Top Tiers Most Populated Lineup Is.. "Balanced"? - War Thunder
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- The Top Tier USSR/Russian Lineup is likely one of the most well populated lineups among all the existing nations, populating more than 11 slots for what is essentially, the same set of vehicles!
00:00 - The Lineup
06:28 - The Battles Begin!
11:00 - Sprut & "CAS"
14:24 - The T-90M Returns! (& CAP)
19:05 - T-72 Plays & Mig-29
24:18 - SPAA Duties
28:30 - The Conclusion
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Got the T90m, played one game, realised I can't grind anything left in the tech tree effectively with it, havent played it again since 😆
My brother…stop the grind for a second, enjoy it. Then get sick and tired of it and go back down to a lower BR to actually have fun. I play half my games between 1.3 and 6.3
@@toasterhothead3312 god i love playing 6.7 - 7.7 Russian heavies
@@toasterhothead3312 True words, I tend to stick to top tier but when I stop trying to grind and just have fun with the vehicles I got even at top tier it becomes much more fun.
I got the T90M first and i was able to effectively grind the rest of the vehicles i had in tier 7 and and rest of tier 8.
@@NahIdWin995 i think hes talking about grinding lower rank tanks, which adds a rp penalty of up to 90% in some cases
The Pe-8 not a child, he is grandfather 💀
the strela already being better than the flarakrad and still getting a buff is a fucking joke.
but remember... there is no ruZZian bias.
I played a few games today with it. its the easiest spaa to play by far.
if the strela is better than the flak bus you must suck at the game
The Strella struggles to find targets and its range is trash
@@biziluxgames8924 🤡
@@PWB06lol compare it to manpads then talk. unlike strela, manpads cant lock helis past 2.5KM
As the best SPAA below 11.7, the Strela getting buffed is absolutely shocking (I have never been less surprised by anything in my life)
The tan sam exists homie
What about against helo's tho?
On most maps, the Strela can lock and fire at helos at max range.
Some weather conditions can limit this, like night battles, but luckily they mostly got rid of those the same updated.
Tan Sam can as well, out to even longer ranges.
The advantage of the strela over the Tan Sam is it immediately starts maneuvers and seems to turn on a dime, making hitting low flying jets way more manageable.
And seeing as that's how jets play Top Tier ground these days, the Strela is pretty good. Also it's stupidly large seeker head gimble.
@@Entrailraider oh my bad I forgot because nobody plays Japan and there are 10 strelas per game.
I just brought it but like, it will lock on flare
Hey Justin, I noticed you carry maximum fuel loads in your Mig-29 (12:10) and Su-27 (16:00) and I would like to say that fuel weight drastically affects the flight performance of these jets!
i think he overestimates how much fuel consumption the top tier jets have, i see him do it with pretty much every plane, realistically you dont stay up in the air for more than 5-10 minutes before needing to rearm so might as well bring less fuel
@@martras2237True
@@martras2237 This is not an EС map, even a mig at full afterburner will not spend more than 30 minutes, and the Su-27 is very economical for its engines. Considering how Justin flies, 20 minutes is enough for him.
su-27 is really fuel hungry, not so much the mig-29 tho
One vehicle I wish was in the game was the SU-12, as it might be a Battle Pass reward. It's a modified GAZ-AAA truck, armed with a 76mm regimental gun M1927 infantry support gun. It's already in-game as the main guns of the T-35, early variants of the T-28, BT-7A, and T-26-4.
There’s already a truck exactly like that in the game.
@@cutthroat795 You're thinking of the YaG-10 (29K). That has a 76 mm air defense gun M1931, not the snub-nose 76mmregimental gun M1927.
As a swedish main I only struggle against CAS at top tier 😂 Russia is no issue
Fuck you broken gay tanks haha
First time in 2yrs they’ve been put in their place, don’t let gaijin find out
@@F-18SuperBecause it’s fair to make another nation incredibly OP. Why can’t they all be equal in capacities? STRVs and Leo 2A7s are such pain in the asses for my Ariete dawg
@@thatonelocalauthority2809 yes they all should be equal. I’m jokingly hinting that gaijin won’t let Russia fall behind.
@@thatonelocalauthority2809 Arietes and Leclercs will forever stay underpowered for sure, not worthy in the eyes of the snail 😔
Ka52 is way more agile than Mi-28NM. The only thing about flying them is Mi28 is more streight forward type of helicoptee.
And honestly Justin please STOP lowering your collective so low when you take out helis (you go down to 0 at times I noticed). If you do that what happenes is you lose all air under your rotor and fall into vortex this is why it happenes to you in Ka52 more because the rotor design is more sensitive to this. And anyways going to the side quickly gets you out of vortex anyways...
You want to go lower? Do a downwards turn and then reingage. It will save your but too to lose contact at times with potential SPAA.
People in the comments are underestimating T90m. It's currently shadowed by Leopards of sweden and germany but that spall liner is still hella good
I disagree, I can still one shot a t90m aiming for its usual weak spots. I can no longer one shot a leopard.
@@TeamASGTS I play T90m and have almost never been one shotted. Idk i don't have a hard time against Leopards after the era upgrade
@@TeamASGTS the t90m is more survivable in the side than the front because of the spall liners and russian ammo
@@PenanceWT I’ve yet to pen a t90m and have it be in a position to run away or shoot back. Leopards you can shoot the turret but then he’ll get away, you can shoot the hull but then he’ll one shot you with DM53.
le 4km reverse speed
16:16 of course it feels like a bus, if you carry max amount of fuel, especially in ground rb (like why?). Most of the time you're perfectly fine with 30m in air rb, in ground 20m might be enough.
Might? My Brother in Christ i die in the First 2 seconds from a flarakrad
@@TM450FI If you're dying to that shitbox SPAA, sounds like you need to learn how to dodge missiles before worrying about fuel.
@@creepincreepy261 here It Is: the pro but only in the YT comment section
@@TM450FI The vt1 is nearly the easiest missile to dodge at top tier. Especially at range. All you have to do is turn and roll hard and it'll fly right by.
"im gona die ughi , he had protection " 💀💀 , JustinPlays last famous words
One minute into the video and already really nice edited
I turn on the automatic lead mode if someone is flying perpendicularly to me at close range. Has helped me land a couple hits against gripens maneuvering above me or planes trying to flank around the side of the map.
As ever, my favourite content creator doing what he does best, showing his skill whilst also teaching.
That sks & vityaz in the background though ❤
vacuum-1 is between dm53 l55 and lp83 apfsds of the obj 292.
2:11 Is getting a large amount of crew slots worth it(7+)?, How often would you really get through all of the vehicles, especially if you favor certain tanks to start (eg, start with light tanks, or are using a top tier mbt)
It is worth it if you play one nation a lot, you wont use all spawns ofcourse but you can have more vehicles in your lineup and so be able to adjust to situations when needed.(with enduring battles. Both cap the other teams point it is very handy)
Hey justin i been watching for a while now and wanted to ask a question, will you make a video on the new israeli premium when alpha strike drops? The raam segol
Love your videos man!
"I thought my team mates were covering that end" famous last words............
justin would you play the chi nu II? i know you don’t play low tier all that often but it’s such a fun vehicle
the 2A46 cant actually fire the Vaccum of the Armata's 2A82 gun, the cardtrige is longer and wont fit the breach
Proceeds to play Russia TT,
Reach t64.
Starts match.
1st match, 1st enemy you see, gets your breach and barrel with first shot.
2nd match, 1st enemy you see, gets your breach and barrel with first shot.
3rd match, 1st enemy you see, gets your breach and barrel with first shot.
4th match, 1st enemy you see, gets your breach and barrel with first shot.
5th match, FML.....
Thanks for the tip to use pantsir, it helps a lot got 5air kills in one match
Love the fact that us teams are still only good when you play against them us was the first tech tree I researched and it was straight just straight pain getting the sep v2
Justin: Pantsir is Pantsir
Me: Until your enemy need new pant, sir-
😑
Yikes...
He shots and ………………………….. he misses
Thx you have one of the best war thunder podcasts
Isn't the "vacuum" round for 152mm cannons? I mean yea armata can fit one but i don't think it would be ok for anyone except soviets to have a freaking turretless tank with 1 meter of RHA penetration at 2km distance
Not at all, it's for 125mm guns, however it's long to fit in the T-90s caroussel, so it can only be fired by the T-14.
Love the indian "ranapratap" camon on the strela though
do u pick the best replays? for every video on her? =)
I have started to grind Britain and it feel weird to not get one shot but a leo in a Challenger coming from the Abrams.
Revisit the T-72m2 Moderna(its expensive now)? The object 292 and that new T-80 premium should be going up in BR to join it at 10.3 to be honest.
i dont understand the coming buff on the strela, just increase its br
That was me in that Abrams I couldnt even see you on thermals bro 15:25
How do you not think the Pantsir is the best AA???? It is the best in almost every way, it has the best radar, best AA missiles, longest range missiles, guns to shoot down incoming munitions, lots of ammo and lots of missiles, great optics, can track multiple targets at a time (more difficult to do but you can do it). The only thing the ADATS has on it is that its missiles can take out tanks too but even then Russian ERA eats all their penetration because they aren’t tandem.
The ADATS isn’t even an SPAA
its built to do both, mainly spaa though i think@@Iden_in_the_Rain
@@pandaperson4507 in game it’s a tank destroyer, so it has a much much higher spawn cost than an actual SPAA
And I have video of me shooting a tank with 7/8 missiles with the ADATS and after I was done he killed me that says the Tank Destroyer label is a bit misleading.... Just no.
Smokeless missiles, almost untouched flight model, RWR only see its radar but no lock. If you missed a launch, you probably die instantly.
hey justin i was just wondering as a struggling plane user in general, if you could possibly make a keybind tutorial? its hard to find something current/updated and i practically dont understand most of them. or if you could refer me to something i would greatly appreciate it
For US top tier i do something similar for anti-air, have ADATS and LAV-AD for AA.
Could turn this format into a serie. Making it for all/other nations. China would be interesting as well
Already did, one nation left to go!
I'd love to see a video like this for China since it's kinda comparable in the MBT area.
my fav Russian vehicle is the Khrizantema, that thing has thermals and can lock on tanks or even aircraft. Its missiles slaps with 1,2k mm pen.
Anyone know any tips for ps5 player new to the radar spaa stuff? I’ve played the gun radar spaa just never the missles ones. I’ve never messed with the radar setting and stuff but it kinda sounds like I should.
German main here-- the leopard is probably my favorite tank. I have a lot of fun playing it, more fun infact then playing Russia top tier.
23:37 sorry for stealing your kill on the tram, got your back on the MiG 21 though 🤙
No its broken, but Germany and Sweden are currently overshadowing them right now. Doesnt change the fact that Russia is massively handheld just because 1 other type of vehicle is better currently.
Russia is still better in most regards, they just have 2nd best mbts which is still very good
@@Optimusprime562412nd? Only the 90m. Bvm Is still behind Leo Abrams and type 10
@@TM450FI the Abrams is trash what are you on about my guy, and bvm is still better than type 10
@@TM450FIBVM is better than the T-90M going off of its jank, it’s got more spall reductions as well somehow
@@Optimusprime56241 5 second reload and never getting 1 shotted sounds good to me
That UA Bradley crew is a Vet WT player for sure...
He said he'd played it, but gun sights are a common knowledge among tankers.
So I’ve got the t90 first and well it’s armour from my pov sucks but it’s a fun tank overall
Currently grinding air rb for better top tier CAS, but I gotta say, air rb feels so miserable if you're playing attacker. Every match is just a rat-race to drop your bombs off first.
how do you track your bombs and missiles?
haha bradley part was great
What is the custom sight on the bvm?
They are good vehicles imho leopards and strv's currently take the best top tier tank mantle. They'r enjoyability is extremely dependent on the player tho because not every is gonna be willing to put up with the not so great gun handling and deppresion plus horrible reverse of anything but the T-80's
14:15 ik that he had spawn protection but still I don’t think an AGM should bounce multiple times like that
people using ka-52 to shot aircrafts because of target priority, first you need to get rid of more dangerous targets. Jets > Helis > AA > Tanks
If you have only tanks left you literally have full control over map
So the Strela, the number 1 most busted SAM is potentially getting a buff? What the heck is the reasoning for that, the missiles it uses are already some of the most physics breaking in the game lol.
ANOTHER BANGER VIDEO!
Put the Strela in Auto mode. For the Pantsir its maybe not that good, but for the Strela its insane.
According to datamines the 292 might get it's depressiin value dropped to 3° which is just bad.
Will hinder it quite a bit, but having a breech this huge being able to depress 5° was funny tho
how can i get ur sight on bvm? plz
Beautiful indeed
I learned the Japanese type 99 can go through the turrent of the t-90m
I think Russia needs an MBT that breaks the rule of the one-shot caroussel death. It's just too easy when there is no reliable way to OSK Leo2s on the opposing team. I think it's time for the Black Eagle. Or maybe an event Objekt 195...
6:58 - Most accurate T-series moment. 😂
With my challenger 2 I can’t penetrate anywhere in front of a Russian tank
But they can penetrate most places in front of mine
Lower plate, driver optics, breech.
My dude is having a skill issue moment :(((
Chally is kinda bad tho
@@fluffythecat5413 listen and use your brain
When you’re sniping or doing quick shots in a city you can’t look for specific spots
Also lower Russian plates litterely only kill the driver cus west tanks are higher
Meanwhile Russian tanks can litteraly penetrate both left and right turret cheeks and ANYWHERE on the challenger it’s much easier for them
@@Sumi_S no way in hell, how is it that it is hard for absolute unit like you to aim properly on a move, in a city environment, while sniping. You know russians have to aim for weakpoints too, like everyone does (except for italy and England, they really have weakly armoured tanks)
Currently my favorite and good looking is abrams or leopards
do you know that the name you pun on side of the Strela is an Indian King,
Maharana Pratap, Rajput king of Mewar, epitomized valor and resistance against the Mughal Empire, notably in the Battle of Haldighati, symbolizing Indian defiance.🚩🚩
I don’t know why any one would say the Pantsir is not the best AA, literally is best in everything. Don’t have ADATS yet. Can someone explain why that is a better AA? I just don’t see it being better.
It’s not, it’s also not even an SPAA
The ADATS is far better. The missile is just amazing, MIN-145 always one taps anything it hits and is incredibly stable in all flight phases. It can also pull more Gs than VT1s somehow, and has anti tank capabilities.
It’s not better
Not even close
But he’s Russian biased
@@scharrk VT1 never actually reaches 50G, somethings majorly bugged with all Roland’s to the point the Strela is probably better than any VT1 carrier
just curious, what graphics card you running?
An FE variant of the 4090.
Some say it's because of the very high setting for effects resolution. I have yet to see it happen again since changing it to just high.
@@JustinPlaysTVyour card should be fine as long as it has a GPU holder as for the artifacting it could very well be fucky wucky drivers, ive had it happen where i updated the drivers on my old 1050 and the fps in game became very unstable... hope it helps! keep ya vids goin mate
i am currently maining germany in warthunder and am worried that the future for germany is not that good as there only the eurofighter they can add but russia has tons of other planes that can be added, should i swap over to russia to future proof myself?
As someone who grinded germany years ago I can tell you that at one point or another, you will start to grind other nations. I chose Russia because the tanks are a lot of fun (for me). I don't think Russia will get much more broken in the future bc Germany and US likes to play together and America can wreck russian stuff out of the sky. But if you are looking for a fun and different nation Russia is one to go for. I actually need to start germany a bit again because I haven't played much since PSO and A7 were added
I started out warthunder as a young 14 year old boy , I straight away grinded the British tree (bare in mind I was 14 years old and thought the chally two ((((yet not in game)))) was the best thing in the game , I grinded through the tiers even eventually getting my dream tank ((((at the time)))) the Chieftain mk3, I went though years of Solidshot.exe and suffering, I now have top teir ground in every nation but Italy and china , through my experience and knowledge , I can advise one thing, DO NOT use the British tree if you are getting into the game. It'll decay your mind... anyways , Justin , could you please play ground with the Cromwell (either and excelsior will do) and any suitable CAS. Just to point out I am now a 24 year old man.
Its been ten years and the British are still haunting you
the strella should be 11.0-11.3
Leo 2a4 has to be 10.7-11.0 and it won't even matter all that much. Op af :))))
Здравствуйте, товарищ! Любо, одобряем.
I want to finish grinding with Russia but 90% of my matches I lose and it’s hard for me to grind I’m almost done with the tech tree but it’s been a pain in the ass lately that I just don’t want to touch Russia lmao
USSR doesn't need Vacuum-1 or 2. If anything, they can still get 3BM59 (the higher pen DU version of 3BM60) and give meme cannons like the Object 292, M1 Thumper, or Panzer 87-140 a niche.
3BM59 is stated to have a marginal improvement over 60, less than single digit MM improvement, so stated by Gaijin.
@@JustinPlaysTV Fair enough. Gaijin said something similar about not adding M829A3 as well. On the one hand it it just feels like something is not being factored in right in their calculations. On the other, at least the Object 292 is not actually punting turrets straight out of their turret rings.
Anybody deals with t90m/t80bvm fuel tanks absolutely eating apfsds?💀
Same as Leopard’s fuel tank eating entire APFSDS round
Most fuel tanks do that from time to time.
At least they die of fuel explosions from time to time (unlike leo) "💀"
My T-72A fuel tanks are exploding often.
I'd argue the leopard fuel tanks are wrose
"he had protection" XD XD XDD
I didn't want to believe that you were a Russian main, a true tradgedy (also what is the song that you use in the background of your videos?)
Wait, Strela gets a buff??
Hey Justin, GHPC is coming out with the T80B later this week!
Do you plan on covering that one?
I think the balance problem comes down to people wanting to grind for RP rather than truly counter who they’re up against, as you’ve said I’ve had some incredible difficulty countering a good Bradley or CV BILL player in Russian MBTs, however those vehicles don’t typically net as much RP for most people as MBTs hence them playing proper support can be fairly rare.
I have been playing Sweden and a light tank in a strong spot can nuke an enemy teams ability to win. There is one spot on a map I like that you can spot the enemy as they spawn and pick and choose which threats you kill with them only able to counter by bombing you.
I mean the Israeli heli with bilion spikes on it probably will outmatch every russian heli, just by the sheer volume of missiles it can throw at tanks, planes and helis.
I would also argue the British Rooivalk (SA, but UK tree) is at least comparable. It can lob missiles 10km out, and 9/10 times I win a fight against Ka series helis because of superior missiles.
Yeah, I’m right there with you bud! Russian main.
That a krink in the background?
In the BR 10.0 the ru is to strong and that randomness against ru is the worst part. Sometimes no spall, no ammo explosion, drivers optics eat the 120mm apfsd etc. On other tanks is that not so extreme... and no I'm not a nato main ...
I have both german and russian in tier 3, which one should i grind to top tier?
Germany currntly they are just better and have 3 extremly capable top tier MBT's
Try sweden, will take the same time cuz of smaller tree, it has 3 leos with good composite screens
@@fluffythecat5413 So, I should grind Sweden first then? If I get Sweden, I don't have to grind German for top tier?
this lineup is called revenge kill evrytime
Wow, i didnt know mig 29 had tiddie rockets. Badass.
With extra sprinkles :D
How is the ADATS better than a pantsir, wtf justin? Not only its more expensive, it's also more wonky and the missiles can't turn past 3km
He’s Russian biased just like any Russian player
Did you just call an apache a little bird?
Can you please cover the new Chinese ifv?
When it drops, yeah!
Honestly there really isn’t any “russian bias” in game, for fecks sake both the T-90a and T-90m have extremely unrealistic stats, for some reason despite being praised for it’s maneuverability for some reason the Su-27 has the flight model of a WW1 battleship, the barrel launch atgm’s on the russian tanks only work 50% of the time, tbh this really isn’t a problem of russian bias these problems I talked about exist on all tech tress, gayjin just straight up sucks at modeling modern vehicles to their irl stats
T-90M turret look like a crab
Sorry but the ADATs shouldn't even considered being in the conversation of good AA. Just a jet flying in a straight line evades the missile it's a joke. It's pretty good for helicopters but jets? That's a hell no from me. There is a reason many US mains are wanting a better SPAA.
Brother do you also have the problem of constantly talismaning top tier tanks even though theres nothing to research with them? I know what it feels like XD
I think gaijin should give the T-80, T-90A, T-72 and T-64 finally realistic stats, the gun handling of them is so much worse than in real life, at least T-80U's should have same gun control as the T-80BVM. Also irl the T-80U has spall liners, which gaijin forgot for some reason. Russia could be much stronger, but for "balancing" gaijin probably won't fix that issues.
And then the thing that they add the Mig-29SMT, when there's a SM with same weapons, and the only difference that it has less fuel and better flight performance.
Imagine they add the Commander thermals that they Russia is putting on the T72, T80's, and T-90a's
Also sidenote about that spall liner, you got a source for that? I been in a T-80U before when I was in Russian service (wasn't a tanker) it was very clearly a white inside without a spall liner
@@handsomeivan1980There's a book from like 2000 that is about the T-80 and it's variants, where you can read that T-80U had Kevlar(=Spall liner) inside.
I'm not sure if there's a source in the internet, so if you don't own the book, you probably won't find anything about it.
But i would trust the book, because it's from one of the developers of the T-80.
And small siede info, i saw already a Leo 2A7 from the inside, it was completly white too, so i'm not sure if Colour says anything
@@sturmovik_80 you own this book still? Could be very big to make some stuff on it more public
@@handsomeivan1980 I think it's still somewhere in my house, but probably gonna take a while to find it, haven't seen it for over 10 years i think.
THEY HAVE SPALL LINERS
thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2017/12/t-72-part-2.html#nbc
To each their own I guess
As long as russia has the best spaa by far it will always be the best nation at top tier
That really isn't the best argument.
The best nation in top tier is Sweden
@@ttohv naaah
Top tier looks so nice i just don't get why gaijin made the grind so bad that many people quit long befor they hit top tier am at two years in this game now and no where close to a top tier yet. I just hope they fix the grind soon it the only thing that is killing the game the most
Do you use premium time and premium vehicles? Do you get 3-6 Kills games? Do you take advantage of the RP bonuses for spading vehicles. Do you make the most of RP boosters that you get from daily chests? Gaijin has already change the economy after the boycott, you should have reach top tier by then, I started playing the game after the boycott and when the changes to economy was introduced, now I have USA and Germany Top Tie after 800 hours of gameplay
Top tier isnt nice, it looks great, but isnt.
You grind all the way and then feel forced to play because of the time you put in but you dont have fun.
The only thing that hold's the bias and power of Russian tech tree are its players xd
can we get a hoodie with a Gotcha and somekind of a kill. i think it will sell
Boy I cannot wait to see how much the winrates can plummet for Russia at the higher brs to top tier, if it's bad now it will probably be worse when Alpha Strike drops. lol