Cheaters Are Killing CS2
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Counter-Strike 2’s cheating problem is getting out of control. You simply cannot play the game without running into opponents- and teammates- who are blatantly hacking.
At the same time, we have also seen CS2’s player count drop significantly for the first time since release and it’s been radio silence from Valve.
So, is CS2 already dying? And are cheaters responsible?
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I used to play CSGO regularly with my friends and the whole reason we all decided to quit was cheaters.
i was a top player from beta massive cheater problem in all games now...
Same here fr
Play face it. That anti-cheat is actually decent.
Same here. There were like 9 of us with 10 year belts. B4B and HD2 better now. Fuck CS, time to move on.
we are a team of more than 5 and we all quit when cheats become blatant.
Just like in other sports, when organizers ignore cheating, it discourages honest players. It's frustrating to work hard on improving your skills while others have been breaking the rules for years without consequences.
The problem Valve has is to ban all cheaters means to ban essentially every pro (no, not joking).
There are too many high-level hacks and it's pretty well known everyone's using 'em or they can't compete anymore (the impossible-to-spot sort where as you spray every 6-8th bullet will aimbot etc); the difference is now that they're back to experiencing a flood of newbies brazenly cheating with a semi-new game.
yup
Just played tonight and 80% of my games had cheaters 😤
You're just bad lol.
@@lust4darkness69 spoken like a true cheater. My buddies and I are playing lready since the 1.3 era, and CS2 is now the game we start to avoid because of the cheating problem. That's 15+years of experience per player getting fed up by players F*ing this game up with their crap hacks.
yep, it`s still the same way-even in a TOURNAMENT MODE!!!
@@ReaperSilently Cheating is fun why r u mad?
You're not the only one. Every match literally has at least one cheater. At least one.
even without anticheat, if they banned every cheater immediately or in a few day permanently on a hardware level, it would decrease the amount og cheaters drastically as people who want to play this game, would simply avoid cheating not to get banned
As a cs player for over 8 years and 3500 Hours.. The combination of both the small things like dying unfairly due to subtick or etc, or like you said getting a cheater in the game (my team or not) and just not having a good time anymore. I've taken a break for over 2 weeks now and im truly stress free lmfao. Hit the nail on the head
Same. Been playing since October 2015 and I have 7.3K hours... I was level 7 on Faceit, B+ on ESEA, and LE in MM, and I stopped playing yesterday because of the bullsht state of the game.
Alot of us stopped playing at csgo, guys I've known since 1.1 can't even bare to play it any more, it's a far cry from the game it was in 1.6
Bye
Bro... Literally the same. Got more shit done in the past two weeks than the past two years. lol
Good for you man
A good anti cheat is holding this game back from greatness, playing premier feels like a waste of time due to the cheaters
Hadn't really encountered many cheaters in Premier. I did in Wingman however, a lot more than i ever had in csgo
unless your running malware level anti virus like Valorant you have roughly 10% of the player base is cheaters, they just get less blatant.
i had a hacker and immediately went to face it for my first time. i loved it.
@@Ashley-wi4ng it's probably more than 10% of the whole player base. Going off other FPS, about 20-30% of players were using some form of cheat. But of course that doesn't mean that 20-30% of players in any given match do
@QiuSe you could be right I just went based off the discords I could find to purchase and compared the number of members to current concurrent player numbers and it was 3 years ago now as well.
There is only 1 rule in every online game now, especially in Cheaters' Shelter... I mean CS: You have more cheaters in your team, you win. You have less cheaters/less obvious cheaters, you lose.
Yup
I used to play cs 1.6 and I wanted play CS after years for fun but this is torture , I really don't understand how they can let this happen it's embarrassing for the company
same brother, same.
give 1.6 a shot i played the other night and had so much fun pubbin
I mean we all knew this would happen if valve didn’t create/make use of an invasive anti cheat
This is wrong. Stop spreading misinformation you will kill surf and tons of other community modes and so much more if they do
There’s really no excuse for them not doing this atp. If they’re worried about the performance implications then make it an opt in system where cheaters and repurposed dell machines can still play in their own servers
@@ALC570 why do that when they can do nothing at all and be fine?
@@ForOne814 because they actually want their game to not die? Why did they port it over to the source 2 engine if they didn't need to?
@@es0x the game isn't dying, lol. They ported it to make development for it easier.
In one of my games yesterday. One guy on my team started aimbotting about halfway and my other teammate asked what cheats he was using and they talked about the cheats. Then he installed the cheats MIDGAME and started cheating with him. My mind was blown
wtf...
Damn, for real? His game didn't crash or anything? Maybe he timed out for a bit, I don't know, but that's crazy. Being able to install cheats mid game wow
@@KapteinFruit As far as I'm aware, most cheating software is injected into the game after it's open. They usually scan the in game memory and change in game memory values allowing you to cheat.
Hope you at least reported those 2 team mates.
@@minilogoguy18 yes, both reported. I told them they were bums for cheating, I pretty much threw the rest of the game after that too
Valve promised the cheater problem will get better with cs2. As far as I‘m concerned: there are way more cheaters in it than in every game before. What upsets me the most: you hear nothing about that topic from valve, anymore.
this has been going on for years, i've left the game around 2018 and there are still people addressing cheaters, just like in this video. Valve just can't fix it, ever. Thousands of practice hours down the drain.
2 players I met a year ago in CSGO started cheating not long ago, each of them has around 5k hours and a rating of 14k, the enemy really thinks they are just good players, occasionally the enemy complains about their pings but no accusations of cheating whatsoever, they are really doing their best to hide it. After a game, I had really strong suspicions and I confronted them and they confirmed it they even tried to go along with it and that it was safe because it was private or something idk, after that, I didn't play with them anymore. But just to show you if these cheaters actually know how to play the game and not go full rage shooting through walls etc, the average player from all ratings can't differentiate them from really legit good players.
That's with every online shooter game nowadays. I had the same experience in Warzone and Valorant. I know players in these games that cheat, and it is surprisingly easy.
@@manbok2035except cs is literally the easiest game to cheat, you at least need to put some effort to cheat on val.
Doesn't help that the only way to potentially catch these careful cheaters (watching replays) is unavailable...
if you have been queuing with them in cs2 for premier if they eventually get banned your rank will be severely hurt/reset and you'll get a small cooldown.
@@popychief they wont be banned anytime soon
I have said this before - the day/night they announced cs2 to go live, I was really hoping that they would announce new and better anti-cheat instead. Bittersweet moment it was
VALVE THE WORST GAMING STUDIO EXISTING HERE ON EARTH SECOND IS BLIZZARD
@@counterstrike2isdead alright have fun with a game that has a 19 years old physics engine :D
@@counterstrike2isdeadleast obsessed valorant fan
I'm right now at 17k elo. Yesterday we played with q friend which is 22k elo. We played a 18 k average lobby.first game at least 2 guys cheating. Deagle 4 x headshot through double wall until i died. My friend with 22k elo also didn't even stand a chance. There was no way to popflash them or other nice plays. It was pretty disappointed. I mean I played 1.6 semi professiona. We neeed a anticheat .
@@beerkingger7715there is no air above 21k. Every single 25k playing with assistance or in lobby, where is at least one wh
Legitimate players leaving faster than normal is a real thing. Like you and I, when cheating becomes rampant, we take breaks / leave. Let the cheaters kill each other for a while. In it's current state, it's just unplayable for legitimate players.
A week of CS2 right now:
in Premier: 5/6 games with cheaters.
The last game, an opponent goes 2-8 and straight up starts wallbanging people across half the map, random teammate enables his rage hacks and a war breaks out, 2 other people on the opposing team starts wallhacking, we drew 15-15 because our cheater had stronger software enhancements and actually wasn't a 2k elo player (this is at 17500 elo average). Well that was fun, *switches to FACEIT* we have one fun game against a bunch of Danes, second game starts and the lobby is against Russians with 1 year old accounts: Me and my 20k hours of CS 😅... I guess they learned CS REALLY fast, because when they were loosing and then suddenly adapted real fast and proceeded to beat our ass through smokes and walls.
So I guess that's enough CS2 for a while.
yeah every game i've played so far with my friends, it seems like we would win a couple rounds then the enemy team just suddenly gets pro level good with 1 or 2 guys getting multiple kills the rest of the game. We even had one guy who didn't even try to hide it and straight up rushed all of us and we werent able to kill him even though we all shot him multiple times.
I wanna believe Valve is working hard on this and will let actions speak for themselves. I barely got back to CS, after dropping it back in 1.6. I really like the game. Unfortunatelly some matches are unbereable. Seems like I'm playing in a PRO League everytime I'm online, even on casual matches.
The thing that sucks about modern day 5v5 cs is that it gets too tryhard-y at ranks higher than silver. There were times when the CS franchise was this game mostly played for fun and not competitively.
Just look at the state the game got released in. Valve do not care about CS2, the game is sadly finished.
they did a lot but people dont get how cheats work and that some features aren’t possible to be detected if the cheat is an external instead of internal cheat
@@nullvoid2560 That's not a problem, competitivenes is the essence of cs, if you can't appretiate it, the game is just not for you
Skill Issue
Its funny how valve cant detect cheats. But when u leave ur faceit anticheat on valve detects it and doesnt let you play unless you disable it
As a network software engineer, I can say that with a good server/client architecture and extremely low development costs, Valve could prevent every kind of cheating imaginable (except Aimlock). But Valve doesn't do that because Valve makes much more money from the hackers who get banned in regular waves than from the normal players. After a ban, a cheater buys a new account.
@@thenilusss4911but game is free to play
@@thenilusss4911 They don't make that much more money from cheaters, if the game is rampant with cheaters it will die, at some point I left csgo with my friends due to the high number of spinbotters in competitive. There are some games killed entirely by cheaters. Also cheating implementation has next to nothing to do with network engineering and its by any means, not as easy to combat as people claim.
@@bogdyeewhich game died because of cheaters? there has been always cheaters, in battlefield, call of duty, counter strike, fortnite, pubg.. but these games still exist and are still on top! When a game dies, it's not because of cheaters, it is because of lack of content or poor performance. humans are still so naive that when they complain about something, they'll get new content so they'll forget about the cheaters for a while.. in italy, when people were complaining about something, they gave them content, gladiator fights and everbody forgot about the complains 😂
@@thenilusss4911 thats the dumbest logic for why the company would not invest in an anti cheat. Cheater infested game will drive away legit players who are willing to spend microtransactions in game. This is the end of CS
I played a game where the enemy toggled after 1 round lost and they kept killing us in our spawn from their spawn.
Truly a memorable experience.
even without anticheat, if they banned every cheater immediately or in a few day permanently on a hardware level, it would decrease the amount og cheaters drastically as people who want to play this game, would simply avoid cheating not to get banned
I do think that they are going to address this problem sooner or later, the question is how and whether that is a sustainable fix. IMO they need to make internal changes to dedicate a small subteam to solely work on anti-cheat, so that they can keep up with the latest cheats and keep the game fun. Looking at how much revenue they make, this should be such a nobrainer.
But they didn't, they just didn't wanted to talk about anti-cheat.
I've been playing this same series for 10 years now. I have thousands of hours logged, I've stuck by it through every update, I'd play every single day after school and in to my adulthood after work, and with all the changes, dying behind walls, the increased amount of packet loss through subtick eating my inputs, the players either silently using wallhacks to up their rating or the ones just blatantly ragehacking in premier for a laugh, it's truly just not the same feeling of playing counterstrike any more.
I've completely stopped playing a month ago, the longest I've gone without touching the game in some way intentionally, and while I do miss it, I've had enough bad experiences with CS2 at this point that I know it's just not going to be the same. I would rather not disappoint myself
Well said, this was the same case for me, 8 years in the game with literally 7k hours. Even if the game isnt dead, its dead in my eyes now, they sell 30 million cases a month and cannot afford to put 500k in the anticheat to keep that revenue coming. Valve died not CS.
Packet loss was not really happening was more of a UI error that they have since fixed, but there is no packet loss from subtick.
the players either silently using wallhacks
was never convinced by the silent wallhacker accusations. Wallhack is the easiest to spot. as long as theyre not undercover police agents in their main job and put the same dedication in their gaming they will slip up. just the brainpower needed to make splitsecond decision where they should just go and die in the bombside by choosing a route which doesnt show that they know where the enemy is is enormous. they will act unnaturally. every decision they make they will have to think how a legit player would do that and try to emulate that.
Cheaters are despised, most people will votekick the cheater as soon as they are convinced. me and my friends kicked a guy out because he looked at another guys twitch and tried to convice us to do the same in voicechat. If they cant votekick they leave the game and or teamkill the cheater. so the cheater needs a friend to cover his ass from votekicks to survive the game and still has the problems of getting report by 8 guys every game
You are definitely not the only one. Stopped playing because premiere and ranks are completely fucked up. 😢 Vavle please fix 🙏
Yay
Valve will make adjustments to the ranking system but will never fix it.
CS:GO had always problems with the ranking system and cheaters and till the end nothing was fixed but everyone still loved it.
I played two rounds of faceit yesterday. there were cheaters in both….
I mean they are really fixing things people talk about on reddit.
I won my 10 placements games out of 16 and got put in 1988 rating. Regularly top fragged and was LEM in csgo... Back up to 10k rating now as I was getting into games with newer people constantly which was so fucked.
There are literally cheaters with CZcams channels and they just upload videos of them cheating and nothing happens.
A huge problem is people soft hacking… turning on walls a few times in a game to give you an advantage mid round even though it will mess you up because a person can just rotate positions early is so stupid, for one people hack because of how many people feel can get away with it and they need to “have the advantage”. What it begins to do though is cause you to use hacks like a bad habit, and if during your game you are getting killed by a player consistently you automatically assume it’s a hacker because since you hack, everyone else has to potential to, so you begin to soft wall even more and more because you believe the other people are hacking when they may not be and just are having a good game. Once a working anti cheat is used in CS2 I bet many accounts will be banned and skins lost. The worst part is it feels like valve is relying on these people who hack because they are the ones who actually play.
As a completely fresh counter strike player my initial experience of this game was horrendous. In my first ten matches there were two blatantly obvious cheaters (one spin botting, the other hitting wall bangs from across the map) and 7 disconnects in the first 3-9 rounds. In these games, one player was usually much better than the rest of the lobby, to the extent that it usually didn't matter which team was down one (or even two) players. I had one good game, luckily it was soo much fun that I kept playing. But two of my friends who started with me havent touched the game after that and I honestly cant blame them.
Sorry, but that's just how the game is. Those are not cheaters. When you're new to CS, everyone feels like a cheater. The skill ceiling is HIGH and if you study tactics, you can see why that is.
@@CharlieandtheRed-dn8ol No, the idea about ranks is that you dont get queued with people that are significantly better then you.
The random disconnects are sad as is, and should be more heavily punished. Outside of that cheating is a serious issue, that ruins the experience not just for veteran players, but decreases an influx of new players.
The most annoying part is when you are the one not even cheating and the lobby kicks you. Seriously it's not just the hackers. The player base itself are idiots.
The CS player base has always had it's fair share of assholes, going back to 1.6. But I hear a lot of bad things about Dota 2 players and Valorant players too actually.
Facts the player base are just stuck on an old dead trash game
@@Spacemonkeymojohaving played both the games you mentioned CS fans are WAY worse than either of them
@@shhs1227 Yeah? Fair enough then!
facts. cs playerbase is full mode rtrds and im a proud part of it and fkn hate it love it at the same time. best fps out there, worst playerbase. mfs be playing for fun n competitive but take seriously casual and get mad when lose. the worst part is, the playerbase is getting worse and worse. 1.6 days had way better players and their humor was actually funny
I just picked the game up last week after not having played CS for some 13+ years and I started to really love it. It's the cheating and the voip spam bots that really ruin this game. I have been getting some pretty cool lobbies at certain hours of the day - so I have hope valve will turn this ship show around.
So sad that we still need to fall back to Faceit just to not be (openly!) cheated against. Just a few days ago I met a cheater who was as close as you can get to rage hacking without just full on spinning. I haven't seen anything as blatant as that in years and I played my fair share of MM in CSGO as well.
they are still cheating on there so ive heard. i dont play facit but i watch streamers that do and have seen evidence of it
@@lobang725 ofc they do, but it is nothing compared to premier atm
@@lobang725 I agree, I played like 20-30 games in last month on faceit, and the ammount of bought, new account with insane gamesense, reflex, and smoke/wallbangs is just out of hand. Im lvl 6 on faceit btw, was global in CS:GO, I can barelly hold 15k in premiere, I have around 5k hour in this game, and honestly I dont think im that bad, hell Im even better than before, but ppl just suddenly became like prime SImple in every platform, its AIDS. Overwatch should come back ASAP imo
I notice cheaters too but what ruins the experience for me the most has been going from Supreme to Gold 2. So many teammates raging and abandoning after losing just 5 rounds. Here begins the grind again but it won’t be so enjoyable.
Apparently the matchmaking system is broken.
I don't have map ranks yet but I went from LEM to 1.5k ELO lmao
@your_average_cultured_dude same boat as you, used to be DMG now suffering with 1.5k silver teammates
@@Gone29364 just as a warning, it gets worse, WAY worse.
Now (~120 matches later) I'm a bit above 7k. And almost every match is griefing teammates, 5 stack cheater enemies or a teammate cheater, until I derank back to 6.5k ELO, then it's all normal again until I reach ~7.3k and the cycle repeats. I've gone through this cycle like 6 times already.
@@your_average_cultured_dude At 14K i dont think ive met a single cheater, mostly bad players actually
I refuse to believe people are playing only cheaters in bot elos. At 20K i can see how every game is a HvH server
Just remember they aren't cheating they are just having a really good day, and a really good game, like the last 30 games with their 4.4 k/d and 5k hours lol
Word!
He just got a better gaming chair bro...
@@kpeish Nice one!
People act like Valve had *ever* disclosed Anti-Cheat Changes other than "We added Overwatch".
Also, Valve is kind of "against" invasive Anti-Cheat Solutions. Just wait and find out what Valve is going to do / not to do.
I honestly think that the cheating issue is much worse than it was in CS GO. I think that last 10 games I played I had 2 games that didnt have a blatant cheater in it. Also the ranking system for regular competitive was fucked up as well. About half the games we get opponents that are very bad and are losing hard (until usually one of them toggles ragecheats). The other half is players who according to csgo stats were globals in GO. Now me and my friends have been hard stuck between silver and nova 1 since launch even though we had DMG-LE ranks in GO. Its pretty much eating the motivation to play the game.
take a break, most cheaters and GEs are still grinding their way back (mostly bc cs2 doesn't want to give a good starting rank for the love of god)
I remember when Valorant first came out with their invasive anti-cheat and people were so vocally against it. Funny to see now how people are requesting it from other developers now
it aint gonna work in linux tho?
Because spyware
@@sesad5035 whoi cares its the same info every other company has on you anyway
@@Yaboyshockbot
@@Yaboyshock people who care about privacy, that's who, it's not "just the same info"...
I started playing FACEIT only, because I know they will never fix it.
FACEIT accounts cost 3€ max with 5k hours , just cheat , get banned and buy a new one
i began playing CSGO in late 2016, achieving supreme with over 1700 hours, after a few years out of the game ive come back to CS2, With a prem score of 5000 i am finding that almost every game there is someone who blatantly toggles when it looks like they are about to lose. I was so excited to get back into counter strike, but im quickly realising AGAIN that the only way to play the game properly is by paying for esea or faceit (which i previously have done but rank is too high and im no longer very good lol)
A friend who I've been playing with was off CS for 6 years due to the cheaters in CSGO, he promised to try again with Source 2 and has been met with this bullsh*t.
Yes, plenty of cheaters.
I’ve had the most frustrating experiences in CS2 I have ever had in Counter Strike.
Now I do not know if it’s just matchmaking being incredibly unbalanced because no one is properly ranked yet or if it even is cheaters. But I have never felt so bad playing Counter Strike then in CS2
It's tough. On one end you accept using a Valve-made rootkit akin to Riot's Vanguard. On the other end, you've always got the nagging thought in the back of your head that someone is cheating.
?? how are those on opposite ends? Doesn't make a lot of sense
Vanguard is easy to bypass as well. You can get cheats for Valorant, like aimbots and wall hacks, that work just fine.
@@manbok2035have seen only one cheater ever in the three years I'm playing and he got banned immediate. I'm sorry but nothing is close to vanguard.
The best part about the anti-cheat is the fact i keep being unable to verify, so it has false alarms on TOP of the loose dated systems
I originally left CSGO because of cheaters, but I've finally adjusted my mindset enough to where I can put up with a game knowing or not knowing that there is a cheater on the other team.
I havent ran into any cheaters so far,but the fact they're so prevalent online just sucks so much. Everyone I run into online jumps to hackusations so easily though I think it's mostly skill issue, but the fact that theyre out there makes it hard to deny it.
me neither hahaha, and have played it for almost 100 hours now
watch ren's live on twitch, u will see, atleast 1/2 every 2/3 game
Think you more than likely have and just haven't realised if u are playing in eu. have a mate that bought the first cheat he could find on google and it was less than a spotify sub, he played for 2 days with walls to see if he got banned, after not getting so he just uninstalled the game. Walls are ridiculously easy to hide if u have played for more than 500 hours and provide ridiculous advantage, even radar means you cant prefire perfectly but that info is unreal. Get up to 1000hrs and those people can hide it almost flawlessly. If i did with 4500hrs i would never get caught.
There is less cheaters at low ELO obviously
@@jessep_cs yea but i am not ;-;
I have also been taking a break for a couple weeks now. All the little things with the game and premier ranking being fucked up + the constant cheaters was just too much. I really hope they fix this soon. I want to enjoy my favorite game again
I think this is mostly problem of guite high ranked players(csgo DMG+) , but, we low ranked players, have another problem in premier. Since there is no downranking in premier under 4000points, everyone with skill csgo between silver 1-gold nova master is stuck at 4000+-500points, and this makes for truly terrible skill matching.
i really start to believe, the cheaters are in CS2 and doing it blatantly simply to kill the game, so that people move to valorant or other Chinese based games
Im playing a lot valorant recently cause of the amount of cheaters, how hard it is rank up, and subtick making the game feel like im playing 1 second behind whats actually happening
title should be "CS2 Is Killing CS2"
yeah
Does anybody have link to original vid for 0:34? I wanna hear his full comments
Forget CS2, they NEVER even FIXED the problem on csgo
You are not the only one. I quit playing about a week ago as well due to cheaters
I feel like this might just kill all fps games in the future.
except all that needs to be done is a kernel level anticheat. as much as valorant gets hated on by the cs community, you only need to take 1 glance and see its well worth the tradeoff.
lol no
I stopped playing 2-3 weeks ago because of cheaters and also sold my inventory for real money. I suggest other people who are frustrated do the same, don't sell on the community market, sell it for real money and cash out.
I used to be DMG in both wingman and compi in CSGO, now I am Silver 3 and I have an elo of 1700 in Premier...
Now, when I have friends inviting, we just play 1 v 1 on CSGO using workshop 1 v 1 maps...
This is putting off new players so much. Being put into a "high skill" lobby as someone with over 1k hours in csgo with some friends that have like 5-20 hours basically guarantees cheaters in your lobby due to how matchmaking works.
Playing CS2 just feels awful right now. Even if my opponent is actually just that good I can't get it out of my mind that they could be cheating, and more often than not they are just blatantly cheating. I deadass swore off Valorant and didn't touch it since the beta but me and my friends who used to play CS2 swapped to Valorant after we ran into one too many cheaters. I have a job and so do my friends and it just blows that when we use what little time we have to play together to que up a competitive match and the other team has straight up spinbotters.
Oh man, if you only knew that Valorant is actually not much different.....subtle aimbots and wall hacks, and it's easier than you think. They are just better at hiding it.
@@manbok2035 I've been playing almost everyday for a month and I haven't run into a single cheater yet. A couple of afk botters sure but everyone seems legit.
As opposed to CS2 where I saw blatant cheaters every single session. I'm not exaggerating for effect either, it's just that bad.
cheaters have been a problem in CS since it came out over 2 decades ago. i know that because i have played this game since 1.0 (with a 10 year break when source came out) but it is getting worse. to me when you have professionals cheating at LANs and on stage that is a slap in the face to the developers and valve. i have seen independent developers create AI anti-cheats that work so i don't know how valve developers can't figure out something that works. VAC ban waves were a joke and now with free to play it has gotten worse.
Stopped playing premier mode after losing against cheaters literally every 2nd to 3rd game. It just doesn't make sense at this point anymore.
Wait what happened to VAC Live? Is it just not yet in play?
I have not played CS2, but I used to be a huge FPS player, and I will say that I stopped playing FPS, especially call of duty, on PC due to cheaters.
No wonder ESEA and FACEit are growing back slowly
yay. i was so hyped to get back to CS but my excitement quickly died down after encountering BLATANT cheaters match after match
Valorant.
VALVE was Rigging Matchmaking in CSGO as well. You played 3-4 matches without cheaters you won, Then Valve put you 3-4 matches with enemy cheaters and you lost.... And the cycle went on. for years ! If you see my game rank log its like a standing wave like a PID correction of some sort
They were rewarding cheaters by giving them legit players to play against.
@@wr9601 Correct
I'm on the fence about leaving because of all issues. I'm bottom elo in cs2 but in csgo I was atleast gold. Shooting felt easier to now it feels harder to hit shots and I'm noticing that with less than 300 hours combined in both games. Also I used to speedrun in fortnite and the jump inconsistencies almost make me more mad than the cheaters but I think that's just my reason to have issues lol
i think valve should use the FACEIT anti cheat software or whatever the hell that is.
They took away our achievements and most game modes, changed skins, changed skins again, again, again, messed up subtick, didn't change base tick rate to what everyone asked for, and destroyed comp modes. Every match I play is either 13-1 or 1-13. They rushed it and gave us an incomplete game. And I'm only scratching the surface on the issues.
I've stopped playing CS. The last time that I was online, it was 2 months ago, and now I feel much happier and don't want to go back to where I'm always angry and nervous, because of the cheating problem almost in every game.
I was on the verge of quitting when every single premier game I qued had a blatant cheater. Then, me and my friends started just turning all the maps on and queing oldschool competitive. The games arent the highest quality, but at least there are no cheaters. For now.
I've been doing that solo queue while my friend can't play. I've been accused of cheating 3 times so far so people are paranoid even in matchmaking. Though I guess it doesn't help that I played most of my placement matches with a friend that is legitimately silver and I got placed into silver myself while I used to be consistently at DMG and up to LE back in CSGO
I got Silver 4 to silver master in all maps in Competitive i used to be Nova Mater to DMG before in CS GO
Thanks for the video ❤ the more people speak up, the more we have chances for changes.
Also voo is an idiot. When CSGO was launched people were still actively playing 1.6 and CSS. With CS2 people cannot play CSGO anymore and everyone switched to CSGO from 1.6 and CSS.
the game has 500,000 players on steam and hasn't dipped below that since release, definitely dying, especially when the game needs at least a whopping 3000 or so players to reliably match players against each other with minimal delay, I don't know if this game is going to make it, I'm scared.
I have been playing Counter Strike since it was a mod on Half-life deathmatch aka 1.3 and I have to say this game is dead to me the cheating issue is not getting solved. I have made the choice to uninstall due to many cheaters and I can not do this anymore and there are other games where cheaters are not so rampant that I would much rather play as of today Goodbye Counter strike RIP 1999-2024 CS
Personally, I saw a substantial dip in cheaters after CS2 (in MM). I saw huge groups getting banned somehow. Valve is actually in the right direction. There was also this big red medal ban a week ago. Things are actually going good if not best. I'm somewhat impressed so far because I knew some famous cheaters and most of them are banned.
Still, kernel level would solve 95%+ cheater problem, I feel.
There is also the thing about Valve not suing cheat developers like Gamesense, iniuria, etc. I remember some other games approached this and it helped the games so much.
"Still, kernel level would solve 95%+ cheater problem"
Examples of games with AC rootkits that have kernel-level access:
PUBG
Rainbow 6 Siege
Fortnite
COD: Warzone
Valorant
Apex Legends
Escape from Tarkov
Titanfall 2
What is the common link amongst these games apart from them all being FPS games? They were all, at one point or another, while their AC rootkits were fully functional, completely infested with cheaters to the point of being unplayable. In fact, all of these games, Valorant included, still have a very healthy cheater population, numbering in estimates around 5% give or take a few percentage points going off of bans, reports, player-led studies, etc.
AC rootkits have never been and will never be a long term answer against cheaters. Filters, paywalls, trust-based systems, and heuristics have always been the best way short of manual moderation (which is obviously the most resource intensive and highly impractical without community participation). And the future of cheat protection lies in AI-based systems since they're essentially manual moderation automated. Of course, there's the huge issue of false bans, but extensive tuning of the AI AC model as well as a streamlined appeal system should be enough (not to mention every method currently results in significant amounts of false bans, including AC rootkits like Vanguard that have reportedly banned users for third party software not used to cheat in Valorant).
I do agree though that being legally complacent is a massive part of why CS2 has such a large and thriving cheater community. They can walk in broad daylight unlike in other games with more litigious developers and publishers because they're safe in knowing that all Valve will do is ban their accounts in the next ban wave without touching their business model or threatening them with cease and desist.
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@@zettour. yea but kernel ac helps manual moderation
All it really does is make cheats cost more because they require more effort from a cheat devs POV to bypass the AC. Doesn't really solve the problem in the slightest.@@zettour.
@@zettour.Ok but kernel level makes cheats less accessible to the general public as they get more expensive to develop and maintain unlike right now where a $5 cheat in cs2 literally does not get you banned
@@pinetapple2961 AC rootkits have zero relation with manual moderation, unless you suspect a false positive in which case an AC rootkit would make it harder since you'd have to review flagged cases manually.
not sure if i was cheated or not, im just that new to the game, and i think ill come back when anti cheat is implemented in a big way, please keep us up to date on those news :)
No chance of invasive anti cheat, Valve have said as much themselves in the past.
"CS2 will kill Valorant", looks like the only game it killed is CS:GO.
I ocasionally play wingman with a friend and when csgo switched to cs2,we always encountered this super good shooters that peek every corner on the map and sometimes it happens for them to randomly exit the match and when they rejoin, they shoot and move on the map like is their first time playing.Idk if they are trollers or if their cheats are crashing but this kind of thing happens a lot.
And btw...who cares about anti-cheat when you can now inspect the bomb...
I don't play competitive specifically due to the prevalence of cheaters in premiere. While there are MORE in casual, you aren't committed/punished, can queue a different map pool, and any cheaters are usually so new to the game they can be outmaneuvered. I refuse to play competitive matchmaking when Valve struggles to maintain its competitive integrity.
I've even met cheaters in deathmatch like wtf?
Makes me wonder what kind of trust factor people have that they're constantly playing against cheaters. Played 20+ matches in beta and 30+ after release, not one person I can reasonably assume was cheating
Its region-based. EU North are the worst infected region... some regions are lucky
we just checked stats of csgo games, out of 18 csgo games 1 had 12 cheaters another had 20 games with 19 cheaters. you think it changed in cs2?
i just played with a friend who wants to try out cs2 we played like 8 games i guarantee you 7 had cheaters.
The most stupid thing about all of this shit is that because this anticheat is so trash, people just accuse anyone of cheating... i want to play counter strike in a way that if i get killed by someone i can clap and say "good kill", not say fucking cheater, i want that guarantee, and it's so frustrating because this also gives lower tier players a reason to just mass report anyone that is a good player...
When CS 2 came out, I opened it, went into a death match, and my FPS was shit-like 30 to 65 staying in 40s. I checked my settings, and they were all low on 720p, similar to how I played in CS:GO. I checked CPU and GPU usage, and they were both dying. I then closed and deleted the game.
You literally HAVE to play faceit if you don't want cheaters. It is sad. Valve needs intrusive anti cheat immediately. I don't give a shit if Valve can see my google history lmao
Delusional if you think faceit is cheater free, they just play more legit so they don't get banned.
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I mean it's certainly better Tham what we had the last 10 years
@@otakurt1149 10 years ago CS barely had any cheaters. I was a SMFC on CSGO in the early days before Overwatch was even a thing.
@@OMGiTzSpAnKy I have like 1000 matches and I get notification from leetify whenever a player gets banned, I have had probably 3 cheaters ever in my faceit games
I pretty much only play casual and ive never encountered a cheater. Typically no body cares they're just there to fart around and have fun. Occasionally you get people ghosting in discord but thats about the worst of it.
The cheating problem seems to be strickly rank related which makes sense to some degree. You get people that want to win at ANY cost. Or they think everyone else is doing it so they are gonna do it. And from a griefing perspective it takes little to no effort to get a ranked player screaming into their mic, even without the use of a cheat.
I hope they can figure something out to save the competitive players. This is CS after all, a large handful of the player bases are dedicated comp players.
You know it’s bad when the Roblox version deals with cheaters.
i think youre super underestimating how noticable subtick issues are. high ranking and the ability to notice the game feeling off have little to do with each other.
maybe if we're talking about silvers.
as for the cheaters, almost every game i have people snaping to heads or magically knowing where people are.
subtle wallhacks are virtually everywhere. My less-than-good mate suddenly started preaiming the weirdest angles and concistently getting 30 kill games. no need to mention he's no longer on my fl.
currently debating going back to faceit, having to spend -5 bucks a month sucks tho.
I've been playing faceit a lot, best gaming i had in some time. No problems in connections, cheaters, hardware. Since CS2 launch I've been having a blast playing it, obviously outside of valve owned servers
Hhahaha!! You re really funny hahaha!!! Face it has a loooot of cheaters also!! External cheats...on youtube can see a lot of video making fun of how easy is to cheat on faceit and destroy the kernel level anticheat!!! Hahaha omg.....
@@dinamik7you sound like a 5 year old
@@dinamik7 u def a raging cheater 💀💀💀
@@eMaverick. i bet you do...
of course there are going to be cheaters on faceit. But at least faceit have actual admins that monitor games with potential cheaters in them, hence there being less cheaters in faceit than in valve official servers. Plus, the incentive for cheaters to cheat in premier mode is higher than in faceit because ranking up in premier mode is more important for them...@@dinamik7
I switched to playing valorant years ago. There was always 2 main things that made me miss counter-strike though:
1: The weapons were just more depended on skill. In CS you had pretty predictable sprays whereas in Valorant they became very very random after only a couple of bullets. I always prereffered the way CSGO did it.
2: The non gameplay features of CSGO where just better: You can use community servers in CSGO and you had access to a ton of custom content like mods and maps. And a big one was Demos/replays. Something that riot somehow still didn't manage to implement.
When CS2 was released i was excited and tried it out. But both things that I missed about CS were not true anymore: The weapon sprays feel super weird and I can't hit anything for the life of me. And the Demo feature was just removed. You cannot even download workshop maps anymore. IDK why I would play this over valorant.
Spray patterns is still a thing, just stops being predictable after about 8 bullets. Even then, you can turn on follow recoil on the new cross hair setting and can see exactly your spray.
@@altectechy that‘s not the issue. I seem to be shooting blanks or something
Valorant... The game to play when you have no taste.
Been playing this game on and off since it came out, including 1.6 during the early 2000's. I can honestly say that I haven't encountered that many cheaters whenever I've played competitive/premier. I'll get the occasional spin bot, maybe a couple aim botters here and there, but I'm usually not one to jump to conclusions when I'm getting destroyed. Sometime's someone's just having a really good day.. There are days when I'm fragging so hard the other team is framing me of cheating and days when I'm getting absolutely destroyed. Most of the time I'm just average, and I know trust factor might have a big play when it comes down to getting queued with cheaters but hopefully Valve comes up with a big VAC update soon for newer players.
Create new steam account and play without Prime, you won't last an hour not seeing any cheaters in one of your games, trust me.
@@strider029 Get prime then?
As a new player to CSGO2 it is really frustrating playing a casual game with pros whom are obviously camping and some cheat. Got headshots within a minute of the game starting each round by the same player, took all the fun out of the game. Need rank based matches or will just stick to playing locked matches with friends
If CSGO can exist and pull in new players after a decade (like me) then CS2 isn’t going to just die out unless a tragedy of national proportions befalls Valve
I haven't played a single premier game (~50 wins, ~8k elo) with someone obviously cheating in it...
Must be in the minority but I also never ran into cheaters in CSGO whilst being Global for many years.
Obviously at 8K elo lol. That is very lo
I don’t know if this cheater problem is more notorious in NA or what, but I have about 50 games in premier EU and haven’t found a single blatant cheater, I suspect maybe 5 games with walls.
It may also be cause I’m not playing high elo matches, I’m around 10k elo.
You also have to consider that right now the ranks are a bit broke , people switch high level were placed in low ranks and viceversa
Hi. I'm 36 years old, and I started playing video games at the age of 13. My first FPS was Counter-Strike 1.5. I immediately fell in love, and started a decades-long gaming career. At the age of 31 or so, I quit playing FPS games altogether because of the prevalence of cheaters in CS:Go, Apex Legends, and just about every other FPS game I enjoyed. I quit gaming because of cheaters.
The cheaters have won. Online competitive gameplay is dead.
Agreed. This is not just a CS problem, it's all of gaming. Literally a waste of your life competing against these nerds. I'm about to sell my PC, no joke
They should just let u AFK when you see an obvious hacker without getting your trust factor reduced at least you won't have to waste your time in that session. You're literally held hostage until it's over.
As you get older you start to see that there are some issues that can't/won't be fixed. Cheats in video games are a game of cat and mouse. Name one game thst doesn't have cheats in it.
I was wondering why 5 out of 5 deathmatch lobbies included the obvious wallhacker, the triggerbotter, and the game crasher
I only have around 2.5 k hours bit played since 2015, in csgo when you got put in a rank you would usually play against people your rank, and cheaters were obviously also a thing.
However the thing that ruins it for me is that due to not everyone playing or having a rank yet, you come across at least 1-2 people way higher rated than you or even a whole team(or at least i do), i know what the sprays are like and compensate for those and sometimes easily put 10-15 bullets in someone and it says i only hit them once, when i checked the game you could clearly see the bullets were connecting.
If they don’t fix these issues i’m sure they’ll lose a lot of their player base, i’ll continue playing and just wait for the ranks to settle i guess.
In almost every competitive match I encounter a wall hacker it’s getting really disgusting..
A cheater in my comp game made me so angry, i almost break my entire cabinet
I've been a CS player since Source. 1300 hours of CSGO and I'd take a guess at 2000 - 3000 hours on Source. Hackers have always been an issue on this game. This is the only thing that spoils it for me. I played two games in a row with obvious hackers, so I'm now taking a break until fixed.
Is cheating more prevalent in the lower or higher ranks? I started playing not long ago and just recently hit Silver Elite and have yet to run into any blatant cheaters.
I just started playing CS2 but noticed there so many cheaters making the game not fun anymore. So I keep on quitting and another game with another cheater on the team or on the opposite side. I hope valve is going to fix this. I'm starting to loose my interest in the game.
the worst part is people pretending that everything is ok
Movement sucks, consistency sucks, game sucks
3/5 games today. They go from rage hacking in comp to aim locking pre nading in premier. A cheater racking up 20 assists just by nading and reporting to his 5 stack our location is even harder to deal with than one aimbotter/waller. Have no choice but to troll queue valorant and disappoint some teammates