Mirage is Still Stupid
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
- There are very few things in the Counter-Strike community that are as loved - and hated - as Mirage. Over the course of ten years Mirage became CS:GO’s most played, most frustrating map.
The layout was great but, thanks to the sea of one-ways that plagued it, Mirage became a cheesy, puggy hellscape. Mirage should’ve been a masterpiece but, as Global Offensive’s busted-ass utility got increasingly exploited, it devolved into something else entirely.
The thing is, CS2 fixed all of that . . . sort of. There’s still a lot to learn - and a few things to exploit - but Mirage is so much closer to being the perfect map it was always supposed to be, and we’re going to show you how to play it to perfection.
Written & Hosted by: Dimitri Pascaluta (@DPascaluta)
Edited by: Colten Gowan (@TheOnlyZoltan)
Produced by: Danielle Rosen (@_DanielleRosen), Miles Hackett (@miles_hackett) and Niall McCrossan (@niallmccrossan)
Thumbnail by: Bennett Grainger (Insta: @bennettgrainger)
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the score never fails to play the coldzera clip....
I was just about to comment xD
and boston major final clip
"I have played this map countless times over the past couple of weeks, mostly against my will..."
The prime experience!
Same here dust2 is much better than mirage
gets pros to say mirage is worst map... but they're all from the same team....
I supposed we a a little formula here…….
Way to obvious in fact…
there was twistzz as well, but i get what you mean. still its hard to get all pros to say what you want. can only take those few examples. let me tell you, we play cs since 20 fucking years, and nobody with a brain wants to still grind mirage in 2023^^ not one more thing to discover, and similar to inferno very limited options, and ways to overcome the enemy.
@@coooolibriindeed. I hate mirage. If you play duo premiere you will have 100% mirage as map
@@coooolibriI guess that's exactly why it's the most played map and the worst map at the same time. People like to play their best that's why mirage is often chosen, and the fact that everyone is so afraid to get out of that comfort zone is exactly why it's the worst map in the game
Been playing for 20 years. I hate it too, tbh.
The stairs smoke you showed is so exposed from ramp, you can throw stairs and jungle from the door just past your CT smoke spot
your teammate can throw their smoke for you to do both stairs and jungle smokes then they can watch the ramp
Yeah I always get a team up, one guy throws booth, one throws jungle/stairs area, you can hit both from way further back.
@@stardustie yeah all I'm saying is that it could also be an option
I would probably enjoy Mirage if it wasn't the only map that people ever picked in premier mode. I rarely ever see it get banned unless either my team or the enemy team wants to play a different map. I think removing it from the active duty pool and forcing people to actually play different maps would do wonders for premier mode. After all, the whole point of premier is to perform well no matter what map gets picked. If I wanted to play Mirage only, I would simply play competitive and only select Mirage.
Removing a map entirely wouldn't be a good idea. Just because you don't like doesn't mean others shouldn't like/choose it. If you want to play other maps go to legacy matchmacking aka regular competitive.
@@engi3583 idk why you think it’s not a good idea to remove maps from active duty, that’s the way this game has always worked. only 7 can be in active duty at one time and when they want to bring in new maps one has gotta go
idk, out of the 15-16 games I've played to get my elo, I got mirage 2 times. Inferno on the other hand, like 7 or 8 times.
@@engi3583removing the map would be healthy for all levels of play. like you said, you would still be able to q it in regular competitive. removing maps from active duty is done partly for the sake up shaking up the pool and introducing more variety. mirage is the antithesis of this. it is so much more popular than the other maps that it is massively over-represented. IMO, they should remove mirage and replace it with train. mirage can then get reintroduced after it gets its much much much needed remake.
@@georgehill3087i played one game of premier and got vertigo smh
I love how much you devote into this. Keep up the good work for the community
5:35 IT HIM!!
Gotta love it when theScore uploads! Another great video
Thank you for showing all these smokes, I will be using this video a lot in the future. Love you Dimitri!
14:20 I've seen that connector smoke before, and I've used it, it was great, but the last time I played, it seems they nerfed it. All smokes will kind of cascade/waterfall downwards towards the ground until they hit solid ground. So that smoke now just really thoroughly covers connector window. Unless I'm just seeing a glitch, but that's what it's doing on me. Same with window smoke, if you get it close to the window and not back and centered in window, it will kind of pour out the front and you get smoke sorry if waterfall-ing down below window kind of smoking that window jump too.
1:00 i will be honest with you getting a sample size of 3 pro players from one team is effectively a null and void argument. Ofcourse people that play together constantly would form a roughly uniform opinion and no front to Big but they dont have the best Mirage in the league (atleast currently in CS2 they used to have an above 55% winrate on Mirage) ofcourse they would be bias towards a negativ opinion on the map
you are trying to discredit their experience. they are talking for everybody else as well... the other guys just never stated it like that, or hated other maps more. you dont get pros to always say what you want to hear for a vid. have to take what is there.
@@coooolibri i am not discredited the experience. But there are plenty of proteams that dont hate mirage.
@@fabiopauli420 its a pretty general consensus that people are just bored of the map, its been so good for so long that people want some change
@@seb5946 thats great, than interview players from different proteams and not all from one team that play together and inform eachothers opinions anyway.
This would show that multiple teams are against it, as it stands what the video shows is just big being against it and one proteam not liking a map is honestly something pretty normal.
@@fabiopauli420 that is true as well, he shouldve gotten more diverse opinions but you have to think about how its probably hard to sift through thousands of vods and streams to find some pro complaining about a map in a logical way rather than some rage fueled complaint
I hope this talks about the buggy ahh self boosts currently on the map
the "workbench" in window is called a sawhorse cool smokes i learned a few i didnt know from this
The lineup to nade a smoke is hilarious.
The ct window one way still kinda work. the one where you aim at the dot on top of the ceiling. if you get to the right side the smoke sometimes give you window to nick a kill. and you can always tap the smoke with A1 to see for a sec and kill.
that knife attacks from cadian are the most assasin move ever in csgo
Watching videos like these is so interesting because of getting to see how differently other people have done their smokes. Like, the second ticketbooth smoke he showed is the one I've been using as standard for years now. Which is interesting cause it never got on top of the box in GO for me, it just worked (though of course it would still sometimes bloom in a way that it could be one-way'd)
yeah it's the standard CT smoke lol
I know CS is the holy grail of tac fps but even just hearing all these smoke line ups (and its just one of many maps) makes me glad valo is easier to smoke.
@@randymagnum8178I'd argue CS is easier because this comes with myriads of experience with the maps, and not because of making it a convenient game mechanic. You're rewarded for learning it.
Saying "silver" after showing ohnepixel stream was hilarious
U really did Ohne dirty with that window clip
I dont like that stairs smoke because it has to be thrown from the same position as jungle because one of those smokes its guaranteed to come later than the other two and it would just throw your team off after they hear smokes pop start pushing but stairs still isnt popped they get peeked and die
year 2065, CS 7
thescore: ohhhhhh jumping double from cold!!!
that connector one way doesn't work anymore, as far as I'm aware
There is this one smoke, that you can throw on top of connector.. that just blooms ALL the way down and closes off connector completely. Its insane how powerful it is and can be thrown absolutely foolproof from upper-mid.
who?
your mum asked@@Nomidy
@@Nomidyi care
@@Nikawlos NartOutHere has a vid about a similar smoke. Thats on top of connector and blooms all the way down.
I accidently found a lineup for that smoke because when i tried learning con smoke it landed there
2:35 lmao, ohne catchin a stray
2:34 "wether youre a silver..." ohnePixel clip. LMAO
What's wrong with Mirage is that all of the nuance lies in an open mid that you cannot hide presence for T's, and have very few fixed angles that CTs can peek into mid. It devolves into a mix of perfect team ]overhead utility usage and simply luck-based peek-a-boo.
Think the first T that arrives at high mid. It's unknown (unless pros watching each others' demos) whether a CT who wants to peek would do so from connector or nest, so that entry fragger T has to choose whether to play it safe and narrow angle peek conn, or take a chance and Xantares peek nest. In a normal game with normal humans, this is completely unpredictable and dumb luck of the draw.
Contrast with gigachad dust 2 mid. The CT side has a slope contour and so do the Ts. This means it's not a single static 2D point to look for like mirage mid peeks, but an actual 3-dimensional battlefield where aim matters. The mid doors have been perfected such that T's seeking map control can keep mid control without showing their hand on how many players are near mid. CTs have to really dig deep into movement abilities and mind games for info rather than being forced to use perfect teamwork to flash teammates out to peek that 2D conn/nest/short for info.
Mirage has proven that the more artificial corridors and alleyways you put into dust 2 to constrain movement and line of sight, the more you would be forcing teams to work in perfect harmony in order to win a round. That's exactly why Mirage is often so mesmerising to watch as a pleb, but the pros who see through it all think it's just choreographed bs. There's less room for superstars to do superstar things in Mirage, and not everyone likes to watch or play set piece after set piece. Some of us just miss the simpler times from pre-2018/2019 and Mirage is a middle finger to old-school style of cs playing with strangers and minimal, rudimentary teamwork.
was that intro bit post the ad read made by gpt? cause it doesn't really make sense innit?
2:36 theScore throwing shade on ohne lol
12:05 and another one hahahaha
i have a question about cs esport, when u die and u did damage to the guy that killed u, do you see the damage that u did or does it go black like faceit ?
Lining up nades with the HUD is a BAD IDEA because you can customize its position with the safezone and hud_scaling commands, a lot of players do that.
mirage is a great map and i think thats inarguable, but the community holds it on this pedestal like its the best map ever invented, 1 mirage a day is fine but if im playing faceit or premier everyone just wants to play mirage, while at the same time complaining about it being overplayed, recently ive started loving ancient bc its basically mirage 2.0 but in a cool jungle and most people below level 7 dont even know the map. also doing gods work by showing all the important smokes and briefly explaining why they should be thrown
Mirage is the new Dust 2
The closest map to Dust 2
@4:25 This one isn't a one-way. Imperial's window smoke was perfect, without any gaps. This was straight up a glitch exploit which m0nesy used and abused during all the matches that day until it was patched the day after.
step 1: explain how boring the map was because of one ways, and how people where rats to use them
step 2: make a cs2 one way tutorial and tell how much you love the cat smoke ^^
Doesn't one way mean that one can see through smoke and others can't? In cs2, even if you can see from a small gap, the other person can also see you in that gap too. The connector smokes in this case.
It fixed what CS players typically called one ways (smoke grenades creating small one way views along the edges of smokes), but doesn't fix idea of giving one-way vision.
If the elevations or distances are just right and the smoke has a gap from the ground, then one team can have a one way view of the other.
An example using how this type of one way extends to everything would be this:
Imagine a piece of paper 1 foot in front of your face. Someone far enough away would be entirely obscured by it, but they could see your body.
Fundamentally, it's an issue stemming from the fact that player models are large and the camera is a single point. It could be fixed by having smokes extend/descend to the ground wherever they explode, but I have given no thought to the negative consequences of doing that.
The other way to solve it would be map design that doesn't allow for smokes to get caught and explode above people.
@bagorngo no i mean i get that some smokes have advantage like that where people can see others feet but the other person can't see them due to as said elevations and stuff. But gaps like those where a person can spot other, those gaps also work for the other person too. He can see you through the gap if you can see him now. And by gaps i mean the ones like mirage window one way smoke or connector one way smokes. I really like the current ones espacially due to the fact that even in utter chaos of smokes i don't get lost too much often now as compared to before whete i had to gambble and prey that somehow the other guys don't spot my bodypart when i can't spot them too. The visibility now is insane compare to before.
@@gghhoosstt1233 Actually in that particular connector smoke it's different. The rule that if "you can see their feet they can also see yours" is not applicable to this smoke due to a little wall that blocks the vision of your feet. So, yes, this connector smoke is a really good sort of one-way, but probably doesn't work in higher levels
@@hectorlesinhovski6494 I am not saying about feet, in csgo the connector and window smoke was not one way due to the feet but the head or body, which they fixed it in cs2. now when ever i peek mid in mirage as a T and i see a bad smoke near connector and the enemy tries to take advantage of it as a one way it doesn't work anymore cuz he may think that he have a one way and i cannot see him in that gap but i definitely can now and take that fight fair and square. Same with window oneway. The new meta was the feet but not because the smoke is glitched but because the smoke is being place the way that from a certain angle and distance the other can see your feet because they have more field of vision or view. Due to this valve changed the smokes so that when it pops it blooms down instead of up so that feets are now not visible and inferno new ct smoke that was invented which used to cover even the boost there now not works due to smokes being blooming downwards instead of upwards making the boost usable again.
@@gghhoosstt1233 got it, thanks dude
more Dimitri , more cs2. ty!
even if cs2 still has some huge problems to fix the removal of one ways really is so much healthier for the game.
13:50 conn smoke is actually made much better with the recentish update on smokes.
faster window smoke is the same as csgo 128 tick where you hold d but aim a little bit higher
There's a better CT Ticket Booth smoke that's almost identical to what he shows here, but you line up on that little corner that is chamfered, it's the corner just across the path from the spot he shows, then you aim it at the pole sticking off the building and go up a tiny bit (just practice it, it's really easy, like roughly half the height of your stock crosshair) then jump throw. It will smoke ticket booth with a smoke that lands just barely on the edge of the box there at Booth. It makes it so it blocks the high angle too so a CT can't get squirrelly and try to jump on top of the box and peek over your smoke. It COMPLETELY shuts down CT for A site
Edit: 7:50 nevermind! He showed the smoke I'm talking about. I should shut up until the video plays completely lol😅 BUT! if you stand at the same lineup for that ticket booth smoke, and you aim towards jungle and put your crosshair on the imaginary spot where that buildings corner would be if the roof and wall lines continued going and interested (it makes sense if you see it) and jump throw, you can get jingle Smoked from the same spot. Have a teammate drop your a smoke on their way by and one guy can smoke ticket and jungle by himself with two quick throws from the same spot.
8:43 this lineup assumees people haven't tweaked the settings in their UI to bring icons higher up :(
austincs with the one way grind xD
dude i love that i love it, the perfection of a map layout in one masterpiece. critics just be yapping
2:34 why is there ohne when u said silver ?? XD
I honestly miss OG mirage. When I quit playing counter strike in 2018, it was literally my biggest pet peeve getting mirage lobbies every game. I'd cue for anything else besides dust2 and mirage and I'd wait forever just to get a match going and then it'd be forever to get into another lobby again. All to avoid this one map.
PUBG smoke grenade would fix it for sure with some adjustments like vertical smoke spread which pubg needs to hide characters head being showing if you are on high ground. in smoke grenade physics battlefield and pubg got one of best smoke physics which prevents one way smoke.
What's beyond me is why they didn't change the entry into B a long time ago. It's basically Impossible to clear for angles. There's van, underneath van, bench, 3 diffrenet spots oniste, kitchen, underneath the window, behind the pillar on short. And they can all see you at the same time.
Whenever i want to enter B i get an instant headshot and don't know where it came from.
Your only option is to rush and hope that not everyone dies instantly.
We need more maps on the queue not less. At least in competetive since comp isnt as sweaty as premier
I also had a feeling that smokes in CS2 would muffle or dampen noise. Like it would affect sound spread, so that the cloud is being not just a source of hissing sound, but actually would reflect / reshape ambient sounds. but may be its an illusion, i'm not quite sure.
I don't play CS, so the off-hand valorant lineup cracked me up.
It’s just Dust 2 with extra steps.
I always preferred Inferno anyway.
New inferno is worse than the first version of vertigo
mirage is goat
Yikes. That entire map sucks especially Banana
that this map was always in the map pool for TEN YEARS and it only has TWO really highlights.... Is everything you need to know about this shit map
is cadian cluch the new olofboost of score Esports ? 😂😂😂
- Dust
- Dust 2
- Inferno
- Nuke
- Train
- Cbble
- Aztec
- Prodigy
- Assault (hostage)
There. CS 1.6 best maps.
woah cool finger rings
Wait there are other maps besides mirage?
The only map available on Faceit is Mirage
I'd say objectively it indeed is the best map CS ever had for 5v5 bomb mode. It's all around almost perfect, which is the reason why it's so popular
I also hate it nowadays though. I played thousands of games on there and Valve never even bothered to update it properly
I can't imagine willingly playing a game where this is the shit you have to memorize
I can't either - anymore. 7-8 years ago when I was still in Uni with lots of time on my hand sure but these days I can't be bothered
its very basic, only need to learn 3 or 5 spot. or drop your smokes to igl. let them smokes for team
Eh, I mean now that you're sort of forced to learn 7 different maps because you might have to play them all it's definitely worse. Back when you just always picked maps yourself it was fine because you just had to remember like 6 or 7 lineups in all and you would generally be okay. Plus it's not like most of them are that hard to remember. A lot of smokes you can just kind of wing it and as long as you have the general idea down they should work.
Plus you're playing for dozens (hundreds even) of hours, so you don't have to learn every single one at the same time. just getting the hang of one or two at a time until you can do them practically blindfolded and then moving on to new ones works pretty well.
Is your Attention span from TikTok so short that you cant remember 5 Lineups? yikes, kinda sad.
@@chuck_norris lol imagine having TikTok installed
ohne just catching strays🤣
one ways are still a thing, i used it on mirage just yesterday and got called a wallhacker for it lmao.
Do anybody have always problem with lags in cs2 in each mm maatch? Only game with this problem do only i have it ?
can someone tell me the jumpthrow code?
how to nade the window smoke 12:47
Valve is fixing the game in many ways, they broke in many ways too but they are working on it every time and it's good to see that
Mirage 2 when?
Yo what’s with the time stamps?
thescore is always like 2 months behind everything lol.
All my homies know dust 2 is and always has been the quintessential cs de map.
Dude needs Tegretol 😂, stay away from Xanax...
mirage kills confidence but can also build it
mirage slander in full swing as expected
Mirage is a map that is plagued by the worst scourges of all
Russians
Every time I play any mode on any version of CS I feel like I'm in Russia.
you mean, polish people? xD
And then you get dust 2 with Chinese
@@willisbronze9984Australia moment?
@@dotnet9830 Yup, played 2 years on that server, move to SEA now and its the same thing lmfao
Mirage should've been a mirage.
MIRAGE IS PEAK🔥🔥🔥
I loved when you guys showed ohnePixel when talking about silvers playing the map too.
That was hilarious af, dude's trash
Dimitri looks way too happy in this video, not that im complaining. :) just saying.. its a mirage map
What pros think doesn't matter shit when 90% of the community disagrees. The game is sold to the public, not the competitive players
Mirage is a good map, i used to love it, but when im playing 20 Mirage Matches every day on premier i cant bring myself to like it anymore.
Mirage to me is like a nice Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese from McDonalds - a decently tasty, fun, unchallenging and easy to consume product... but if you forced me to eat one every single time I had a meal for the rest of my life, I would jump off Vertigo, but IRL
Having half of FaceIt games be Mirage gets old really quick
GL trying to do this smokes in silver ranks. unless 5 stack aint happening.
Never liked Mirage and I've always loved Inferno but I wouldn't be heart broken if either or both got pulled from the pool at this point. Having played the game a ton since CS 2 came out both of the maps just feel really boring to play especially on T side.
Rare Dimitiri L. Mirage is and always has been the best map in game
HAHHA WTF NOO FOR SURE THE WORST
@@v4led No, Ancient and Vertigo are worse.
nice of you to interview all 3 players from B.I.G, whose perma ban 90% of the time is mirage over various iterations of its rosters, Mirage is the greatest csgo map of all time , the only bad thing about mirage is it has become stale as this map has been in the map pool the longest and there is nothing new to do on this map, the only thing that has changed in cs2 is we can totally smoke off connector from t- spawn without any gaps which makes it easier for the t's to take mid control.
If Dimitri had asked the same question to the rest of the pro scene and the playerbase 90% of the them will tell you Vertigo is the worst map in cs2 and was also the worst map on csgo. But he won't make a video about vertigo being dogshit, as he loves vertigo for some weird reason and I don't know what he likes about that map.
Vertigo needs to go before mirage.
I feel like mirage would improve with just a few ajudstments... Just to keep it fresh, its not a bad mad its just been the same for too long.
Just an fyi no one at a high level of cs go cared about one ways on mirage because you just pre fire the 1 way spots and they walk into it. Is it kind of stupid yes but it wasn’t a problem.
Not to even speak of the 10 000 silent jumps and drops u can do on the map, can pretty much surf every wall
why u calling ohne a silver bro?
I rarely make some comments here at CZcams, but i have to say something, you guys have some good videos thats why i liked your channel 2 years ago but where is something about Dota TI? or any other esport topic? you should rename your channel wiht esport : Valorant + CS would be more accurate these days.... this i quite sad, especially when you guys had such a cool start.
This dude watched wayyy too much Defranco. Too much.
every awp play shown was better than the coldzera play he hits a lucky jump shot getting the double kill. Its a shit stupid play takes absolutely no skill a silver could hit that play but everyone hypes it for no reason realistically he should have got one tapped jumping for the peek
this trashpile map is the reason anubis and ancient, the best map layouts of fps shooters, are not picked. what a shame
Mirage is not a good map in mm because it requires a 5stack the most. For example nuke is a really good pug map because you can do a lot on ur own on t side. In mirage u need smokes and execs because every entry for the ts is a chokehold where always 1 ct and probably more are watching it. Therefore u need teamwork to make the map work. Also on ct because i have had so many games where there was 0 communication and i played b and i only heard they were A when they were already on A site. Retaking A site is very very hard. So in conclusion its not a good map.
Bring back Train.
I don’t like mirage purely because of the monotone sand brown everywhere. Even dust 2 has more color.
If ur going to peek after you nade a smoke, dont just sit behind it. You have to strafe or else you will get fucked
dd2 is way more loved and hated
8:55 that smoke is bullshit. I've found a better one, where u can smoke jungle and stairs from the same spot. At the door where u could do ct smoke on CSGO now u stop in front, aim at the the biggest building on your right, than aim at the electric wire connection and jumpthrow and after put your aim at the top left of the same building, slight to the left and jumpthrow again.