My First Part: Machining The Toughest Material On SYIL X7
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0:00 Monel K500
0:40 Machining off the scale
1:11 What is Monel K500
2:32 First cuts on the Syil X7
5:25 TITANS of CNC are Syil Distributors
7:30 Finish Machining
9:10 First look at the machined monel K500
9:28 Drilling monel K500
11:46 Chamfer milling monel K500
14:01 The end result
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Nice to see Titan himself back on the machine .
But it's Monel k500. Whew! Makes titanium seem easy as anything to machine.
@@drafty0183 im pretty sure his name isnt Monel K500 Gilroy :P
Love it ❤
He wasn't "on the machine". He stood there while the camera was rolling.
I once turned K500 on a Mazak. That stuff feels like tough chewing gum.
When you rub your finger over the surfa e after turning, if feels smooth in the direction you turned, but grabs the skin if you go the other way.
But it was a nice learning and experience
Same here. It wasn't K500 but it was monel, also done on a Mazak. From what I remember it wasn't fun to cut but it wasn't THAT bad. Worst materials I've ever cut were Chromel and Alumel with the latter being the absolute worst, worse than Hastelloy X actually.
The toughest part of machining Inconel, Hastelloy, and Monel isn't just that the metals start off gummy, it's that they exhibit severe work hardening, particularly during machining - the tool bites into gummy, sticky material which then gets super hard before finally breaking off. 300-series stainless steel does this as well but it's not as gummy to start with and doesn't harden up as much as the nickel-based alloys.
Case in point: a foundry I used to work at poured some Hastelloy C-22 castings that required mechanical property testing. We thought it would be okay to machine those test bars in-house just like we would with any carbon steel, alloy steel, or stainless steel, putting them through our Puma just like we would any of those materials. The properties we got didn't quite make sense until we sent test material to an area contract laboratory. Their results were perfectly in line with expectations...because as I later found out, our machining process cranked the hardness up from the 180ish range on the Brinell scale to well over 400, whereas the outside lab using the right speeds/feeds/inserts/coolant kept the hardness down where it ought to be.
which is worse? nickel based or copper based alloys?
@@narmale If we take each element's alloys as a whole? Nickel. Not all copper-based alloys are challenging to machine, and indeed brass (copper mixed with zinc) is the gold standard for machinability. Many copper alloys can be tough, but brasses and bronzes can be very forgiving.
On the flip side, I can't think of a nickel alloy that is anywhere near that easy to machine...Inconel (Ni-Cr-Fe) is tough to machine, Hastelloy (Ni-Mo-Cr) is tough to machine, Monel (Ni-Cu) is tough to machine, Incoloy (Ni-Fe-Cr) is tough to machine, the wackier superalloys like René/Waspaloy/Nimonic are tough to machine...there's a theme, and that theme is that nickel-based alloys are challenging for most machinists.
I work for G.E. Aerospace and we run inconel for the majority of our parts. Along with another material called rene. These go in jet engines for Boeing and Airbus. Love this industry!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_41
What I tell folks that blows their minds is machining nickel/inconel parts with ceramic inserts! Heats it up, scoops it out like ice cream. Lava ice cream LOL
@@BrassBashersCeramic works great on uninterrupted cuts, but hit one nick or interruption and watch that insert disappear into a million pieces.
I do tons of heat treated 718, and nemonic. Fun stuff
I made my wedding bands out of some 718 on a hand lathe.
IDEA FOR A VIDEO: How about a machining competition between 5 of your top machinist? identical part, same machine, you could give points for, type of setup, speed, finish, tolerance, etc, only 1 stipulation, the part has to be for an actual customer, what do you say? are you up for this challenge? Love to see it!
They are top-dog. All machinists but working on difference machines. Milling machines, lathe, Swiss Machine, EDM, grinder, metrology guy, inspector…. And not only they are machinists but they are certified instructors at Titan Of CNC Academy as well. Again they are some of finest machinists supervised by the only celebrity machinist Titan Gilroy. ❤😂
We talked about doing this but Barry and Trevor knew I would win so now they just go ahead and give me the trophy 🤣🤣
@@Jessie_Smith Yeah, I get it, they both do come off as being a little intimidated by your superior machining abilities, they should at least try though, I know it's a long shot but, you never know, one of them might just pull it off and win.
lol I guess I could design a competition that would give them a competitive advantage and then maybe take it easy on them so they have a chance lol.
And by the way, I’m screenshotting this and sending it to them
Hey titan, I'vd love to see maybe 5 parts made and cnc'd on this machine checked by cmm to check the repeatibility of the machine. Thanks guys, love the content.
That is coming. Right now we are seeing .0002-.0003
I used to manual machine monel when I was 18 as an apprentice.
We made high end metrology equipment and there were all sorts of exotic materials used with a lot of Inconel due to its low coefficient of expansion, it helps control the stability of your measurements.
We machine inconel to make the stage 9 to 14 compressor blades in the RR AE2100 engines as fitted to the C130J on 30 odd year old fadal cnc mills.
I’m not a machinist but this is like watching Rembrandt describing a masterpiece step by step as he creates it. Cool. Love to watch.
I was for 5 years but it wasn’t working financially for me working at a restaurant was paying me more
Great display of what these SYIL machines are capable of! Super impressed. Looking forward to seeing more projects on these machines!
I would want to see a print and QC report on tolerance but I’m pretty impressed with the little machine that could
Coming soon, stay tuned
I want to see Titan take a field trip to the Army's Watervliet Arsenal, Watervliet, NY, where all the cannon barrels used by the US and all nations allied with the US are made. That shop makes 35-foot-long barrels for the M109A6 howitzer, and a cannon barrel MUST be laser-straight if you expect to hit anything with the weapon.
That would be cool!
We make Monel in our foundery and I machine the shit on equipment from the 1950s. All petrochem, blue origin and all that like you said. Crazy stuff.
The graphics are so awesome. Hats off to your editors!
Monel! The Stainless Steel of the first half of the 20th Century.. found naturally in Canada on the rim of a gigantic meteor crater. Nickle+Copper.. Oil and water... what a fascinating alloy. AND HEAVY
In Sudbury?
The surface finish is amazing!!
These machines were so awesome to see run! The power the SYIL has is amazing! Small but Mighty!!!
Just like you, Chris!
I like how Kennametal brings value to your business and in turn you bring value to their business by promoting the quality of their product.
@@willyharris4199 I know what a sponsorship is but not all sponsors provide quality.
Guys main income comes from youtube.....
Inconel and cobalt chrome are some of the hardest materials I've machined. Tool steel like A2&D2,cpm3v and cpm9v when i was in a die shop. Before and after heat treat. Sometimes the die didn't stamp out correct and i had to remove thirty thou here or there. Proper speeds and feeds are most critical on the hard materials. Tool selection,proper coatings important too. We use mostly SGS carbide. Harvey and micro tool carbides are good. The cheap hogmills off Amazon work pretty good too. For the price they're amazing. Accusize is the name I think. They will surprise you.
Definitely send like a plenty capable machine. Doing something it wasn't meant to, and still coming out like a champ.
It's not just the space industry. We use Monel in the food packaging industry.
That cut sounds good, very good at higher feed rate.
Had to machine K monel several times in the 90s. The shop i worked in was cheap when it came to buying the best tooling that was available then. Needless to say i was glad to see the last of that material
this was nice to watch. Im not machinist,I studied for mechanical engineer but i worked as machinist for 6 months in Končar...greetings from Croatia
What a machine! Awesome demonstration on what these SYIL machines can do
I'm interesting in seeing the 5-axis version of the X7 or even the U5 in action
Me to. 5 axis please!
The first U5 is being shipped next month in. Chicago, we will hopefully have our hands on one mid summer. From what I have seen, at the casting level, it’s gorgeous!
Please post video!@@kgranno
Monel K500 is a material we use at my work, I work for Lonestar fasteners Europe (American based, but for the European sector).. We use a good amount of "up there" materials Inconel 625 718 and 725.. Monel and K500.. Astalloy and waspalloy (or how it's spelt it's a rare sight) and tbh even the guy with 30yrs won't touch them if he can get away it..
Im 36 years old and a manual machinist on ward 3db and 7D lathes. We make specialty stuff for oil, petrochemical, gas, hydro power and turbines. It doesn't faze me that much of a material, once you've dialed in the speeds and hand pressure, I won't run it on auto feed on my machine the speeds are too much. I use carbide and carbide tip drills along with boring tools with high end strength tips and go with a steady hand pressure and absolutely drown the sucker in coolant, running 800rpm trying not to soak myself with off spray 😂
Good to see some hardcore material being ran, what you guys got planned next I wonder.. I'll be watching
Only have experience on a band saw cutting monel, 3 inch slugs were a 45 minute cut if you wanted it to cut straight.
I was about to pickup a used haas vf2 for my first machine but these have definitely caught my eye.
Will customer service be there (in the US) in 10 years though... thats the question...
@@peterfitzpatrick7032 with Titan becoming a distributor, SYIL is going to blow up into a big machine tool company!
Your gonna have way better support, service and spare parts availability if you go with Haas because they have local offices in most major metropolitan areas.
@@funwitharobotthat's true but part of the reason factory support is so good with Haas is because it has to be. They lock down stuff in the control that you don't have access to without paying a tech $250 an hour to come out and fix it for you. Not a knock on Haas but a lot of guys just starting out aren't looking to deal with the cost of having to outsource all of their maintenance activities. If you're a bigger shop and too busy to spend the time doing it yourself then yeah it makes sense to farm that out.
We used to do inconell 600 claded with steel. I know the pain. Lol, I wrote a macro with a button cutter to substantially increase feeds and reduce run times on 12 foot bars.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! The harmonics of the machine sounded great, the tooling held up, the part looks like jewelry. Chef's kiss 👌
Great ViDEO TITAN!
Pretty freaking awesome! 😎
That surface finish came out looking nice!
Nice looking machine. Im currently nearly finished with my aprenticeship and when i have the money i would probably buy this machine.
Great video man
I like that you mentioned about listening to the cut. It tells more than any salesman of a cutter. On what's going on in the machine.
Not just the sound, you get used to the feel of the vibration pretty quick too. I've machined plenty where the sound isn't quite right but the vibration is perfect
I would love to see more syile content want to get in the industry
Thanks Titan, this certainly is an impressive demonstration of this Machines capabilities.
Of course with your Master of Skills has alot to do with it.👍👍
The Harvy3 is impressive.
I always enjoy your videos.
Thanks for sharing.
But I'm looking at the load bar on the screen when I can and it looks really good all in the green!
I remember working with Hastaloy(Nastyloy) yrs ago, don't remember the grade. How does it compare with what you have here ?
ja frezowałem Hardox extreame, robiłem otwory fi 83 w hardoxie extreme. teraz juz pracowałem ze wszystkimi materiałami nawet ze szkłem
Great video 👍
I got a 6"/.25"/1.25". Made a Alaskan kitchen knife in san mai with monell 5000 as the cutting edge
what's the key player in the Monel K500 alloy cocktail as compared to the other common alloys
Beautiful
Hmm are there shrink fits available for that size of toolholder? Is that sk30?
Outch. Awesome guys. Keep up. The informational Vids. 🗿🤫
seeing all the chips there, the metal is so compressed the chips expand like spring steel.
Is there a thru spindle coolant option available?
Amazing video. Fantastic sales demo. He’s gonna sell some iron
Nice video !!!
I can't wait to get mine!
how long waiting time from order?
You guys gotta get your hands on some 5 flute helical solutions high performance chamfer tools. They are the real deal. 5 flutes top to bottom tipped off or sharp and they tolerance their tip diameters way tighter than the industry standard, so there is very little adjusting needed to do from tool to tool. I know you run Kennametal because of the brand deal, but seriously in this one niche they've got the pants beat off kennametal.
Nice video. BUT. I got all hyped up by Titan's videos, full depth of cut etc etc. On our BT30 machine (other well known brand) I machined a whole run of engineering steel in a period of a month. And surprise surprise, the taper bellowed out, and machine needed a new spindle! It sounded good, it cut well, parts came out good, was using new sharp high performance carbide cutters, plenty of higher concentration coolant etc etc. I was told to go back to manufacturers cutting tables...
These guys do treat machines as almost disposables. It's a decent strategy to succeed though, because it means you can potentially have higher throughput than your competitors.
Take a look at the tool at 7:39 during the change. That spindle is 100% trashed already. Brown with the fretting infection.
@@zachbrown7272 That's because they are for them. They're demo machines on loan, not owned.
J'ai 20 ans d'usinage a mon compteur et tout ce que je vois dans leur vidéos c'est : une bande de gros nounours casseur de machines , les vitesses de coupes ne sont pas respectées ni adapté à la machine , les porte-à-faux sont monstrueux, la profondeur de passe est juste immense pour la fraise et la machine utilisé, même le maintien du brut est ridicule...heureusement que kennametal donne des valeurs a renseigner dans mastercam . S'ils avaient du programmer a la main en code G et déduire les paramètres de coupe par eux même , ils auraient cassé une autre machine ...
@@LumaLabs a little bit of surface rust on a tool holder probably from sitting around in their shop for a while doesn't mean that the spindle is trashed.
U UNBELIEVABLE
Impressive!
5:05 who does program like that? Or can a Syil control don't read g02 g03 lines?
Taking it back to USA one machine at a time! Thanks Titan.
I've been turning some copper nickel (monel 400 I think)
Horrible stuff but get the right speeds and feeds and it runs silent
Love to heard Titan’s thoughts as he walks us through his program………explaining feeds and speeds, end mills, and drills. This guy is amazing!
Looks good, ship it!🔥❤️
How many, 3 or 4?
I never thought much of this stuff. Try Aermet 340(hardened) and come back
What do you guys do with the chips? Clean them and have them recast or send them off for someone else?
Any info on the SYIL L2 lathe? I would love to get on a waiting list.
Could you show off the machine's speed cutting 6061 aluminum
How do you dispose of the "chips"? Is it just written off as waste, or can it be recycled?
Can be tossed in the trash. But most shops have big chip bins that get emptied at scrap yards, I could be wrong but I believe you get money for it just like regular scrap metal. Maybe a bit less if the chips are from different materials.
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How does this material compare to hastelloy? I used to work in a shop that ran mostly stainless but also monel and hastelloy, I'm not sure what grade either of them were, but the hastelloy was significantly harder on the tooling. We made mostly hose barb fittings/couplings/valves for pure chlorine applications.
Hastelloy has molybdenum and Monel,is nickel copper. Both are nasty but the high nickel content makes Monel harder to machine and is more expensive
Duplex 2205 is pretty fun to cut. (Sarcasm)
Have you heard of Vanadis 4 Extra superclean? I've macnined that material after hardening and it's hardness is 58-64 Hrc, where Monel K500 is 28-40 Rc.
Wow men , those machines are Amazing , Lucky dog😊😅😮
I told Keith to park an X7 next to a new Super Mini mill and see how they compare lol. Would be interesting. Obviously the Haas control is a major pro but inevitably guys that own these machines are going to start finishing the development on the Syntec side and make more of a polished control package. Really excited to see content on the X9.
Hi Titan, I'm not a machinist but have you ever tried machining heavy alloy tungsten? If so how do you compare it to Monel K50?
I would be just as excited as Titan IF I owned one of these machines... IF I could afford one of these machines...... IF I made and sold parts using this machine and IF I just had my own parking spot here at the complex............ NICE work Titan !👍👍👍
When it did those quick z axis moments with the drill there where a clapping sound. I assume that was the go pro that made that sound ? Just asking to make 100% sure
When machining various nickel alloys, it was always an exercise in adaption and disaster prevention.
Bro i machined some cpm 10v heat treated to 64 rockwell C. Nothing will eat tools like this stuff it's the highest wear resistant tool steel out there. Makes your monel look like butter.
Monel is tuff stuff i've machined alot of it
Hey Titans... Have you tried SolidCAM iMachining? If yes, How do you guys compare it with MasterCAM. Would like to see a comparison video of Machining Titanium with both packages
Been waiting on this video. Wasn’t let down. Hopefully my products take off soon so I can afford one of those. Really looking at the lathes they got too. Could have a pretty decent start up shop for a hundred grand.
Same.
Impressive.
Are u using clear water for cooling?
Is Monel and Inconel coolant type sensitive? I've always been beyond enamored by high level machining.
Nothing really changes when working with these materials, other than your tools more often.
What’s tougher to machine PURE TUNGSTEN or MONEL K500 ?
Was the part .0002 tolerance? Excellent footage!
Boommmm😂
God Bless the Titans!
Awesome stuff! Been working with copper a lot lately.. Going to recycle all those $$$$ chips?
would love to be able to apprentice with y'all now that you are local to DFW!
LETS GOOO 💪🏼
I just machined some poppet valves from Monel K500 for SpaceX on my Swiss (I know, it sucked).
I’d been under the impression that K500 was more machinable than Inconel 718 which I’m making hex bolts out of now.
Like trying to machine industrial grade taffy. The part being cut looks like a pump core, if it's made out of this stuff that's gonna be mighty heavy duty. 😮
Question, is Monel K500 the same as Alloy 500?
Mill works easy, I make shafts out of the crap, not easy keeping runout under control on long 10 ft. shafts where most every dia. tolerance is +0/-.0005 with a 16 finish. I use a Daewoo Puma 400 CNC
Monel is used in valves by the navy also. What about stellite I was told only drill it with a disintegrator
Normal conpanied Mill with +surface than Mill some 0,05mm
Worked in the oil industry for many years. I've seen many of what we call "Monel collars". 30ft long by 9" diameter with a 3" hole all the way through and fluted on the outside. You know they were hard because they always came out of the hole with very little wear and the area where the tongs bite was never chewed up like it was on normal drill pipe.
Wonder how much it costs to machine those big dogs?
Do You have videos about Cryogenic machining?? This idea looks curiously
Very nice ❤️❤️👍✌️
Hard iron hard metals and the skilled Machinist. That machinist is rare to find.
I noticed that you talk a lot about Aerospace parts. I worked for a company that main material was beryllium and albmet we wore all the necessary safety equipment. But I thought it might be interesting for people to understand the materials used in aerospace.
We have an AerospaceAcademy.com
It’s a work in progress.
Thanks
I don't envy you. Be is awful and horrible to machine, and likes to break for little to no reason at all, and without warning, not to mention the cost of the stuff. 😮