Did Ancient Romans See a UFO? I A strange account from Plutarch

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  • čas přidán 24. 05. 2023
  • The writings of the historian Plutarch form a significant portion of our information concerning the rise of the Roman Republic, and its eventual end. In one of those texts, Plutarch's "Lives", he recounts something rather strange--the appearance in the sky of a bright flash of light and, apparently, a cylindrical object whose color is "like molten silver". What exactly was he describing? Was it a UFO, as some people (apparently including at least professional scholars) believe? Or something else?
    SOURCES:
    UFOs in Classical Antiquity, Stothers
    Plutarch's "Parallel Lives"
    Religions of Rome: Vol. 1, Beard, North, & Price

Komentáře • 615

  • @ahmedmirza8499
    @ahmedmirza8499 Před rokem +915

    nah they were just weather balloons don't be silly

  • @jholloway77
    @jholloway77 Před rokem +632

    There needs to be a show about two Pretorian Gaurds investigating unknown mysteries in ancient Rome
    The χ-files

  • @Philly_Jump_Over_The_Fence
    @Philly_Jump_Over_The_Fence Před rokem +171

    Could Germanic tribes have been testing advanced or experimental aircraft?

    • @richstex4736
      @richstex4736 Před rokem +33

      The Veni, Vidi, Vici 2 Rocket.

    • @mradventurer8104
      @mradventurer8104 Před rokem +13

      no, extremely unlikely. If they had such powers and knowledge they could have whiped out their enemies and conquer all of Europe and beyond, which they didn't. For that reason alone I would consider the chance of the theory you mention extremely unlikely.

    • @paveantelic7876
      @paveantelic7876 Před rokem +36

      @@mradventurer8104 bruh

    • @elizabethanthony3916
      @elizabethanthony3916 Před rokem +4

      ​@@paveantelic7876😆👏👏👏👏

    • @Aj-tu4gv
      @Aj-tu4gv Před rokem +3

      ​@@mradventurer8104 you'd be surprised

  • @CChissel
    @CChissel Před rokem +89

    I love the story of the famous meteor that made impact in between two armies about to battle, and afterwards called a truce because they were all like, “WTF just happened!?” And concluded the gods must have not wanted them to battle. I forget the year, but it was in antiquity and I don’t remember where the armies were from.

    • @BenJuan123
      @BenJuan123 Před rokem +50

      You are likely thinking of the “battle” at Phrygia in the Third Mithridatic War - unfortunately it didn’t actually lead to any kind of meaningful peace between the armies, just slightly delayed and shifted the location of the fighting.
      That being said, if you look up “Battle of the Eclipse” you’ll see there was a battle in the 6th century BC between the Lydians and the Medes that was interrupted by a solar eclipse. This actually WAS seen as a sign from the gods by both sides, and led to them negotiating a peace treaty and ending a war that had been raging for over six years

    • @CChissel
      @CChissel Před rokem +6

      @@BenJuan123 that’s awesome, thanks

    • @zorandusic7079
      @zorandusic7079 Před rokem +4

      That wasn't a meteor. It was a classic UAP. It was desribed as something shaped like a pottery jar, bright, coming from the clouds and hovering before disappearing.

    • @stupidminotaur9735
      @stupidminotaur9735 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@BenJuan123 @cchissel even centuries later atleast 300-500 years later they would refuse to fight against each other during 1 of the persians invasions they would make sure they were fighting on opposite sides... this is how this story became known that during a persian war meeting 1 of the city leaders told the persians, hey we need to fight on thhe opposite sides of these guys or the gods will be angry agianst each other.

    • @elliottorion4235
      @elliottorion4235 Před měsícem +1

      Considering the size of the reported object that crashed it would’ve wiped out both armies or led to mass casualties if it was in fact a meteor. Let’s say it was exaggerated and it was only half that? We’re still talking considerable casualties. Enough to deserve being mentioned in the ancient account. Instead we learn there were no such deaths or obvious explosions or even a reported impact crater which wouldn’t have been enormous in size but definitely noticeable and evident to the soldiers.
      Let’s theorize it didn’t crash down between the armies and instead flew by some distance away, thereby accounting for it being between both armies. Well first it has to be big enough to warrant TWO ENTIRE ARMIES to stop a conflict. Seeing shooting stars during the DAY is hard enough. Meteor impacts can and do happen during the day that’s not uncommon. Most over the ocean. The ones that don’t break up in the atmosphere are not dinosaur ending size but they do make an incredibly explosive noise upon entrance of the atmosphere and impact. Very very loud. Though our ancient account of this object makes no mention of this, surely it would’ve detailed the thunderous roar this object from space would’ve made? Many accounts ranging from everyday life, to battles, to volcanic eruptions allow you to see, smell, and hear the ancient world through colorful writing.
      We know people from back then can be just as stupid as people from the present. They can also be just as smart. Although information may not have been as freely available to them as in the 21st century and taking into consideration cultural differences (were a world away no pun intended in some ways) these are people just like you and me. Pull them out of their time as an infant and place them in ours and the environment would shape them just as it did to us. Not everyone on that battlefield would’ve known about celestial phenomena. Some did. Most likely more than we give credit too. Many could’ve seen a shooting star in their past. The writer of the account knew of celestial phenomena yet instead of concurring it was such at some point in his account he relays exactly what he was told. Id say that is because that’s exactly what happened as hard as it may seem to believe.
      Sadly we have no recording or time machine to go back and watch what happened that day on the battlefield. So it’s left to our speculation. I’m not claiming what I believe happened is what really happened. I’m just trying to get the people who think it’s impossible for it to be a UFO and think there must be some misinterpretation or misrepresentation in the account to think of any possibility outside of the usual suspects. Step back from any bias one may have. I tried too with my interpretation and breakdown of this ancient account and looked at it with the idea that anything is possible other than something truly insane (I.e flat earthers lol.)
      It’s my opinion we only think we have the world and it’s physics figured out. Just like they did in the ancient world. Just like they did less than a hundred years ago. Time and time again we learn we were wrong or there’s more pieces to the puzzle than we originally realized. Some ideas fit in the framework of the new others age quite poorly. Before landing on the moon scientists (not all of them) believed it had volcanoes on it lol. Animals we once rolled our eyes at the mention of become flesh. Physics once shunned step into the light. conspiracies whose words only left the lips of the few called fools and the ridiculers who orchestrated them became truth.
      A civilization far older than ours would have a much more advanced understanding of the universe. People may say it’s not possible less they spend light years in space. I say wait until you see it. We believe our present day understanding is set in stone. Nothing is ever set in stone. the winds of time no matter how long they may take will erode away what was once written. Presenting a fresh slate for us to rework what we understand at the most basic level. The only question is will we ready and willing?
      This comment was sponsored by CLASH OF CLA.. lol just kidding. Have a good one and I hope this leaves however small an impression on you. Perhaps enough to ponder openly the wondrous possibilities our universe contains. Or enough to tell me to bleep off back to my bottle of anti-psychotics lol.

  • @kanematthews6630
    @kanematthews6630 Před rokem +173

    I found it more interesting on p.83 when he references Obsequens recounting when a formation of Arma (defensive shields) were seen flying through the air at Compsa. That bears quite a striking resemblance to some modern flying saucer cases, like the Tremonton case in '52 when Delbert Newhouse saw a formation of flying saucers pass over his car and was able to film them flying away.

    • @luislaplume8261
      @luislaplume8261 Před rokem +6

      True! Not all shields were squares. Some were round and could be flown into the air.

    • @heliosgnosis2744
      @heliosgnosis2744 Před rokem +8

      @@luislaplume8261 Then event in question was what appeared to look as a group oif shields moving through the sky not flying shields, the words did not exist to place it into the context of the future just as at present we do not possess the language to do it either.

    • @HummelJaeger
      @HummelJaeger Před rokem +6

      Could have been a rare cloud formation like Mammatus or Kelvin Helmholtz Waves. If the shapes were stacked in regular rows, then it could be imagined by people of that time as a ranked Roman century with shields presented forward.

    • @heliosgnosis2744
      @heliosgnosis2744 Před rokem

      There is also mention in history by 2 separate people and sides "battle, hmm we humans do that a lot" of a sea monster and it actually caused a dictation of how said battle played out for both understand it as a message from the God of the Oceans/Seas. As to the meaning well I wrote it the way I did to inspire any curious to go see with their eyes and wonder both the known and unknown. For remember the 100s of now lost islands the Greeks spoke of even had maps of yet today all is gone and for how long can we persevere our peoples legacy? That is our duty being born here if you ask me be that good or bad legacy it belongs to all

    • @DavidRavenMoon
      @DavidRavenMoon Před rokem +6

      True. And what else did they have to compare what they saw to? A metal shield is a familiar object.
      That’s the point this video is missing. Yes, call them wine bottles. Made from metal. With a great fire. Sounds like a rocket.

  • @oiartsun
    @oiartsun Před rokem +222

    By the description, it could easily have simply been a metallic meteorite, with a high iron-nickel content.

    • @macgonzo
      @macgonzo Před rokem +24

      My first thought as well

    • @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
      @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Před rokem +25

      Right. Any meteorite large enough to stay intact, would have made quite a sonic boom. Perhaps a blinding flash of light, brighter than the sun at daylight too. The "split the sky" could be a description of both the light and sound.
      Weird things witnessed by large crowds - tend to be taken seriously. Meteor falls likely happen frequently, but if witnessed by few, or without a major conflict - likely dismissed by anyone but local priests. The Romans were incredibly superstitious. They believed their gods took an interest in their deeds as a People - especially battle and warfare.
      Most superstitions are to relieve anxiety and boost confidence. One way they do this - on days you're not supposed to fight - you're not supposed to fight. And that - is determined by gods. They'll tell you when you have a chance to win. A great taboo - to proceed without their blessing. A sign this important would have been analyzed as a serious warning - either of disaster, or, of displeasure. But - are the gods angry at your side, or the enemy's? Protecting you, or the enemy? I imagine only the top priests of Rome might have been qualified to judge. Thus, included in the annals.
      Since such an event was likely demoralizing/disruptive/delaying to a war effort - I do not think it was made-up.

    • @lt8395
      @lt8395 Před rokem +5

      party pooper

    • @johno1544
      @johno1544 Před rokem +15

      Meteorites tend to be black from the fusion crust they get. You dont really see any silver color unless you cut them up

    • @robertwilliamson922
      @robertwilliamson922 Před rokem +15

      @@johno1544 You only see the black fusion crust when you find them on the ground. As they come through the atmosphere.. they don’t look black…..they look very very bright.

  • @mydogbrian4814
    @mydogbrian4814 Před rokem +4

    > Fire breathing dragons zipping across the sky. A comen description of rare boloides with luminous tails seen zipping across the sky in medieval times in Europe & China.

  • @billcook7285
    @billcook7285 Před rokem +7

    UFO's are actually alien tour buses. Earth is the last stop on the "MOST FKED UP PLANETS IN THE UNIVERSE" tour. 😂

  • @TheFallofRome
    @TheFallofRome  Před rokem +32

    One correction: "Chalcedon" should be pronounced with a hard "c". I caught that after the upload

  • @nancyvernon3017
    @nancyvernon3017 Před rokem +116

    Many comets in antiquity were described as swords of flame, horses pulling chariots, etc. It sounds to me like a falling star of iron ore

    • @terryrueckert9540
      @terryrueckert9540 Před rokem +13

      Case closed, then. 🙄

    • @Fridaey13txhOktober
      @Fridaey13txhOktober Před rokem +6

      No.

    • @Mr11ESSE111
      @Mr11ESSE111 Před rokem +2

      Comets which goes left right or stand on place without moving !?after all they knows about stars and comets&space more then Catholic church in middle ages which still hunt witches and burn peoples up to 1850

    • @bromisovalum8417
      @bromisovalum8417 Před rokem +4

      dude they knew what comets were back then

    • @nancyvernon3017
      @nancyvernon3017 Před rokem

      @@thebobbysisters lol! "All the world is a stage. The actors enter the stage as mere babes and exit as old men." The spear shaker was referring to the elite family members as actors. And yes that includes anything within the realm of pop culture. Ancient Aliens, active shooter events, las vegas aliens, etc. And most of these events are dramatized so you have something to watch on the news. If there were real active shooter events, the FBI would confiscate everyone's cell phone, and arrest anyone who interfered with the chain of evidence regarding their case. Btw, people naturally run away from gunfire not towards it Bcuz of self-preservation. And another thing, the guy they interviewed who was a witness to the Vegas alien was way too calm, cool and collected for me to believe he was one of the few/only people on earth to be that close to a visitor from another planet. The poor quality of video(I've seen better on the cheapest cell phone out there). You don't have to believe me, just start picking apart these events detail by detail and you will see the fakery for what it was. I had to laugh at the Ann Heche accident vid. that supposedly claimed her life. If you look closely you will see Ann picking through rubble after the fact. Then they expect us to believe the black car primer they sprayed on her car and the walls of the collapsing house were soot from a fire, then the medics covered her from head to toe with a sheet claiming she was covered in 90% 3rd degree burns, when she just had a little bit of ashes rubbed on her. It's all about content. Give me a break! These people truly insult my intelligence.

  • @andrewvanhorne4359
    @andrewvanhorne4359 Před rokem +7

    The most simple explanation is that the gods, having knowledge of future preoccupations among mortals, were trolling us.

  • @GrandAncientOak
    @GrandAncientOak Před rokem +21

    When I was probably 12 years old, I was outside passing a football with a friend and he yelled and pointed to the sky and we saw something very very similar to the description. It was a flaming molten rectangular shape in the sky. Now I’m 25 and we both remember it to this day.

  • @JR3714
    @JR3714 Před rokem +10

    The wine jar shape is not unlike the vimanas described in India's Mahabharata texts.

  • @garethmartin6522
    @garethmartin6522 Před rokem +87

    Sounds like a meteorite to me. That's surely the most parsimonious explanation. I bet the shape like a wine jar is meant to indicate that it had a head and a tail, and the sky being rent asunder is a reference to a loud bang. I think this is a thing that could have been said of the Chelyabinsk meteor in 2013, depending which angle you saw it from.

    • @3PercentNeanderhal
      @3PercentNeanderhal Před rokem +20

      You've been waiting for a long time to use the word parsimonious in a sentence haven't you?

    • @garethmartin6522
      @garethmartin6522 Před rokem +8

      @@3PercentNeanderhal No. It is the formal scientific jargon.

    • @drewzalo
      @drewzalo Před rokem +2

      Learned a new phrase

    • @garethmartin6522
      @garethmartin6522 Před rokem +1

      @@drewzalo Why would I want to be incorrect?

    • @drewzalo
      @drewzalo Před rokem +2

      @@garethmartin6522 not understanding, i, as in myself, learned a new phrase. Thank you

  • @LCR-iy6xq
    @LCR-iy6xq Před rokem +4

    Missed you man! Great to have an upload from you :)

  • @henrytang2203
    @henrytang2203 Před rokem +7

    This is equivalent to modern humans flying camera drones to observe monkeys.

  • @Joanna-il2ur
    @Joanna-il2ur Před rokem +27

    I know it’s not antiquity, but there is a passage in Bede’s Ecclesiastical History of the English People (731AD) which refers to a UFO hovering over Barking Abbey at the death of the abbess. ‘suddenly a great light lit up the whole area “striking such terror in them that they broke off the chant they were singing in alarm” (Bede, HE IV.7). It was so bright that two brothers in the oratory declared that the light coming in through the windows and cracks lit up the oratory as though it was daylight. Eventually the light concentrated and moved from over the nuns to the west side of the oratory on the south side of the monastery where it hovered for a while before withdrawing into the heavens. This time the sisters were all in agreement that the miraculous light was a guide to carry their souls to heaven but also pointed to the place where their bodies were rest. Soon the plague did indeed reach the sister’s house and the some of them saw the light again.’ This was in 680, I believe. Barking is in Essex, now I London. It was a double monastery and nunnery, controlled by the abbess, who was the King’s sister.

    • @braddbradd5671
      @braddbradd5671 Před rokem +3

      That sounds like ball lighting my dad seen that in India a ball light shot thru the house hit the door knob and bounced of and back out the window

    • @Garwfechan-ry5lk
      @Garwfechan-ry5lk Před rokem +2

      Bede was a Porky pie'r! Take him with a pinch of salt!

    • @Joanna-il2ur
      @Joanna-il2ur Před rokem

      @@Garwfechan-ry5lk There was an article some years ago called The Dark Ages Return. If we dismiss Bede, farewell to that period.

    • @HamCubes
      @HamCubes Před rokem +1

      Joanna, you just ticked all the boxes for this fledgling Bede-ophile/convent school survivor!
      🫡🙏🥳✨🤩

    • @patinho5589
      @patinho5589 Před rokem

      See the Aetherius society. The ufos are engaged in spiritual work.

  • @aaronwilkinson8963
    @aaronwilkinson8963 Před rokem +26

    Isn't there stories of the Romans seeing flying shields

    • @davidhoward4715
      @davidhoward4715 Před rokem +1

      No.

    • @Revelator2025
      @Revelator2025 Před rokem

      Yes there is actually. David Howard isn’t apparently up on the historical record.
      That account was written by a Roman soldier in 98AD.
      Also In 218 BCE, a huge fleet of ships was seen in the sky near Rome.

    • @razony
      @razony Před rokem +5

      How frisbee was invented.

    • @mysterious8152
      @mysterious8152 Před rokem +5

      Alexander the Great during the siege of Cyprus Island 😆

    • @Nozarks1
      @Nozarks1 Před rokem +4

      When Alexander was about to invade India he saw shields in the sky. The animals got scared.

  • @rickparker4047
    @rickparker4047 Před rokem +19

    Both Pliny the Elder and Josephus Flavius wrote of a Battle in the sky over Jerusalem in 70 A.D. They say an army of flying 'chariots' came out of the East and another out of the West.

    • @mcgragor1
      @mcgragor1 Před rokem

      I just commented similar about the signs in AD 66-70, but what most don't know and probably do not believe, is Jesus said there would be signs in the heavens 40 years earlier, when He would come and destroy the city, temple, and basically end the Old Covenant, which is exactly what happened.
      What makes it more credible is Josephus was a Pharisee, he spoke of Jesus briefly, but really didn't think much about it, did not know about the prophesy, yet saw the destruction as judgment from God.
      Another guy later wrote their was also a face in the sky during that time.

  • @DikkieDikism
    @DikkieDikism Před rokem +60

    Uh one problem though.. the way he described it doesn’t sound at all like one would describe omens or prodigies.
    Also the collective surprise and reaction from both armies, clearly something actually happened.
    I disagree it was a meteorite, as you’d have no witnesses left, unless it was tiny, but then you’d talk about the results of something hitting the ground and the impact, as it would go too fast to accurately see.
    If something actually landed, well, it reminds me of a bell shaped object, which fits the description and also the color. (Metallic silver)

    • @bronsondeliac2625
      @bronsondeliac2625 Před rokem +15

      Agreed. This guy is basically saying it was just a hallucination, yet the other army noticed their hallucination also 🤔

    • @BringDHouseDown
      @BringDHouseDown Před rokem +11

      yeah the uploader seems to have in fact done the exact opposite of what he claimed he did not do, which is click bait, but not in the normal sense...you see, he did in fact talk about what the title describes, briefly, but he did bring that title to get our attention, cause all he did in the end was disregard the entire account, do some mental gymnastics, and spoke like a true skeptic

    • @jaroslavpesek6642
      @jaroslavpesek6642 Před rokem +2

      One must realize the description doesnt have to be true.

    • @heressomestuffifound
      @heressomestuffifound Před rokem +4

      @@jaroslavpesek6642 True, but it’s all we have to go off of. So if we are discarding the account why even bother with the video or with reading it at all?

    • @bromisovalum8417
      @bromisovalum8417 Před rokem +4

      @@bronsondeliac2625 an irrational urge to rationalize

  • @WaverGreen
    @WaverGreen Před rokem +8

    There's a pattern of UFO at battles and wars.. attracted to our conflicts.

  • @crayzmarc
    @crayzmarc Před rokem +8

    Well done for your channels growth.

    • @tannertasman
      @tannertasman Před rokem

      the quality of his videos certainly deserve it and more

  • @tinganes26thst
    @tinganes26thst Před rokem +1

    when do you plan to upload part 2 of the video about the lotharian middle kingdom? i just saw the first part, and i really liked it.

  • @leonardgibney2997
    @leonardgibney2997 Před rokem +16

    I'm sure the ancients must have seen these objects. Why would it only be in modern times we see them?

  • @sethdominickortiz
    @sethdominickortiz Před rokem

    hey ninja thanks again, always great

  • @dangaines405
    @dangaines405 Před rokem +4

    Liked and subscribed! Great historical perspectives! Thanks.

  • @heressomestuffifound
    @heressomestuffifound Před rokem +3

    This was interesting but the video didn’t really analyze what it could have been, just that it was interpreted as a sign of some sort. That has very little bearing on what the object actually was.

  • @Chris.Davies
    @Chris.Davies Před rokem +2

    Betteridge's law of Headlines says, "NO!"
    And so does everything else.

  • @bob-rogers
    @bob-rogers Před rokem +3

    "color, like molten silver." I.e., glowing orange.
    Sounds like a meteorite.

    • @dustyhendrix1218
      @dustyhendrix1218 Před rokem +1

      Was ‘molten silver’ another term for mercury? In that case, it would have been shiny, metallic, and reflective.

    • @willbass2869
      @willbass2869 Před rokem +1

      @@dustyhendrix1218 pretty sure Romans knew the difference between mercury & silver and thus specifically named them
      Duh!

  • @perabrahamsson7189
    @perabrahamsson7189 Před rokem +3

    The desciption of this event seem to be rather factual, not a religious interpretation or like a moral anecdote. But roman style in text where however, from my understanding very stoic, so it was maybe hard to tell if they used poetic or superstitious writings style?
    Many of modern day UFO-sigthings occour near nuclear bases and around fighter airplanes. During WW2, there were so many UFOs spotted by figther pilots, thery were named 'Foo figthers'.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 Před 10 měsíci

      To a Roman there wouldn't have been a difference between "factual" or "religious" they believed that both were equally true and had an equally big influence on the world. If you read Roman histories you'll get used to how often omens and divination gets brought up and is clearly taken seriously, a lot of the time the outcome of battles is attributed to them for example.

  • @petersclafani4370
    @petersclafani4370 Před rokem +3

    There is a possibility that Constantine did

  • @fydstar
    @fydstar Před rokem +3

    Maybe yes?! It’s becoming easier to academically discuss UAP’s now.

  • @Al_Gorbachev
    @Al_Gorbachev Před rokem +5

    The Romans were “credible observers of relatively incredible things”

  • @arandomfawn5289
    @arandomfawn5289 Před rokem

    Nice you still alive!

  • @DukeStallion
    @DukeStallion Před rokem +10

    "Unfortunately it is probably not a UFO.." Sounds like a UFO to me. Look at some wine jars out there, especially the fat ones. If you flatten it just a bit and round off the top into a small dome, this particular object would look like a highly polished, metallic, fat flying saucer.

    • @bronsondeliac2625
      @bronsondeliac2625 Před rokem +3

      Right. Guy is just offering up his opinion & cites no evidence

    • @KJH-or9gt
      @KJH-or9gt Před rokem +1

      When you actually get the proper translation from Plutarch’s Lives-Lucullus, you realize IT ABSOLUTELY describes what we commonly see in recent alleged photos of UFOs. The proper translation is as follows: “In the very instant before joining battle, without any perceptible alteration preceding, on a sudden the sky opened, and a large luminous body fell down in the midst between the armies, in shape like a hogshead, but in color like melted silver, insomuch that both armies in alarm withdrew.”
      Two very important differences are “luminous body” and “hogshead” shape. A hogshead is a wine barrel and NOT a wine-jar. Look at an old style wine barrel on its side and it is a very very apt description indeed.

  • @tavuzzipust7887
    @tavuzzipust7887 Před rokem +3

    Has any research been done on kites in classical antiquity ?

    • @Iturnright
      @Iturnright Před rokem +1

      Per wikipedia, their invention is attributed to 5th century BC China, with fairly significant use during the time period of classical antiquity. Per the article, there is no evidence the Romans had kites, but windsock-like banners were known and used by them.

  • @JD-tk7lz
    @JD-tk7lz Před rokem +2

    With a name like "The Historians's Craft" you could 100% pivot to well documented ancient ufo sightings

  • @tobystewart4403
    @tobystewart4403 Před rokem +2

    In the end, the weight of testimony governs our perceptions of fact.

  • @urbandecay3436
    @urbandecay3436 Před rokem +1

    Its a relief to know that UAPs are just prodigies and not aliens.

  • @RamblinJer
    @RamblinJer Před rokem +2

    Ok, I got to come clean. It was actually me in my time machine the day I went back and changed the past so they all had ridiculous sounding names.

  • @RalphEllis
    @RalphEllis Před rokem +5

    This was a description of the eIagabal stone (the omphaIos of Dephi).
    The eIagabal was eventually taken to Rome by Emperor EIagabalus.
    The eIagabal was a meteorite.
    R

    • @Joanna-il2ur
      @Joanna-il2ur Před rokem

      He wanted it to mate with the lapis niger, the famous black stone of Rome. He brought it over from Edessa, modern Homs in Syria, which is where his familycame from. As you say, probably a meteorite. In the Ka’aba in Mecca there is also a black stone, revered by Muslims as a sign from God. It was already there long before the prophet. If you want a meteorite in high antiquity, there is a myth In Ovid’s Metamorphoses about Phaethon, son of Helios the sun god. Helios fatally promised his son that he could take the reins of the sun chariot, but the boy lost control and the chariot veered wildly through the sky, causing problems over the Nile. At last Zeus exploded the chariot and killed Phaethon to save the world. The boy crashed into the Po in North Italy. This seems like a folk story to explain a real event, massively distorted over time. You can find it at the very beginning of Book 2 of the Metamorphoses, finishing a cliffhanger at the end of Book 1. It seems very old, possibly Neolithic.

  • @alicedanger
    @alicedanger Před 10 měsíci +2

    This video could be one second long: "No." Roll credits.

  • @stonehartfloydfan
    @stonehartfloydfan Před rokem +14

    could be possible that all they saw was a meteor?

    • @jfk8540
      @jfk8540 Před rokem +8

      right a silver meteor in the shape of a jar? the description of it being a jar to me suggests that they recognized lines/curvature as the object being unnatural

    • @surfinmuso37
      @surfinmuso37 Před rokem +1

      @@jfk8540 Exactly.

    • @billdehappy1
      @billdehappy1 Před rokem +1

      @@jfk8540 why aliens be flying around in a jar? riddcoules

    • @koinzellascheriit4282
      @koinzellascheriit4282 Před rokem

      ​@PellzoPiri151 it was the new "Yzzhu Jar - Gen. 2", every little dipshit alien crashed with this after 2 shots of Glalsnm.
      Now u know.

    • @pureruckuspower2165
      @pureruckuspower2165 Před rokem +7

      ​@PeaceGuerilla the shape sounds just like the teardrop shape you see when meteors come in. It was the shape of a wine jar. Not a pickle jar.

  • @ciceroorator1374
    @ciceroorator1374 Před rokem

    Are there descriptions of similar prodigies?

  • @JonyRotten
    @JonyRotten Před rokem +4

    If it was an object that was flying and it was unidentifiable. then yes they saw a Unidentified Flying Object

  • @keirfarnum6811
    @keirfarnum6811 Před rokem +4

    Alexander the Great reported seeing “flying shields” during the Battle of Gaugamela (IIRC) that flew into a river. He had equipment built to examine the bottom of the river because he was so intrigued.

    • @alexatedw
      @alexatedw Před rokem +1

      Sources

    • @chuckleezodiac24
      @chuckleezodiac24 Před rokem +2

      @@alexatedw Gaugamela? some say Tyre. but it was at the Hydaspes.
      alas there are no ancient sources for this fictional story which has been traced back to a book from 1959 called Stranger than Science by Frank Edwards.

  • @pcka12
    @pcka12 Před rokem +2

    It was probably just a rocket broken through the time barrier from the 20th century!

  • @j.d.waterhouse4197
    @j.d.waterhouse4197 Před rokem +3

    Has anyone gone to the site to see if they can find a meteorite impact?

  • @kokoeteantigha389
    @kokoeteantigha389 Před rokem +3

    They scrambled two chariots to give chase, didn't they?

  • @jaywalker1233
    @jaywalker1233 Před rokem

    well thanks for clearing that up…

  • @donspain7888
    @donspain7888 Před rokem +5

    they could have been germanic or celtic drones

  • @carsonpaullee
    @carsonpaullee Před rokem +2

    A Better question is is it the one we caught on camera?

  • @rickm9244
    @rickm9244 Před rokem +16

    What you have to remember is that if someone of importance said something was a sign from God or a God. Chances are people would 100% believe it without question. To them God's were as real as the hands in front of your face. Of course you would have people that would have lost faith. We would say they were stupid for believing in such things but they wouldn't have thought so. They would have took strength from being involved is events like this. Or claimed events.

    • @DikkieDikism
      @DikkieDikism Před rokem +5

      I disagree, as in, sometimes you would be right about it, but sometimes something is described that’s so out of the ordinary you can’t explain it in a black and white manner.
      Also keep in mind, to the ancient Greeks for example, it would have been normal at first to see a god walk among them.
      They wrote about that plenty, in fact it was so common that people were surprised when it suddenly didn’t happen anymore, which was so notable that it sparked an entire academic (philosophical) discussion that lasted centuries in to trying to guess why the gods stopped coming.
      I think we need to stop pretending we know better or know more.
      We made some advances, certainly, but it all comes forth from those ancient days.. all the way up to the early 20th century.

    • @mcgragor1
      @mcgragor1 Před rokem

      @@DikkieDikism Some people like the late Dr. Michael Heiser believed there were other gods that were among them or at least that they worshipped, but all of it was sanctioned my the one true God.

  • @Enzo012
    @Enzo012 Před rokem +1

    'My favorite, which comes from Plutarch’s life of Romulus, begins with an enormous phantom
    penis suddenly appearing in the fireplace of an Alban king. The penis refused to go away - I
    imagine the king swatting at it with a poker - and so the king consulted with the local oracle,
    who told him that the penis would only vanish if one of the king’s daughters had sex with it. This
    seemed perfectly reasonable to the king, and so, at what must have been a very awkward family
    meeting, he convened his daughters and informed them of the oracle’s advice. The princesses,
    understandably, were not enthusiastic, so they sent one of their maids to do the job. The maid
    complied; and nine months later - so the story goes - Romulus and Remus were born. '
    So kind of thing? But I thought they just made stuff like that up not that they actually saw it?

  • @0Metatron
    @0Metatron Před rokem +1

    I love it when ppl say things like “the truth” is far more exciting than a UFO or aliens….Pah!!
    Nothing is or ever will be more important than meeting the beings that have been visiting this planet for thousands of years

  • @brianbanks703
    @brianbanks703 Před rokem +1

    No mention of an asteroid (the colour could be metallic or sun reflection)?

  • @avedic
    @avedic Před rokem +1

    It would be so fascinating to see, with my own eyes, the actual event. Tho u could say that about any historical event really.

  • @dougbell9543
    @dougbell9543 Před rokem +8

    Comets and meteorites were much more common in the ancient world. Seneca, Cicero and others mention these occurrences. ✔️

    • @uncletiggermclaren7592
      @uncletiggermclaren7592 Před rokem +7

      It is almost a CERTAINTY that the incidence of meteorites has remained constant taken across the entire 12 000 years of the Holocene. And of course, the incidence of Comets is as regular as clockwork, it is impossible that they could have changed.
      If they WERE more commonly referred to in ancient literature, ( which you would struggle to prove, as so MANY hundred of times more books are written now, most ancient texts are lost, and the two can subsequently never be accurately compared ) which claim I instinctively hold the gravest doubt about given the technical texts about them extant today number in the thousands, if not tens of thousands, one reason would obviously be the light pollution at night time in the modern world.
      Most people NEVER see even stars from their modern city dwellings. And EVER light in the night sky was seen by everyone facing it in the ancient world.

    • @dougbell9543
      @dougbell9543 Před rokem +1

      @@uncletiggermclaren7592 Uniformitarianism never accepts the testimony of the ancient writers. Thanks for the lecture. 😉

    • @uncletiggermclaren7592
      @uncletiggermclaren7592 Před rokem +2

      @@dougbell9543 False. Any scientist accepts their writings at face value. Which is the untested opinions of relatively uninformed (secondhand in most cases) observers, i.e. valueless for scientific means.
      You are welcome.

    • @dougbell9543
      @dougbell9543 Před rokem +1

      @@uncletiggermclaren7592 I stand firmly behind my previous comment. 😉

    • @apurbadeb6479
      @apurbadeb6479 Před rokem +1

      It's a strange phenomenon
      It seems that the mother nature has become much kind and forgiving towards us in recent past

  • @brianpeterson5559
    @brianpeterson5559 Před rokem +2

    Interesting... Recently learnd Christopher Columbus had an entry in his log of seeing lights come out of the ocean

  • @shamrock5725
    @shamrock5725 Před rokem +3

    So no speculation on what it could have been, just the musings on how the peoples of the time felt about it...

    • @dialecticcoma
      @dialecticcoma Před rokem +4

      speculate away mate. i reckon it was icarus who fell through a time portal

  • @8bitorgy
    @8bitorgy Před rokem +1

    Did the romans know how to differentiate between different types of meteorites?
    They couldn't be that inept not to be able to recognize one

  • @Rynewulf
    @Rynewulf Před rokem +1

    I imagine ufos were quite common before glasses were common

  • @marcusott2973
    @marcusott2973 Před rokem +3

    Is it the same Lucullus as the one from the collection of recipes?😊

    • @Joanna-il2ur
      @Joanna-il2ur Před rokem +2

      Yep. He also introduced cherries, plums and peaches from Persia. Peach meant Persian apple. The gardens of Lucullus were famous.

  • @JamesTrue
    @JamesTrue Před rokem +1

    Did Sam the Eagle narrate this? Great job!

  • @Srekwah
    @Srekwah Před rokem +3

    Sounds like something a Mondoshawan (5th Element) would step out of.

  • @apotheosis2065
    @apotheosis2065 Před rokem +1

    How about the newspaper article from sweden that had a giant battle drawn out of what happened that day. My favorite story from history. That one or the one in the bible about the pillar of fire by night and the cloud by day in the sky

  • @CAMacKenzie
    @CAMacKenzie Před rokem +6

    All right, it was a prodigy, an unusual occurrance that was taken to have prophetic meaning. Something was seen to fall, "a hugh, flame-like body," that "In shape, it was most like a wine-jar, and in color, like molten silver." Apparently a lot of people saw this thing, so, presumably, it was something real. What was it? From the description of it being "flame-like" it doesn't sound like a meteor, as meteors, by the time they reach the ground, are generally cold or nearly so, not "flame-like." Ann Hodges, when she was hit by a meteor that fell through the roof of her house in 1954, was badly bruised, but not burned. Did anyone in either army think to go look at the thing, or was it seen as too holy to approach? I'm not inclined to believe it was an alien spaceship, though, without better evidence, I wouldn't rule it out. It has to remain unidentified, and that, after all, is the essence of what a UFO is, an UNIDENTIFIED flying object.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 Před 10 měsíci

      I'd think that meteorites are pretty flame like given that they're fiery balls of light streaking across the sky.

    • @CAMacKenzie
      @CAMacKenzie Před 10 měsíci

      @@hedgehog3180 Only at high altitude.

  • @cjvaye99
    @cjvaye99 Před rokem

    this is something im fascinated by and can't really find much content on ( ufo's seen on ancient times). anytime i look for info i get ancient aliens clips.

    • @chuckleezodiac24
      @chuckleezodiac24 Před rokem

      if you like reading, Jacques Vallee wrote a book called Wonders in the Sky: Unexplained Aerial Objects from Antiquity to Modern Times.

    • @orlandoventor1754
      @orlandoventor1754 Před 9 měsíci

      You're being plagued not by the lack of what you search for but by how you're going about it,or, more precisely,the terms you used in your search.May I suggest that,in the future,you refrain from using any terms relating to UFO's,ET's, flying saucers,or any other in the same vein,in your quest. If I was a betting man I would bet a considerable amount that you'd achieve much better results.

  • @paulnicoll7431
    @paulnicoll7431 Před rokem +1

    The colleseum is actually an internation spaceport

  • @Mrnewkrakbo
    @Mrnewkrakbo Před rokem +2

    Is anyone thinking of "Omen" by The Prodigy?

    • @LuDux
      @LuDux Před rokem +1

      AUGUR PEOPLE! MAGIC PEOPLE!

  • @dai19721
    @dai19721 Před rokem +2

    when he said its probably not a UFO . I switched off.

  • @Greebstreebling
    @Greebstreebling Před rokem +1

    There was that Star Trek episode where the crew went back to the 1960's, so perhaps they also went back to Roman times - there was quite a long spell of Roman occupation in the U.K. from AD43 to AD410, so perhaps it was the Star Trek guys? Much more likely than Dr Who's TARDIS thing IMO.

    • @fearrp6777
      @fearrp6777 Před rokem

      Tardis is very real and can be explained with science. Try again.

    • @cutekanjii
      @cutekanjii Před rokem

      It was red dwarf with kryten in the driving seat

  • @JohnAranita
    @JohnAranita Před rokem +5

    When I was 6, I had my own UFO. It would travel throughout the Universe. I never saw it in person.

  • @stefanf922
    @stefanf922 Před rokem +1

    Sounds more like a meteorite.

  • @BalthazarMyrrh70
    @BalthazarMyrrh70 Před rokem

    Set your phasers for "stun."

  • @deiansalazar140
    @deiansalazar140 Před rokem +2

    THC, can you do a video on what the medieval world thought about the world's past?

  • @ShrimplyPibblesJr
    @ShrimplyPibblesJr Před rokem +4

    Time travelers for sure

  • @pedrotalons1422
    @pedrotalons1422 Před rokem

    "Did romans see a ufo" i cannot put into words how fast i clicked on this video!

  • @lastsipahi
    @lastsipahi Před rokem

    Back then It was very easy to explain an unidentified flying object. Today, not so.

  • @ConradSpoke
    @ConradSpoke Před rokem +3

    tldr: they saw a meteor

    • @marcv2648
      @marcv2648 Před rokem +1

      That wasn't a description of a meteor. Sounds like something someone who has never seen a meteor would say.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 Před 10 měsíci

      @@marcv2648 The writer wasn't actually there to witness these events so yeah he probably has never seen a meteor.

  • @JonathanReynolds1
    @JonathanReynolds1 Před rokem +1

    Ezekiel mentions wheels with eyes flying through the skies.

  • @quercus5398
    @quercus5398 Před rokem +2

    In a span of 1000 years the Romans experienced everything,and not every thing is known!

  • @TheWorldBelow360
    @TheWorldBelow360 Před rokem +2

    Ehhh, somebody probably dropped a bottle of booze that “somehow” caught miraculously on fire, and many in the field thought it was a shame, so they offered to conspire, and blamed it on the Minarets from somewheres across that Isle.

  • @gm2407
    @gm2407 Před rokem +1

    Description indicates a meteor.

  • @chrisyuri4187
    @chrisyuri4187 Před rokem +1

    I choose to believe it was some greys checking out wtf we were doin on that field while smoking weed, going "very cool"

  • @xIxAmxKh2xI
    @xIxAmxKh2xI Před rokem

    What episode of ancient aliens is this?

  • @weerobot
    @weerobot Před rokem

    Future Historians Traveling Back to See Historic Wars..

  • @copperdragon9041
    @copperdragon9041 Před rokem +2

    I can't seem to follow your logic from witnessing a physical event that split two armies to discussing less tangible omens and prodigys. Are you saying the event did not happen?

    • @Joanna-il2ur
      @Joanna-il2ur Před rokem

      There is a much earlier account of an eclipse separating warring Greek and Persian armies. It’s believed that the Babylonians had observed the regularities of eclipses. There are many accounts of eclipses, but in most cases the dates given by the source are rubbish. Bede was the only credible source.

    • @bronsondeliac2625
      @bronsondeliac2625 Před rokem

      Agreed. This video is a big L

    • @KJH-or9gt
      @KJH-or9gt Před rokem

      Hold up! When you actually get the proper translation from Plutarch’s Lives-Lucullus, you realize IT ABSOLUTELY describes what we commonly see in recent alleged photos of UFOs. The proper translation is as follows: “In the very instant before joining battle, without any perceptible alteration preceding, on a sudden the sky opened, and a large luminous body fell down in the midst between the armies, in shape like a hogshead, but in color like melted silver, insomuch that both armies in alarm withdrew.”
      Two very important differences are “luminous body” and “hogshead” shape. A hogshead is a wine barrel and NOT a wine-jar. Look at an old style wine barrel on its side and it is a very very apt description indeed.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 Před 10 měsíci

      The writer wasn't actually there to witness the battle so yeah he might have just made it up whole cloth to make some sort of point about religion.

  • @dudejit12345
    @dudejit12345 Před rokem

    I saw three Sunday 1257 am at full moon one emerald green, one, the red and one black and I only can see them when the lightning lit up the sky

  • @dgh25
    @dgh25 Před rokem +1

    So UFOs falls from the sky? Or was this just a meteor?

  • @stevespanos75
    @stevespanos75 Před rokem +2

    What were Myths once - and - are true today. How would they have described an Airplane, or a Rocket 2,000 years ago, or a Laptop ? No words for them, except for Supernatural or Magic.

  • @silveryuno
    @silveryuno Před rokem

    Here's something I just discoverd and am sharing around to the history buffs I know:
    Around the 17min mark of Dragon Ball Episode 44 (not Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball) the characters are hanging out at a sculpture garden and in that sculpture garden is a pink replica of the "Serpent Column" !!O_O!!

  • @miljenkorebernisak5385
    @miljenkorebernisak5385 Před rokem +3

    ... so the Romans named it a "Vehiculum Nonidentificatum Volans" in Latin, meaning an Unidentified Flying Vehicle...😜🤣🤣🤣🛸💨

  • @jihadijohn9408
    @jihadijohn9408 Před rokem

    We need a discord server for the subscribers of this channel

  • @ianwattsOfficial
    @ianwattsOfficial Před rokem

    I didn't know that they had 🍭 back then 😢 hope they came in different colours

  • @Tom_Quixote
    @Tom_Quixote Před 11 měsíci

    Pretty sure this had something to do with Asterix.

  • @wonkawilly5573
    @wonkawilly5573 Před rokem

    You almost sound like Egon Spengler. 😊

  • @stevekaczynski3793
    @stevekaczynski3793 Před rokem

    A meteor? Probably burning up in the atmosphere as a significant impact might have been powerful enough to wipe out both armies.

  • @coachlawlor
    @coachlawlor Před rokem

    Thats funny because that same shape and color fell just a few days ago in Las Vegas in some dudes backyard.

  • @adrianmasters250
    @adrianmasters250 Před rokem

    I feel like there's a lot of rationalising going on here when the obvious answer is that they did see a UFO during the battle.