Modified Nissan Z vs Supra - Which Is Best Japanese RWD Sports Car for Enthusiasts? Track Battle!
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- We compare a Nissan Z with enough mods to even our the price gap to a MkV Toyota Supra. Both are manual and both on the same tyre, so we can really see which one is the best Japanese branded RWD sports car.
We compare various aspects of the car and them let them loose around the track against the stopwatch to see which one is better.
The Z uses a larger diamater UniClutch Sport
The Supra uses a smaller diamater UniClutch track
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02:18 - Toyota Supra MkV Modifications
03:01 - Modifications to Nissan Z
04:26 - Comparison between Z and Supra
07:34 - Lap times Nissan Z Proto and Lap Times Toyota MkV Supra manual - Auta a dopravní prostředky
To sum up, a heavily modified Z with suspension and brake upgrades is slower than a stock Supra with a piggyback
As consumers we should just be happy these JDM carmakers are still doing versions of these 90s legends.
Nissan sure, Toyota just used a Z4 and modified it a bit
The Z's go back to the 70's
I only see 1 JDM. Besides Supra is Toyota top flagship, it should be compare to Nissan flagship GTR.
@@joseazanedo1052 does that mean we can add the $250k worth of mods to match the price???
@@joseazanedo1052 how so there a different platform the Supra is competing with its direct opposite the 300 Z
Drove both. Left with a Supra GR 3.0 Premium. Handling was light years ahead of the Z.
I own a BMW M2C so my knowledge is very limited, but my good friend just bought a new manual Supra A91 edition here in the States and I was impressed in my short drive. I cant imagine picking the Z as it's just a new body on the old 350 platform. It is cool that it's being produced along with the new Supra though.
Because the Supra is german
I will never fault someone for hating on Nissan steering-by-wire, but just curious if your test drives were manual or auto?
You left with a Toyota Camry XSE
@@HOTPLATEGAMINGthat Toyota Camry Xse still better than that spicy Altima
Supra is really impressive. I ordered a manual orange in Brisbane. Should be here this year.
Is that the special edition one ?
Nice. You’re going to love it.
Drove the automatic one for a couple of days for my birthday. I can say it is amazing, I actually respect BMW even more. Congrats on the stickshift one!
@@brunostiglitz7535 no just normal. Plasma Orange is available in Australia but no 40th special edition
Sick mate. Best colour..
The i30N seems to be the clear victor in this vid. 😁 In all seriousness though great vid and keep it up!
As someone who has owned both, I really felt the Supra was the superior vehicle all around. The Z was nice to drive, but suspension was much softer than the Supra. Only thing I felt the Z had over the Supra was interior space. The Supra felt a little cramped and I had to watch my head getting in and out of the vehicle (I’m shorter at 5’5”).
Wait really, even at 5'5" you had head room issues getting into the Supra?
You're tiny 😂a Manlet
@@sigmaprojects yea I got learned to duck more than normal getting in/out of it. Thats the main complaint I've heard from friends that still have their Supras.
@@codybedford7412Sounds as tight as a Toyota MR-S. I'm 5'8" and would routinely hit me need on the A-pillar getting in.
I don’t think you’ve had both
finally a proper comparison. can't go wrong either way
The big thing with the Z is the rear subframe, differential, front lower arm and steering rack bushings which are set up for touring. Once those are upgraded to Nismo or solid units in any Z or GT-R it really tightens things up, and doesn't really affect street manners too much (assuming the coilovers are up to the task and you're not driving around Pothole City). They can be had for less than folks think also from places like SPL Parts and can be installed over a weekend. Upgrading all the bushings essentially turns a Z/G/Q into a gokart!
Pothole city? Guess Toronto is off the list 😂
Great comparison, thanks for spending the time to create and film this video Andrew!
Good vid, we need more comparisons like this.
Would love to, they just cost a lot of money and time to do. We do enjoy it though!
@@MotiveVideo love the effort that went into this video! Nice one mate
this is a great video guys ! congratulations !
i've watched each build video on the z and the supra. now this is a comparison i'd love to watch. modded to become at around the same price. tested on road and track.
you should do a part two, cars are at the same condition, just on a bigger track, and a further distance journey.
and then a part three, when the supra gets the suspension and brakes upgrade. series would be epic.
Really cool video. Bringing a different angle to the debate was a really good idea!
Such a cool video, pretty interesting looking back at your brz video on the same track with mods you did a 53.8. Guess thats the best japen rwd for this track
The best comparison video I’ve seen so far.
That i30n was quick
The i30n is quick*
This is the new car review all car guys deserve. Well done.
Great video was waiting for this
Reading the replies of @motivevideo seems they are bit sensitive. Good video but not everyone has the same taste or opinion as you guys.
Kudos for trying a different type of comparison. First time viewer and enjoyed the content.
Just the way Boz holds the shifter tells you enough about the driver skills - he just let's it go where it wants to go, instead of hamfisting it where you think it wants to go.
All feelings aside everybody won . We’ve got 2 last call JDM cars we can buy that’ll still put a smile on your face . I see both new Z’s and Zupra’s selling so pick your poison and ignore the conjecture. Great video
The supra is Euro not JDM or even close to JDM hence to replace an any parts you have to buy BMW parts
@@antilagboostaddiction8322 womp womp they sell them at Toyota dealers new = Toyota product . Either way both of those cars will be getting bought and driven so cry harder 🤷🏿♂️
@@melonman3931You fangays and your BMWs with your crackle tunes🤣 Y'all are the gay cult of the car community and yet never put up any respectable numbers lmao because it's Euro trash. 1500hp running off a converter and barley into the 7s lol
@@antilagboostaddiction8322 you csn buy brand new euro cars in Japan and they are still JDM you absolute dolt
this is exactly the type of comparison I'd like to see more of. should be the new gold standard, getting both cars on the same tire is huge.
could be cool to compare both cars with fbo to see what the low hanging fruit potential of these cars are!
Pretty solid video
i wish we could see more modded comparisons like this
super helpful
too bad it's so expensive to do
for instance i would love to see how the supra compares to a corvette c6 z06 with coilovers for similar money
Great content
Great stuff.
good video , Thanks👍
Still love my Z. Kind of like the 90s feel tbh and 34 less fake vents 😜
Great video, the new zed from rear 3/4 is very 300 twin turbo, and those used to go hard when fettled (very difficult job) the 80A supra had its share of issues too, rattling hatch, blind spot. But which then is similar to now.. i would probably take a relatively stock Z4/Supra..I love that butt😂 but watching the Z showed that it's more of a driver's car, depending on experience..
Don't listen to the nay sayers/haters.. I've watched your stuff since ignition 1
You nailed it Hawko
Z looked old school & Supra so refined 🍻👍🏼
Great vid guys. I get a lot of stick for the cat having BMW dna but to be frank I drive alone on empty country lanes and could give a crap, it make me feel happy when I hoon around the lanes .
Great video. I have watched it twice and didn't see John's times
Literally on the screen at the end of each lap
Fair enough. But why did you only read out your times.
Would be better if you had all the best times, on the screen at the same time
The lap time for John's laps come up on screen at the end of the lap.
You can actually feel the difference from watching this video, awesome comparison between the 2.
Love both cars. Picked up a manual Z as I could only find supras in auto. But both were a lot of fun. Agree on the stock tires in the Z, definitely need to be upgraded
I like waaaaaaaay more the Z Looks than the Supra... ;)
That supra looks tuff 👍🏻🔥
Supra has a better chassis than the Z. “It’s a draw”. 😂
Supra’s power is under rated than the Z. “It’s a draw.” 😂
The Supra is better than the Z in every way. “It’s a draw.” 😂
Just tell us you bought the Z hype and are disappointed.
I mean BMW does know how to engineer a chassis, but the stock vs stock Z made more power and with mods Z was making 30 more HP. So, not sure about that point? They said draw because at the end of the day similar power to weight. But in the end they said they picked the Supra, they gave it so much praise and even said it's on stock suspension so has even more room to grow compared to the Z. So not sure what you mean Z hype stuff.
So Nissan vs BMW lol
@@nickclashezYea and lets be real BMW makes some fast cars.
@@nickclashez same question everyone getting into drifting asks themselves
@@sigmaprojectsthe Z made more power because the Supra had an Off the shelf tune, not a real tune like the Z
The Supra is more of a sports car compared to the Z is a 2 door Q60 which is basically a Grand Touring car.
Yeah that's the thing with the Z if someone is just looking to putt around town they don't need, or ever want a hardcore suspension and other bits. But the chassis is solid and it looks good stock (well with the Nismo bumper covers), so when the suspensions and bushings are upgraded to more direct options it really wakes up! The options also put it on par cost wise with the Zupra.
Cant get over the front end of the Z.. ugly is an understatement and thats just my opinion. The rear is a different story.. id take the supra hands down. Although i do like both
I would love to see a test for the size on wheels and tires example 17inc vs 18inc vs 19inc vs 20inc and except looks how much of a difference i. A lap time
That aftermarket exhaust on the Supra looks amazing
Nothing is going to touch that marvellous b58
Hell yeah. Vr30 gets 750whp on stock internals and trans with 13k. No b58 can touch that number without a 10k trans upgrade
@@2seepwtf are you talking about??? I built my trans on my 22 supra for up to 1200hp stage 2 and it costs barley over 3k, the stage 1 which is cheaper is good for 850hp. You don't know what your talking about.
My fg xr6t can and does lol (not many hotted up supras around yet) but it's 480whp n 775nms and been 11.94 on the previous 336hp tune so should do low 11s now.
But the supra would probably be faster round corners lol
Although with a similar suspension setup and tyres (Mines all stock) I reckon the falcon would take it 🤔
Although in saying that the fgs handle pretty damn good ,I'm actually surprised tbh
@GarciaQ60 both the Z and the mk5 stock trans can handle around 700-750hp before you blow them up. And the ZF transmissions in the Mk5 are unanimously reviewed as the better of the two in terms of driving performance and feel. So stop smoking crack and spewing garbage in the comments.
@@2seepVR30 is trash, Z is trash
This once again drives home how great the Motive 2nd Gen BRZ was with a 53.880 (no pro driver either) vs the Z's 53.724 (with pro driver). That was also done before the tune on the BRZ...
Nice spotting. That track suits low powered cars with good chassis though.
Lmao 😂 these new supras are not JDM, THEYRE GERMAN ENGINEERING
As for Z that bwm exposed them they really really have to up their game its like looking at someone driving this high horse power eg/ek you can see drive is really working hard
Not the outcome I wanted to see or expected as the supra doesn't even use double wishbone suspension but I do really appreciate this video. Would love to see one on the supra vs c7 now!
With the limited amount of travel and great tyres simple Mac struts up front do deliver great feel and control. Predictable I’d call it . I’m addicted .
I’d just finished filming Barbie and bought my supra , then the strike dug in and I drove the supra all summer around Derbyshire 🇬🇧 It saved my sanity while still waiting for films to start now. I love the car and it makes me confidant and has taught me how to drive enthusiastically. 9/10 . Driven and wrecked most cars for film , this car is cheap for the thrills it delivers . Oh and it returns 45mpg on a steady cruise.
I'm just happy that both are proper with manuals. This is the way.
Great video, really puts into perspective that Z car just has a chassis that’s been recycled since the 350Z
@@philipwilliams3427 They share the same chassis code to my understanding. I don't own the car though so could be wrong
@@pandimebag9876yeah I made a mistake. I learned that it is. Sorry about that, I was thinking r35 they shared chassis.
i thought the RZ34 shared a chassis with the 370 or am I wrong? I understand that the 370 chassis is just an upgrade to the 350 so if that’s what you meant I apologize
Thats a great comparison. Both cars I'd love to have. But I'd prefer the Z, mostly because of looks.
I wonder how the Nissmo stacks up vs the Supra, they are bassically the same price.
Wow Supra compared to GT3 in the way it inspired confidence.... That's an amazing comparison, although doesn't surprise me as BMW build some of the most balanced cars from factory. Thanks Andrew
It’s a shame the front of the Z looks so pan compared to how good the rear looks.
Great video mate.
I know the Supra is a better value but there's something I just love about the new Z's. Even if they are a reskinned 370 with turbos, the look of the new car gives me 90s vibes. I do like that you can get the Supra in manual now, definitely would want the Z in manual as well. The Supra has a BMW engine which from what I read is much better than the Z engine... I guess it comes down to near meaningless preference for me because the Z engine is a japanese motor in a japanese car. That plus the Z sounds way better, not that raspy BMW sound. Conclusion - Supra is way better but I want a Z badly 😊
What steering wheel has been fitted to the supra?
The ecutek tune has been out for a longer time now. Surely it can be pushed harder and have burnout mode redone properly
There are cars with the Q platform with over 500+ horsepower at the wheels and had the cars for 4 to 5 years… a daily Drive
Great vid mate ! , .. OR though as this is the type of Guy I am I think in spite of the Z issues i would choose it JUST because of price point , AND either buy / exchange too some hi quality JDM coil overs in it or "BRAND NEW Bilstein" shocks / suspension , developed after the realise of the chassis for the BEST out come .... "BUT also WHY I would choose the Z, Is Because its its A "NISSAN" and its own manufacture ........" NOT A MASH UP OF BRANDS" , As the "New" "SUPRA" is a mongrel mash up of TOYOTA AND BMW" , THUS making it a little hard to compare the two , As its like comparing THREE ! / NISSAN / TOYOTA / BMW
Would love to know how this supra goes against the latest stock, BMW, M2? Would be very interesting not much difference in price. 🤔
You can't take it as a direct comparison, but C&D lightning lap for this year had the M2 and it was a bit slower than the Supra from last year.
Savagegeese also did a video that compares them and the Supra ran 2 tenths faster around the track on the same tires
Jackie Ding who is a pro time attack racer with a 2020 Supra now has an M2 and he put down faster times in the M2 than his Supra did stock. (The 2020 had less HP and less dialed in suspension though)
So it seems they're about even with each other in stock form with a slight edge to the Supra. Probably depends a lot more on the track, the driver's skill level, and transmission choice than anything else.
How did the Sport model clutch in the Z do in regards to fade/heat/slip? I know the Supra has the track kit so I imagine that one was fine.
The fact we drive it flat out all day with we mentioned no issues means it went great.
Cool video & novel comparison. Enjoyed that!
It would be interesting to see the Supra in automatic v manual transmission around the circuit. I wouldn't be surprised if the automatic Supra is faster again? I have yet to find a back to back Supra comparison, auto and manual around a circuit. Additionally doesn't the manual Supra have a shorter differential v the auto version to try and claw back it's lost straight line speed?
😂 I feel the word Japanese should be in parentheses
*Edit, I meant to say quotation marks and not parentheses. Sorry everyone for any confusion
Why tho? We all Know already, by reading Supra vs Z?!
@@davidholmes1771 Because only one is a Japanese car
@@AtticusG3 Understood.
I had a 2021 Black A91 Supra for 3 years, full Fi Valvetronic exhaust with carbon tips, Eventuri carbon intake, carbon Street Hunter wing and carbon mirror caps. 27k miles later, oil pump died, warranty covered it. But then I got a call from Nissan to go check out the new Black 2024 NISMO Z, after a test drive and the weekend to think it all over, I traded her in for the new NISMO. I will say I miss the loud pops and bangs the Supra got and the Aggressive looks it had, definitely a head turner. But the NISMO version of the Z takes things to a whole different level than the normal Z. I love both cars, I guess the NISMO was that shiny new thing that Nissan did a thing with, and I wanted that thing more lol.
A sharp twisty track... maybe on a track like Barcelona or even better mugello Italy the z could've done better... but the black n gold bbs looking wheels are better in aesthetics
I’m interested if you do more testing with the Z shocks and get something with better refinement and support. It sounds like they’re blowing through the travel.
The shocks are designed for the street.
😢😢😢i gave up my nismo Z for a GRyaris. Love the GR. Nice to see you on the screen JB. Hope see you at Wakefield some time in the future.
Was about to pull trigger on Z in 2minds wats your biggest gripe I’m in a amg a45s atm
@@peterbiviano747 I think the car it’s a bit overpriced for what it offers. Coz I preordered the car long ago before it announced. Outdated interior for the price tag, Acceptable performance but not outstanding at the range. Also I need a back seat for baby. I was expecting the nismo to have more power and more refined interior. For this money I would get the RS3 just because i can’t fit myself in the Supra.
Awesome - Supra ftw
Add these mods.. heat exchanger, 3 inch downpipe, cat back exhaust, CAI and Ecutek will see you hit 450whp
If you want serious, horsepower gains for under 10K, add new turbos, a straight bolt on!
In aussie land, the price difference is huge. Not so much in the US. The Z proto costs as much as the gr supra
z s fitment was off needs spacers badly xD whuld help in corners too .. might be a 1s upgrade? xD
The Z looked a lot more squirrely on the track than the Supra. As a daily driver the Supra will break your back whereas the Z would be more comfortable.
Have we compared an actual NISMO version to the Supra?
We need a budget build series next. Let's do something for us home diy mechanics. PLEASE Motive family
It would great if you guys bought a cheap B58 car like a 340i and made it a crazy horsepower machine like they are doing in the USA!
Watching John's hands tell the whole story. There is so much less work managing the Supra at the limit.
T or A if mods equalled them out on performance?? Which one do you want for the night?
Z still got that infamous “trumpeter” sound! 😂
Scalpel meet blunt knife.
Good analogy.
I mean... "The Ultimate Diving Machine" is kinda what we've put up against the "Fairlady Z" BMW has been top notch since it's introduction into aviation. That being said it has had the best engineering from the start. Good move on Toyota. The Z is great, however they should've adopted the original body and or body size. The 2024 Z powertrain in a 240z is night and day. I hope to see the Z return to its original fashion soon, light, very fast, very agile and competing with Porsche.
I just think it’s as simple as an old Nissan FM platform introduced in 2001. While the bmw platform is 20 years new in comparison . In the 90’s no one would say a 1992 M3 is better than a R32 GTR . Obviously Nissan was able to put money in it.
The Z is ultimately a fun street car with track ability. The Supra is a track weapon.
I actually think the times would be closer or even in the z's favour on a more power focussed circuit. Seeing the brz net a lap time that close to the z proves that. As much as on paper the supra was quicker I still can't get past the fact that it's a BMW. Would like to see a comparison in 5 years between the two about their respective maintenance costs. All in all great content none the less 👌
Power to weight ratio is same and The Supra is a weapon on large tracks. It would be worse for the Z
Nice comparison. Wonder if different mods would have a different effect and result. Maybe, maybe not.
I do like the Supra but money is money and I really like my Z. But certainly needs some upgrades…
We have half a clue what we're doing, as does Shockworks and DNA Autosport.
Not rwd but gr yaris with tyres and race seat 53.769 second lap. Cheaper and 3 less cylinders(track name and gr yaris, first video that popped up) 😅 tough decision responsible me wants the supra, old hooligan me wants the z. But what colour is the best on the supra?
Tight track and rwd turbo cars arent a great match so lap times dont reflect potential.
Our BRZ with coilovers and tyres did 53s as well.
Supra is just so much fun to drive!
Grey is our favourite colour
I wonder how these two compare to a C7 corvette with manual on the same tires….
So it's a sports car vs a sporty car? Clearly the spots car is better on the track in every way, the differences were very noticeable in the driving dynamics and steering input. The suspension on the z looked bouncy, so maybe too low compression damping? No wonder it has such bad traction. Why would you put drivability as a draw when it's the biggest difference between them?
That aside, this was an awesome test! I love how you kept the money the same and tuned on each car in between runs to try to give them the best chance. This is much closer to what the real experience would be with owning these cars. Most channels do not do this, and will just lazily test something, as is, and call it a day, teaching us nothing useful.
Thanks for noticing that we take testing much more seriously. 👍
Did the BRZ ever get a lap set out there once the tune was done?
Not after tune. no
Why not use the v1 nismo wheels
Why not in the z bigger turbos down pipes/exhaust tune tires wouldn’t that be a better spend
Can we try with a Nissan Z NISMO
I wanted the Nissan Z, but good thing I bought the a90 Supra. It might be a Toyota tuned BMW, but at the end of the day, it’s still a better car.
Great review/video.
Can we do a G87 M2 comparison? Maybe the G87 vs Supra or G87 vs F87 M2..?
Savagegeese has a pretty good one already
i dont really care which is better i just want the Z since it looks like a modern 240z
BMW, the ultimate driving machine, until it breaks, then it's the ultimate mechanics income I guess.
That does explain the sale drop in the Z because of how the Supra handles
And the all around better performance of the supra
Calling that BMW a Toyota supra is like saying Biden the best president 😂😂😂😂
Here in America the z is about 10k more than the Supra. I have yet to see one on the road here in Dallas.
Didn’t you guys fit a softer street / drag coilover to the Z?
Semantics I’m sure.
It does look soft still around the drag.
Both incredible cars. Hard to deny how good that B58 supra is.
That steering wheel on the supra though. Gross 😊
Well done to Nissan for keeping it Nissan.
Shorter wheelbase helps the BMW. Personally, I'd have changed front and rear sway bars on the Nissan instead of arms. The Z is also tuned, so peak power and torque engagement points in the rev range didn't look ideal either. Gear ratios also seemed better suited to the BMW for this track. Turning ratio looked better on the Nissan in my opinion. Overall balance and chassis compliance was definitely better on the BMW.
@@Wiggy321sway bars would have made a massive difference, as they are so small stock. Steering input, and grip would have been massively improved. It’s a modification most people overlook.
And dare I say the Supra is better than the BMW that shares the platform? Hated the looks of the current Supra but gotta say they have aged well.
Wheel difference?
They are both funny looking cars.😂
Your insane the supra is one of the best looking vehicles on the market rn
Supra's chassis is so much more composed, and quicker steering looks like. Z needs better dampers, springs.
I was surprised to see home much struggle boz was having eith the z shifting. Watching Andrew it looks like ots not as noce of a gearbox as the supra