The Indian Tradition of Thought on Governance | Shri Sanjeev Sanyal |
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About The Talk:
Governance is a subjective and an opinionated topic, people have their ideas on what good governance looks like, what are the features of a functional governance setup or the principles and philosophies on which the governance should be based upon. India is also not an exception and neither was in the past, we had a vibrant culture of discussions and debates on governance, and texts like Mahabharata, Ramayan, Arthashastra, and Nitisara are some gems of it.
In this enriching talk, Shri Sanjeev Sanyal takes us through the the topic of the Indian Tradition of Thoughts on Governance that evolved from the Bronze Age to the Modern Age with the times and society in the land of Bharat.
About The Speaker:
Sanjeev Sanyal is an Economic Advisor to the Government of India. An internationally acclaimed economist and best-selling author, he spent two decades in the financial sector and was Global Strategist & Managing Director at Deutsche Bank till 2015. He was named Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum in 2010. He is also a well-known environmentalist and urban theorist. In 2007, he was awarded the Eisenhower Fellowship for his work on urban dynamics. He has been a Visiting Scholar at Oxford University, Adjunct Fellow at the Institute of Policy Studies, Singapore and a Senior Fellow of the World Wide Fund for Nature. He has also served on the Future City Sub-Committee of the Singapore government tasked with building a long-term vision for the city-state.
Sanjeev attended Shri Ram College of Commerce, Delhi and Oxford University where he was a Rhodes Scholar (1992-95). His best-selling books include Land of the Seven Rivers, The Indian Renaissance and The Ocean of Churn, all published by Penguin. In addition, he had published around 200 articles, columns and reports in leading national/international publications. He was given the inaugural International Indian Achievers Award for contributions to Literature in 2014. He has been a Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society, London and a Visiting Fellow of IDFC Institute, Mumbai.
Topics Covered:
00:00 Introduction of the speaker
02:56 Opening statement by the speaker
04:09 Topic Introduction
06:44 Governance in the Indian Bronze Age
10:34 Governance in the Indian Iron Age
12:52 The idea of Matsya Nyaya
13:32 The concept of Dharma in governance
15:10 Dharma Shastras should be seen as opinions
15:46 Ramayan Vs Mahabharata on Governance
21:43 Ideas of Guru Brihaspati and Shukracharya on Governance
25:17 The story of Kautilya
26:58 Arthashastra on Governance
30:04 kautilya's Strong but Limited State
32:58 Kautilya's approach in economic policies
33:52 Principles of Arthashastra can be applied even today
35:13 Ashoka's Rebellion
37:52 Ashoka's Governance
40:42 India's first experiment with Big Government ended in Tears
41:46 kamandaka's Nitisara
47:48 Sad state of manuscripts in India
50:25 Ideas of Raja Madhavrao
55:51 Conclusion
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Accesibility of knowledge is the biggest blessing of CZcams.. Fantastic to listen.
This is what actual Bharateeya people can do!
Instead of bootlocking everything from white masters like a party used to do.
We have a lot of knowledge and that knowledge was into dusts for the last 1000 years including 70 years of Independence...
Thankyou Sanyal ji for pointing out..❤
Krishnadevaraya composed the Amuktamalyada, a renowned epic poem in classical Telugu about the Tamil saint Andal. In his masterpiece the king embedded some eighty verses on raja-niti or statecraft.
I think he's talking about siddhant, not niti.
There is also Ramchandra Pant's text called the 'Adnyapatra' who was the Amatya [finance minister] of Shivaji Maharaj. Interestingly in the text Ramchandra Pant already states that Europeans should never be given land to conduct trade.
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@@jupe2001 he mentions that in the video
I always love to hear you Mr Sanyal
One of the most informative lectures I’ve heard. Thank you Mr Sanyal
The system of Governance in ancient India flows from Karma theory and rebirth based on Karma whose four pillars are (1) truth, (2) non-violence, (3) equality, (4) love. It was very decentralized system, people mostly governing themselves as we see still in village panchayat system.
Thankyou for this lecture. 🙏
Insightful and torchbearing.
This is a real gem video I have seen or listened to!
All these things must be in our textbooks in school in some brief form to establish the morality & essence of the priciples in the kids of bharat.
I really respect Shri Sanjeev sir, and glad that he is in the government advisory for the good of the nation.
Vande Mataram!
Its time for us to learn the best practices of administration and economic management from our own culture and literature, experiences of our historic benevolent kings and queens.
Well said.
Excellent interpretations of Indic Governance model, its principles and historical context.
Most enlightening presentation. Thank you.
Wonderful synthesis of major points of law from the itihaasa and Arthasaastra by Shri Sanjeev Sanyal. This should be shown in high school classrooms under NEP. May I make a small suggestion here that we refer to our itihaasa as such and not as 'epics'. It is important that we preserve the vocabulary which embeds vital meaning.
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Lawa kucha was born in Valmiki Ashram this was Matha Seethas wish when she went to Valmiki Ashram along with Sri Ram. Her wish came true, Sri.Ram fulfilled her wish, as it was felt her home ( she was sent to her mother's place). There she gave birth to her twin baby Lava Kucha. She felt at home there.
Just wow, excellent,
What an amazing lecture. If anyone has a list of reference books for further reading, please do share.
Hindu polity by kp jaiswal
Thank you ❤
Great broadcast
It was so enlightning to hear about the underlying principles of governance
From bhrispati ,shukr.
To chankya
To kamantha
Driving analogies from ramayan , mahabharat..
A treat to ears..😊
One of the brightest scholars ably assisting PM Modi, part of the extremely brilliant nationalists ,serving our Bharat. God bless you immensely.
Its wonderful that the practical knowledge is being taken from the wealth of Sanatanatreasure of vedas, upanishads etc.
This is Called strategic thinking👏👏👏👏👏
Wish new generation of scholars undertake proper research on our glorious past like the speaker Shri Sanjeev Sanyal, Prof Annand, Sai Deepak, Vikram Sampath etc.These scholars had enough material wealth and name but still preferred to work hard on matters of public policy, history etc.
God bless him
Thankyou
simply the best
Great.......❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤..
Thanks 🙏🙏 for the talk, we need more....
Excellent and studios
good lecture
Very useful
Very, very good lecture!
So nice
Liked thiz huge information and perspective,
What we are missing from 1947 is that inspite of freedom we got we didnt do anything to study impact of 1000 years of external rule and influence, nor we studied texts from last 7000 years or 5000 years•
Nothing on this in education from nursery to phd, so what will we learn•
Thanks!
Thank you For Your Support!
Any study available on governance in the Chola and Vijaynagar empire.
Thanks Sri.Sanyal,for your bringing back the importance of Indic governance.
Thanks
Thank you For Your Support!
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So appreciable statement. Prohibition is not that good. Regulation is the most effective method since if there is suppression, there is rebellion.
Also Prohibition leads to a black market. And government official start taking bribes to allow that black market.
Exceptionally excellent lecture Sanjeev Sanyalji BUT PLEASE🙏🙏 Use the word ITIHAASA and not Epics...
Dont preach to the choir 😂
@@ambhat3953 Epic according to an English dictionary may mean as a poetic form but unfortunately It has always been associated with Mythology meaning myth and that which is just a narrated STORY and not that which has really happened in time... So.. What you say is correct if one knows the technicalities of Literature and Language.. In this context There is a huge amount of Reinforcement that has to happen specially in Bharat because change happens within. We should be confident about Ramayana and Mahabharata as History Ithihasa.. Rest is assured.. 🙂
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The current research in Astronomical evidences by medical doctor of Pune PV Vartak and such as Nilesh Oak indicate Rigved around 22,000 years ago, Ramayan 12000 n Mahabharat 7500 years ago
Beautiful history of Bharat
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There is a text called nitivakyamritam by somadeva suri
I had huge respect for him and it just crashed after hearing this lecture. For example, "there is no Kingdom that enforced the Dharmaśaśtrās" just shows that he has not read Valmiki Rāmāyaṇā or Vyasa's Mahabharatha. Maybe he read Devdutt Patnaik's interpretations.
Or maybe you're just a Pakistani
He just means that hindus were self regulating, each person has their own sense of Dharma.
@@darkprince2490 maybe. But his comments tend to mean otherwise.
Maybe he has given a perspective. The Dharma is required to be regained by this generation.
We need to learn Sanskrit now to regain Dharma
@@Lawyer_Hindutva I agree we need to learn Sānskrit. He has given a perspective which is warped.
Awesome lecture
Brilliant analysis
Contrary to popular perception, Rama Rajya was not during Rama’s rule. It was when his Padukas were on the throne and the kingdom followed the spirit of Rama rajya.
I do not know how it is with Hindi readers but, good modern English translations and up to date gloss and comments are hard to find. It is important to be able to place these works side by side with texts of other parts of the world for the non scholars.
It should be mentioned that we will never know how many treatises on economics, policy, governance and community life were lost when temples and libraries were burnt by Islamic invaders. At such times, the reality that a city near Nalanda University is named "Bakhtiyarpur" in "independent" India slaps one hard and sharp. Truly, what a deracinated, rootless, ignorant "majority" population.
12:40 but how would that era even have rigid laws or understanding? These events are what created this next phase of civilizational globally.
Rajiv Dixit and rajiv malhotra, 2 gem of India 🙏❤
great discussion. india needs to embrace its dharmic governance and start to decolonize.
Sir suggest to have some ppts as it becomes difficult to listen beyond 20-30 mins
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Worried about collapse of India State, as the present scenario of Indian society, compells State to expand its economic and legal capacity throughout the state, through out the deep route of society. Now almost maximum dandaniti has been taken away - seems to shown more Liberal , more popular. Now the conception of patriotism, religious life ,purity , duty fulness, obediency - like basic qualities, are going to be weaker in human society. Bishnu ( symbol of Chatanya) and Garurh ( symbol of knowledge) are being neglected . It will collapse the whole society all on a sudden. Jai Hind.
❤️🙏 MODIJI 🙏❤️
How to preserve these thoughts for eternity?
I hope Modi ji watches this speech and follows it. I hope Sanjeev Sanyal gives this speech to the current government.
Modi knows how to rule India and Sanyal is his advisor
@@udayaperuvaje8701 and you are his chamcha?
सनातन संविधान, सनातन अर्थ नीति,पर्यावरण नीति,मानव संसाधन नीति ,शिक्षा नीति बननी और तुरंत कार्यान्वित होनी चाहिए ।क्रिश्चियन विद्यालय और अस्पताल का बहिष्कार करे ।भारत से इनका बोरिया-बिस्तर उठवाना आवश्यक है।जो क्रिश्चियन विद्यालय मे पढ़े उसे नीचा दिखाएं।
Robust systems and governance. Plus accountable and transparent institutions! Zero tolerance for corruption! Swift justice and accountability!
Some.insights :
* chanakya hated freebies
Was against any welfarian state
*was pro for, strong but limited state .
>>>Ashoka's welfarian , interfering & extended approach ,
Lead to the empiree crumbling..(even. During his rule)
The word limited & extended ,.here doesnt refer to areas..
But the extent governance of state..i.e indiviidualism...
17:00 Weren't Ramayana and Mahabharat written for different time periods. Every age needs to define what is Dharma for that time as per the new of that time and circumstances. Is this assumption correct?
It's said that huge number of Sanskrit, Pali documents available in India at well as museums and private collections abroad. Would these collections have economic or governance treatises? We won't know till we are able to get access to these documents and do research on the theories or principles given theirin.
Are WE wiser than our ancestors ?
How does Chand Ashoka square up with having become Budhist even before ascending the throne? What is significance of Ashoka being a Buddhist?
Sir i read the original Ramayana, it clearly says 25000 slokas and 25000 slokas are alomg with uthararamayna.
I lile how you interpret it. But fact is fact, uthararamayanam is part of the entire ramaynam.
Have you come across Laksmi Dhara's Kritya Kalpataru? The Benaras Hindu University may help ypu
Collapse of Mauryan Empire after Ashok was result of failure of policies as mentioned in Kautilya's Arthshastra or due to Ashok's idea to limit military might under Baudhayan influence ?
Ashoka pushed his own agenda and failed 😂
Ashoka never followed it ideas of Kautilya..
Speaker already talked about how Ashoka completely destroyed Maurya Empire..
The Mauryan empire collapsed because Ashoka did not follow the ideas of Arthashasthra.
Uttara khanda in ramayana was added later , uttara khanda is not authentic part of ramayana
For first time i see Sanyal has not understood the vedas , kala etc . He is using bronze , iron , etc age as reference and trying to mapping the events to that timeline ..
Everyone has thei limitations, if you've something add please do
Instead of making fun of snyal
Now, we are finally rest with the debate. Why Raghunandan chopped shudras head. In spite of the fact he felt loathing towards himself and the law .
Scholars knowledgeable about writing styles believe that Uttarakanda was not part of the original Valmiki Ramayana, and was an addition by some other writer.
@@nrusimha11 I am absolutely not concerned with uttarakhanda. For me Rama is an epitome of might and purushartha. And no amount of brainwashing can change the fact.
You should read that portion of the Ramayana to understand why. The reason is clearly laid out. It has nothing to do with his varna.
Every country has its own culture & way of functioning. Why Bharat should be neutral? Indians r working all over India but their culture religion is not imposed on the govt to entertain. Infact Indians have their own limitations there, they have to strictly follow the rules of that Nation. Like wise here Hinduism is a prominent religion from ancient times if some of them adopt to different religions it's not our problem, for that saje the constitution can't be changed r the law can't change according to them. Better govt change the names of roads named of invaders, history books in education to be completely changed. Everything should & must be according to Hinduism in administration.
@17:43 Sanjeev Sanyal mentions 'uttara kanda was not part of original valmiki ramayana' (while giving no proof). Project Shivoham ( czcams.com/video/pREAeOHZQMU/video.html ) shows that it was originally a part of valmiki ramayana and gives evidence within valmiki ramayana itself.
I don't think that the concept of "law" existed in India in the same sense as in the Roman Empire or as it existed amongst Semitic peoples. What existed were merely सिद्धांत or सूत्र
The few things I disagree on in this video is-
1) Bharatiya Itihaas is not 7000 years old, it is about 196 Crore years old according to mula path (मूल पाठ) done before homa or yagya.
2) Shukra Niti mentions gunpowder, guns and Cannons is not a medieval mixture in the text. All these advanced weapons then existed 9 lakh years ago during period of Shri Rama and 5500 years ago during period of Shri Krishna.
You can confirm this fact by comparing the sanskrit writing of medieval and ancient period.
And another suggestion. You spread awareness about how Marxist communist historians and western writers write a biased history so their method of History writing, so how can you blindly believe in the methods of science to carbon date and western theories. Darwin's theory of evolution was debunked during his lifetime itself and an anti-darwin or anti-evolution theory got nobel prize too. Yet we are taught about it today so that we consider ourselves not humans but animals and live in the falsehood of ourselves being evolved from apes.
So we must consider that humans came into existence as humans only and not evolve from apes. This will make our puranic chronology, ramayan and mahabharat events too not mythology but true fact based history.
Can you debate with Acharya Prashant on this 196 crore years?
@@carrad123456can you prove there's brahman you or anybody can't but it doesn't mean there is no brahman. It only depends on who you want to believe the rishis who experienced ultimate reality which is beyond intellect above intellect there are two stages chitt and ahankar and in sankhya philosophy one more as mahat and above it is brahmaleen stage. And every precedent state can't describe upper state but can only gives some hints that there is something more. And modern day historians and scientists are limited to intellect.
@@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv human history is about intellect only•
We hope Congress educate themselves!!!
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It's the need of the time..
Why don't you go to Jagadgurus like Puri Shankaracharya.
They know much better. These scriptures especially.
Read Vichar Piyush by Karapatri ji Maharaj.
True. One comment that makes sense. 👩🦱🙏🙏🙏
Why we are speaking in english?
Enjoy listening in Hindi. Why not make it common language which would unite us . Think about it with open mind.
What about non-hindi speakers? English is more common. If we really want a national language, we should go for sanskrit.
Then what about non-sanskrit speaking people ? The debate is futile. Better to make any One Indian language as national language. I don't care even if it's bhojpuri or manipuri. But not western language as national language. English at best, should be One of the official languages
1:20 aese bcche humare class me reading krte to english vali mam punishment dedeti 😂
Sir, with due respect, perhaps you need to listen to some interpretations by traditional scholars about the Kaikeyi's boon, Vali vadan and the banishment of Sita...why it was that Rama acted the way he did. Then, you may change your conclusions. It is very difficult to remove the contemporary lens from our eyes.
Muslims introduced manasabari system 😢😮
How many decades before we are disabused of falsiified narrative of history. Ashoka doesn't deserve the place he occupies in our minds .
Sanyal is loose on the dating of the Rig veda and the Ramayana and Mahabharata. This should be avoided.
3 min intro
हमारे भारतीय बुद्धिजीवियों को भी अब अंग्रेज़ी छोड़के हिन्दी में भाषा या अभिभाषण देना चाहिए।
economist lecturing on structure of Govt..take a break pal..
Stopped watching at 10.38. He knows nothing about Vedas and he's the advisor to PM 😂
It seems Ashoka was more like Aurangzeb turned into Xi Jinping!
...very simple the governance in india has always been on the caste system ,the upper caste ruled and oppressed the lower caste...
The guy standing and moving around behind the speaker is very distracting and irritating.
Scary that Sanjeev Sanyal promoter by WEF 🤬
MR SANYAL is making videos on the subject but making no efforts towards implementation as insider in PMs circle. He is not even able to( or willing) to tackle wikipedia and similar channels for spreading misinformation against him. Very low expactations from such a man towards change.
Kautilya is fiction of jenevudhari.
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@@saitandale8482 tandel bhau, mauryanni (chandragupt & asoka ) hey prakrat, pali, brahmi, kharoshti bhasha waparat hote.
Chandragupt maurya isa purva 400 mhanje sumare 2400 varsha purvi hovun gela. Chandragupt maurya jain hota, toh akheras jain muni dakshin bharataat aala.
Tyachya naatu asoka tyachya nantar 45 varsh rajjya kele. Asia khandaat buddhism cha prasar kela. Kadhihi Sanskrit bhasha waparele naahi. Toh isa purva 300 cha aahe mhanje toh 2300 varsha aadhi bharatat rajjya kele. Asok che sagale likhaan kharoshti, pali, brahmi, prakrat madhey lihile gele. Sanskrit mulich naahi
Sanskrit pahilyaanda bharataat record hoto isa purva 100 saali. Mhanje Sanskrit lihinaare 2100 saali purva teh pan jujubi record. Kuthlaahi motha granth naahi.
Mahanje zar chandraguptaachi kuthalaahi likhaan Sanskrit madhey adhalat naahi. Chandragupt apla mhatarpani rajjya sodun jain muni hovun, jain dharmaach prasar kela. Va, jain dharmaache muni aple granth pali prakrat brahmi bhaashet lihun thevele aahe, Sanskrit bhashik kautilya, jyachya maurya granth madhey kuthe hi ullekh naahi ashya kautilya la kashe kay mauryaan chipkawataat
@@niranjanishetty8069 murkha ahe tu baki kahi nahi
@@niranjanishetty8069 Kautilya ni Arthashastra lihla ... tyacha Naav sanskrit ahe Ani toh 375 BC madhe hota
... chandragupta nasta tar ashoka pan nasta ... baaap Adhi asto nanter porga yeto .... adhi porga Ani nanter baap janmala yet nahi 😐 Sequence problems ahe mhanun sagle problems ahet ...
@@niranjanishetty8069 Tu tujha Shahan pana tujhya zaval thev truth reconciliation zala tar khar kalel na adhi te tar Hou de he congressi kadhi karnar kiva karu denar nahit