ROCKPro64 Single Board Computer
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- In this video I show off my RockPro64 Single Board Computer and explain why I think its a good SBC option lieu of raspberry pi's being expensive due to resellers.
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these micro computer names are getting less and less edible as we go along
Don't eat pinecones
Pine needles make a nice tea tho
This edible ain't shi-
@@gaminggamingtm wooooooooomp
@@rune.theocracy boowomp
You don't eat rocks?
7th dimensional theory is Rasp pi production is reduced while they install the backdoors needed by 5 eyes.
Put down the Expo. It's ok nobody is here to hurt you. We can help.
It glows..
This is why I buy from China, they're too cheap to install backdoors.
@@CantoniaCustoms Maybe they already have the backdoor install integrated in the factory line and that's why they make them cheaper.
@@almaefogo here's to hoping "everything made in China breaks" apllies to the backdoors lol
The problem is that every major industry is hoarding them in case China invades Taiwan, disrupting TSMC then suddenly any sort of custom, application-specific, chip becomes unobtainium. No one wants to stop automotive or aviation or whatever major production because they can’t get a $1 custom microcontroller or ASIC. A programmable microcontroller or an affordable SBC is almost future-proof for the same uses.
I was about to post "Perhaps a foreign power is buying the Pi4s up." I was thinking that they could be used in drone technology.
@@Kenobi5001 The military industrial complex is certainly one of those industries that isn’t going to stop production just because they didn’t want to hoard Pis. Definitely counts as one of those “major industries” I mentioned. ;)
@@FingerDawg You, however, would need computer technology to continue leaving those real witty comments!
God i fucking hate globalism. Market offshoring is one of the dangers of global capitalism.
"b- but globalism is a conspiracy theory" -- some idiot who does not understand logistics
@@uniqueprogressive9908 Well, ASML still holds a total monopoly on the EUV lithography equipment TSMC and other foundries need to produce the most advanced chips, so it’s even worse than it sounds.
Dang, I just checked the store where I bought my 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 B in 2020... I remember that I paid around 60-70€ for a set with the Pi, casing, heat sinks and a little fan. Now a similar set (but without any heat sinks or fan) is at around 255€ 💀
Same I bought mine in early summer 2021 and paid like 85$ for the whole kit and shabang like you. Think it came with a microSD and stuff too. 8GB kit too.
This is why china SBCs are taking over, 1/4 the price and does exactly the same or better. and you got some ricepis with 8 threads sata nvme pcie 4x etc. etc.
I got a Jetson Nano, now is sold as high as some laptops lmao
You can buy Chromebooks for like 90-150€ for that price it's insane how overpriced they became.
Many developers in the sbc scene are exited about the visionfive2, which reaches almost pi4's performance.
The PCIE interface lets you plug in a Mesa-6I25 card, and turn the thing into a pretty capable CNC controller.
I think what I'd most like to see with this or any other SBCs you cover would be how to make your own router or NAS; being able to free one's self from proprietary (and often inferior) ISP-provided routers or from Big Tech's cloud storage would be god-sends from IT n00bs like myself and others...
Aliexpress x86 SBC with intel NICs + opnsense is the way to go, or just use any x86 desktop board with at least 2 ethernet ports, but that's rather power hungry compared to the SBCs.
It's suspicious how long these have been out of stock. Every other company that struggled with the microchip shortage recovered, and many were back to normal awhile back. I wonder
Raspberry Pi’s are mostly going to commercial customers while a few likely > 5% are going to consumers
@@caden3241 yeah, it really does suck but between them getting snapped up for off label industrial use and the run that got done back when Helium mining was a thing the market for the Rpi4 never really recovered
Have you seen those Raspberry Pi Supercomputers the Uni's have had their students build. Pretty sure they are selling majority before they ever make it to market.
It’s hoarding. The industrial sector is preparing for the worst: No TSMC after China invades Taiwan. No more 3¢ microcontrollers or $1 ASICs… not even $50 FPGAs. They need all the programmable microcontrollers and SBCs they can get so they don’t have to suspend automotive or aviation or military or whatever other production may need them in the future.
Russian missiles guiding system maybe?🤷♂
Congrats on getting a sbc! I use them only for hosting bots and as a router. Thanks for the rockpro64 review, I'll probably get it lol
I was thinking about using the 2gb version of this to use opensense, what software do you use and what are the specs, not sure what I would need since I have 1000mbps down and 200mbps up(I really need higher upload since the torrents alone can use it all.
Great overview and recommendation for a SBC. I'd really love to see a detailed setup video of a Tor relay setup on an ARM system... I've tried it myself some time ago with a pi4 but failed miserably - so as always I am looking forward to whatever quality content you provide. Thanks for the great work. Keep it up.
I think a (recursive) DNS sinkhole like pihole or others would be a great topic to visit. Fairly straightforward for beginners and genuinely improves network performance!
Some of my favorite SBCs right now are the friendlyelec R5S r4s khadas vim3 and vim4 I’ve probably used 50 of each of these this year and very happy with them
The problem with arm based sbc other then the PI is that they often don't have nearly as much softeware support as the PI. With x86 it's no problem since x86 just runs anything that runs on a desktop, but on arm every distro needs to be specifically made for whatever SBC the device is usinng or even specific of that device. So much for arm being the future.
Yeah I'm leery of buying a non-pi ARM SBC for exactly that reason. I've been eyeballing the odroid H3 which is intel powered and compatible with everything. It's a bit more money though.
Your other option is to learn to build your own stuff with C, or Rust, but that kills accessibility.
It is easy to switch to arm. Its not like 10 years ago. I haven't used x86 for like 300+days. Even gaming is possible through emulators for 2000s or early consoles.
@@capitalismftw504 The problem is that ARM SBC's aren't as universal as x86 SBC's are. If it's x86, pretty much any x86 distro will work on it. These ARM sbcs have hardware specific to them so they often need special distro's supplied by the maker.
That's what's made the PI the defacto standard. The fact you can run most distro's on them.
CONGRATS ON YOUR FIRST SBC!!! I'm looking into getting my own SBC sometime for Christmas soon (OrangePi 5 16GB)
God I love the RK3588
Love your videos thanks for keeping tor alive
It has been possible to plug PCI cards into the RPI ever since the CM4 model because you can plug it into an external board with PCI sockets, but this is definitely much more convenient and efficient for homemade routers and retro gaming builds (with old GPUs, sound cards, etc for really old dos, arcade, etc games) than the simplest setup for the RPI.
sbc with the rk3588s seem to be the way to go. the new chip has a lot of advanced features that make it a generational jump over older ones
Nice video :) I don’t really see these boards ever mentioned anywhere by SBC CZcamsrs. I’m actually getting a Quartz64 Model-A 8GB for some projects I wanted to work on. It has pretty similar specs to the RockPro64, say for the slightly weaker processor with the inclusion of the Mali GPU Processors on board, but it also includes a SATA port on it so I can plug in an SSD or HDD if I ever needed to. I might get this one too just for the inclusion of greater GPIO support.
I didn't know they'd support multiple drives. That definitely puts them at the top of my list. Drop a couple in a 4u chassis and have multiple storage servers in one tidy box.
This sounds cool, I was focused on the newer quartz64 by pine, but this might actually be the more interesting one. Especially if it’s viable for a router build.
I'm glad to have a RPi 4, because of the support for it, though I use it as a LAN-Server. It's definitely enough so I don't need anything faster.
But I do have a project where I definitely need a bigger CPU. I originally planned another RPi 4 for it, but other SBCs seem better for the job and since I'll have to build a custom enclosure, I'll probably go with something like the Rock Pro 64.
I like how it has a proper barrel connector for power input instead of flimsy USB-C.
ive recently taken a look at the orange pi 5 (i ordered a 16gb model), it looks like a sweet deal for ~$100 with a pretty good arm64 cpu and not bad gpu. im probably going to use it for running klipper (a fw for 3d printing), a website, a nas, or a portable laptop for programming and games. I also found out about a software called box86 that lets you run x86 apps on arm which im excited to try. the only downside i see so far are no built in wifi & bluetooth just like the rockpi (the orange pi 5 is very barebones compared to the 4 which had everything a modern laptop needed but was slower and overheated more than the 5).
I think it would be cool to see a review on this since its relitively new and i think lots would enjoy it :)
I found an unauthorised reseller last year, selling RPis, but they were at heavy scalper prices. Then I found an official reseller had them in stock at normal price and quickly bought them
That PCIe is pretty dope. Definitely made my ears perk up.
I might have to grab a couple of these.
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I remember rhasberry used to be 30 bucks lol
This and the small size/energy usage (but that was not such a problem with low energy cost back then) was the main selling point
@@peterhenkel9957 for sure
@@Troonielicious 10 for a pi zero w...
Awesome video as always, keep up the good work!
Olimex has also some nice SBCs that are very open source friendly, affordable and still in stock. They even open source a lot of their board designs.
I'd prefer an SBC with the newer RK3588/RK3588S, also supports more than 4GB RAM. Something similar like the Orange Pi 5 but with flexible addon (PCIe) slot. So many SBCs, but all have their downsides when it comes to I/O, which is always limited. Or price. 😊
Eben Upton from the Pi Foundation has an interview on Explaining Computers (YT). They have had hideous supply problems and intense demand especially from the embedded device market which is going gangbusters. He also said expect no Pi 5 in 2023, they have to stabilise supply first. As for Pine - interesting gear but software support wasn't great. I used a Rock64 as a main mini server for years (until it's USB 3 port started to fail). Armbian was a lifesaver for that thing.
oh look, the review I've been waiting for since the original announcement, I wonder if they do international shipping
Pis are expensive because they're amazing. I got my first Pi4 for better emulation. Then Twister OS made it a great desktop. Then Android. I bought a third and a fourth. Bought a PiBoy dmg, which limited use and decided I wanted a better portable form factor. Pi boombox, and then a chunky Pi tablet. Still running Twister OS and now Android 13 which is terrific. All 4 Pis overclocked to their individual limit. 8GB model is my fastest one. 2275/925 stable. It's just easy to do everything with them, because there's so many creative people fixing problems, making things work.
literally the only reason they were amazing was because of the low price point. The slow speed was justifiable considering the price point, but now it's a reason to just keep using x86 PCs
@@linuxization4205 what does 15w get you from an X86?
@@pgtmr2713 there are celerons like J1900 with a tdp of 10w
@@mr.dingleberry4882 Speed?
The CPU performance between these two will be fairly similar in most cases, despite the difference in core counts. The RockPro has a heterogeneous CPU setup with 2x Cortex A72 and 4x Cortex A53 cores, but the Cortex A53 cores are substantially slower than the A72 cores. The Raspberry Pi has a 4x Cortex A72 setup, which will perform about on par with the 2x A72 + 4x A53 core setup on the RockPro64.
While this chip does in fact have 6 cores, keep in mind that 4 of those 6 cores are actually low power and pretty low performance A53 cores, while the other two are A72 cores. The Pi 4 on the other hand runs only on 4 fast cores i.e. 4 x A73 cores so having in mind that it has twice the performance cores and that they are next gen compared to these, the RPi4 is quite a bit more powerful than this board in raw performance numbers.
I paid 25 sterling for the top model of the first generation pi, the prices are now crazy.
i would love to see you do a secured nextcloud setup with this board. or another private file sync alternative. i would love to see how a seasoned expert would go about securing it.
This would be great
Glad to see you reveiw this. Have a PinePhone and PineBook Pro. Haven't picked up a Rock6 because I've got an extra Pinebook, but could see it becoming a goto for some usecases.
Such smooth, delicate hands 🤭 Hands that could code for hours then instantly grip a joystick and expertly attain high score after high score all night long 🌚
There are alternatives to the raspberry pi but my problem with them has always been the operating systems which are usually hideously out of date and rarely auto build successfully.
I hear armbian is the way to go for non pi sbc’s
Pine has been pretty good at keeping track of distros for their product. Armbian is really good, and so is Manjaro. I've been running the little brother of this board, the Rock64 for 3-4 years. Ameridroid is a good source for SBC's.
I thought it was just me or that my country's import tax was too high, but it's so damn expansive for SBC that even second-hand items could have the same price as a new one.
7:43
"Oh, and another great thing about these ROCKPros SBCs is that the actually come"
Cue in Cyberpunk music
If i can go back in time i would not buy bitcoin, i would buy raspberry Pi’s like its going out of style. $45 back then, thats a freaking steal.
I've been using one for my NAS. I think its better than the Pi (for a number of reasons.) Although the various Pi's still have their place of course.
I have never heard the term data hoarder before but like that is a very succinct term.
looking forward to seeing how making a node of it works!
I needed this video!!!! Cant find a Pi and want to make a finance clock
Looks good. I wish an SBC RK3588 has an NVMe slot by default and be flatter so I can convert it into a laptop :D Another SBC that you could work with maybe for your relay would be the Framework mainboard.
The Rock 5B is an RK3588 board with an NVMe slot, another slot for wifi/bluetooth, and is fairly flat all things considered. Driver support for the g610 gpu is still the biggest problem on most RK3588 boards, except Khadas's offerings, which seem to have figured it out already. Firefly already has UEFI for their RK3588 boards.
@@NathanMartin11 Thanks let me have a look. Yea if I was building a desktop, the Firefly is attractive. Intel is compiling GPU drivers for non-x86 systems, would be even more interesting to play around. Too bad the Honeycomb LX2 is so expensive.
@@jierenzheng7670 The Firefly iCore-3588 line of boards are interesting, however, you'd need something to plug them into for building a laptop, but its a start. I'm fairly certain those are the boards with UEFI support too. You said "Intel is compiling GPU drivers for non-x86 systems"... I'd like to learn more about that? What does this mean and imply? Thanks.
Imagine slapping a SBC with a RK3588 in a ole thinkpad...
I wish you have explained more as far as what those things are used for
Love your channel, keep it up
Pi yi yi those ARE expensive! Rock out baby...
PS: Thank you kindly for running a TOR node, Mental....cheers.
The Pi Foundation is prioritizing providing new boards to go to the industries still, for now.
Nice snazzy new board. I've seen it reviewed on some other channels already. Looks cool.
Happy THANKSGIVING!
You’d be wrong about the crypto mining. The Helium Coin has miners on its network that are called Bobcat miners. They use RasPis as the main computer, the company that makes the bobcat miner also way back logged on orders. I believe other miners made by other companies on the same LoRaWAN helium network also use RasPis, and you guessed it… those are back logged too
Raspberry Pi's were being used for Helium (HNT) crypto miners that's why there is a shortage for them for the last few years.
7:21 Linus was greatly criticized for this take and was called out especially because of the Pi-Hole video. He clarified that using adblockers is not illegal and that he personally uses them, and he emphasized that he doesn't care if viewers watch his channels with adblock on. What Linus wanted to communicate is that we shouldn't think that because we pay for CZcams by watching ads instead of paying for each video that somehow not paying for the videos in this case is not morally equivalent to piracy.
I agree with Linus; servers cost money to run and that cost is paid for in your viewing ads, so if you use adblock on CZcams etc. instead of paying for Premium, you are pirating the videos, and that fact doesn't change just because using adblock requires minimal effort.
Pi 4 has PCIe but it is used for onboard peripherals. The compute module however, does break it out, so you will find a lot of carrier boards with PCIe around.
Based Orange 4 Eyed Cat. Making a Rock64 Tor relay
I've been waiting for pi prices to go down so I can set up octoprint for my 3d printer, but one of these should do nicely
No wifi/bluetooth is a great feature! A computer should only connect via rj45 unless it's a phone.
Since the rockchip SBCs have generally less support compared to the pis it could be a great option for a gentoobox. It would be nice to see a NAS build without FreeNAS doing everything automatically. I'd love to learn more about setting up FTP and samba manually. Also they say that the pci-e SATA card in Pine64's store isn't any good so I'd be nice to find one that is.
There is a new chipset from Rockchip called RK35588 or RK35588S. It has the power of Snapdragon 855+. There is a new SBC board called Orange Pi 5. It has this RK3588S chipset and it was on pre-sale for 75 USD on AliExpress with 8GB of RAM, but with no storage.
Nice, I even managed to get a fibre channel card work on this little guy
8:50 thank you for your service.
I'm looking for a very specific kind of SBC and I have yet to find one. Maybe someone here knows of something, but I have a feeling that if I ever wanted it, I'd have to craft the whole thing myself. The goal is to plug as little as possible as cheaply as possible into a SATA laptop hard drive and be able to drop it off as a covert torrent box. Requirements would be just enough CPU, RAM, and eMMC to run an embedded Linux and a CLI torrent client, *one* SATA port, and Wi-Fi. Everything I've found with a SATA port is huge and has lots of ports; everything with the other specs doesn't have SATA. *I don't want to add a USB-to-SATA bridge.*
I don't think this exists.
With the RPis, there are still supply chain issues. And the boards that get manufactured tend to go towards commercial companies that rely on the boards - so the stock that's left for commercial stores to sell to the public is tiny.
I'm going to get a star64 when it comes out to try out RISC-V
I wish we'd get an ATX or at least an m-ATX ARM powered board already with some proper I/O (SATA, M.2, PCIe slots) - people would buy it.
1:26 that is actually not that bad of a markup if the POE hat is $15, that is the 8GB variant which sells for $75 retail at Cambridge Microcenter, well theoretically
with the micros SD card it seems like a not-so-bad deal considering the RockPro + the wifi module will cost you $95
@@amnottabs oh didn't even realize it came with an SD card too ,yeah that is not bad at all, this person is clearly not scalping for money when you consider the price plus the Ebay selling fees and PayPal processing fees , they would really be making nothing at all
@@andreamitchell4758 ikr I'm about to go buy it.
As fan from the beginning of the Raspberry boards it's so sad that the board is out of sight for any thing and any one, and also Eben Upton in a interview by Microcenter says that they will give priority to "Industrial costumers" first, I think is time to test other solutions outside of Raspi Pi boards, also can be a good oportunitty to antother SBC maker.
It can add up two numbers, pretty cool.
It's a chip shortage. The ARM chips have a huge shortage. I have several cortex A7/A9 model that have a 72 weeks lead time. Plus ARM is making weird decisions that could increase the problem on the long run to the point that some experts say that it could end the ARM dominance on embedded.
interesting, thanks for this info was looking at some pi's and going "ayo these what's with these prices" always nice for alternatives!
It's the shortage. Guys at pi released a statement that they couldn't get any chips a while back
Pine64 Pro is a damn good board, but that RK3399 really neads a heat sink with fan. There is a pwm header on there. Recommend using it.
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Atleast someone focusing on PCIe, for NAS waveshare SATA adapter is the best I can find.
A good video on this sbc would be to setup an open router with pfsense with VPN config and the pihole ad blocking project. And call the video RockHole64.
I have a couple of pis, probably my only valuable investment ever 🤤 thanks for talking about your project fella and defending the American way
Those Chinese Kodi/Android boxes everyone bought but nobody uses make great Pi replacements. 10-15 bucks second hand
Gonna be interesting to see how the Pie5 will compare to this.
Actually Raspberries are used for mining crypto, mostly helium, in systems like SenseCap or MNTD, they are also embedded in lots of commercial products, I also stared to see them used in non-critical industrial applications like test rigs, test equipment controllers, HMI etc.
Massive lack of discussion around some of these SBCs
I really hope these do not fall into obscurity, as support will suffer
I wonder if RasPi HATS would work on this? Since they both have the 40 pin gpio, i feel like it should.
The first thing I do when configuring PI. I completely disable wifi and bluetooth. Extreme security hole for IOT. And I setup automatic updates.
0:58 as a PCB designer, I can tell u that the chip shortage is still very much a thing. Take a look on the stock graphs of products (such as on octopart), and very few things have come back into stock still
Super nice device!
I have one as a NAS with hardware raid using a SATA pci-e card!
Well I have a Quartz64a which also a nice device..
Just buy the PI400. It is basically a PI4 with 8 GB of RAM and a faster CPU.
4gb*
@@linuxization4205 yes
Many Helium Miners are based on a Raspberry Pi. Over a million of them. I find it unfortunat that the raspberry pi foundation prioritised them over Makers and students
One thing that doesn't help us 3d printers need them for kipper, which should be adapted to more platforms but isn't ...for ...reason I couldn't explain why. Thank God for the sonic pad or I'd still be waiting till next year to start using klipper. Just waiting for that to be shipped lol
to be fair the pihole doesnt really block all ads its just a list of addresses so its not like completely blockign every ad just a list of known adtraffic sites, ime it only blocks some web ads but certainly not all at least with the adlists i've tried
thx for uploading at my birthday
Happy birthday 🎂
Happy birthday
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@@Wrestlelamia2.. realy funny
Here (converted to USD) the Rock Pro is 150$, and the Pi 400 (basically a Pi 4B enclosed in a keyboard) is 98$ and in stock.
You should make a video tutorial on hosting your own vpn and email service
im in a wait list to buy a rp5 but mostly out of spite. Because of the 4s non availability. I recommend a rock 5a or orange pi for higher processing if you ever need it
The RockPro64 both is and isn't the best SBC. I could talk for hours about this board because i had to get stupid deep to install OpenBSD to it before the process became as easy as it is now (still not THAT easy), but here is some very important info that wasn't covered:
The PCIe absolutely sucks, as it also does for the latest SBC generation from Pine64, the Quartz, but the Quartz has a better compatibility than the RP64. In the RP64 this is due to something called BAR memory. My understanding is that with PCIe, some cards need access to RAM directly, to write data too. Some cards need more than others. Graphics cards need quite a lot, while network cards usually need less. Regardless, some very old 1Gb ethernet network cards do require more BAR memory than the RP64 can provide. These cards will usually prevent the RP64 from booting. This is nothing to do with drivers by the way, which if you're running an OS like OpenBSD is a second compatibility layer to have to anticipate. So don't expect to dig out an old PCIe card and expect it to work, it probably wont. You'll have to research what other people have managed to get working on the RP64. The flip side is that if the device doesn't need much BAR memory and it does work, PCI is such a reliable standard that cards made in 2022 will work flawlessly. As such you find yourself in a weird situation where older, well establised 1GbE cards with good driver support wont work, but random off-brand 2.5/10/40GbE SPF cards do.
The Quartz64 (successor to RP64 as well as fabled QuartzPro64) also has PCI issues, although it's not BAR memory this time but available CPU interrupts. The ARM CPU simply didn't have the full PCI spec of interrupts etched into the die, because apparently it would have taken up a lot more space and massively increased the chip price. Personally I think this was another major balls up, people like the Pine64s SBC becaue they support PCI, but the long and short of it is you need to do the research before hand to get cards that are known to work.
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I'm expecting an SBC in the mail. The only avalible kernel version for it is 5.10, which is old. I think getting a modern kernel running on the board in your video would be a good video idea.
The model he has uses 5.15 Linux kernel for the Armbian build, so it really just depends on how mature the processor is. The Pinebook Pro uses kernel 6.0 already, but the newest RK3588 processors are still on kernel 5.10 due to how new they are. Will take a few months until they get up to speed, and hopefully start using 5.15 or 6.0.
Obviously, connectivity would be even worse, but a more ewaste friendly solution would be to repurpose on old android phone. If someone could build a usb expansion, dock type thing, with gpio on it, that would be awesome
One idea, and it’s one that I’ve been thinking of doing in the future, is to hose a peer tube instance.
It’s a program that lets you have a self-host video platform; it’s fully open-source, and apparently can be run on a raspberry pi.
You could try that??
The universities ate all the pi's and there was a chip shortage.
Love these but would actually need an 8 gig model for my use and they don't do em.
Check out the quartz by pine64, it has 8gb of ram
So a lot of why the Raspberry Pi production quantity is so low has to do with the Aging manufacturing process that they produce them on. You have to keep in mind that Legacy nodes do not have any means of additional capacity being increased. And as machines break down inside of these large Fabs they do not fix or replace them as it would cost too much and oftentimes the expertise needed for a machine made 10 to 20 years ago is no longer available. People retire move on to other jobs. You also have to keep in mind the price point that Raspberry Pi are sold on. They are low power Enthusiast DIY machines that are finally starting to trickle into large scale commercial applications but even then in those markets there are alternatives. The issue is that same Legacy node that every year machines are going out of commission reducing capacity are also where a lot of the automotive manufacturers have switched their requirements and production. That's not including everybody else who wants a cheap chipset made in their Alexa device or anything else that requires processing silicon. That means that prices have to either increase and oftentimes if there's no more capacity to be had you can't throw any amount of money at the problem to solve it. The other alternative is to create the Silicon on a newer process that is more expensive and the R&D costs have not been recouped on. That means that Raspberry Pi is stuck in a predicament. They can either move to a newer process which will cost more and mean that their devices will start closer to a modern-day x86 CPU or they can wait for capacity to open and continue making their products on the cheap side keeping the spirit of their original design. They're kind of screwed either way. The only way they fix it is by waiting out the problem. Eventually last-gen processes will Decline and become more affordable as R&D costs are recouped on bleeding edge technologies that cost premium dollars and as manufacturers of devices learn to use more integrated circuits that are higher performance such as Tesla using AMD technology to do with one processor that they used to have to have four processors do. The bad news is is we will continue to have these problems into the near future and no one is going to spend the money to build the last gen Fab as they cost just as much as a new gen Fab and they can't charge as high of prices
Time for a pi 4 and zero 2 refresh then. They can do a node shrink and then we'll have stock again. Or just go and build the pi 5 and zero 3 with newer chips whilst still maintaining compatibility. Easily done since the same pi os image runs on all their boards
@@Will-sc3hw the bad news is is they probably won't switch to an older node. If people start to realize that they can use just the older Raspberry Pi and still accomplish 90% of what they want to do it kind of invalidates the reason for the newer one to exist. Even as Tech enthusiasts try to go for the highest specification ultimately a lot of people will just continue to use the budget older design. The only problem is that it'll probably cost as much as the current gen used to cost so it'd be a bad value proposition for a lot of people compared to what the current gen MSRP was. I understand why they've been so hesitant to make progress because no matter what they do it's screwing somebody
RPi bootloader is proprietary, instead of open source one like uboot, and the price is also expensive for a CA core
Now I have something to run a relay on while off at uni!
Ok so the reason the raspbery pi has been out of stock isn't entirely because of the chip shortage, but because the pandemic birthed WAY to many hobbyist to the point where the small factory could handle it all. Basically everything is on massive back order and they said it would take years before they can fulfill it all.