The Making of Warhammer | Fourth Edition: Boxing the Behemoth

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  • Part three of the complete making of Warhammer - a series looking at the development and release of the greatest war game in tabletop history!
    Whilst 40k instantly sky rockets, Rick Priestley returns to his other creation to refine and simplify it for a new generation: Warhammer Fantasy Battles 4th edition makes the game more accessible than ever, even going so far as to put brand new plastic miniatures in its starter box!
    This new drive towards younger consumers and an overall shift to a more formal and corporate way of working marks the beginning of a major change for Games Workshop and its games - play time is over.
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    01:34 Introduction
    03:20 Ansell's Parting Gifts
    10:48 Warhammer IV
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Komentáře • 305

  • @rickpriestley4569
    @rickpriestley4569 Před rokem +178

    Just to say hi and that I really enjoyed your piece on WH4 - and also the previous two on the earlier version of WH - plenty of stuff in there that even I'd forgotten - well it was a long time ago and all that. I don't recall exactly when Battle Masters hit the streets - 1992 according to our friend the interweb - but with all the Milton Bradley/Hasbro projects there was always a much longer lead time than for our own games. In fact, BM was very much steered by Bryan Ansell, who designed the game itself, so although it came out after Bryan had left GW that was only a matter of MB's timing. Once Tom Kirby took the reins we were really too busy on our own projects to do further work for MB, although we did do some further model design work it was rather reluctantly done and MB soon found other sources of design.
    As a side note - Bryan's original design for BM envisaged a lot more troops, but MB insisted on expending a chunk of the budget on the tower model - which we all thought was crazy when you could have quite a lot of figures for the same 'plastic'. The MB team insisted on including the tower to give the game 'verticality'... we had a bit of to and fro on that!
    Keep up the good work.

    • @Rob-nq6br
      @Rob-nq6br Před rokem +3

      Fun small fact - The copy of Reaper in the first video of the series I got you to sign at a BOYL a few years back!

    • @robertdean52
      @robertdean52 Před rokem +3

      The tower model on its own was a nice piece. I’ve got one obtained second hand just a few years ago that has featured in quite a few recent fantasy games…

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +38

      Thanks so much for this comment, and thank even more for the incredible work you’ve done to build this hobby! I, for one, owe you a great deal for all the amazing experiences I’ve had playing your games, and I doubt I’m alone in that.
      Interesting to hear more about Battle Masters development, I didn’t realise Bryan Ansell was so instrumental in it. I’ll definitely cite you when I get round to a BM video!
      Please forgive this shameless bit of self interest, but if you’re ever interested in chatting through and documenting some of the early history of your work, just let me know

    • @NisGaarde
      @NisGaarde Před rokem +7

      I'm sure you get this all the time, and rightfully so, but thank you so much for your contributions to Warhammer and adjacent games over the years. It has shaped the imaginations of millions, myself included.

    • @wulfbak
      @wulfbak Před rokem +3

      The worlds you helped create are a big part of my forty years of gaming. Thank you!

  • @jonathan2950
    @jonathan2950 Před rokem +40

    You could tell Games Workshop had hit the mainstream in the early 90s when Warhammer 4th edition and Advanced HeroQuest were included for purchase in the Argos catalogue!

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      Ah man, I must have missed AHQ being in there. That would have completely changed my list for Santa!

    • @Cellaghney
      @Cellaghney Před rokem +1

      And 40K, that's where I got mine... 😂

    • @PigeonSmythe
      @PigeonSmythe Před rokem +1

      They carried Space Marine in the Argos catalog too

  • @ComandaKronikk
    @ComandaKronikk Před měsícem +5

    That 4th edition art is absolutely incredible.

  • @madzen112
    @madzen112 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Used to make paper cutouts for the units I didn't have in Fantasy Battle and play on the floor, pretending to play my high elves against my cousins dwarves. He still won when he came over for holidays, I was such a Timmy.

  • @LordVader1094
    @LordVader1094 Před rokem +34

    I haven't watched the video yet but I just want to say that I love both this series and your whole channel for basically being the only channel in existence that has high-quality content focused on Warhammer Fantasy.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +3

      Thank you for saying this! I love these games, especially Warhammer, so spending the time researching and talking about them has been such a pleasure

  • @mikenolan73
    @mikenolan73 Před rokem +2

    4th edition was where I first started playing WFB. I'd been playing 40k and historicals before that but 4th was where I sold my soul to Chaos!

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      4th edition had some wonderfully appealing armies, I think I’d collected most of them by the end of the edition!

  • @TheAegisClaw
    @TheAegisClaw Před 8 měsíci

    That box was where I really started too, a Christmas gift one year along with all the metal models for those things that were cards in the box. I was made up as a 13 year old. I had long been aware of GW games, from the mid to late 80s as an already veteran D&D player by that time. Some golden memories.

  • @superdupertyson
    @superdupertyson Před rokem

    The 4th ed illustrations are mind blowing. Jaw droppingly beautiful

  • @Pariahwulfen
    @Pariahwulfen Před rokem +2

    My father still has two copies of Battle Master, since he figured it'd be a good way to get me into the hobby and it was a cheaper way to buy the minis at the time...he never did get around to cracking that second box to paint them...

  • @pagancrew
    @pagancrew Před rokem +11

    The real measure of the care you put into filming these is that your recordings take a cat's sleep-groom cycle.
    Oh and also the great detail, research (love the design background, always) and, of course, actual archival images. (Wait, are the 90s archival now?)

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +2

      Sleep time is the only time she’s not making completely reasonable demands for constant attention!

  • @Kolyarut
    @Kolyarut Před rokem +11

    Rumour at my local GW back in that era was that some kid put his eye out on one of the goblin spears from that 4th ed box set, but of course a lot of people liked to tell a lot of tall tales. One kid insisted that in the upcoming 40k 3rd edition the Lion was going to return, and clearly that's some kind of nonsense that's never going to happen...

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      I think I heard a similar story causing the end of the plastic measuring sticks!

  • @darrenrichardson6146
    @darrenrichardson6146 Před 27 dny

    WFB 4th edition was MY edition, played the heck out of it during my 1992-96 school years, having been introduced in 89 at the tender age of 9 to Hero Quest.
    These days while I see talk of how it's this persons favourite or that person's dislike, I rarely see talk about one of the most important sections in the Rulebook which means with the Bestiary Book, you actually have an almost complete system without the need for the army books, the Points Value "Appendix" at the back!
    With the wealth of plastic kits today, it's very easy to build armies in the classic Oldhammer era look by using those points costs and the Bestiary stat blocks and bring a new lease of life to the old books, just think, the three Oathmark Dwarves box sets can give you the core of a decent 1000pt army, or use Gripping Beasts Dark Ages Warriors kits and make a rough looking human army in no time at all!

  • @laurentderrien
    @laurentderrien Před rokem +1

    This is the version which introduced me to the game too, and so many people of my age in France.
    So glad I met the right people who owned Battle Masters and 4th !
    5th came soon after in my case, and that's the one I played most. I wish I never stopped and sold most of it. I kept all my skavens tho, I'm sure you'll appreciate that !

  • @RSBurgener
    @RSBurgener Před rokem +1

    And this is when I came along! I entered the game along with my champion, Vlad Von Carstein, the fantasy version of mid-80's Dave Vanian. Six months later, I would enter the 41st millennium alongside Mephiston, The Lord of Death. And that's why I am who I am today.

  • @jsw0278
    @jsw0278 Před rokem

    This was the period I was interested in it, with those miniatures with brightly coloured paint schemes that were fashionable back then

  • @caitlynwarrington8690
    @caitlynwarrington8690 Před rokem +2

    Great series. I was fortunate enough to begin playing Warhammer at 1st edition and Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader. I have many fond memories of these games.

  • @xShammehx
    @xShammehx Před rokem

    My first ever miniatures were from the Warhammer 4th boxed set, bought second hand for me as a birthday present by my parents when I turned 9. I had seen and wanted to play Warhammer 40k, but they hadn't been able to tell the difference between the two games. I didn't havethe heart to tell them they had got it wrong, so from that point on I became a Warhammer Fantasy player and I never looked back until Age of Sigmar. That box made me into a High Elf player, I still have most of those pointy spear boys to this day along with my metal Dragon and Griffon miniatures(in pieces of course). I miss the extensive Lore that was present in the 4th edition Army books, there was so many grand tales that are not often referenced or are done so only casually nowadays.

  • @TheBattlinBarrowGaming
    @TheBattlinBarrowGaming Před rokem +5

    I still have a drastik plastic orc somewhere in my collection. Loving this series!

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      I’m glad! I’ve never actually seen one of those Drastik boyz in real life - on my list to track down at some point!

    • @TheBattlinBarrowGaming
      @TheBattlinBarrowGaming Před rokem +1

      @@jordansorcery there's not much of it left. To be honest I had forgotten that it was called this is been so long. I think I got it back in 88/89!

  • @lokennz
    @lokennz Před rokem +1

    Brilliant video. 4th Edition was the pinnacle of fantasy wargaming. My friends and I used a house rule to limit our armies to two characters max and it made the games far more balanced

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      That’s a great house rule for 4th/5th I think, a little bit of at home balancing can go a very long way!

    • @jsw0278
      @jsw0278 Před rokem +1

      Me and my friends house ruled so much stuff that it was hardly warhammer any more. But we never bothered to get any of the newer edition rules after that

  • @bruceottenberg373
    @bruceottenberg373 Před rokem +2

    I got into Warhammer in 3rd Edition, but 4th is when WFB really broke into a more mainstream crowd. This brings waves of nostalgia!

    • @Stonehorn
      @Stonehorn Před 8 měsíci

      Up until 3rd it had a very different ruleset. Especially first and second edition. By third edition, some modern mechanics had started to solidify, but it still was still very different. 4th is when it truly became a war game.

  • @victorgarcia575
    @victorgarcia575 Před rokem +1

    Fourth edition was the first one in Spain, I think. The first I and my friends played. So many fond memories fighting each other every weekend!

  • @ageoflove1980
    @ageoflove1980 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I give this video a +5 feline score.

  • @maugan37
    @maugan37 Před rokem

    This one in particular was such a trip down memory lane. Hilarious that you noted the stabbyness of the goblin spears, I remember that so well. I got the box when I was about 14, had to get it shipped from Australia because nowhere local to me in New Zealand stocked it. Thank you for the video, it's a work of art.

  • @Annatar339
    @Annatar339 Před rokem +29

    This is the gold standard. As someone who got into the setting after end times I really think 4th eds art is what really got me. Just unparalleled.

  • @tartanpimpernel6358
    @tartanpimpernel6358 Před rokem +1

    Omg as soon as i saw those gobbos i had an immediate memory of pain. And then you referenced it later in your vid!

  • @Vrooten
    @Vrooten Před rokem +13

    Love this series. You could easily have got by by just playing the nostalgia card, but you went the extra mile and it's great!

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +3

      Glad you’re enjoying it! It surprised me how much I got into the behind stuff as I was researching, just felt right to try and bring some of it to light!

  • @whitewolf44a
    @whitewolf44a Před rokem +2

    Oh wow this video had a cat instantly. LOVE IT

  • @MiniatureRealms
    @MiniatureRealms Před rokem +3

    Another fantastic video, this is a brilliant series, really like how you’ve woven 4th edition into a wider context of GW at the time.
    4th is right there with 3rd for me as the core of my early years as a wargamer. I think during this ‘era’ I’d moved on from playing just Fantasy, to playing (or having plans to play) anything and everything GW made. As a painter, Mike McVey was probably my first painting hero, but it’s amazing how those tiny black and white pictures on the contents page of White Dwarf have extra personality to the writers and designers, pre-internet it gave a brilliant connect to the studio for teenagers playing at home.
    Would love a video on GW and literature, would be really interesting to hear the development towards Black Library.
    Great stuff, thank you for doing these.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      I’m glad you’re still enjoying them! I’m really interested in spending some time on GW books, such a brave era for GW that

  • @matthewjarvis3103
    @matthewjarvis3103 Před rokem +5

    Absolutely superb! Loving this series, as many have said one of the best Warhammer (mostly) hobby channels on the 'tinternet. Following this episode I had to dust off and take a look at my old Drastic Plastic Orcs and plastic regiment minis. Still cool. Thank you for the detail and nostalgic trip.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      Happy to have inspired a little orcy reminiscence! Thanks for the kind words, Matthew!

  • @Senaneone
    @Senaneone Před rokem

    As someone who only got into Warhammer by the time Age of Sigmar rolled around, I gotta say these videos have been super interesting.

  • @cuckoowasp2009
    @cuckoowasp2009 Před rokem +2

    As a Junior-high student who lived, breathed, and dreamed in Games Workshop technicolor in the early 90s, your videos hit me right in the nostalgia gland. Thank you!

  • @pforson
    @pforson Před rokem +5

    Great episode. This was probably the largest change in the direction of GW and Warhammer since Ansell took over from Livingston and Jackson.
    I got into the hobby with HeroQuest and 4th was the edition I played the most growing up, but honestly, looking back now as an adult, the art, style and overall feel of the first 3 editions (especially 3rd) is just so much more interesting. Bill King‘s „Moorcock grubby realism“ description was spot on!

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      Absolutely, it’s fascinating to see the change in the products, art, writing, and other material being released through that transition. It paints such a picture of change

    • @Patrick-rz3ug
      @Patrick-rz3ug Před rokem +1

      I couldn’t agree more. I still loved what they did but the previous visual feel was better.

  • @paulsyrah
    @paulsyrah Před rokem +1

    A most excellent series of videos. I’m still torn between WFB3 and WFB4. WFB3 felt better but was so complicated that we didn’t play or finish that many games. As soon as WFB4 dropped, loads of games got played. I preferred the WFB3 push back rule and did not like the ‘fail LD and whole unit gets wiped out’ replacement. But then I had just painted those 50 gobbos! WFB4 properly ramped up the fluff though with all those books, that was really good.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      Thanks! I had an orcs & goblins army around 4th edition and it was so much fun!

  • @benhayward2597
    @benhayward2597 Před rokem

    That box was my 1st introduction to warhammer, I remember getting repeatedly poked by the spears.

  • @thelonelybolter8245
    @thelonelybolter8245 Před rokem +6

    this series is so well-researched and presented! fantastic!!!

  • @markysgeeklab8783
    @markysgeeklab8783 Před rokem +1

    I am really enjoying your videos. Been listening to them while building and painting my "new" Warhammer The Old World armies... got a pile of 400 25mm square bases ready

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      I've decided to stick with the smaller bases, but I need to get a whole load sorted for my new Empire army so I know the challenge!

  • @EntropicEcho
    @EntropicEcho Před rokem +4

    I too started my addiction around this period. While today I'm more in love with the grittier and weirder Warhammer world of the 80s, this era also still holds a special place for me. The rules were horribly clunky and unbalanced, but we absolutely no idea as we were just teenagers as it was the only thing we knew.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      I’m the same: I love this edition for what it meant to me at the time, yet over the years the older Warhammer has appealed more and more

  • @ElderlyJoeDuffy
    @ElderlyJoeDuffy Před rokem +2

    The in-depth videos have lived up to the quality of the first overview video. These are a great watch! Looking forward to the rest!

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      Thanks so much for your support! I’m really glad you’re enjoying the series!

  • @tyleranderson4721
    @tyleranderson4721 Před rokem +2

    Got my start with this set as well. Soo many hours sunk into lovingly looking at the art, reading over the rules, and moving those elves and goblins across the dining table.

  • @brett7773
    @brett7773 Před rokem +1

    GW seems to have forgot it’s the 40th anniversary of Warhammer Fantasy Battle… it’s very good that you haven’t 🤜

  • @upthebracket26
    @upthebracket26 Před rokem +1

    What an unexpected blast from the past. Great video :)

  • @batjutsu
    @batjutsu Před rokem +5

    Thank you for another solid overview. The transition of garishly bright Herohammer, always important for Skaven to look squeaky-clean-bright. 😉Squeak-squeak! 🤩🐀🌠

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +2

      It’s pleasing to see that there’s still a relative grubbiness to many Skaven, even during the reddest red period at GW!

  • @drdiscostu
    @drdiscostu Před 7 měsíci +1

    Haha arcane magic also included ice spells! Very important as the empire only had 8 separate types of magic already

  • @robertjeffrey5560
    @robertjeffrey5560 Před rokem +2

    Thank you for making this series. Warhammer and wargaming in general has been an absolutely HUGE part of my life for over 30 years now! Its so cool learning about the early days!

  • @TheSirSpence
    @TheSirSpence Před rokem

    They were my favourite HE archers of all time. I wish you could still get them.

  • @apexFMUKGaming
    @apexFMUKGaming Před rokem +3

    Great vid. Looking forward to the next one

  • @alscott5700
    @alscott5700 Před rokem +3

    Thank you for this series. Yes you have inspired me to dig out my 2nd and 4th Ed rules and introduce 4th, to the school games club I run. Happy days ahead!

  • @mightyg4538
    @mightyg4538 Před rokem +1

    This is amazing, can’t wait for more. Content like this is what’s needed on YT!

  • @MIJCheng
    @MIJCheng Před rokem +1

    I have thoroughly enjoyed this series and am looking forward to exploring the later editions. Thanks for making these quality videos.

  • @Patrick-rz3ug
    @Patrick-rz3ug Před rokem +1

    I think that was the most comprehensive vid on the subject that I’ve seen. Well done!

  • @stalker1983
    @stalker1983 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Already seen this one. But here I am back to listen Jordan inform me of the past mysteries and poke at my nostalgia. Best of times

  • @andyhall109
    @andyhall109 Před rokem +1

    I was also a child of 4th edition (although I had tinkered with 3ed and Warhammer Armies thanks to my best mate). Like you, it got it's claws in and never let go, and now Warhammer has defined my career. Rick, Andy, Jervis et al have a lot to answer for!

  • @LincolnTank-StillOnTheSprue
    @LincolnTank-StillOnTheSprue Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great history again. You make several references in many of your vids about games, character names and events that showed that once upon a time GW wasn't afraid to laugh at itself and embrace the inane

  • @GoblinGreen2021
    @GoblinGreen2021 Před rokem +1

    Really enjoyed these Making of Warhammer series, great stuff!

  • @nikoladedic6623
    @nikoladedic6623 Před rokem +1

    Also, funny that you mentioned Chaos Dwarves and their struggles with getting army lists when now they received a proper DLC for TWW3.

  • @NisGaarde
    @NisGaarde Před rokem +6

    Excellent work - as always!

  • @Stonehorn
    @Stonehorn Před 8 měsíci +1

    This series is great.
    I started playing with 4th in late 1992. It was a special time in wargaming.

  • @jjett350
    @jjett350 Před rokem +1

    I remember the Christmas. When my dad got me Hero quest and Battle Master. I was way to young to understand the rules. And didn't have anyone to play with me. But wow i fell in love with the miniatures!

  • @chrisherbert9924
    @chrisherbert9924 Před 8 měsíci +1

    This warhammer videos are really interesting

  • @pansar86
    @pansar86 Před rokem +1

    4:ed was the time when i starten collecting warhammer, by god I was a terrible painter. Still paint to this day and I go all out goblingreen bases and the most bright colorschemes I can. It was a special time with those crazy colors.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      The armies of that era were vibrant to say the least!

  • @rp7155
    @rp7155 Před rokem +2

    15:59 that really struck a chord 😂😂 those little goblin spears were deadly!

  • @stalker1983
    @stalker1983 Před rokem +1

    Just received a copy of 2nd edition warhammer fantasy today and thought of you :D remembered the new episode should have dropped by now and I see I was late!!!

  • @danielpapst8698
    @danielpapst8698 Před rokem +1

    Mate I have to say these videos have been fantastic. It’s been a while since I’ve sat down and made some minis to a CZcams video, and the combination of your fantastic content and the hype I have for TOW has me feeling cheery af. So thank you for the effort you’ve put in!

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      Thank you for saying this, appreciate you giving them a watch!

  • @unholyduckman
    @unholyduckman Před rokem +3

    Excellent channel, going from strength to strength from something that started out relatively strong anyway. I love your presenting style and content is just nostalgia heaven. Bravo Sir, keep up the good work.

  • @ktg8030
    @ktg8030 Před rokem +1

    Spells were included in the army book in this set. I think there were 6 cards you could photocopy from the back of the book.

  • @adriltythorin6702
    @adriltythorin6702 Před rokem

    I remember getting Battle Masters in 1994 here in Oz. It was fun to play, and a gateway into Warhammer. And the units, terrain pieces and the tower all came in handy to supplement my later armies. Truly a nostalgic memory.

  • @garfieldv2
    @garfieldv2 Před rokem +1

    I started with 4th when a mate had bought it. I had already bought fantasy warriors, which had 102 dwarves and Orcs. So we played warhammer. By the end of the 90’s I was jacked off with GW’s constant changes to the game and stopped. However, over the last 8 years or so, I now play 3rd edition and love it.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      One of the best things about retro gaming is that it becomes so much more about playing on our terms rather than the company’s - there’s a wonderful freedom to that

  • @nikoladedic6623
    @nikoladedic6623 Před 9 měsíci

    Wow, had to have another magazine added to my hoard because of this video. I had no idea Red Giant existed and it was focused on Fantasy Warlord.

  • @joshuawamback3574
    @joshuawamback3574 Před rokem +2

    Another great video. I received Battle Masters, and the included mailer was sent away for a GW catalog, a sample White Dwarf, and that got me hooked

  • @dysonraf
    @dysonraf Před rokem +3

    Absolutely brilliant 👏. Also my first edition played. Epic

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      I loved that box so much, incredible memories from my start with the hobby!

  • @Jackalblade9
    @Jackalblade9 Před rokem +1

    After a lengthy social media hiatus I've got a lot of catching up to do and this is the best way to kick it off. As always, your ability to present information in a thorough, concise and entertaining matter is almost unparalleled, sir. I can't wait to catch up on the rest of your videos!

  • @jameswhitehouse5706
    @jameswhitehouse5706 Před rokem +4

    Another great instalment. Your brief mention of Battle Masters bought back memories. Luckily I still have my copy. In fact I bought another set off eBay last year with a crazy dream of combining two playmats and two giant Imperial and Chaos armies. Of course it’s never happened.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      I cannot imagine a living room floor big enough to house two of those game mats!

  • @JustGimmeAFrakinName
    @JustGimmeAFrakinName Před rokem +1

    LMAO!!! That ending.... 🤌🤌

  • @ktg8030
    @ktg8030 Před rokem +1

    I have this set. Its one of my most prized possessions.

  • @KateHolden
    @KateHolden Před rokem +1

    It's impossible for me to be objective about the change from earlier editions to 4th, because the second I see that colourful art and those lovely pristine McVey high elves with vibrant red sashes, nostalgia hijacks my brain. I was a kid who fell in love with Warhammer around the shift from 4th to 5th ed, and I love that vibrant, yet grim world.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      That era captured my imagination so much, I definitely owe my love of the hobby to a lot of it! I still love it a great deal, though have found more appeal in the earlier art as the years have gone by as well!

  • @rotwang2000
    @rotwang2000 Před rokem +1

    A funny detail is that Ansell left GW and consolidated Wargames Foundry by drawing in all the top sculptors who were all doing historical minis on the side next to their GW dayjob.
    Foundry became the GW of historical wargaming, a miniature producing giant offering high quality miniatures. They became a dominant force in that some were worried that they were becoming too dominant as they had with Fantasy and SF gaming.
    Ansell made one critical mistake, he thought he could push wargaming into a premium niche where miniatures had no upper price limit. He was convinced that wargamers would be willing to pay any price for their lead fix. The market simply didn't follow and several companies produced equally good miniatures at reasonable prices. As prices rose steadily the bulk of his sales came from the heavily discounted deals, but when those became too much for most wallets Foundry went into a slump. Ansell blamed the stingy wargamer and claimed he would conquer the market of the collector, ready to fork out far more for an individual casting than any wargamer ever dared. Sadly he never found this market.
    A few years later a few daring people tried what was considered pure insanity until then, historic plastic miniatures. The common wisdom at the time was that only the five richest kings of Europe could afford the massive cost of making plastic miniatures. Historic Plastics were considered a pipe dream at best, complete madness at worst.
    But things had changed and the market was ready for it because former Matchbox and GW employees started their own business and they had the skills to make quality plastics. All it needed was a few enterprising sculptors to try this.
    From the ranks of GW arose a generation of people who were business-trained and understood things like marketing and sales volumes. They started the historical version of GW, Warlord Games with plastic Romans. The Perry brothers released an ACW set and Conquest would have been among the first had they not had issues releasing their Norman Cavalry set.
    After over a decade in the doldrums, Foundry got a resurgence. Despite most of their models being older they were still in demand and with a slightly saner price policy they are now a solid presence at every show. They are no longer the giant gorilla they once were, but any presence is better than no presence.
    Warlord is now a huge producer of historical as well as fantasy and science fiction games and holds several licenses.
    If you visit your average wargames show you'd hardly suspect that GW is a huge background connecting tissue between various companies and developments in gaming. Many manufacturers and companies were part or grew up to become part of GW. They were sculptors and employees who learned the business and started their own companies.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      Thanks for sharing this, some interesting context!

  • @eezergoode8588
    @eezergoode8588 Před rokem +3

    I need part 4! Hook it straight to my veins.

  • @zalhietzli
    @zalhietzli Před rokem +1

    Fantastic video series ! Very well documented and you are great story teller ! Although I started on the 6th edition, I saw glimpses of older versions in my youth, and I just love the old art that came with it ! Please keep up the good work ! :)

  • @benbaxter1047
    @benbaxter1047 Před rokem +1

    Thanks Jordan for this one. I am glad you gave 3rd and 4th ed their own video. I started playing Warhammer Fantasy Battles after this edition but I remember collecting the Empire and Orc and Goblins from this edition and using the models from Battle Master to expand my Armies. As a side note, a friend who owned Hero Quest introduced me to GW and 40K in 1993 from where I played most of their games including WFB.

  • @CrimsonTemplar2
    @CrimsonTemplar2 Před rokem +4

    Another great look into Warhammer history. Looking forward to the series on GW trying to break into publishing fiction.
    The highlighter sound effect grew on me as the video progressed.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      Thanks Crimson! Mixed views on that sound effect, think I might lower the volume next time at the very least!

    • @CrimsonTemplar2
      @CrimsonTemplar2 Před rokem +1

      Probably best. Less is more.

  • @mcwomble99
    @mcwomble99 Před rokem +1

    Awesome series. I no longer play, but started with the first edition and this brought back loads of great memories. I enjoyed you cat chilling out in the background too.

  • @jasonnewell7036
    @jasonnewell7036 Před rokem +1

    4th ed was where I jumped on board with Warhammer and I stayed all the way to 7th. The amount of times I was impaled on my own goblins' spears...

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      So many scars!

    • @jasonnewell7036
      @jasonnewell7036 Před rokem +1

      @@jordansorcery the number of times I'd pull my hand away and they'd be embedded in my flesh. How did they sculpt something so sharp? They could have made a fortune with that monofilament technology!

  • @Perkustin
    @Perkustin Před rokem +2

    Excellent Video, i can't wait for 'my' era in the next couple videos! Also no spoilers but the sleeping cat does something at ~25 minute mark.

  • @robperkins2085
    @robperkins2085 Před rokem +1

    Excellent video bud - you've researched thoroughly and present it well. looking forward to the next video...

  • @SiestaOdyssey
    @SiestaOdyssey Před rokem +1

    Great, I love Battle Masters

  • @PotentElectron
    @PotentElectron Před rokem +1

    Hey Jordan, brilliant video and series so far. Cant wait to watch more of your documentaries!
    A piece of feedback for future videos: the highlighting sound is really quite distracting for headphone users as it's effectively white noise of your beautiful voice!
    Thanks again and keep it up

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      Glad you’re enjoying them. Feedback noted on the highlighter, it got a few comments so I’ve left it out of the latest video!

    • @PotentElectron
      @PotentElectron Před rokem

      @@jordansorcery thanks man, i noticed the recent upload. I am really looking forward to watching it!

  • @danm2966
    @danm2966 Před rokem +2

    HAHA this was "my set" as well. My brother and I received it as a shared Christmas present one year, and share we did. We played out games with those plastic armies (gah! that goblin spearman is hanging out of my finger! The spear is actually a spear!) then we moved on to making our own armies. I still have our original game books and army books from that time (Skaven and Wood Elf) and have managed to hang on to some of the miniatures from that time too.
    Funnily you showed WD 155... that was my first ever copy of WD too! Goodness, I read that thing cover to cover multiple times a year!

  • @davidclegg7560
    @davidclegg7560 Před rokem +2

    Haha, I'm starting to feel like we're on some weird, shared fantasy arc now.
    After commenting on your WFB 3rd Edition video to say that I'd just bought a copy of the rules the day before your video dropped, I've just watched this video after getting back from my FLGS. Amongst other things, I'd bought a second hand copy of Fantasy Warlord from them...
    Right, I'm off to find my old Fighting Fantasy books. 😁

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      Hope you’ve found your FF books and rolled your skill, stamina, and luck - it’s not long now!

  • @chocodoco4855
    @chocodoco4855 Před rokem +1

    I love this edition. I was introduced to Warhammer through an old set a friend had gotten from his brother. He never played it, so had no problem gifting me a high elf archer. That was my first miniature. This was in 2003, so we were well into 6th edition, but to me Warhammer always gets me to that transition time between herohammer and 6th. I still have that archer BTW, first among the hosts of the Asur!

  • @leonatus221
    @leonatus221 Před měsícem +1

    Thx mate

  • @brucemcbain3150
    @brucemcbain3150 Před rokem +1

    Thanks so much for giving us a look at the history and evolution of the company that we love/hate/love! This was a pleasure to watch -and learn.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      I’m glad it was enjoyable and informative! Thank you!

  • @lexiwilson9501
    @lexiwilson9501 Před rokem +1

    Binge-watched the first three parts and looking forward to the forth. It's all those nuggets of info that makes me appreciate all that time and effort you must put in to putting these all together.I owned several versions of WFB including the first. I question why GW are bringing it back though(even though I'll still buy it). The game will always be the stuffy uncle to 40K's rebellious nephew and so it might whither on the vine just like a lot of GW products in recent years. But the new timeline is intriguing and may be a deliberate effort in "darkening" the game.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      I have similar thoughts about The Old World and how it will compare to the WFB of yesteryear. I’m interested to how it plays out. Thank you for watching and for the nice comment!

  • @philipdutre5144
    @philipdutre5144 Před rokem +1

    I still remember the release of the 4th edition. I bought it, but being a huge WFB3 fanboy at the time, was disappointed. For some reason, it didn't feel like Warhammer to me anymore. I slowly turned my attention to historicals (I guess I was growing up), but I still bought every single edition of Warhammer upto 8th after that (and they are still all on my shelves ;-))

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      It definitely evolved in feel over time. Still that’s a mighty collection to have!

  • @MikeJones-lf4bl
    @MikeJones-lf4bl Před rokem

    Chaos dwarves have made a beautiful return in Total War: Warhammer 3

  • @NB-568
    @NB-568 Před rokem +2

    I need more!

  • @6Stevo
    @6Stevo Před rokem +2

    Best one yet. Keep up the good work on this excellent series. 👏

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem +1

      Thanks Stevo! Now the hard work begins - 5th edition onward are the ones EVERYONE remembers!

  • @jebstuart4004
    @jebstuart4004 Před rokem +1

    I agree, the box gob/high elves was also my 1st introduction, Great rules but....too clean shiny to me, because i played Warhammer RPG and blood bowl since 1989, so to me, Warhammer died around 1996. Sad.

  • @robodog3571
    @robodog3571 Před rokem +3

    another great vid. thanks.

  • @jamesbullen2920
    @jamesbullen2920 Před rokem +2

    I remember the big green free catalog at this time, must track down a copy. And how the models seemed to match my HeroQuest board game. Love the look of the elves.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      Those early 90s green and red catalogues were amazing! So full of promise

  • @BenColemanUK
    @BenColemanUK Před rokem +2

    Fantastic series, so well researched, and the love for the games really shines through. My formative years with GW were partly in the Red Period, the very colourful style has stuck with me, even today ~30 years later my models still come out in very vivid hues! Looking forward to the next part.

    • @jordansorcery
      @jordansorcery  Před rokem

      Cheers Ben, glad you’re enjoying the series! I only wish I’d learned to paint at some point in the past 30 years!