My HSS End Mill Will Machine Circles Around Your Carbide Tools
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2022
- Jessie discusses HSS tooling and how going the cheap way… is actually costing you more than just money.
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The thumbnail killed me! 🤣 I learned very early on that saving money is not always the best method. To run a company or even a department, you have to know when to spend money. We recently had an instance in which a manager could have gotten the proper repair done on our main a/c but decided to go with the much cheaper patch job. 8 months later and the company had to spend tens of thousands getting the system replaced due to this. My point is that there's a time to save money and there's a time to spend it.
It's easy to say when you get all your tools for free from sponsors and don't do any real work, just making wolf heads and American flags. Real job shops have to get the job done with an endmill that doesn't cost have the price of the part you're making.
no disrespect but this shop will probable not make it thru the next serious down turn. I have been in shops that are convinced they MUST spend top dollar on every tool and machine. If you burn your cash and don't prepare for slow times then you are doomed. Also if you know how to put a keen edge on HSS you will get an amazing finish.
There's no way to express how common this situation is. The many job shops I've been in, and have had friends tell me of, all operate under the same "production only mindset," where it's near impossible to meet scheduled deadlines, there's never enough people in a department to continue the flow of labor, and worst of all, the need for parts to be made accurately and quickly with the absolute bare minimum in equipment and of course tooling. Sorry for the rant, but the buildings I work in have no proper windows or airflow, so I had to vent somewhere.
Well, I'll tell you my own experience. I was never "the machinist guy" - but hey, I've studied CNC programming and got my own diploma on this field. Then first job in the field came in - one of the larger company with long tradition in the region somewhat 18 km away from where I live. And guess what? I was working on NC (that's Numeric Control for you guys, who have no idea; CNC predecessor) lathe which was older then myself and programs were loaded via perforated paper (one step upgrade from perforated metal slides). In this company, most of the tools used were HSS type. In the end I was sick of this job - when the chance came up, I've jumped into completely different field and now - 10+ years later - I would probably never again accepted similiar jopb again. There are very few companies around who do invest in their toolings, equipment and other "right stuff" - but seriously, do not take that as granted. Shops like Titan is running - with all new shiny equipment, tools, neatly clean - would be probably dream job for me, but that was just as rare as unicorn is today.
I actually still often grab HSS endmills when I have to go down to manual land. Those machines are older and don’t have much rpm available, so anything 1/2” and under is running nowhere near the speed they should. I prefer the sharper HSS over coated carbide when I’m running those machines. HSS still has its place, but back on the CNCs carbide is king.
As a business owner, he's spot on. Buying expensive brand new equipment is generally the last option I consider, but sometimes it's the one I go with when it pencils. Generally the best value is in used modern equipment. That way you get most of the benefits of new equipment but with a cheaper price tag.
I’ve been made to not want Allahs but.
In the last ten years, our machine shop invested more than 11 million Euro in carbide tools and new cnc software for the older machines. One time at year, our machinists getting a two week workshop in house to learn the latest applications of the new CAD/CAM software. So we always keeping the staff up to date.
Everything comes down to what kind of shop / machinist you want to be. Go big with a bunch of payroll and overhead or buy a used VMC, a Prototrak, and a few decent lathes and take the jobs that Titan can’t even be bothered to look at. Everyone I know running a small job shop is covered up with work. It’s a lot less painful to neck down a HSS endmill for some special purpose than a carbide one. Less of a pain in the ass as well. It’s definitely a lot easier mentally to let those machines that are paid for sit in the garage you own while you go on vacation. They aren’t eating nothing.
I used to work at a shop where the owner refused to buy any new equipment unless we had a PO in hand to pay for. After 15 years this never happened. I started my own shop last year with the model of only using the best machines, tools, work holding, etc. I am the only employee with two machines and I do a third of the sales every month as my previous employer that has 15 employees and 20 machines with an average age of 18 years old. Things are good right now so we both make money, I just make it faster.
"Thought without action is worthless" words to live by 👊
I use both hss and carbide tooling in my shop. Hss is worth its weight in gold, when you use it in the right situations. I still have an old shaper in my shop, because it can run in background cleaning up crap, for essentially no cost, while I make money on the next operation without destroying tooling. What I am saying is that there is never a single tool or machine solution. Carbide is almost always my preferred option, but I run hss end mills into jobs where I know damaged tools are inevitable. Cheap $20 hss lasts better than $150 carbide in some situations. Choose the most cost effective tooling for each job. Never prejudice your decision because 'this is always better'. That's how you make money.
I’m so tempted to show this to my boss 😂 I felt like you were describing where I work
My tool and die shop uses HSS. We have carbide as well but there are instances that HSS has actually performed better than carbide in some jobs. Not saying your incorrect but HSS is still useful in a few ways. An example was these welded fixture frames we made that needed a .0015 tolerance flatness over the entire top. We initially tried a carbide shell mill, no matter what we did or how well we secured it to the table, new inserts, different types of inserts, different speeds and feeds, nothing worked. Switched to a HSS sheel mill and it worked great.
I have used hss when I am not sure about the rigidity of a part setup that I can’t improve economically otherwise always carbide. It doesn’t happen very often. I have even made tooling out of tool steel for special jobs that needed a very fast turn around. So to me having an expertise in a range of tooling and the the knowledge of when best to apply it is important. Especially when replicating parts designed when Cnc machines were not in use. Like for instance parts for the f1 rocket engine. They can be very difficult to make in todays machine shops
This video is timely, accurate, and full of truth! Thanks for posting it!
The shop I work in finally replaced a 40 year old CNC Lathe with a bar feeder last year after the manager/supervisor had spent several years fighting corporate trying to get a new one in the budget. They wisely put me in charge of the new machine (Doosan Lynx 2100 LSYB), I'm still fine tuning things and going back and forth with our programmer (it certainly helps that I also learned the code necessary and can edit it myself on the fly) and the shop is sill largely allergic to carbide tools, but all the same I've made it my general mission with the new machine to be getting most parts out in half the time or less than the old machine took even if the setup takes a little longer (because of more tooling). I took one part that we run a lot of which required two ops with the second one being on a different machine entirely and hour long setups with over 11 minutes of combined cycle time plus additional secondaries down to a single op on this new machine in 3 minutes and 52 seconds of cycle time and no secondaries. In the last year I have eliminated so many secondaries, combined multiple ops, and just pushed speeds and feeds up from the old low and slow mentality. My work station has 4 drill presses, a manual horizontal mill, and a second manual lathe and they are all barely ever used any more, parts come out of the new machine DONE in less time and with better tolerances.
This was a great video with a really good message. It was not titled very well in my opinion. I clicked on it wondering if I’d find the typically great advice and techniques for running cheaper tooling. I’m not dissatisfied with the video in the least. I just kept waiting for tips and tricks for running HSS tools which which never came. Oh well. There will undoubtedly be more awesome content to come. Keep up the good work boys.