The Torture of Pathological Narcissism | DIANA DIAMOND

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  • čas přidán 13. 09. 2020
  • Being a narcissist is not always fun. Diana Diamond explains how the myth of Narcissus depicts the experience of narcissism: tremendous pain caused by self-encapsulation, self-preoccupation, isolation, rigidity, etc.
    Those with narcissistic pathology don't have high rates of suicide, but they have higher rates of lethal suicide than those with BPD, according to one Columbia study.
    We interviewed Diana Diamond about narcissism and its prevalence in our society today, all the way from healthy traits to Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
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    Diana Diamond is an expert clinician who makes use of Transference-Focused Psychotherapy in her practice treating NPD and BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder).
    Check out our interviews of Otto Kernberg and Frank Yeomans for lots more related material: Kernberg: • Otto Kernberg
    Yeomans: • Frank Yeomans
    For more information about BORDERLINE, the feature-length documentary we made about BPD, please visit: borderlinethefilm.com
    Our archive of videos on BPD and NPD is expanding - be sure to subscribe to our channel here: / borderlinernotes

Komentáře • 180

  • @susantomlinson4268
    @susantomlinson4268 Před 3 lety +61

    Grandiosty is a stable structure when it collapses extreme risk of suicide.

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo Před 2 lety

      Agreed.

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo Před 2 lety +1

      @@RealityBitesSandwiches But also can revert, if only to an extent?

    • @susantomlinson4268
      @susantomlinson4268 Před 2 lety

      @@RealityBitesSandwiches It is what Diana states in the video.

    • @TaymaShine
      @TaymaShine Před 2 lety +13

      @@RealityBitesSandwiches I’ve known narcissists to be grandiose and have that collapse. It is possible. Like the original poster stated, it leads to extreme risk of suicide, attempted suicide, and in some cases completed suicide. It goes back and forth in some narcissists where they feel worthless and suicidal to feeling on top of the world, entitled, and the best person to ever exist. It’s a protection mechanism. Without it, is extreme pain because nothing makes sense. It’s like an addiction almost. Withdrawal can cause severe pain that suicide feels like a better idea. Terrible illness.

    • @thelasttrumpet2915
      @thelasttrumpet2915 Před 2 lety +9

      @@TaymaShine When the false self collapses, God could step in a build something REAL - if the narcissist just asks!

  • @lrow5416
    @lrow5416 Před 2 lety +64

    Anyone who challenges the grandiosity or presents a snippet of reality is shunned or abused. In such cases, the narcissist’s inner torture is externalized and extremely damaging to those in their wake. It’s the cost of keeping the illusion intact.

    • @peculiarlittleman5303
      @peculiarlittleman5303 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Ok. I won't deliver my payload. Thanks for the comment. I was going to give some reality therapy.

    • @PassionateFlower
      @PassionateFlower Před 11 měsíci +13

      They leave so much bloodshed and carnage in their wake, all in the name of staying in fantasy land. Pathetic.

    • @carissajae2410
      @carissajae2410 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Thank you for validating my experience. I had no idea anything about narcissism, but I knew my ex was extremely arrogant and also offensive to those around him in the 10 months I was in his life. He also did not accept others opinions, only his own (gross). One day someone he respected called him arrogant. He came home and asked me 'why'. As this is something I was also personally struggling with in his behaviour, I took the risk of describing some clear examples. He erupted, gaslit me, changed the problem, said 'this issue lies with you', 'if this is how you feel, than you have never respected me' and much more. After this conversation I was blocked on everything and told I was nothing but toxic in his life and basically deserved my pain for disrespecting him. We have not spoken since and it has taken me months to come out of the fog/pain and I definitely internalised all the things he said. I also now have abandonment issues from the abrupt ending with no resolution, where prior we were happy. I am much stronger now and feel like I have processed it all but holy fuck, what a shit show him and that experience was for me. I don't know how he rationalised that response to me, but I watched him rationalise his behaviour in front of my eyes.

  • @edgreen8140
    @edgreen8140 Před 2 lety +28

    Extreme rejection sensativity real or imagined.
    Callapsed narcissist at risk for suicide. Reality is what intrudes on their fantasy life.

  • @edgreen8140
    @edgreen8140 Před 2 lety +69

    Paranoia is the cornerstone of narcissism, with frequent dissociations.

    • @lukeoo7
      @lukeoo7 Před 2 lety +4

      Yes,, i viewed the same behavior with x girlfriend , i survived !!!!!!!

    • @guyreid8692
      @guyreid8692 Před rokem +15

      I think it’s more envy, insecurity and projection of their evil deeds onto you, that you experienced, rather than paranoia.

    • @STAR-LIGHT.1111
      @STAR-LIGHT.1111 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Shizoid narcissist also excist

    • @di_decaire
      @di_decaire Před 9 měsíci

      Paranoia comes afterwards.@@guyreid8692

    • @hussienmohammed2914
      @hussienmohammed2914 Před 7 měsíci

      I believe it is envy thats the cornerstone of narcissism. Envy, unlike hate, is to devalue and demolish that which you love/like/reapect. Next to envy is bride(the incapacity to depend which is blindly substituted with an inflated sense of entitlement). Paranoia develops as an outcome of the symptoms I believe

  • @viniciusvyller9458
    @viniciusvyller9458 Před 3 lety +73

    I fell in love with a person, but in that person i only saw superiority, i only saw what i wanted to be, what i should've been and what i felt entitled to be. I saw in someone my illusion of grandiosity and fell in love with it like Narcisus, the person was just a material vehicle to that ideal. And it's heartbreaking when you find out who that material vehicle is in reality and that not your Illusion of Grandiosity nor the real person will ever love you back, it trly takes you to suicidal places. The narcissistical world is a soulcrushingly lonely place where love and affection are nowhere to be found, i'm really glad my friends taught me rationality so i would actually want to treat this painful condition and glad too that i found Dr. Diamond videos, it truly is relieving to find that there are people devoted to treat this behavior and offer empathy to people like me.

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo Před 2 lety +5

      Same.

    • @TaymaShine
      @TaymaShine Před 2 lety +2

      How are you doing now?

    • @viniciusvyller9458
      @viniciusvyller9458 Před 2 lety +14

      @@TaymaShine Better, i think, going to therapy and practicing self knowledge and self compassion, my mindset is very different now and i'm on the beggining of long road to authenticity and autonomy. It's still the beggining though, and its difficult sometimes, but its definately better than where i was before :)

    • @TaymaShine
      @TaymaShine Před 2 lety +11

      @@viniciusvyller9458 I’m so glad you’re doing better. I don’t know if you were ever diagnosed but I hope you don’t listen to those that say you can’t get better because it all depends on if you want to change and put in the work and apologize to the people you hurt (if you have) and really mean it.

    • @viniciusvyller9458
      @viniciusvyller9458 Před 2 lety +11

      @@TaymaShine I don't think i ever hurt someone more than i hurt myself, but yeah, that's what i'm learning now, how to forgive myself.

  • @edgreen8140
    @edgreen8140 Před rokem +26

    God I would love to be trained by her. Such talent and patience.

  • @emmamonroe3311
    @emmamonroe3311 Před měsícem +2

    I dated a covert narcissistic sociopath and after an accident he went into a narcissistic injury and he acted like he was going to do it, but looking at it now, he just wanted me to feel sorry for him. It was the oddest thing I have ever seen.

  • @Clevelandsteamer324
    @Clevelandsteamer324 Před 11 měsíci +17

    Narcissists see empathy and compassion as a liability. Empathy is weakness to them. They understand it only cognitively.

    • @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye
      @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Před 3 měsíci +1

      Says another expert

    • @slimshany4602
      @slimshany4602 Před 14 dny

      I do not agree. I know 3 narcissists (my mother and 2 ex friends) and they are 100% highly sensitive on the inside. I know, because I am too and recognise their inner SPS world. Nevertheless, their coping overrules their ability to be compassionate many times. Less I guess with people who are strangers or not close to them. It is very sad for some on the NPD spectrum, because they have to deal with the intolerable feelings that come with the convinction that they are worthless as the human (child inside) they are, in combination with zero selfreflection of their atrocious behaviour. Hellish.
      I do get what your saying about empathy and compassion being a liability. But my idea is actually they think of it being weak, yet they see the danger /strength of this softer person- because thryvare the only ones who put up with them, so they control them and in the back of their head they fear abandonement and thus the deep dark loneliness.

  • @dotta4763
    @dotta4763 Před 3 měsíci +2

    There is another passage later in that novel which says
    “He sat up, and lifting his arms Called to the forest: 'You trees, Was there ever a love As cruel as mine is to me?””
    Which is very insightful and it sums up pretty well the pain for being cursed with not being ever able to experience reciprocate love

  • @nightowl6260
    @nightowl6260 Před 3 lety +40

    Pathologic narcissists may not feel pain. The purpose of the rigid and impenetrable defensive structure of superiority is to defend against feeling emptiness and pain. Massive control of others is a hallmark behavior to prevent any confrontations to the wall of grandiosity. Rage, not pain is the affect experienced.

    • @nexus6755
      @nexus6755 Před 3 lety +28

      Narcissists do experience pain and go into bouts of depression the disorder is about covering up a small self esteem with grandiosity not psychopathy

    • @katkatkatkat463
      @katkatkatkat463 Před 3 lety +11

      That’s an interesting theory but I’d need to see some evidence to believe that. Just because they have grandiosity as a defence mechanism to shield them from pain doesn’t mean they don’t some feel pain on some level - in fact, if they do feel pain it could encourage them to double down on their defences, thus increasing grandiosity and fragility and making their suicide risk even higher.

    • @jelena7440
      @jelena7440 Před 2 lety +4

      @@user-pc2xn1iz8w yes a vulnerable narcissist, very difficult to handle with.

    • @jelena7440
      @jelena7440 Před 2 lety +6

      @@user-pc2xn1iz8w the thing is I don't even think they are sick, because they can control their behaviour in front of other people.

    • @luciamixon4156
      @luciamixon4156 Před 2 lety +7

      That could be because they still have some awareness their actions are wrong. They still revert back to their protective false self. They are borderline crazy in some cases. Which is why it's so hard to detect and understand. Codependents are victims.

  • @PassionateFlower
    @PassionateFlower Před 11 měsíci +9

    I see the value in positive thinking and optimism but I stay the hell away from anyone who demands "Positive Vibes Only"...I know what that means. "Don't disturb my Happy Land with your valid thoughts, feelings, and boundaries or I will crush you!"

    • @di_decaire
      @di_decaire Před 9 měsíci +2

      Oh right, always be pleasant and have fun a good time until their bad mood hits and then they deny it and gaslight you.

    • @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye
      @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Před 3 měsíci +1

      Your resentment, anger, pain whatever are yours.

    • @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye
      @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Před 2 měsíci

      @HailUniverse Was that after or before you chopped off her head? (Sorry about your micropenis)

    • @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye
      @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Před 2 měsíci

      @HailUniverse Did they find the head?

  • @belovedchild9812
    @belovedchild9812 Před 2 lety +15

    Realities that don’t fully affirm the grandiosity are rejected = discard.

    • @snowredsnow666
      @snowredsnow666 Před 3 dny

      I researched this, dont have NPD but I found myself not wanting to see people unless I felt ok so I could put on the mask of 'beeing okay' u know all happy fine mask 🫠

  • @martinanderko9893
    @martinanderko9893 Před 3 lety +53

    Many thanks for great work you are doing for NPD. Especialy for your compassion with us narcissists. I appriciate it a lot.

  • @allisonmccallum3598
    @allisonmccallum3598 Před rokem +18

    I’m more curious as to how many suicides are committed by ppl that were involved with the pathological narcissist - zero empathy

    • @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye
      @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Před 3 měsíci

      Resentment and revenge- seeking don't lead to suicide in general.

    • @ruthieclarke9125
      @ruthieclarke9125 Před 27 dny

      @@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Feeling like nothing but a pile of shite which the Narcissist inflincts on his or her person of wanting to harm absolutely can. It's the purpose of the Narcissist's life....to harm and belittle the shining lights.

  • @laboucher
    @laboucher Před 28 dny +2

    "realities that don't affirm their grandiosity are rejected"

  • @grayshus6706
    @grayshus6706 Před 3 lety +30

    Reaching out desperately for something beyond and only ever finding your own reflection. Horror!

  • @yiravarga
    @yiravarga Před 2 lety +32

    I am so glad I landed on this video soon enough! This helped me understand that even though I think my suicidal tendencies, and expression is gone, I might be at higher risk of lethal suicide than I was before. I am starting to see, that I need to take this condition more seriously.

    • @ruthieclarke9125
      @ruthieclarke9125 Před 27 dny

      Better you than innocent loving people.

    • @michaeleornelas4952
      @michaeleornelas4952 Před 18 dny

      You don’t know her nor her life. Narcissists are also in pain. She wants to change for the better. Don’t discourage and project your unresolved hurt from another narcissist you had to deal with.

  • @Retrosenescent
    @Retrosenescent Před rokem +12

    I want to see more research done on the overlap between ASD and NPD because there is so much overlap in the symptomology, especially in regards to black-and-white thinking and poor reality testing and delusional thinking. It seems like the ASD person, if they experience sufficient abuse and trauma in childhood, can easily be fast-tracked to a vulnerable narcissistic adulthood wherein they believe themselves to be chronically misunderstood and undervalued by others, grandiose views of themselves as being perfect and special and not needing to change for anyone - rather everyone else needs to change to accommodate them. Constant delusions that others are ganging up on them, bullying them, being mean to them, etc. when their attempts to control others and convince others of their superiority fail. Extreme disagreeableness and Pathological Demand Avoidance (renamed to Persistent Desire for Autonomy by the vulnerable narcissists themselves...)

  • @bluest1524
    @bluest1524 Před rokem +9

    I wish just one competent psychologist would write, then speak on the parallel, the corollary, the appalling correlation between malignant narcissism and law enforcement in the United States. More than any other the profession currently reflects this personality disorder. It attracts, protects and supports and enables malignant narcissists, and nothing would be more attractive to an abusive person.

    • @kuukuyankson2033
      @kuukuyankson2033 Před 4 měsíci

      I am not so sure it's only in the United States though as I have experienced the actions of some in the security industry in other countries and can concur that the profession attracts a lot of people with narcissistic tendencies. I can only guess power and control as alluring to these individuals.

    • @bluest1524
      @bluest1524 Před 4 měsíci

      Certainly those people are everywhere, but the profession might not support them nearly as much in a saner country, nor allow them to be so abusive. No doubt in some countries it's much the same though. @@kuukuyankson2033

    • @kimstrandberg9529
      @kimstrandberg9529 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Police, prison guards, surgeons, military- any occupation with a God-like complex will always attract Narcs. I read recently that the above are most likely professions for narcs as well, as teachers. For the same reason.

    • @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye
      @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@bluest1524 In other countries we mostly have people (and a few Americans depending on where).

    • @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye
      @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Před 3 měsíci

      @@kimstrandberg9529 And what do you do for a living?

  • @johnnycassell4338
    @johnnycassell4338 Před 3 lety +38

    I have been dying to hear more from Diana Diamond. Thank you!!

  • @MJ-om5go
    @MJ-om5go Před rokem +4

    Thank You again.

  • @luvwings
    @luvwings Před 3 lety +12

    My husband is a bully pathological narcissist with depression and some mania.

    • @mjremy2605
      @mjremy2605 Před měsícem

      My ex husband, now deceased, was a Malignant Narcissist with Bipolar disorder. A 25 yr nightmare. I feel your pain. Once I left him, he fell apart and started neglecting his health, basic hygiene, and creating drama for the kids. I did not have a husband, I had a 3rd child. I think your husband may have the same issues. You have to treat the Bipolar side with meds or it is hopeless. Best to leave him and enjoy the rest of your life. You cannot fix these people and they drown you. Mine became very dangerous when I wanted to leave him. He threatened to kill me multiple times, and there was DV, and so much more. The happiest day was when the divorce came through. Free at last. It was so liberating and a heady feeling never to have to walk on eggshells again.

  • @darthregulus
    @darthregulus Před 2 lety +22

    Religion can serve as grandiosity structure.

    • @tone3560
      @tone3560 Před rokem +5

      Anything can serve as a grandiosity structure with that logic...its called self-object merger

    • @danielepp3113
      @danielepp3113 Před měsícem

      Is there any greater grandiosity than believing You have a personal relationship with the creator? What a long fall that is.

    • @mjremy2605
      @mjremy2605 Před měsícem

      Insightful! This explains Chad Daybell's personal church and religion within the LDS framework. He is on trial for multiple murders. His 'religion' of zombies and other nonsense was an expression of his own grandiose Narcissism.

  • @user-xc2hv8yx3u
    @user-xc2hv8yx3u Před 10 měsíci +2

    i wish i could work with this doctor. i want to change and get out of this nightmare of an existence.

    • @di_decaire
      @di_decaire Před 9 měsíci +1

      I got out of some bad years by remembering what a hopeful kid i was for the future and from then on said to myself 'take some happiness for yourself every day no matter what is happening."

  • @calebmccool
    @calebmccool Před 3 lety +4

    Thanks so much for all the videos! It’s a great help, and I absolutely love the film

  • @ishootbishez6974
    @ishootbishez6974 Před 3 lety +11

    More of this content please!!!! Thank you.

  • @aliacampbell7227
    @aliacampbell7227 Před 3 lety +23

    Their internal tortured self is distracted by causing other people pain and suffering which they enjoy

    • @01straycat
      @01straycat Před 3 měsíci +1

      I sense it could also be that the torture starts of internal inflation that is focused on self, not the destruction that is being caused. The inflation is needed due to the emotional torture.
      Many of these comments have personal comments and explanations that are not clinical trauma informed understanding.
      No one that is not in psychotherapy, focuses on the "lethal suicidal " comment. A life that will never love back.

    • @aliacampbell7227
      @aliacampbell7227 Před 3 měsíci

      @@01straycatthe thing is when I was around someone like that I could pick up on their reactions and bad habits, things a therapist can not as they are constantly lying. I am only a medical student yet but I will soon finish. The main problem is what are you doing with a bunch of extremely destructive people with such strong defense mechanisms wanting to destroy everything and everyone even us health professionals, all healthy relationships and their kids? Society will be on the border of collapse soon. I believe they honestly should take some string medications like schizophrenics.

  • @EdHosking
    @EdHosking Před 9 měsíci +1

    The insecurities and pain around the ego fractures create the need for the sufferers to push the false self images (used to paper over the ego fractures) forward with extreme vigour.

  • @francochianale493
    @francochianale493 Před 10 dny +1

    I have an ex. She doesn´t want help. I don't wish her bad. I only wish me and my sons could ever recover from the damage inflicted over 30 years, or their entire life for that matter. We lost one of them to suicide. The others are divided, angry, confused. I see no way to offer them a view that they might perhaps consider, that won't cause them more pain. I lost 30 precious years to that monster. All I wish is I could somehow teach my young not to do the same.

  • @Star-dj1kw
    @Star-dj1kw Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent video 👍🏼

  • @therange4033
    @therange4033 Před rokem +1

    Thank you for this.

  • @mjremy2605
    @mjremy2605 Před měsícem +2

    What an intelligent series. Thank you for illuminating another facet of this subject. I lost my dearest cousin to suicide. She died of a broken heart. I believe she was a covert and vulnerable Narcissist.
    My own daughter was a grandiose Narcissist and died of cancer. I believe it was self inflicted with lack of sleep, excessive work and stress, and bad nutrition habits, probably some drug use earlier. It could have been prevented.
    My ex husband was a Malignant Narcissist and once he felt isolated in old age, he ran his health to the ground and self destructed.
    Generational trauma is a terrible thing. Thank you for shedding light on this topic. Being informed is being warned.

    • @therollingstone9701
      @therollingstone9701 Před 12 dny

      For some reason i don't trust that side of the story. Maybe they were just good people with some bad luck n experiences in life.
      Usually narcs live very long lives n destroy everyone's lives around without crashing down to the point of committing suicide. I've yet to see a narcissist commit suicide or destroy their health totally. Usually they're strong as horses n oultlive good people.

  • @sleeperno1215
    @sleeperno1215 Před měsícem +2

    I wonder how many people have been driven to suicide by a narcissist.

  • @jasmineeve4207
    @jasmineeve4207 Před rokem +2

    This is so sad and deep 🤔🥺😔

  • @heatherwhitehead3743
    @heatherwhitehead3743 Před 3 lety +10

    It's like our true life blood is being able to love another consciously as adults. Narrcisit are blocked from that maybe? I don't think the narrcisit I'm with loved anyone but his mother.

  • @gertrudeslany201
    @gertrudeslany201 Před rokem +7

    I am deeply concerned about the inherent fragility of people suffering from - perhaps the covert form of narcissism/low self-esteem. I have personal experience of such a person, have - for the time being - broken off, because I was literally told 'to go' - and then took the step to send a final and blunt email accepting the break.
    But am already sorry, because I know this person is suffering and deserves compassion and pity. There are multiple reasons behind this type of psyche. There is a familial history here - I have seen similar dramas played out in my mother's family with both a sister and a cousin. There could be developmental, environmental reasons - the kind of people they have interacted with - in this instance a deeply narcisstic person was her first partner . . maybe mixed styles of upbringing - casual in this instance - because i worked - but mostly happy - no physical punishment ever - and a busy but always involved and humorous father.
    I am at a total loss what to do - feel a parents job is - in the end - just to offer love and support, but when I do, get treated like a child or just generally incapable, when I do.
    I have no place in my life for the advice of clever psychoanalysts of 'imploding narcissists' or 'malignant narcissists' - I need some methodology how to integrate this very difficult person into my life 'until I die' - I have given birth to this person, after all.

  • @stelasenna9927
    @stelasenna9927 Před rokem +4

    Jesus bless anyone reading this comment.

  • @lisebehneeie6508
    @lisebehneeie6508 Před 2 lety +3

    Hey! I am seeking more information on how to heal after narcissistic abuse.

  • @alchemicalsoul78
    @alchemicalsoul78 Před 2 lety +2

    Dark Night of the Soul.

  • @seehumor2647
    @seehumor2647 Před 3 lety +4

    I appreciate the video - Narcissism is so destructive! I creatively portray narcissism in the last video on my channel w/ a funny skit also. I hope we inspire/inform people to avoid manifesting narcissism in their life! Just subscribed to your channel too - Keep up the meaningful content.

  • @Clevelandsteamer324
    @Clevelandsteamer324 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Read “power” by shahida arabi

  • @tmtb80
    @tmtb80 Před rokem +2

    Long Term Existential Solitary Confinement.

  • @CanadianBear47
    @CanadianBear47 Před 2 lety +4

    That's quite interesting 4chan has lots of narcissists ppl and there is a community of supporters of suicide ppl trying to get each other to do it.

  • @agnosticevolutionist3567
    @agnosticevolutionist3567 Před 9 měsíci

    I ended up as a schizoid brain structure rejecting the illusion of life ,at 4 months olds i struggled with separation individualisation [psychosis] i became self sufficient in my approach to the world and felt i never needed my mum ,in a form of rejection towards her ,i was a Sutle but determined child and placed cat and mouse games in my head and a kind of gaslighting technique where if i played poker face ,she would suspect .thus tricking the enemy she was.

  • @mohsinmoin-ur-rasheed6524

    We dont hear about their sucide its because No body, not even their closes relation ever knew about whats wrong with them. They arent exactly "lining up" for get themselves diagnosed (this is their whole game)
    .

  • @JessCyph
    @JessCyph Před rokem +3

    Question about narcissism for Dr. Diamond not necessarily related to this video: When the child prematurely internalizes a picture of the parent (who has disappointed him) in rapprochement, why does he internalize an ideal image? Why not internalize a disappointing image since the parent since the parent has, in fact, disappointed him?

    • @katieandnick4113
      @katieandnick4113 Před 4 měsíci +3

      It is incredibly risky for a child to see their mother objectively. In fact, the more dangerous the mother is, the more the child will repress their observations of her, which I guess makes sense. It’s a survival tactic, essentially. We, as a society, really don’t like to admit that nobody poses a greater risk to a child than their own mother. And honestly, our inability to see mothers as human beings rather than perfect gods, reinforces this defensive attitude in them. Because what’s worse than a mother who doesn’t love her child and who doesn’t put her child first all the time, no matter what? Society has no compassion for mothers, and so it is imperative to their survival that they are perceived as perfect by their children. If a mother feels like her child doesn’t see her as perfect, she becomes defensive and paranoid. If a child were to “snapshot” his mother negatively, he is at literal risk of being killed. There are all sorts of ways that a mother can kill her child that can look like an accident. There are also ways that she can torture her child if she feels threatened by them. After 10,000 years of oppression and subjugation, we really should not be surprised that women are as defensive as they are. They are probably most defensive with their children because they are stuck with them. You can’t break up with your kid if they’re telling you things they don’t like about you. Infanticide was socially sanctioned for most of human history, which really helped to relieve a lot of pressure on mothers. Now, I’m not implying that all mothers would kill or maim their children if their children criticized them. Children can tell very early if their mother is safe, in which case, they will see her more objectively. But in order for a mother to truly be safe, she needs very strong social supports, and she needs to not be always worried about how she will provide for her children. Such a mother is quite rare.

    • @01straycat
      @01straycat Před 3 měsíci

      The challenge is that children will already off the bat meet disappointment with needs not being met because a mother doesn't stay awake 24/7. It's more of who will the child feel the disappointment
      It's not to say disappointment from a parent won't happen. How does the care giver provide a feedback loop, follow up with their kids and apologize for a short response and say "let me give you more life skills"??? Who actually does that?
      Now if you begin to throw in ACES then the environment begins the self sustaining/inflating mentality of self because the accumulated misattunement and inattention has begun to take over the mental.
      Sometimes aunts and other family become the "care giver primary" that is who can save the child the most, even if another parent is off or a disability or diagnosis. Atleast 1 inttuned caregiver is vital.
      The disappointment becomes the distraction to truly love and love appropriately. That's just my thoughts, I have no educational back ground.

    • @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye
      @ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Před 3 měsíci

      @@katieandnick4113 As an NPD I'd be glad to share my thoughts with you. I find your comment very interesting. I think that things happen very early on. I can't relate to the need to see the mum as flawless, god-like. I believe that it is more about feeling contained. Te idea of being stuck with a child certainly applies to my mom. She was not ready. She was a stewardess, she bathed in life but somehow had not really built a personality. I have the image of a mermaid unexpectedly thrown ashore and having to grow legs while giving birth to me. From what I have observed later on or can recall, I can totally imagine her feel attacked by this baby that would keep her stuck, suck her vitality and hurt her nipple. My mum was happy outside the house, comfortable in small talk, at work. Her center was outside in public life. There was absolutely no malice in her, but no 'I' either.
      My mum mirrors to a fault. She is captive of the expression of her interlocutor until the other breaks a smile and sets her free. Until then she replicates the face of the other person, too much, long face, dramatic expression like a scary mask.
      She felt less than among other mums. She had no view of her own, never played a record at home or bought flowers. She was very disorganized, felt hopeless with houskeeping tasks. But she was good at planning holidays. My mum is really particular, sort of raw. No 'I'. I'm sure she felt guilty towards this baby though. I must have cried a lot. I didn't have the smiles for sure. Didn't manage to trigger them obviously. I rejected my husband for years, finally gathering that his unsmiley face as a request for something, some reassurance, I couldn't give him. I felt guilty.

  • @italogiardina8183
    @italogiardina8183 Před 3 lety +8

    Cultural ideology can be a push factor. Ideology can activate as forms of alienation towards a political community. The pull factor being an 'imagined community' as an ideal. Predictably empty referents fail to integrate personal identity within the dominant cultural paradigm of the time. The saving element may well be the illusion if and only if its sustainable.

    • @ShunyamNiketana
      @ShunyamNiketana Před 3 lety +1

      And it can serve as a cover, giving others the impression that the narcissist is concerned only with the greater good.

  • @ameliarbaldwin1402
    @ameliarbaldwin1402 Před 2 lety +1

    "he had chosen from all the faces. He was himself the tortorer. He began his torture."

  • @terriwhalen3618
    @terriwhalen3618 Před rokem +1

    Hi, I am new here, nice to meet all!
    Am concerned about a friend who I believe has narcissist tendency or even NPD. She is obsessed with ideas of being watched, followed, hidden cameras, drug kings outside home, running meth labs down street. Leaving leaves on porch as markers because tgey know she is in home, blinking lights used for codes, noises on roof, phone tapped, mice being put inside home, list goes on. This is all she raljs about besides gossiping and belittling others, bragging, saying she knows everything abd everyone else are idiots including me, but I will not tolerate it. I have been around plenty of narcissist individuals in my life, no more, she is a phone friend in which she hijacks every conversation. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks, God bless!

  • @FrostSoul-qs6kq
    @FrostSoul-qs6kq Před rokem +3

    What I wanna know is WHY does my narc wanna kill me when I'm the one that loved her most ?

    • @rachelgascoine5503
      @rachelgascoine5503 Před rokem +1

      I as myself the same question it's crazy !!

    • @FrostSoul-qs6kq
      @FrostSoul-qs6kq Před rokem +2

      @@rachelgascoine5503 it's really weird that the person that loved them most and truly wanted what's best for them gets tormented , tortured and abused into becoming suicidal and yet they never stop , even turning the other people you love against you to the point of killing you .

    • @emil5884
      @emil5884 Před rokem +10

      Because "your narc" has a deep core self-identity of unloveable. Why would someone love that which is unloveable? The only answer that remains for them is: they're being deceived. As an imagined deceiver, they feel threatened by you, which in turn makes them aggressive.
      They think it's you, but it's them.

    • @theotormon
      @theotormon Před rokem +1

      ​@@emil5884 That's deep.

    • @lizvtaz6
      @lizvtaz6 Před rokem +1

      And why did you love them the most?

  • @accordionSWE
    @accordionSWE Před 3 měsíci

    Is it true that a narcissist is stuck at a level where they only can feel anger or fear? What I believe, after hearing some psychoanalysts talk, is that a suffering narcissist have not achieved the integration of anger and fear that would allow them to further accept the complexities of depression. With maturity and adulthood follows a capacity to feel depressed and self-regulate depression through self-soothing. When a person suffering from narcissism end up at a place where they can not handle the new complex life problems inside the structures they built around their past anger and fear responses they feel completely lost.

    • @accordionSWE
      @accordionSWE Před 2 měsíci

      Adding information. I Think the ideas I got was from Melanie Klein but very likely it was also Otto Kernberg that talked about the Kleinian ideas in a text or a video. Trying to respect the professionals by giving credit for what I as a layman ponder on while getting information.

  • @BilliboJoe
    @BilliboJoe Před 7 měsíci +4

    talking about myths doesn't really help to understand narcissism in my opinion, I would love it if you just stayed as scientific as possible.

  • @clairemcmahon9392
    @clairemcmahon9392 Před měsícem +2

    Couldn’t give a damn what pain these people go through. As a survivor of Narcissistic abuse The ex put me through Psychological abuse for 7yrs. He knew full well what he was doing . They live to destroy others bc they are soulless and rotten to their very core. I have zero sympathy. Hope they get back every single bit of pain they readily and gleefully give out to others. I don’t care if they have been traumatised as a child, these people abuse and hurt other human beings for kicks. Pure evil.

    • @jelena7440
      @jelena7440 Před měsícem +1

      This woman makes good money out of it, honest doctors say that it's untreatable because it's not really a sickness they choose to do it because they enjoy it. She's giving false hope to people, parents with NPD children, people who are in romantic relationships with narcissists...as you said those people are pure evil. I am glad you made it out of their hell.

  • @SelfLoveU
    @SelfLoveU Před měsícem +2

    Okay but isn't it grandiose every time this woman rephrases what the interviewer says with a more "intellectual" phrase?

    • @jelena7440
      @jelena7440 Před měsícem +1

      Yup. Many doctors are narcissists themselves. She's also giving false hope to people that narcissism is curable and that they are some tortured souls. She makes good money out of it.

  • @BlackCoffeeee
    @BlackCoffeeee Před rokem +2

    It's also a very unexplored area of the personality types who are lured and attracted by the narcissist (excluding children of narcissist caregivers). We're often told that narcissist victims are vulnerable, innocent, empathic 'good guys'.
    But perhaps there's a type of narcissism in the victim who desires to believe that they deserve the overwhelmingly special treatment from the narcissist. One form feeds another perhaps?
    I don't want to victim shame, nor do I want to undermine the devestating effects of narcissist abuse but I feel that it's at least worth professionally considering the mindset of someone who is a perfect 'fit' for a narcissist.

  • @bryanutility9609
    @bryanutility9609 Před rokem +2

    Yea sucks to be crazy

  • @-ydxmiqi
    @-ydxmiqi Před 3 měsíci

    Who else came because of duncanyounot

  • @KevinKindSongs
    @KevinKindSongs Před 3 lety

    cripes these adds at too much...

  • @wonderfulwenna2710
    @wonderfulwenna2710 Před rokem +6

    These people are basically EVIL…… there is no other word for their behaviours…..and they know exactly what they are doing to you…..and they are enjoying it!

  • @minibuns5397
    @minibuns5397 Před 2 lety +14

    What can be done to increase narcissistic suicide rates?

    • @aboetarikske
      @aboetarikske Před 2 lety +3

      Increase?

    • @goodtouch459
      @goodtouch459 Před 2 lety +14

      Lead by example ;)

    • @Peanuts76
      @Peanuts76 Před 2 lety

      Human genocides perhaps?

    • @aboetarikske
      @aboetarikske Před 2 lety

      I did read it again and wanting to kill people en masse is a trait of psychopathy which is generally considered worse then NPD.
      I don't like people with BPD for similar reasons you might have but I hope you're trolling. (Which might be a sign of covert NPD lol)
      Or is it people mixing up narcissism as a term with NPD again?

    • @Peanuts76
      @Peanuts76 Před 2 lety +1

      @@aboetarikske im just suggestng him, on specific topics, on how to get rid a narc....
      Dont take it seriously, we'll never gonna do that right here....
      Oh, and lemme save your saved playlist dude, i wanna saw some of it

  • @richellepeace4457
    @richellepeace4457 Před 3 měsíci +2

    They are not victims they are demons...

  • @miguelpaul1164
    @miguelpaul1164 Před 2 lety +3

    Realities that don't affirm the grandiosity are rejected?? Sounds like DjT alright.

  • @kellyyork3898
    @kellyyork3898 Před 3 lety +35

    Sorry, but I do not feel sorry for them.

    • @kasperhills1551
      @kasperhills1551 Před 2 lety +8

      @@user-pc2xn1iz8w couldn't agree more

    • @minibuns5397
      @minibuns5397 Před 2 lety +7

      Same! Sorry not sorry.

    • @dlyteeats3868
      @dlyteeats3868 Před 2 lety +10

      why should we they don't feel sorry for us

    • @dallimamma
      @dallimamma Před 2 lety +13

      @@dlyteeats3868 ::: Hate the crime, not the criminal? Otherwise, we’re not much better off.

    • @thegreatd3860
      @thegreatd3860 Před 2 lety

      @@dlyteeats3868 not true

  • @Tidoublemy
    @Tidoublemy Před 3 lety +10

    I'm just waiting until the video where the interviewer wastes time mentioning politics and Trump. Instead of asking about relevant things like how to cure NPD. LOL - such a waste of a rare therapist's time.

    • @jiminy_cricket777
      @jiminy_cricket777 Před 3 lety +10

      I think she can handle herself. There's no need for you to get offended on her behalf at something that is sadly quite relevant especially right now. It's not as if psychology happens in a vacuum after all.. read Lasch and get back to us.

    • @grayshus6706
      @grayshus6706 Před 3 lety +4

      Trump has repeatedly refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power, or to indicate that he will accept the result if he loses the election. Pathological narcissism at work, undermining the world's greatest democracy. America is in grave danger of becoming an authoritarian dictatorship. Trump is psychologically incapable of conceding defeat. He literally cannot do it. This will almost inevitably lead to violence if he does lose, but is unable to admit defeat. Psychological insights into this are relevant and necessary.

    • @TheMellsBells
      @TheMellsBells Před 3 lety

      Check out Sam Vaknins CZcams. Cold therapy is the only help there is for a narcissist.

  • @pavanatanaya
    @pavanatanaya Před rokem +3

    "Narcissism is a personality trait"? LMAO
    Doris Diamond babbles like an afternoon talk show host

    • @animateddust2640
      @animateddust2640 Před 11 měsíci +2

      The reason the world is in the debauched state it is in today is because there are too many Doris Diamonds in it.