they will effectively be playing a pitch and putt course!
I have an STx from 2-3 years ago. How would you rate the degree of improvement in consistency from that generation to the current 230 line? Not noticeable, slightly noticeable, definitely noticeable? I went back to your review of the STx but you were purposely hitting it everywhere on the club face in that video, so perhaps not an apples to apples review?? Thx!
I'll have to re-visit fast video and get back to you 👍 or pop on Mondays Live Stream, ask me live and I'll be able to give you a more in depth answer 👍 (every Monday at 19:30 UK Time)
You would definitely notice better performance on the off center hit with the STX 220 and STX230.
Hi jay are you still club fitting and where do you work out off these days
Hi Kev, yes I Coach and Custom Fit by appointment only. Best thing to do is contact me via email or Instagram 👍
Thanks mate
Have Mizuno brought out any new hybrids??
With the new ST230 launch they updated the CLK to the new ST230 hybrid 👍
I have been playing the 16 & 22 degree STZ 230 hybrids and I absolutely love them.
One reason they don't sell is they don't hold their value. Just picked up a 230z for £198
Hi Pete, are you USA or UK? 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut uk
@petemajor5693 wow that, has to be a retail store selling rack stock rather than anything custom from Mizuno in Cumbernauld? 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut ebay 😎 As new, Free postage but no headcover.
I do golf on the cheap a Tinkerer as you described yesterday 😉
People will still buy the other OEM's from the USA, as they have the market covered. Where i live Mizuno are just as expensive as some of the other brands, Cobra re less expensive by 10% so Mizuno should have a look at their pricing to be competitive, as the resale is poor.
Some of that makes logical sense, with it being a global brand you do have to take into account local differences within each market 🤔👍👍👍
I like your videos but you lost me when you rated the 223’s better than Ping’s I 230’s. I have played both and the I230’s are miles better than the 223’s. You have to stop being a Mizuno fanboy. It’s hard to believe you are objective when you came to that conclusion with everything in your studio Mizuno.
Hi James. I always smile when I get the occasional comment echoing similar to what you say above. Basically to ensure any bias I have is neutralised (everyone has their own preference for what brand they either play, choose to wear etc) I always give detailed head data so that all conclusions regardless of which in a compare wins so to speak, is done by open and honest head data. Any and all performance differences can be seen by doing it this way. Sometimes long winded yes but ensures clarity. Yes I have my preference for clothing etc, I've played Mizuno irons for as long as I can really remember and I like their apparel but it doesn't effect in any way how the launch monitor basically determines are winner or not. If you wanltch any of the content I have done with the i230 irons you'll see just how much I like them and I honestly think that they are the best overall iron that Ping have ever created. I Pride myself on my honesty and openness with the data driven conclusions.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
MY uncle and dad won't buy mizuno since the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. That's probably the main reason ppl won't buy Japan products in the USA
Wow, are people still holding onto something that long ago.....Acts committed by people long since dead....I think we'd all be surprised about how many every day things are made in Japan. 👍
That’s a little ridiculous at this late date. Half the cars in the country are Toyotas and Hondas.
@@larryproffer8603 are you American?
@@AskGolfNutyes including my Lexus ! Japanese cars (especially Toyota and Lexus) are the highest quality vehicles made bar none.
@@stephendibari5010 Nothings beats a CHEVY or FORD.