Bosch vs. Miele Dishwashers - Ratings / Reviews / Prices
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If you are looking for the best dishwasher, then you are probably considering Miele and Bosch. Both are considered the best for several reasons.
But which is better, Miele or Bosch?
That really depends on a variety of factors.
In this video, you will learn about features, problems and reliability of both Miele and Bosch dishwashers based on real service calls.
In the end you will know which dishwasher is right for you.
First both are great brands. They both set the standard for better dishwashers. There will be availability problems with both brands into 2022, so You should consider both in all the different handle styles in your dishwasher search.
For Bosch, the advantages are better quietness and drying at lower prices. You also have the best drying with CrystalDry a a better price than Miele.
Miele has the best wash system, racking with excellent drying and for this year better reliability. Y
ou also have some interesting usable features in the Miele dishwasher like the Auto Dos 20 load dispenser at higher prices, which Bosch does not.
So, it really depends on the features you are considering along with your budget, but both Miele and Bosch are good choices.
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:31 Similarities
1:20 Problems
2:08 Sound Level
2:57 Washing
3:47 Cycles
4:09 Drying
5:21 Racking
5:57 Reliability
6:45 Which Should You Buy?
I've said it once and I will say it again. You always have the video I need right when I need it. Thank you💜💜💜
Thank you.....
This is so great to see. Thank you!
We have had Bosch washer, dryer, oven, combo fridge and freezer, and a dishwasher for 18 years. The washer and dryer both broke last year after 17 years within a couple of weeks. The washer had a heating element exchanged once due to wrong use. This year the dishwasher broke after 18 years without service calls. The oven and fridge+freezer is still going no service.
I never would consider a Bosch! Miele's spare part availability is unmatched. Once I had a 30 year old Miele Dishwasher. On moving I broke the door latch and they sent it to me within a day. Try that wit any other brand.
Built by engineers as opposed to accountants.
Bought 4 Miele kitchen appliances two years ago. Steam oven has had two issues and the six burner cook top also had two issues. The dishwasher gets the most use and has been flawless. I run the Miele conditioner ever 60 loads. Best dishwasher ever……..
Are they major issues? I'm planning to get myself a miele steamoven and cooktop.
@@QJHKI the Steam Oven is one of the very best kitchen appliances I ever used. My Wife recently got her dream kitchen and a microwave was not in the plans. While I complained about it, I lost the discussion. I have come to realize a steam oven if far superior to the best microwave. Now if you are reheating, yes it take three minutes longer but the food is never ever altered in any way like texture and taste. The first issue was it stopped making steam. Turns out it needed to be reset most likely due to scale. The steam generator was replaced and the great tech said to descale everything two months instead of when the oven tells you to. May have been fine with another descale but he replaced it anyway. The second issue was during the descale operation, the oven lost it’s programming for some unexplained reason and would not pump out the water from the oven cavity. The tech reprogrammed the oven through an optical port on the front panel. Fast and easy. Now none of this cost me any cash but……best advise I can give is if water Is connected to the appliance, get the extended warranty. Yes pricey but five years with no unexpected repair cost is always nice. As measure, the tech said a new steam generator is 600-800 USD and a brain for our big Master Chief Wall Oven is 1,100 USD. The dishwasher is so far better than any I ever owned or saw in action. FYI
Just found this excellent resource. Thank you for producing this material.
Thank you for watching
Great video. Thank you.
It may be made by Bosch (not 100% sure) but my Thermador dishwasher is really quiet, cleans well, dries beautifully and has been good for me for close to five years now. Also has a built-in water softener that eliminates my hard water issues and produces crystal clear glassware. Great unit.
You are correct...Thermador is made by Bosch
Thanks again Steve for the intuitive video. Keep them coming.
Will do!
Miele is THE best!
We have a Bosch with Crystal Dry which we didn’t understand. We feel we must leave the door closed for a long time for dishes to dry. It takes a long time to wash, way more than 60 minutes, but maybe we’ve selected something incorrectly. It is QUIET! 40db. So much so that it has a Red Light that shines on the floor indicating it is running. That has taken getting used to. Our home is 45db when quiet. We don’t hear the dishwasher, but can notice the water hitting dishes occasionally. We have Miele washer and dryer that we like, but would likely replace with simpler set should they fail. We just needed a replacement dishwasher and heard Bosch was good. May have inadvertently bought a great one. Will consider Miele in future if we ever need another.
Have owned top of the line in both and Miele wins hands down. So much so that I almost can’t wait until the rest of my Bosch appliances break as I’ll be a Miele customer from here on out.
Agree! Tried too many Bosch machines and now I don’t have buy new ones constantly when Miele just seems to work!
@@Sherukka haha so true had a Bosch washing machine and it screwed up in a week completely locked up brought a Miele wwr 870 w1 auto dose had one stability issues still worked sent a technician out and ended up replacing it no issues love the wwr860 wps washing machine amazing all round and works amazing with twin dos.
I think a lot of this comes down to how people use the dishwashers. Even cheap stuff can last if it doesn't get clogged up with excessive soap or hard water. I recently bought a condo and just replaced the 16-year-old developer special plastic-tubbed $450 Frigidaire (still repairable -- the circulator pump, a very easy repair on that machine, appeared to be about to go, and then the main control switch on the front started to fail, at which point I decided it was time) with a Bosch 800-series, as Miele was going to be out of stock locally for months. The Bosch seems far better thought out than the Frigidaire on drying, and a tad better on wash too, but I hope the parts availability will be as easy.
You have been a great resource as we decide on appliances for a new home. It has made me REALLY wish we could buy from Yale, but alas you do not serve Oklahoma and there really isn't a comparable company out here. Oh well, knowledge is power and we've certainly gained plenty watching these videos so we should be alright.
Thank you, David.....I am sure there are good companies out your way.
Thanks for all your videos :)
I don't usually comment on vids but thanks for this professional, informative review.
Glad you like them!
I’m learning a lot about appliances and saving money. Thank you!
Happy to help!
There’s Whirlpool near the top of the reliability ratings again. I’d buy a Miele before a Bosch as I love my Miele vacuum and I’ve dealt with Bosch customer service concerning a previous vacuum cleaner, a washing machine and a faulty set of spark plugs in a car and choose not to speak with Bosch customer service again. They believe that they’re better than they are and like the Pope they’re infallible. They don’t make good on their faulty products. They blame the customer.
Miele has delivered friendly service. Whirlpool fixed the leaking grommet that they redesigned in the ice maker in my refrigerator.
Theses things count.
We had Bosch & Miele: Miele lasts longer. Miele has also machines for professional use with integration in the kitchen.
Great content. I think one more item to consider is the cost of spare parts and labor in case something brakes. If I am not mistaken, the Miele brand is not so keen on allowing independent technicians to service their hardware and thus the end user has to pay the ridiculous fees of their in-house specialists.
They are moving away from that model...at least in our market
Rubbish. I've been repairing miele stuff with full access for over 20 years.
I think that’s more for installation. They want it done correctly.
@@lennycook206 Rubbish back at ya. I own all Miele appliances (Oven, stove top, washer, drier and dishwasher). Have done my own repairs/maintenance for over 20 years. Miele got rid of their experienced parts/repair phone support staff (here in the states) and now have generic phone support that has no idea about spare parts or what parts you need for your specific dishwasher model. They push onsite visits from their expensive repair technicians (who don't do onsite service of Miele appliances in my area, not that I'd want to pay their high prices).
I disagree about Miele. Our dishwasher cost €1,500 (a little more in dollars) 6 years ago when it broke down. Technician informed us that we should have been at 3,500 washes according to their average annual use promise. We had only reached 2,400 .. he said I should have gotten another 14 years or 7,000 washes according to their calculations. Then he told me that we needed a new pump/motor for €650! I tried to contact customer service but they are awful ... don't want to help, say they didn't get message, request details again and customer service manager will not call me back. My washing machine, dryer, fridge freezer and vacuum cleaner are all Miele ... I will never buy this brand again. Bad things happen but the way a big brand assists and fixes the problem demonstrates their professionalism and excellence ... Miele have failed dramatically on this occasion. 😔
My Bosch died. Then my Maytag died, hope my Miele lasts.
Actually useful. Thank you!
You're welcome!
As Domestic Appliance Engineer in the UK for the last 25 years (didn't watch the video, just posting my opinion from experience) miele dishwasher in 2021 is far superior to any Bosch. If you'd asked me in the late 90s early 00s, I'd have thought you crazy to buy the Miele over the Bosch of the time. But the rubbish they've been churning out via China, Turkey, Spain is absolute tripe. Using the brand name to hoodwink people into buying a very cheaply made piece of junk. Personally I think the Miele dishwasher is too expensive for normal folk and not worth the expense, so please take my advice and if in the UK consider the John Lewis own stuff. Sure its not as good as the Miele but for less than half price, it's a very solid machine (rebadged Electrolux (who own Aeg and ZANUSSI amongst others)
I would however recommend the cheapest Miele washing machine or in recent times, EBAC washers. Anyway all the best and please don't buy Bosch stuff, you really may as well buy Beko (as they assemble most of the bosch stuff these days) obviously I do appreciate the Bosch range for keeping me busy... 😅
Most Bosch dishwashers in the US come out of a plant in North Carolina that seems to have been quite a success for them. I wonder if their other plants fall short.
@@dblissmn it's the way of the world these days for successful brands to "farm out" their manufacturing to cheaper companies or to sell low level stuff that's rebadge under licence. In Europe the last 10 years, the quality of all machines has gone down hill massively. I service machines that are 15+years old and were built like tanks yet write off current stuff that is woefully expensive due to a recognised badge, yet is only good for the recycling plant after only a couple of years. If you want a real Bosch in Europe you need to buy a Gaggenua, Siemens or possibly a Neff (all brands owned by Bosch) as they still build those with that hallowed German quality, the difference is chalk and cheese. There is a backlash against this cheap (though not cheap by price) nasty stuff and I'm sure in the next few years the quality will come back due to demand. We have a "right to repair" movement that is a direct reaction to the trash we've been sold in recent times.
The Bosch dishwashers are actually fine IMO. When it comes to washing machines though... Miele only!
Before watching this video, I tried to buy Bosch but they were out of stock. Got LG instead since it is the only available brand that fits cabinet with nice features. Very happy now to see it has best reliability. So far it cleans and dries as expected. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for sharing!
Miele still have issues with buzzing solenoids. I just returned my new dishwasher from the G7000 series because of this issue. The dealer replaced it with a new one but it has the same issue and it's even worse. Also the new machine came with scratches inside on the stainless steel
We haven't seen it......yet
Recently bought a Bosch. Does a great job BUT it has an odor problem that will not go away no matter how or what I try. After cleaning, if the dishwasher isn't run for a couple of days the odor returns. This seems to be a common complaint.
Yes i have that problem too with my Bosch dishwasher, plates smell a bit like dog's breath. The sanitize option seems to help but it doesn't eliminate the problem.
Excellent review
Glad you liked it!
If you run sanitize cycle everyday, do the racks bust open the coating due to thermal expansion of the steel inside the coating? I had to replace so many of the racks on my LG because the steel inside would bust open the coating, and starts to rust.
It's possible. Prolonged high heat exposure could potentially put some manufacturers racks at risk. The only brand I can tell you that most likely would not happen with any confidence is Miele.
Bought a Miele based on ur videos, thx
Thank me in 15-20 years
My Avanti dishwasher has air circulation and door opening. It tells me when and I do it, I got a little fan to blow on the open dishwasher over night for perfect drying. Less than $500 for an 18” apartment size unit.
I hope you can help. Purchased a Bosch shsm63w55n 1 mo ago [best available]. Initially, there was an installation issue due to a pipe at 45 degree angle at bottom of cabinet. Each time used, experience multiple flashing red light issues, last week due to water in adjacent cabinet, not more serious gratefully due to safety feature. Can't help but think that the solid back of Bosch unit vs pipe is the problem. Would appreciate recommendations on substitute unit if true. Thanks so much in advance.
Evan, as long as the unit clears the pipe then it shouldn't interfere with the units operation. There are still some units out there with an "open bottom." meaning the back 1/3 of the machine is missing to allow for a taller pipe etc. Many of those have gone away as they tend to be on the lower end of the price points. For these issues, we usually have good luck with KitchenAid. Hopefully that helps!
5:56 Any idea if the service rate is based in the United States or globally? I ask because, at least where the Anglosphere is concerned, I know Miele likes to test market in the UK and New Zealand before they bring their stuff to Australia and North America.
GREAT question. I would say it depends. More service problems are related to the delivery and installation.
We incentivize our guys based on NPS, so I would like to think we have fewer problems.
I had a miele and was just like a patient in the ICU. Engineers were out every couple months hooking up a laptop to repair. finally gave up and shit canned it. Best thing I ever did
Would be nice to see reviews or comparisons with gagganau.
We can put that on the list!
so do you suggest that LG is better that Bosch?
also I bought Bosch 6 serie and it has this bad smell even its new and I just bought it before 3 days ?
Better is a tough word because really it's what is better for you. Bosch is a European dishwasher that cleans and dries well and is very quiet. LG is an American dishwasher that cleans well and hits some great price points so there is a lot of value there. The smell you are referring to is due to the Eco product they use for their insulation. It does have an odor that if you have a high sensitivity to it it can take a little while to subside.
Would you consider disclosing their Market share? I know here in Australia Makita out sell Milwaukee 5-1 but around the same number of units come back for repair
These are our two most popular dishwasher brands. We sell a ton of both manufacturers.
Both companies share would be great if they had products to supply
Why can’t you get dishwasher detergents for hard water? Surely there’s a market for it and in the end it makes sense. It might be a different price but the aggravation of buying a new machine is something most of us could do without.
My assumption is because they haven't figured it out yet. The water would still end up ruining the machine. But they do sell machines now with water softeners (salt dispensers) that do help maintain the integrity of the machine.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
How about Bosch 18” dishwashers? Similar quality? Thanks
18 inch is the same..just with less models
Yes the 18-inch units do not vary with construction. The feature pack is different but the quality is the same.
@@YaleAppliance1 thanks
Great video. But how does asko compare?
Asko makes a fine dishwasher but lacks a feature pack that allows them to compete with Bosch and Miele who are the most popular dishwasher brands on the market.
@@YaleAppliance1 thanks.
Good question..it’s been under 3 different owners..so it hasn’t been around much lately.
Lively the brand with its graphite rack and stainless arms
We have an Asko and it cleans and dry's well. Racks are great and cleaning the filter on the bottom is very easy. We bought it in 2014, but I have had to fix it multiple times. There is a small rubber tube that breaks every 3ish years. Now the pump has stopped working and I am ready to move on. That's how I found this video!
Repair rates are one thing- but overall life is another. I wish you had touched on the fact that a Bosch's average lifespan is 13-16 years whereas Miele's will be 20+ years.
Based on what? Not to be arguments, but that’s clever marketing..lifespan cannot be determined...
@@shank296 this is true. what can be determined from the get go is the huge price of Miele products. which is of course, they should last more longer, but I do agree that cant be determined
Why is Vince McMahon ranking kitchen appliances?
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Getting tough in the WWE...
I’ve never seen in my life a dishwasher without stainless steal tube. What else could be?
Also what the hell is wrong with those prices? Who does spend over 500€ on a dish washer?
The alternative would be plastic. Stainless is superior for a number of reasons. Models with plastic tubs will be cheaper.
500€ should be the bare minimum for a good dish washer IMO. Considering it is an essential kitchen appliance that you rely on everyday, 1000+€ is more than justified.
Much more justified than a smartphone for this price if you ask me but that's just my opinion.
Splitting hairs when it comes down to it between these two
Here's a real service call for you. Miele took six weeks to repair my dishwasher (G222SCI). Never again!
Right now, 6 weeks may be good for a repair given the shortage of parts
Doesn't matter because you can't but either one of them. Trust me. I have tried for the past 6 months
You probably won’t until May
We built our dream home and thought that Miele was the best. How wrong was I. Our fully integrated dishwasher stopped working and Miele wanted almost 1k to fix it. Even though the machine is out of warranty, I expect that the machine should last a lot longer than it has. The machine is still like new and hardly used.
We purchased the brand because of the reputation and quality for lasting 20 years plus tested which is obviously false advertising and a bunch of baloney. You can’t get any deals on new machines as Miele has monopolised the retailers and you can only get them to fix the machines at absorbent prices. Very unhappy with their product and attitude.
I read this exact comment almost on every video about dishwashers... how singular...
It is clear that this is a "book" review. This reviewer hasn't "field tested" Bosch vs. Miela. Its like getting a wine recommendation from a store clerk who hasn't tasted the wine.
Except for one thing: This wine taster is the largest service agent for both companies in New England by far.
We judge happiness by service levels and reviews. Boschs' CrystalDry and Mieles AutoDos have more positive reviews than any other appliance.....
So yes, there is an assumption that a dishwasher washes dishes until the levels of service and specific complaints prove otherwise.
You only know the quality of a dishwasher after 15 years and beyond. The Quality of Miele is legendary here in Germany.
You only know the quality when you're a repair mechanic
Why don't you commit to what is the best machine.
Because it depends on the wants/needs of each individual consumer. You have to factor those things in on a personal level to determine the best option... for you.
ASKO is better!
Loved my old Asko
I'm not going to watch this video because the title is so stupid... There is Miele, then there is nothing and then there is the rest of the world and I'm not talking about price, but about quality and features. End of story!
Just Realise that all Washers use the same Water! A Pricey Machine Washes nearly as Good as the Most Expensive.