What You May Have Gotten Wrong About Guild Wars 2!
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- In all my time playing Guild Wars 2 I have seen quite a bit of criticism around it despite the game being great! In my recent time away from Guild Wars 2 I have also seen tons of misconceptions about the game that may not be 100% been true.
0:00 Did You Get It Wrong?
0:31 Playing For Free
2:20 Ghost Town
4:01 Chosen Grind
6:17 Put The Game Down
8:19 If Your New...
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GW2's biggest strength, in my opinion, is that its not concerned with being THE MMO and just being its own thing and catering to its own fanbase
Unfortuonelly its not happened with intention.Since release of Gw 2 A-net put Gw 2 to different molds for see which one gonna gather more players.They went to casual route,hardcore route,it become a raid centric game,meta centric,pvp centric and all those failed ideas left to rot and in current times we got a missmatch pile of puzzle pieces and some sees this as art and others see as garbage.I for one wanting Gw3 to be real so Arena net can trim this dead weight from their back and start a new.
@@TheJanissary90I respect your opinion….. however, I disagree with it almost entirely. Is the game perfect? Nope. Is it great? I think so, yeah. It doesn’t want to be THE MMO. It wants to be the game you can come back to after a year and can still enjoy it just like when you left. (I.e. Caffeinated Dad).
@@TheJanissary90 I still don't get what people want from GW3 because if its wow's style hardcore raiding then i am out.
@@Fydron In people's opinion when someone over tuned a system you think all mmorpg will be like that.Also what will be worth of making Hardcore raiding if Rewards are sucks like we get in Gw 2.We have hardcore contents in Gw 2 like CM raids ,fractals and Strikes too and people thought players dont engaged bc its a bad system.In reality players dont wanna engage because Arenanet give birth to a carebear community doesnt want frustration of failure,doesnt wanna improve,just wanna roll around in meta trains smash keys.After Gw 2 throw away dungeons thay cause players to do nothing but roaming around heart to heart in maps and reaching to level 80 with 0 improvement about their characters.
@@joshuaherring9674 Well disagreing with me doesnt make me wrong.If you can check to history of Gw 2 you can see.You think they scrap to dungeons and raids because they had better ideas?NO BC THEY ARE FAILED.And I dont respect ur opinion because you are ok with what ever Gw2 turnin into.I played many mmorpgs and seriously I've never seen more destructive hivemind like GW 2 cultist and talking people like this like arguing with a zealot person about their religion
Nothing is wrong,every decision arenanet gave is right if you dont like it play something else.This is legitimate cult mindset.And no cultists see themselves as cultist.For their view they loving their games and people who critize their beloved games toxic people and doomers and haters blah blah.Legit 0 indivicuality and points.While cultist shoo people from game Gw 2 listened their points and make changes snd this time they acting like they have a part in this victory.Janthir expansion is a good answer to Gw 2 cultists think Eod and Soto decisions were correct.
FOr me GW2 is a relaxing MMO. I can do as little or as much as I want. One benefit I like about the game is that if I want to "pause" the game I have 2 options. Either fly up to a rock and chill while I go do something or I can just log off no matter where I am at on the map. You don't lose progress or risk all of your stuff being stolen.
You know what ultimately drove me away from the other mmos? Pretty much all of them feel like having a second job once you get to endgame. GW2 respects my time, and doesn't try to instill FOMO as a means of keeping me logging in everyday.
Yeah, I especially love how the unique Wizard's Vault rewards will never go away, and are just discounted during the season they launch. This means you can take a six month break and still get all those cosmetics you missed in a few weeks, if you want.
Welcome back, sir. Which is rather the point: we're not locked in here!" We can go outside, take care of life, play other games. Read a book even. Which is why I love this game. It assumes you have a busy life or at least some sort of life not involving GW2.
GW2 is a game I love dearly but I can never stick with for too long. I’ll jump in, play for a month or three, then stop and not touch it again for a year. Then some bit of news catches my eye, I relaunch it, and I’m wondering why I left because it’s fun.
My two pain points for the game are
- legendary gear is so useful that I end up saving everything for the never coming day I’ll be able to get it, and any expense in between feels like a setback.
- festivals and their daily stuff eat away at my limited time to play and get repetitive, but their rewards are juicy enough to want to keep at it, leading to burning out on them.
Still, it’s a game I intend to keep playing and I’m looking forward to Janthir.
Lool this what i experience too , not sure what triggers the "lost of interest" maybe cus new games release and i go try them out , and i am still in icebrood saga story , i will get to soto eventually , no rush
Great video!
2 misconceptions I would add to the list.
1. There is no holy trinity: This doesn't mean there are no roles in the game. This means that the class by itself doesn't get categorized into the tank/healer/dps. But once you get to instanced contents, the filling of healer/support/dps roles becomes kind of recommended, which comes from a combination of your class/traits/gear.
2. Gw2 is a game for casuals: This doesn't mean the game has no endgame/hard content. There are still plenty challenging modes in the game, but they are completely optional. Don't wanna do it? Don't do it. Wanna challenge yourself? Go for it. The best farms are not part of those contents anyway
GW2 is so nice cause you can just focus on what you want to do without feeling FOMO. Like today, I just felt like exploring the Canthas map and fishing around to see what I can get instead of trying to catch up with story line (which can be exhausting due to how much there are) or grinding seasonal events.
Hello I've watched a couple of your videos since I'm kinda new to this game, you basically helped me on most of my decision so far into my playtrough, thanks!
If you are ever interested about a noob/new player feedback I'll give you mine, if not just don't or read TLDR at the end.
I've been playing on and off for about 3 months, i'm around 150 hours in and I've had a blast, did not really had much of a problem in open world finding people to do stuff and I'm not even in a guild yet I simply find people on the map so game does not feel dead at all.
It's a chill game if you are not stressing about it, the strongest point of this game is really the progress system and you do not feel forced to log in everyday, which is great to retain people that actually does not have that much time to play, you can also probably find something to do if you want to grind 24/7 I assume, but not feeling forced to log in due to no subscription method and no downgrade of progress seems really valuable to consider into MMORPG games.
I'm used to MMORPGs in general and this is by far the best in the casual aspect and gives you a lot of freedom on what you want to progress your account towards, like, ANY goal you set in mind.
While if I had to say something that I find kind of a negative for this game imo is exactly that freedom that kinda force you to do research on your own in order to actually get it done (whatever it may be, achievements, mounts, npc locations), there's people that does not really wanna do something else besides playing and maybe the game should give you a little bit more insight on where to find something/someone or how to do/unlock something, the only thing that is straightforward is the story quest, and everything else is not really laid in front of you as an option unless you ask yourself the question.
Overall I like the game and I will keep playing it on and off when I have time, I was skeptical of starting the game after so many years it was out, then I find out that most of the progress is horizontal instead of vertical, so even if you are late you can just get what YOU feel like it's essential and you are pretty much set.
My new player experience TLDR:
Game is great overall, horizontal progress is a great choice, you can try it for free if you like you buy if not you go, freedom is good and bad at the same time only real directions from the game is main story quests everything else it's up to your homework, you can play it on and off and still feel the progress.
"too much grinding" this seems like from players who havent done mmo's tbh at all some mmo's points are the grinding
Try and tell someone who's never touched WoW and tell them "to get the best gear, u need to do dungeons and depending on how lucky you're or how unlucky you're it can take weeks to maximize, u also need to do mythic raids to get the absolute best shit in the game, which can take weeks, and when a new season comes around, ur gear is irrelevant as fuck and u start over again" kekw
@@ZeroiusProduction havent myself played WoW but never being interested any mmo outsite of gw2 tbh
Raids and particularly mythic raiding aren't grinding, that thing is just a chore, which feels like a second job. They are a product of the e-sport mentality which infiltrated mmo's 20/10 years ago, when passing 10h a day e-socializing, specially through audio comms was considered a cool a nice thing.
At this point everyone is burnout with digital socialization. Apart of some old folks that have plenty of time in their hands and played together for years, almost everyone just wants to log and have 1/2h of fun, which many times includes the old simple grinding, casual pvp, or quick instanced pve.
Traditional mmo's failled big time understanding that, even when everyone knows that a big chunk of their traditional playerbase is +30 yo and don't have time to fool around all day long, to in the end of the day spend 3/4h prepping and running tyresome long raids.
There's no such thing as "Best in slot" in GW2 -- there are tons of combinations that are good and many more undiscovered. The addition of weapon mastery opens up the possibilities even more. So, if you created a legendary Greatsword -- that's not useable if you have a Thief, for example. And even if you created a legendary sword for your Thief, that's not the best in slot gear given that you can swap weapons to daggers and pistols. That's the reality of grinding for legendaries -- you'll just have to get them all.
I've played GW2 very casually on and off for a few years, and I definitely had misconceptions about the grind!
I put off even just getting the skyscale (the old way, I haven't gotten SOTO yet) until only a few months ago because the sheer amount of Stuff you had to do seemed overwhelming. Then I did it, and it wasn't nearly so bad as I thought. Sure, still a lot to do, and a lot of running around, but it didn't feel tedious. I liked that there was a lot of variation in the steps; you're not necessarily grinding in the sense of doing the same thing over and over. And now I have it, it was definitely worth it and doesn't seem nearly so painful in hindsight lol.
Of course, that's probably not even remotely grindy compared to the other stuff... one day I'll consider tackling a legendary... xD
Interesting topic. Just adding my 2 cents...
**Play for free**: I still don't consider it a 'trial' since you can get to max level and participate in endgame activities - PvP, WvW, and fractals. Will you be running meta builds? Probably not, but it is still possible (and with skill based combat, it is technically possible to win even). Even FFXIV admits its free account option is a trial as it doesn't include the latest expansions (for obvious reasons)
**Ghost town**: not any different than other MMOs, at least with horizontal progression and rotating zone dailies there's a good chance of running into players in any zone, unlike previous expansion content in vertical progression games
**Chosen grind**: yeah... just how many times do players have to run a single piece of content (often long raids) for a BiS gear piece to drop AND for them to win the loot roll? At least with GW2's grinds - for the most part - I can incrementally build up to whatever my target gear piece is doing whatever content I want... and often doing content that furthers other goals in parallel, like gathering crafting materials for legendary sigils while working on achievements for the PvE legendary amulet. Granted, I think the game could use an in-game custom checklist feature (beyond just putting specific achievements on the UI) to help keep track of overlapping goals buried in the achievement panel, but other games don't have that either.
**Put the game down**: if there weren't lulls in the content, when would people ever have time to run map completion for legendary weapon crafting /s ?! In all seriousness though, in my experience most of the 'lack of content' crowd only do one of the game modes and never touch the others. I think they'd be surprised if they branched out how much stuff there actually is to do in the game. WvW can be run mostly like PvE if you know what to focus on, as an example, so it is not even that difficult for casual players to get into the competitive content if they set their expectations accordingly to their skill level.
I love GW2 and wish I had tried it sooner. Always thought it would be to complicated as someone who don't normally play MMOs.
I remember watching your videos last year when I started playing gw2. Loved your Elementalist shenanigans. Hope you will make some Elementalist guides (especially for Weaver)
Honestly speaking GW2 is the number one "Secondary MMORPG" on the market. This is a huge advantage if you think about it.
As a prime example, I rotate between multiple "Primary" mmos, but I always dip back into GW2 at least 3 - 5 times a week.
Overall, this has lead me to play GW2 for the longest period over any "Primary" mmo, since GW2 is always played every week, unlike my "Primary" mmos.
Keep it up Arena-Net, we see you, all the recent changes and yearly expansion release isn't going un-noticed. 👍
I always hop on your videos and click the like button but I've noticed lately, it takes several clicks and sometimes even a refresh for that to register.
The dead MMO meme is pretty funny. When I play XIV or WoW, I see more dead zones than in GW2, but its due to design, most players will go to where the game wants them to. For example, both WoW and XIV are both vertical so of course, players are in the new main hub at max level and new expansion zones. For GW2, its all horizontal, so they all gravitate towards wherever the big meta is happening or where the money is.
P.S Staff Wizard Ele is back, give that nonsense a try! Lol, people reporting over 44K DPS on the target dummy.
In regards to your "Chosen Grind" section of the video. Not going to lie, GW2 grind for the best gear "Legendary" is probably the longest grind of any mmo, per piece of item.
The major difference is, this gear is a permanent upgrade for your account "Indefinitely". Where-as your typical vertical progression mmos have much shorter grinds, but the important part is that these upgrades are "Temporary." Having being reset upon reaching the next expansion. TLDR; [Shorter] Never ending gear treadmill vs [Longer] Permanent unlock.
Welcome back!!was waiting for you to come back!!always loved you GW2 vids!!😁😁
Do you need the expansion right away or the base game is enough to start?
Im not sure if you've made this type of vids before. Make videos about how to command Meta events. Like how to handle Eparch meta in inner nayos. The buffs, the rifts, etc.
Newer sub to you... 1.Every MMO (and hell.. everything it seems lately) , people are so negative and nasty about things, even started to drag me down a bit this past month being stuck in my house. Ive heard WoWs been dead since like Cata , heard FF14 been dead since ARR, and also GW2... just to name the big ones. 2. I swear man, you might ever read this personally, but I swear you are a doppelganger for my childhood friend Tom LOL, the face, the glasses, the voice.... freaks me out a bit lol
Well...
I play GW2 for more than 11 years, had mine breaks too, two times with about 5-6 months, also there are periods due the work or other situations have only time to do daily + fotm+ strikes and that's it. But to say I quit the game, nah, that's never gonna to happen.
Enjoy the game on your own way, spend time as you have time or like, have online friends, chat, do group content etc...
Cheers
its far from dead even in dead maps when i tag up metas slowly fill up, as for the grind its completely optional they introduced quick methods to get accended and exotics with relatively zero effort, i grind for legendaries cause it gives me something to work towards
The news today homestead....will give 1000s hrd gameplay and bring alot new players. Its best home system in any mmo
Love all the points on this video! I still play gw2 every week (and FFXIV sometimes when I'm not playing GW2 😅). I've done every content I want to do in the game so now I'm just doing the Wizard's Vault tasks, helping players get through their content when they ask me, and I'm slowly building up my stash of gold & materials for the next legendary weapon starter kit while I wait for more content to come out.
Glad you are back caffeinated DAD. ❤
I wanna fly and glide so bad lol
How was Path of Exile btw? 🤔
Played it a while back for a few hours then picked up Warframe and just never went back….. is it worth going back to?
I've tried playing this game a few times. Never got past lv25 :( For me, a good game must have 3 things: Gameplay (which was ok, not much of a fan of skills being locked to weapons and not the class) Soundtrack (so far so good, liked everything I've heard) and Story. Well, the story is the main problem here. I'm a completionist so of course I would like to complete 100% of every single zone, but I also want to know about the lore of each zone, reading the quests. But there is no quest xD That "heart quest" you don't even have to talk to the NPC to complete it, so why would I waste my time on any zone if I can just rush my leveling somehow? Or just use the boost I have (don't know where it comes from). I know we get some depths in the story late game and/or via those seasonal things and the expansions. But early game feels so empty and without life to me :/
to bad they dropped the support for mac.
understandable? yes.
but still sad
I really hate the painted look of the Map & UI.
There is no organization to anything, nothing is in Order of Head, shoulders, chest, or even in Alphabetical...
Open a Box, it may be Foot, Chest, Gloves, Head, Pants...
Transmute can't just apply any look to any gear. I see great Pants, but I can't wear them because they are Medium Armor... NO THEY"RE PANTS. It's a joke, when comparing to Star Trek Online or RIFT with customization.
Stats are not in normal game lingo, CritD is Ferocity or something.
Coming from Guild Wars 1, it was Guild Wars in Name Only...
Things bought in the Store are not reclaimable, so for instance Unbreakable Gathering tools are only claimable on 1 character, Unless you also buy more Account Storage Slots, so at least you can share between your toons.
Hate HATE all the currencies & having to Store some Keys but not all Keys are Currency.
Nothing tells you what it's used for, where to get more, where to spend, the Wiki is a must.
The game feels old school hard.
Pros is it's SUPER Cheap, even at one point ALL the DLC was $19.99, & frequent sales too.
Loads of content for low price.
Thankfully, since it's been out for 10+ years, there's loads of video & walkthroughs that are still correct, because with out them, it's NOT fun.
Also still has content creators & getting more expansions.
have to grind for that bikini set
yeah, gw2 gets many things right. it earned its place as one the major mmos on the market. but big guys cast long shadows. if I had to give one advice to players of any game: don't be overly invested into any game. Because once you turn into a hardcore fan you're in for a heartbreak.
cheers
The gear is actually where they lost me. I hit 80, bought exotic gear, then got bored cause there’s no more character progression. You just play the game to play at that point.
I felt like the game started for real when I hit lvl 80. The mounts, legendary gear, playing through the stories, "raids" the different world bosses etc
The only peoples i hear saying " THIS FEEKKINNG GAME IS DEAD" are in the PvP Lobby on EU servers.. From those peoples who forgot their ADHD pills lol
The NA LFG is dead, so if you want to play an MMO solo w/ NPCs GW2 is fine.
I love Guild Wars 2 but I'm tired of the community defending the cash shop. This game is pay to win, you can pay for "convenience" perks that will then get you ahead of others in time spent and ultimately allow you to get the true end game items.
You're not wrong but also not completely right... Sure you can buy some stuff that will save you time and get you ahead of other players but even that is very limited. All it allows you to do is speed up the gold making. But you still can't buy masteries, achievements, collections, map completion and the list goes on
@@bchararaad1870 Someone with enough money could buy gems convert it to gold, buy all the mats for griffon and skyscale and get map completion, achievements and collections faster than a normal player just playing the game who is working for the same things.
Also, there are raid guilds that sell runs and you can get full sets of ascended gear which is the best gear in the game stats wise.
You can also buy legendary weapons with gold so you could make a fresh account, boost it to 80 and get the best gear in the game with real money.
talking about free to play while you showing footage of the most recent content from the newest expac. and talking about the the game isn't dead, yet the footage only show you soloin hero challenge and personal story. Come on dude, you didn't even try in this video
Tha fk is wrong with u. Dropped on ur head
What is a dead game for you ? A dead game for me would be no more content added and no more patches. GW2 still get more DLC's added over the years and still get new patches out. The playerbase is also on the healty side. I still see alot of people in old content areas doing stuff. The footage he shows is just a fraction of what you can actually do in GW.
@@queenbrightwingthe3890 you missed my point. read more carefully next time. lol
@@Earthz1412 What is ur point.
@@ZeroiusProduction i criticized his bad quality video. because the footage isn't matched with the narration. He just put his random gameplay that didn't suited with what he narrated,. when he narrated about free to play aspect, he should have shown the base content instead doin rift or flying with skyscale at nayos. Rift and skyscale isn't on free to play content. and when he talked about the game isnt dead, he need to proof to the audience that really show the game is still alive. it could be meta event footage, world boss, or wvw zerk. instead, he just showed footage when he fought hero challenge and story. that didn't match anything with what he said. this make it even worse for people who dont play the game, because the footage only showed his character, mobs and some NPC. no other players around