The Salvage-o-Matics might NOT be the deal you think they are
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- 3 of the highest rated items in terms of convenience are the Copper-Fed, Runecrafter's, and Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matics. The Copper-fed will help you declutter your inventory and all 3 will make it so you'll never have to worry about buying a Salvage kit ever again.
But if we look at them from a pure cost point of view, they might not be all that they're hyped up to be. So buyer beware!
I personally have all 3 and am glad I do have them. But I often see people asking the question whether it's "worth" buying them. Each person's case will be different when it comes to convenience. But when it comes to cost...
00:00 Intro
00:13 What do they do?
01:17 Salvage Rates
02:35 Rule of Thumb
03:32 Salvaging Upgrades
04:33 Worth it?
06:17 Should YOU buy them?
07:16 Outro
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A small trick to save you money : don't salvage trinket (ring, amulet) obtained from green unidentified gear with the runecrafter. They don't have an upgrade amd won't yield anything. Use the copper-fed instead and save 27 copper for each
Great point!
Not explicitly mentioned in the video, but the "convenience" also includes saving bag space (who only carries one kit?) and not needing to go to a vendor to buy the kits every time you need more. Which is even more of a detour once you get any of the unlimited use logging/mining/harvesting tools. IMHO, the copper for blue and green items and the silver for the yellow and better items are must haves.
The runecrafter one is much less necessary, get it once you have more gold than things to spend it on.
The copper and silver ones were the first 2 items I added to my shared inventory slots and haven't left since then.
I'd recommend anyone to at the very least get one, copper or silver. It's a no brainer. Bag space is quite valuable.
This :D
I've had the copper and silver fed feeders since they came out. I thought for sure I would have at least reached the minimum salvages to pay for the feeders BUT I've only 729 salvages under Agent of Entropy, lol. I have gone back and forth with salvaging and selling due to what other's have told me was the "right thing to do". I'm not blaming them I'm just stating that I'm wishy-washy when it comes to this stuff so it's nice to have you make a video about it all. Either way, I too purchased mine for convenience. Good thing too or I might feel like I got scammed ;p
I personally bought mine for convenience as well, so I'm not too fussed about ever reaching a breakeven point. But the amount of salvaged required is indeed an enormous amount, I doubt many players will reach.
At the time of this comment, I have completed the Agent of Entropy achievement 8,345 times. This equates to 1,669,000 items salvaged. I love your videos (and your accent)!
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind next time when wondering if my accent is shining through too much 😅
That is an impressive amount of items salvaged. Easily puts you in the top 1% of accounts crawled by gw2efficiency.
I'm using only Copper-Fed for blue/green items and silver-fed on rares.
I bought Runecrafter just for relize, it was waste of gems. 🤣
Biggest reason why I'm not using Runecrafter for green items is, you are paying 30 coppers per use, but in 99,9% of cases you get only one or two Lucent motes _(one cost 8 coppers)_ as the "bonus" and in-game they are consider as "garbage".
About value of tools - their main purpose in-game is as the quality of life change, not profit.
Its same case as indestructible gathering tools, bag slots etc.
Personally, I'm so glad to have them _(bought for money)_ , if you put them into shared slots, you save for yourself huge amount of time and sanity, when you are playing mutliple characters and you are salvaging hundreds or thousends of items.
Fully agree! I felt it was important to include the profit/cost value point of view as well though, as I've been seeing a lot of questions about that particular aspect as well. But it's hard to put a price on Quality of Life!
I think it would have been an interesting point to compare Runecrafters + Copper vs only Copper. To my understanding salvaging green gear on copper vs rune loses about 70 copper per item. And doing some quick math it starts paying back after ~30k green gear. For newer players there might be better things to invest the same 500 gems into some other convenience items like gathering tools, bank slots etc. first.
I like that idea! Thanks! Gonna take it into consideration for a future video.
Looking forward to the other video on the Endless Upgrade Extractor!
Same! :)
Me too :D
Always good to have a piece like this come around to make you take a look at your habits.
I use a Copper-fed on Blues, a Runecrafters on Greens, Mystic Salvage Kits on Yellows and Black Lion on Exotics. This came about when I was trying my hardest to accumulate Runes and Symbols and I never stopped even when I realised what a fools errand it was to try to stock up on such by salvaging. When the prices for Greens is high then I do tend to sell them on the TP if I have a lot in my bags ... because I can't be bothered with the whole salvaging process with limited bag space :lazy:
Thanks! I do try to contemplate on my (past) purchases every now and then and figured I might as well start sharing them.
I believe your process is the most on point when you take bag space into consideration, if all salvage kits were 250 slots, I think I'd have to make a vastly different video.
I'm at 2,332 for agent of entropy. I've had copper and rune crafter for the longest since i don't mind processing my gear. I have been using the mystic salvage kits this whole time but with the changes to log in rewards the stones became more unreliable to get so I ended up buying the silverfed just recently
Yeah, I think long term the Mystic Salvage Kit will get harder and harder to craft, unless they introduce the stones one way or another again.
I've known that the min max way to salvage greens is to open them, then ONE BY ONE put them into the endless upgrade extractor to remove the upgrades and use the copper fed/basic kit to salvage the upgrade, but there's no fuckin way I'm going to do that tedious micromanagement. Runecrafter is fine by me.
My agent of entropy completion is 2020. However I did quit this game numerous times (longest was from sometime around dragonfall release till somewhere after the EoD launch trailer - I missed the entirety of IBS)
I tried for a while, but it is indeed soulcrushing to process greens optimally. I'm cool with using a Runecrafter and being less optimal.
I think my longest break was during the largest part of IBS as well, mainly due to a lack of time.
One must wonder if for time spent on extracting upgrades you would be better playing game and probably making more profit that way? :D
Agent of Entropy 5934 times. When I was doing serious farming I was running 7+ stacks, mix of greens and blues, a day. I have not done that in a few years and before I was doing that I took a few years off the game.
Edit forgot to check my alt account 1795 there. Obviously is this not cost effective, but it was convenience effective.
That is mad impressive!
Top-notch vid as always :)
Thank you!
Regrettably I've got previous deals as to the naming of most of my ranger pets. I do have the black widow spider open, as I don't actually have that one just yet.
I need 1 more point for the Black Widow, I might need to make it my mission to get you one after :P
Pretty sure you misread the fast.farming research at the end there.. You compared profit from salvaging with the various kits and selling results on TP, against the "Current Price on TP". But the "Current Price on TP" does not factor in the 15% listing fee. You should have compared against "Sell on TP (15% taxes)". With that in mind you will make more per gear to identify and salvage vs selling unid.
I did, thanks!
1441times agent of entropy. Bought all three black lion salvages just to have them in shared space and not having to bother with buying salvage kits. But yea, it is more of a quality of life than anything else
Discord: discord.gg/JGdQ6Hjny9
[fast] farming: fast.farming-community.eu/salvaging/unid-gear
Wiki: wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Salvage_kit
Exactly 4:43 I mostly got the permanent salvage tools for QoL. I hated the amount of inventory space I was wasting on stacks of the vendor purchased ones which held back my salvage work. I had 30 stacks of various unidentified gear and could not even imagine trying to work through that with the vendor purchased ones. I saw someone say to just sell the unidentified gear without identifying it but I've always thought that was a loss of gold.
The problem with using the agent of entropy achieve is it now also counts the times you used a research kit. I wish they would have made a new one just for researching.
For me, personally, the QoL trumps everything, and I'll always subscribe to that notion. But I do understand others not valuing it the same as I do and finding these expensive.
In certain cases, it could be better to sell unids, but it's heavily player dependent. I am a big fan of identifying and salvaging myself because it doesn't involve the TP, and thus no TP taxes.
Yep totally agree!!@@phandrel
This is unrelated to the video at hand but I wanted to say I love your solo T5 T6 material farms series. I’m wondering if there’s a way to farm all of those materials in LWS4 maps to double dip on volatile magic and karma drops? The dust farm at the Jahai Garrison just feels so much better than farming elsewhere imo.
Thanks! I plan on continuing the series, got quite a few more spots lined up, and a few spots that aren't specifically for materials, but lodestones. I'll look more into S4 as well :) was already on the list, but will gladly bump it up. For some reason S4 is full of dust, but other farms are often more spread out.
@@phandrel I'd love to see what you find, so far all I've found is dust, dust, and more dust lol. Kourna had some claws/blood farms in the north but the enemies are far too spread out and far too few to be profitable imo.
Looking forward to the Lodestones guide, they're one of my main sources of liquid gold atm but replenishing them always takes forever.
TBH I simply use the ones from the Mystic Forge crafted, 250 stack and I am super fine with it. The only one worth buying tome was the cooper one, for standard stuff, but for yellow or other stuff I usually do it with the Mystic
I like that combo, little can top the Copper-fed + Mystic Salvage Kit.
You could even decide to sell green unids if you don't want to bother with those and make an extra buck.
That's what I've been doing for years. Copper for blue/green, Mystic for yellow, Black Lion for exotic.
3034 times but if I'm not mistaking salvaging food also count in that (and maybe the salvage for research notes)
I looked up the statistics in GW2Efficiency, which puts you at the top .5% of all players on the site!
it's good to be in the top for something ^^
Agent of Entrophy 485 times completed on my account. I am a casual player.
That's still an impressive 121,250 salvages!
bro I remember back in the day I bought the fancy new Zodiac light skin set for 800 gems on day 1 and I think I spent just under 70g on it. Looking at price histories to confirm 70g was 10USD worth in gems in 2014. Silly how the exchange rates have gone.
I had to double-check as well when looking at the long-term graphs. Although I remember how truly rate it was to see a legendary back then and how common they've become now.
I've done Agent of Entropy 468 times.
Do you recommend getting the silver salvage, since the ectoplasm prices are rising?
I love mine for convenience, but I would argue that silver-fed is a lower priority than runecrafter's or copper-fed.
Runecrafter's is unique in that it has no other equivalent. Copper-fed purely has convenience due to how many blue unids you tend to accumulate.
The reason I would put silver-fed behind those is because of the Mystic Salvage Kits, which do the same and have 250 charges.
But if you run out of mystic stones or never want to worry about having a kit around, silver-fed is still one of the better QoL tools this game has on offer.
@@phandrel thx, I'm still trying to figure out anything and everything, and your videos genuinely helping me a lot
168 times. I thought I salvages a lot but nvm 😂. Still going to get the copper one tho.
I, uh, salvaged a lot lately. Copper-fed is the one I use the most and personally see the most value in for a lot of players as well!
1'290 times agent of entropy, man I'd better start salvaging harder to get to 15 million :D
Haha 😄 1,290 is still an impressive number, though! That's more than 300k items salvaged.
nice video im atm at 13k repeats of the achievment
Thanks! And 13k is insane :O, probably makes you one of the Top Salvagers.
i do processing but im not even near as far as some ppl are on gw2efficiency ^^ my rank in there is only 253 or something with around 2,6 million salvages xD @@phandrel
Imo the silver fed i really recommend it since the new pve legendary armor needs a tons of ectos
True!
About The silver Fed, what If you salvage your rares and then salvage The ectos for The dust? Maybe this way The profit is better enough then selling your rare unidentified
Right now you would come out slightly ahead, but it's best you monitor the prices with ectos hovering around 24-26s. It might dip below at some points, but you're right, right now that would be a decent option.
If you want to monitor the best option, you can check it here btw: fast.farming-community.eu/salvaging/salvageables/glob-of-ectoplasm
1759 times :P
I think if you consider the time spent going to buy the salvage kits, then the figure to make it profitable is way less than 5 million salvages. 25 items at 3 seconds per kit obtained turns into a further 12 copper discount per salvage at minimum (current gold/hr farm rates)
Oh yeah, there's a lot of arguments for the salvage-o-matics as well. I personally bought them for convenience and have never regretted it. I felt it was important to try and include all sides of the argument, although there's always valuable input in the comments of things that I didn't think about 😅
you fail to see them for what they are, convenience not for you to make money out of, that's just extra
they should create one that has a chance to salvage downgrades xd
Gambl-o-matic: 10% base chance to receive a rarer item and 25% to salvage the upgrade. As well as a 10% chance to delete the item and 25% chance of a second item getting deleted (only if the first procs). The gear rarity increases these percentages.
Next pet I unlock is yours
Can't stand it when people don't name their pets.
Sux we didn't get any new pets
Awesome! We got a Juvenile Aether Hunter in Amnytas that's pretty recent, I think there's also new ones that were hinted before SotO release, but not implemented yet. So there's still hope :)
@@phandrel great will have to look into that and name it appropriately