Gordon Murray - TST Podcast
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- Gordon Murray designed the McLaren F1 as well as a number of successful Formula 1 cars. Today he is the head of Gordon Murray Automotive which builds supercars of a very special caliber. Light. Focused. Naturally-aspirated. Manual gearbox. Many RPMs.
Today we're talking about their most recently debuted model, the T.33 Spyder, a breezy piece of carbon beauty powered by a 615HP V12 that redlines at 10,250RPM. We talk about the design process; what inspired the shape; why the windshield is different from every other supercar; why the car doesn't need side intakes; Gordon's dislike of buttresses; his guilty pleasure car; the type of car he's NEVER owned; and something he collects that you wouldn't expect.
Recorded April 18, 2023
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0:00 Preview
0:38 Sponsors
2:30 Show contents
3:09 Thank you Gordon!
3:25 T50 and T33
4:09 Tall guys in small cars
6:40 Center driving position
9:10 Valkyrie AMR Pro
10:30 T33 Spider exterior design
14:39 1960s aerodynamics
15:10 T33 exterior design continued
20:00 Inlets and outlets in bodywork
22:45 NASCAR Sponsor
24:00 Luggage compartments
26:18 NA vs turbo exterior design
26:50 T33 Spider sound!
27:42 Roofpanel storage and luggage
28:30 Last thing to approve on T50?
30:40 Challenges with convertibles
34:07 Gordon helping customers spec their cars
35:10 The buyers for T50 and T33
38:05 Color and spec choices
40:40 Who is buying T50
42:25 No touchscreens or column stalks
43:19 Steering wheel design
46:02 Patreon
46:24 Carbon fiber wheels
48:10 Gordon on the C8 Corvette design
50:24 Gordon’s favorite show car to drive fast
52:34 Does Gordon have luxury cars?
53:51 Scariest racecar ever
56:04 Relationship with Colin Chapman
58:10 Hardest track to setup the car
1:02:30 Overtaking in F1 compared to the past
1:03:55 Unable to incorporate into T50
1:04:23 Who gets the first T50
1:05:34 Gordon’s take on a $100k car
1:08:18 Taurus SHO and boats
1:11:40 Small manufacturer rules
1:12:28 Guilty pleasure car to drive
1:14:49 Greatest piece of industrial design
1:17:10 Gordon can stop collecting and designing
1:19:40 Missed opportunities to make manuals
1:20:37 Koenigsegg’s synthetic manual
1:22:30 What impresses Gordon right now
1:24:40 Can Matt drive a T50 or T33?
1:25:30 Difficulty with high revving engines
1:27:15 Gordon’s next visit stateside
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Any and all Gordon TST content is an instant classic.
Excited to listen!
This perfectly sums up what I was going to write as well. The man is a treasure trove!
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What a treat. Gordon is such a breath of fresh air in the world of overstyled hypercars and 3,000 lb.+ curb weights.
Not only hypercars. This trend towards heavy SUVs and bigger and bigger cars, fatter and fatter people, while also trying to reduce emissions is hypocritical. The amount of energy that goes into manufacturing is way more, the fuel economy sucks, there's less interior and storage space though the car gets bigger, ride quality suffers, touchscreens suck while driving and none of them are even as good as a phone or tab, and you have to be a strongman just to change one of those 22 inch wheels. I have a Honda City from 2008 that weighs 1100 kg and is just 1695 mm wide and it is a proper common man's driver's car. And other than regular maintenance it is as reliable as a fine watch.
True that. t33 looks like Spyker fornicated with Lotus Elan. As long as it drives well i will allow it ;)
Few are 3000lbs.
It's a groovy car
I could listen to Gordan Murray talk, for hours.
A catch-up with Gordon every 6 months or so on the show would be a real treat (schedules permitted). By far one of my favorite guests. Great job fella's.
Gordon is a living legend. Thanks for documenting these conversations with him.
I could listen to Gordan Murray talk, for hours
@@dannygray-mi3xn When you listen closely then you realize he is a fan of Motorsport and not really that knowledgeable. It would be cool if TST could get actual designers of cars that Gordon takes credit for. Someone like Steve Nichols.
@@hagestad Yeh, Steve Nichols was responsible for the fan car too. GTF!
@@hagestad so what? Steve Nichols was responsible for the crap 87 season Mcclaren. And?
@@hagestad OMG the whole Steve Nichols thing is so overblown just because Jay Em wanted views.... and they leave out HUGE chunks of the story for his narrative, if anything MOST of Steves work was ACTUALLY John Barnards who did the bulk of the design work for Mclaren at the time and then they kept his basic design through till the 90s, When Barnard was poached Steve took over briefly but he never did anything innovative then Gordon came in and further improved the design for the new Honda engine though he has given Barnard credit. Gordon has a TON of firsts to his name and to say he doesn't know anything about Motorsport when he ran the Brabham team as lead designer, engineer and team manager is F#$%ing insane. Also SO MANY from that era reference Murray when discussing f1 while I've never even heard them bringing Steve up. I'm Sorry. Get over it.
Matt this conversation is next level! I love how this time, it wasn't you interviewing GM, it was you shooting the shit with GM about an absolute masterpiece. You already got his vibe from the last interview so you were really prepared to just enter his world with this one and it shows. I was not just captivated, I'm mesmerized by every GM interview I can find on youtube, but being mesmerized and then being dropkicked by your intelligent and contextual sense of humour, watching this talk was a very enjoyable experience as a fan of yours and a petrolhead. So thank you for bringing him on. It looks like you really enjoyed that as a fan as much as we did as a fan of both of you.
I drive the fastest thing I could afford that was available during covid, a 2020 si coupe, but in the process of acquiring a 2018 M2 CS
Great comment. Totally agree. I've watched most of the GM interviews and this interview is the best i've seen - relaxed but insightful and fantastic banter between the 2 of them. I'm from the UK and this interview just popped up on my youtube feed - really pleased it did.
I was just in UK for the first time in July with my wife. Cardiff, Wales. We were smitten and want to now come rent a place for a season to see how we feel about moving there.
@@sinelanguageMusicProducer The UK has its problems (as i guess all places do) but its generally a good place to live. Cardiff is fantastic but just be prepared for UK weather (i.e. rain!).
My son is desperate to holiday in America so hopefully we will in the next few years.
0:00 Preview
0:38 Sponsors
2:30 Show contents
3:09 Thank you Gordon!
3:25 T50 and T33
4:09 Tall guys in small cars
6:40 Center driving position
9:10 Valkyrie AMR Pro
10:30 T33 Spider exterior design
14:39 1960s aerodynamics
15:10 T33 exterior design continued
20:00 Inlets and outlets in bodywork
22:45 NASCAR Sponsor
24:00 Luggage compartments
26:18 NA vs turbo exterior design
26:50 T33 Spider sound!
27:42 Roofpanel storage and luggage
28:30 Last thing to approve on T50?
30:40 Challenges with convertibles
34:07 Gordon helping customers spec their cars
35:10 The buyers for T50 and T33
38:05 Color and spec choices
40:40 Who is buying T50
42:25 No touchscreens or column stalks
43:19 Steering wheel design
46:02 Patreon
46:24 Carbon fiber wheels
48:10 Gordon on the C8 Corvette design
50:24 Gordon’s favorite show car to drive fast
52:34 Does Gordon have luxury cars?
53:51 Scariest racecar ever
56:04 Relationship with Colin Chapman
58:10 Hardest track to setup the car
1:02:30 Overtaking in F1 compared to the past
1:03:55 Unable to incorporate into T50
1:04:23 Who gets the first T50
1:05:34 Gordon’s take on a $100k car
1:08:18 Taurus SHO and boats
1:11:40 Small manufacturer rules
1:12:28 Guilty pleasure car to drive
1:14:49 Greatest piece of industrial design
1:17:10 Gordon can stop collecting and designing
1:19:40 Missed opportunities to make manuals
1:20:37 Koenigsegg’s synthetic manual
1:22:30 What impresses Gordon right now
1:24:40 Can Matt drive a T50 or T33?
1:25:30 Difficulty with high revving engines
1:27:15 Gordon’s next visit stateside
God bless you sir
You need a life
Thanks!
Gordon Murray is my favorite car designer. I love his mindset and car philosophy when it comes to light weight vehicles.
the man is a true genius, and the t50 in person was a true spectacle to the eyes and ears
Nah he is general manager. He is not the one making the design regardless of what he claims.
@@hagestad how the cars looks is his own vision, nothing else like it
Ears def not the eyes
Such an amazing listen thank you Gordon also great interviewing Matt and Zach
The T.33 is such a beautiful car.
Its a great Z4 competitor based on looks. Should be 60k no more.
@@mattyp3119 ok whatever kid
I love these episodes with Gordon. While there's quite a lot of content of him, it's rare that you see him in a relaxed and casual feeling setting. I feel that's how he is in this and the previous episode he guested on TST. And to me, that always translates to authenticity. Keep it up Matt and Zack! Long time fan here from the Philippines! 🇵🇭
Huge cred to Matt for engaging on an intellectual level that Professor Murray clearly finds enjoyable and thought provoking.
My favorite guest. 👍
imagine if Gordon worked closely with, say, Toyota on a new MR-2, to create a true and pure driver's car that's actually attainable by more than 500 people in the world. I think that'd be neat.
This man is an absolute living legend. Very cool to get him on TST again!
Listening to Gordon murry is something i love so much. I could sit and talk and listen to him for days without end.
Brilliant - I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a TST review of the T50 or T33.
You guys asked brilliant questions and you can see it in Gordan's face. Great work again!
The last conversation with Gordon was amazing. This one was even better. Three true car enthusiasts who get it. Gordon seems to truly appreciate and enjoy the great questions and comments. The one question I want to ask him is what is coming next after the T33. He's built this beautiful factory, so there has to be more brilliant cars in his mind.
Great interview once again with my favourite car designer. Gordon is such a treasure.
Gordon is beyond cool. He's on his own level. Also some great questions from the viewers. Certainly better than the, what new Porsche should I buy, flex questions
@hagestad before you comment. Don't
@@bentucker2301 right? he keeps spamming every comment lmao
Another GM interview?! Hell yeah guys!
Such a gentleman. To think my favorite cars of all time are made be a genuine legend and not some committee and a bunch of accountants just make them even better.
Great to have him back so soon! Hopefully again before another car is released!
Just like Henry Ford and theModel T, if they don’t like the 6000 standard colors, we offer paint to sample.
Such a treat. Thanks for this interview with Mr Murray. Well done Matt and Zack.
Fascinating guest for a captivating episode ! Thanks guys, that was a treat for every petrolhead.
My second favorite interview you've done (behind the one with your dad). Excellent job!
My mind just got blown by the fact Gordon Murray owns Renault Kangoos
The T33 is groovy.
Best new car on the market in quite sometime.
The 296 is a distant second.
Gordon is just one of those geniuses you hope lives forever because their wisdom coupled with a passion for both innovation and what’s come before are a priceless gift to humanity.
Oh hell yeah. Best podcast with one of the best car designers.
What a dude Gordon Murray is, just a great conversation with possibly the greatest engineer in modern times, thanks to everyone involved, Rj in Oz
Love to see Koenigsegg, Rimac and Gordon Murry Automotive ger together. And make a Supercar together
There is nothing of value Koenigsegg and Rimac can provide to Gordon as his entire philosophy is completely different to everyone else in the automotive landscape
@@Shadowboost i just felt they are experts in different fields. Bringing them together to produce one car, would be special.
Man I could listen to Gordon all day, great interview.
thank you all, excellent show!
I looked at that one test run on Top Gear where the T50 unleashed that V12. It went from redline in 4th to 5th (228 kmph to 290 kmph - 142 mph to 180 mph) in 4.5 sec. It's faster than a 765LT, and that's with 2 people, and high downforce mode, no vmax boost. This will be on another planet from the F1, and the T33 will not be far behind. These cars will be hypercar quick. And the T50s engine apparently makes 770 HP something and with the boost from the ISG it has better power to weight than a Koenigsegg One:1 on 95 Octane gas. It will be a monster.
Great interview 🎉
I liked the sense of humor too.
Zack and Matt you did a great job.
I love how this is the only place with Gordon Murray laughing at silly dark jokes
That interview flew by.
Magnificent!
The way Gordon Murray builds cars the is ZERO chance Jay Leno didn't buy one when he mentioned one being built for someone near by West Side C
Lol at Zack’s question. I liked the spirit of the question, if true about the coupe-convertible buy rate overlap.
Thanks for the podcast team TST. It is much appreciated. ❤️🙏
Mr. Murray is a LEGEND!!!!
the yamaha CP2, CP3, and CP4 motorcycle engines of today are also absolutely stunning works of art.
Very cute how they were two giggly fanboys with their idol.
So down to earth yet completely out-there human ever.
The gold standard of automotive philosophy
I heard the T50 at Monterey Historics 2022. it was amazing!
Thanks guys. One of your best.
Excited to hear this one. Was anticipating it when I heard he was going to be on again.
The level of knowledge and intelligence this man posesses is truly astounding. I'm so thankful that he's a purist born from 60's racing cars. As much as I can appreciate the technical prowess of Christian Von K. his cars don't appeal to me. GMA vehicles are truly in a category of their own, I'd argue the only thing to even come close would be Lotus (albeit at a power deficiency).
An hour and a half with Gordan 😮 oh I need a moment to get ready for this 😅
T50/33= timeless design. Can someone from GMA please give BMW a lecture on how to make elegant cars in 2023...
Yeah sure, compare a multi million dollar car with mass produced vehicles from a mainstream brand.
🎧 One for the lunch break 🎧
Awesome podcast guys!
What a shame that no major OEM has GMA do up a sports car for them...a "handling by GMA" badge is a missed opportunity.
I'd also love to know if GMA would consider slicing that V12 in half and making a sub $1,000,000 (maybe closer to $500,000) mid engined sports car, still in limited numbers but with the same level of care and attention. It could be smaller, even lighter, and would only further spread the love for GMA cars. Though he did say that the V12 was the engine choice he wanted, so I guess an inline six would be a compromise. But...I can guarantee the demand would be there.
First T50 has to be Leno. I think Leno said previously that he will buy every car Gordon Murray designs
Absolutely loved this episode. Thank you for what you do
The legend!
Would put money on the first T50 customer being Jay Leno. Will already have a space next to his F1.
Great show! I could listen to Gordon all day long
Well done guys, excellent questions asked by Matt!
Round Two Hell Yeah!!!
Wow. Best interview i've seen with GM. I'm from UK so, whilst i really admire GM, I wasn't aware of the channel. I've never seen GM so relaxed - brilliant! I've loved the F1 since it was first unveiled and i love the GM ethos - if i had the money, the T50 and T33 Spyder (along with F1) would be the cars i desire the most. Within my budget, i have a S2 Elise - which i feel is closest in my budget range to the GM ethos.
I here Gordon Murray invented the wheel as we know it!!!!!
Gordon Murray is Enzo Ferrari to nerds like me
Its good to see zack watches jonny smith's channel
Happy anniversary Matt.
You managed to get him again
Bravo
Awesome interviewee!
Great show Matt!
Great questions! Great content! So fun!
Nothing like someone who has an answer to any question about his cars, nothing was done just because or by accident at this point in his career
Really nice to hear that Gordon like Vettes
Hey Matt, one day you liked one of my twitter posts that was an onboard video of a new gen nsx, as well as a new gen ford gt, which I mentioned magic steering for the NSX and the light weight wheels on the ford gt, I've turned my passion into this channel and those cars will come up soon!!
My petrolheads friends use to make fun of my flowered,hawaian type of shirts.Since they watched this two videos with Mr Murray,not anymore!😂😂😂
Would be nice if Gordon Murray designed an affordable supercar for one of the big manufacturers. Something simple and light with no computers.
1:17:34 Wonder what Abarth he thinks of. There is an Abarth 205 GT Berlinetta which is stunning. (and small...)
I enjoyed that a lot!
Thats how you know you've made it!
Just adding this detail slash question. Renault Kangoo is 2 or 3 doors. But never 4?
2 front doors, one side door and 1 or 2 rear doors
Oooo gotta catch this one
Hour and a half of Gordon talking?? Sign me the FUCK up!
I loved this
Awesome.
hes back!
"They come out with these stories of what these holes and slats do and it's all rubbish"
Porsche's GT Dept has entered the chat.
Soggy... I love that as a description for crappy stalks
there's a couple old car-boats in my little WI town! No idea who made those but they're classic old convertibles that don't look too wildly out of place on the road, but they can just drive into the water and troll around with the propeller sticking out the back! lemme tell ya, seeing a cute little roaster halfway submerged, headlights right above the water line, from the vantage point of a waterski, is a very odd feeling.
I have found GM to be a little pompous about his own achievements in other interviews, but this was him at his more modest best and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole of Matt and Zacks interview and was actually a bit sad when it ended.
Thankfully Gordon did NOT make a Spyder version of the MIGHTY McLaren F1 🤘🤘
"something you want to wash" 🤣
Would be interested to know the GMA T33 maintenance schedule for the first 12year/100,000 miles, to determine real life usability vs driving perfection.
He mentioned there is only one car that he wants for his collection and doesn't have. And you didn't ask him what it was!
Iain Tyrrell, Gordon Murray... Harry Metcalfe must be coming up.
I hope those how buy Gordon's cars are actually different from usual car collector how just parks the car and doesn't drive it. I actually hope it becomes competition how has most miles on their t50 and that cars which have story to tell become most valuable ones.
Let's see if Jay Leno is the first T50 owner
Can you get Adrian Newey?
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