The worst retcons of the Fallout TV Show
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- čas přidán 26. 05. 2024
- Despite what other people have said, the Fallout show absolutely retcons the games, including New Vegas. To pretend otherwise is delusional or dishonest.
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Hearing Todd claim to appreciate New Vegas is like hearing that an abusive husband loves his wife.
Todd says he loves you while you are bleeding in the floor.
@@streptococo4735ASMR to sleep/study to
Hey it just works
that hit way too close to home for me, spot on
@@streptococo4735ASMR to sleep/study to.
Ulysses was right. Once a symbol loses its identity a pale imitation build without respect will follow.
They really spent a lot on his dialogue because the things he says throughout the whole are incredibly revealing and thoughtful. Everyone thinks it's word salad because they have 3 in intelligence and -10 in speech, but everything he said has more than one meaning. Basically everything and all of it relevant. Fools really couldn't understand what he meant when he addressed the Legion and NCR as the Bull and Bear respectively. I can't take those people seriously.
@@BigPanda096 I think people dislike Ulysses because he's the opposite of what you describe him. His metaphors are too on the surface, yet he acts all pretentious, even though lacking the greater depth to both himself as a character and his ideas. I mean, I personally like him, but I get why so many people are irritated by him.
@@BigPanda096 A lot of what Ulysses says is meta commentary on the franchise, and often specifically warnings on what was likely going to happen to Fallout if they kept making games without any reason beyond fan expectations and making money.
@@williamkingsbury3044 Old World Blues felt like this too. Bethesda has a fixation on the old world, even though it shouldn't be treated as much more than set dressing. The reasoning is because making things prewar, makes it easier to excuse those things showing up in new places.
@@VitaliyMilonov I think you also described Oxhorn there as well, XD!
Todd Howard brushing aside criticism of the rectons by saying "New Vegas is still canon", shows perfectly how little he cares about New Vegas and the lore in general. Like tell me Mr. Howard, which major faction ending is canon? House, NCR, Independent or Legion? Because all of them can't be canon at the same time since they'd directly contradict each other. If it's the House ending, which one? Securitrons upgraded or not? That would make a huge difference lore-wise. But of course he doesn't bother to think about it because he really doesn't care in the end since it's all been nuked anyways.
Be careful, you might inspire Todd to introduce Dragon Breaks to the Fallout Universe to make them all canon.
Is it even possible to finish a House run without upgrading the Securitrons? I know you can do a Yes Man run and even blow up the Securitron army that way, but I don't remember the upgrades being optional with House.
@@Mirthful_Midoripretty sure you have to upgrade the securitrons at Fortification Hill. Since destroying FH fails the House main-questline.
We'll see next season
My theory is that Todd Howard secretly resents New Vegas and Obsidian Entertainment because their game became the fan favorite out of the whole series.
imagine that Breaking Bad becomes a comedy show, because Saul makes a lot of jokes and is a goofy character
or because walt threw that pizza on the roof that one time or fell off the railing in the lab trying to kill that fly or because jesse was goofing off with the compressed air lines and chemical suits
No no no, you don't get it, you see: In Fallout 5 when we finish off the merc that kidnapped your brother, we get to see the NCR fly into the current area (Florida) with a very big hot air baloon.
And then we'll see that same hot air balloon crash 5 seconds later due to damage sustained from random small arms fire, just like the Vertibirds from Fallout 4...
@@nadrewod999 maybe, or: you've to side with the South eastern enclave, which hates all technology invented after the middle ages, because wastelanders use tech after all. And after you help the enclave claim enough "encampments" they'll allow you to shoot down the hot air balloon with a bunch of catapults.
Tbf they weren't much durable in FO3 either
I recently replayed Fallout 4. Some how, it's worse than I remember. I wish I could delete memories and just forget it
@@nadrewod999 All of this is too interesting and entertaining for a Bethesda RPG.
i do love how freeside, camp mcarran and every other notable location around vegas has just literally disapeared. it really shows how much they care.
Well they actually moved the airport around a bomb.
The art department was probably shown a picture of New Vegas out of bounds and assumed that's how the surrounding land looked.
I'm positive the research that showmakers do is just a bullet point list on the premises of the past games on the west coast.
Also the many highways surrounding Vegas disappeared lol
@@MichiganGunNutThanks Manya!
This whole show feels like revenge against new vegas's perpetually relevance
It gives Bethesda a standard to be judged by, which is why they hate it.
tbh this i find is such a weak argument. i dont think that they have like this personal hatred of NV or anything. they just don't care and want to make something that sells large volumes, if that contridicts the previus games than so be it. its just harder to make games like nv so they don't, doing reserch is also difficult and so is comming up with coherent lore that is bolth that and entertaning so they just ignore it.
No excuse. If it wasn't difficult it wouldn't be worth doing.@@owenhunt6796
@@owenhunt6796I agree with this, but I do find it suspicious that Strong said "Or the church, miss the church." Which is exactly what Dog/God said in the Dead Money DLC. But it makes no sense because Dog/God is referencing the church from Fallout 1. Also in F04 there's now 4 factions to choose from for your ending. Just like New Vegas. I think they're trying to mimic what the game did but unsuccessfully. It comes off as more like it's a 5 year old child trying to act tough like his dad rather than resentment or jealousy. I wouldn't be surprised if Emil or Todd were pissy about it somehow though.
New Vegas is not the only one. also fallout 1 and 2. even stuff from those Brotherhood and Tactics game.
Fallout 1,2, Sonora, Tactics, and New Vegas. Toss in the Fallout Bible and Van Buren design docs for some extra world building. That's all you need from this franchise.
Exactly.
Sonora Enjoyer
@@CantusTropus Yup
Fallout 1,2, Nevada, Sonora, Tactics, New Vegas, Old World Blues (HOI4)*
@@noddy1973 I've heard excellent things about it, just haven't played HOI4 myself.
Saying Fallout was never serious is like saying Blood Meridian is a funny action book
Don't give amazon studio any ideas
@@yankieowl7663
Blood Meridian isn't a funny action book. The Fallout franchise wasn't written by Cormac McCarthy. The Fallout franchise obviously is darkly funny while being serious and heavy? The comparison is weak here. It's just that the comedy shows through in the Fallout games despite the gravity and drama differently.
ig we shouldn't treat silent hill 2 seriously with its story or themes cuz one of the endings just shows a dog running everything.
"X was ALWAYS X!!" is the absolute WORST argument you can ever make to defend something. It's just whataboutism.. if we wanted to talk about one thing, we would be talking about that one thing. No, we're talking about the *current* thing.
I think it's really funny how people claim this show was "made for the fans" when the show runners very explicitly said that "this show is not for the fans"
>copium "made for the fans" argument
>people involved in the show claim the BoS are patriors
>shows the BoS using a US based flag
If the so called fans don't get why this is a big deal, then uh...
@@BaconMinionit’s because the Brotherhood has been restructured and all chapters are now united under the leadership of the eastern brotherhood….you know…the extremely patriotic chapter of the brotherhood who did want to restore the American military might. Who believed in the original purpose of the Brotherhood….
The brotherhood is arguably more patriotic than anyone else. Considering they believe in American values, they succeeded from America because of the enclave being corrupt. Not because they’re anti American..
Bro acting like the brotherhood hates America instead of hating the enclave…remember who founded the brotherhood. A marine, a patriot who believes in America. He didn’t believe in his corrupt rulers.
It’s like saying modern right wingers aren’t real patriots cause they dislike the federal government….
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Imagine having to say such things to justify bad writing and people not caring about lore.
You are a fool.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116pal stop arguing with fans of fallout & go play a game with a bit of depth
Just recently, Chris Avellone said and clarified this again on X. The meme encounters in Fallout 2 were supposed to be just funny jokes. They weren't part of the franchise.
And as I've said many times, has everyone memory holed the fact that the jokes were the main criticism people had of fo2? People fucking hated wacky humour
Yeah it's crazy how people cope, using goofy moments to paint the whole picture of fallout to be goofy wacky silly post-apocalyptic play time, where nothing should even try to make any sense, every single game has goofy stuff in it, red dead redemption 2 has many goofy side quests and moments, including alien and time traveler references, would anyone really say that red dead is a "Goofy and wacky series" and "Doesn't have to be taken seriously"? Hell no,
@@valance10 This is why I say that FO2 was the cause of the downfall of the franchise. Because Bethesda saw the zany wacky nonsense and figured that was the core of the franchise.
Fallout Tactics also suffered from this nonsense. Just look at its ending, where they have a dog pissing on a robot that was, moments before, about to kill everybody.
HA HA HA IT'S FUNNY DON'T YOU SEE LET'S RUIN THIS SERIOUS MOMENT WITH ZANY WACKY TOILET HUMOR!
@@BaconMinion A dog pissing on a robot is slightly goofy, but for one, that's exactly what a dog would do in this situation and secondly, it doesn't detract from the rest of the game unless you're an INT
@@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638Oh yeah, the double standards is really bad. Very good point about RDR2
"There's a lot of walking potential with shooting myself in the kneecaps"
Bethesda Fallout Enjoyers: wow, so true, philosophical, even. 10/10
this is like giving patroling guard jobs to people with knee injuries... wait....
Finally I got the reference about the arrow in the knee: it was foreshadowing
"B-b-but he can totes replace his kneecaps with turbo robo kneecaps when they get developed in the future and THEN he's gonna walk faster than you peasant Chuds!1!1!"
Anyone with a basic grasp of economics (so definitely not the Theory snorting writers) probably wanted to punch the screen there. "Yes, I can earn more money from my customers by killing all of them and destroying all of my infrastructure." Brilliant!
Surprised you didn't mention the magic ghoul juice. That retroactively makes the existence of any non-feral ghouls absurdly unlikely.
For me, this is another reason to think that Bethesda slowly redcon ghouls for ordinary zombies since Fallout 3
Wasn't even mad, just horribly confused. Also Walton Goggins being unreasonably tanky makes no sense either.
@@maks_ant6649 The whole ghouls as zombies thing started with Broken Steel.
Broken Steel added in the Apostles of the Eternal Light, which are lead by Mother Curie III. She uses water that has been tainted by radiation to make people "achieve Enlightenment", she claims will make them not age, not feel hunger, etc. Save for one, her entire following are ghouls.
So already, Broken Steel is telling us that ghouls don't need to eat. But it gets worse, because when you're in the Presidential Metro, the Metro Authority Rapid Governmental Transit System (M.A.R.Go.T.) informs the player that there's been a security breach. The system cannot identify any body heat... and when you go to find out the problem, IT'S GHOULS.
So, according to Broken Steel, ghouls do not need to eat and they have no body heat. No wonder come Fallout 4, they can lay face down in river beds for however long they want, and don't need any sustenance. They're literally zombies, and have been since 3, despite what the game says about how they're just humans, albeit ones who have survived and mutated from massive radiation exposure.
To be fair, I think that could be saved as it appears to be a med that only prevents a ghoul who is on the cusp of going feral from going all the way feral. Now, how that works, how it's made, who invented it, how it's distributed, that's all a while bunch of unanswered questions with probably stupid answers, yes, but the drug itself doesn't necessarily mean ALL ghouls can't exist. Doesn't justify making all ghouls into Wolverine with an Achilles head.
@@stunningandbased5516 Pretty sure ghouls have been hard to kill and had regenerative properties since Fallout 1.
Bethesda: what's the NCR
Fallout: it's a faction that's rebuilding and have begun to reclaim and restore old citys.
Bethesda: do they make them out of junk
Fallout: no they even making new buildings
Bethesda: nuke them
Weirdo
Bethesda has this obsession with making Fallout into a generic post-apocalypse, if they really REALLY wanted the setting to just be a bunch of people salvaging and living with junk, they could have set the story and games only 100 years or less post-war like Fallout 1, and saved the 200 years for the post-post apocalypse with new civilisation conflicts. it's not too hard for a setting to have two eras they could jump between.
boom, easy. and they can have more creative opportunities.
@@crazypissman6721 Fallout 3 was about getting fresh water back into the wasteland. Except Washington fucking DC is a god damn swamp in real life. It rains. A LOT. They don't need a giant machine. They need a few buckets outside or to build a giant hole for a reservoir.
@@MaskedMazteronly weirdos are the people who enjoy this slop
@@MaskedMazter Tell me you ain't a normie, without saying you're a glorified normie.
The worst part about the show is now all the fallout groups i follow turned into show worshippers no longer are topics and memes about the games. But about just brownnosing the characters and belittleing people who didn't like the show. Mostly shitting on fans of the older games.
It's the antagonism that I can't stand.
Like good for you guys for enjoying it. Why do you have to go after those who don't? Why is there an emotional response to others not enjoying things?
@@incidentalconspiracy Because a lot of these fans are inflicted with the tism or poor social development. It's why they end up internalizing these products as their personality to supplement their lack of personality.
So when someone criticizes the show they take it as a personal attack.
They do the same with political ideologies, hobbies or even para social relationships. These people really need to touch grass.
The casuals can't do nothing because the originals are in the internet now.
@@incidentalconspiracy The tourists are bad; that's why.
@@incidentalconspiracy "Like good for you guys for enjoying it. Why do you have to go after those who don't? Why is there an emotional response to others not enjoying things?" oh really? Which fans are calling the fans who enjoy the show casuals or tourist? Which fans call the other fans "fake fans" for having Fallout 3,4, or 76 as their favorite? And may I remind you that a fan of the older games once made an 8. HOURS. LONG. VIDEO over a guy who simply enjoys Fallout 3. I'll give you a hint, it ain't the fans of the Bethesda games.
“But there is no retcons they respect the lore and our intelligence!” And they say we’re coping
I only ever watched up until the opening scenes of episode two, I saw something so incredibly stupid and immersion breaking that it felt like an insult. I had to turn it off.
You are, you’ve got salty tears 😂
On a side note, how do you feel about The Last of Us show?
Shady Sands is the only thing that was retconned and it’s not the first time it was ever retconned…. Fallout 2….
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 cope harder, this show is nothing like the last of us show, at least TLOU had good production and the fight scenes weren't downright embarrassing like in fallout
@@thebk247 give me an example of shady sands being retconned in fallout 2, because the game I played had shady sands as the capital of the NCR which DIRECTLY FOLLOWS the ending to fallout one saying that shady founded the NCR.
Success of Fallout Show means death of hope to ever get good written roleplaying Fallout game.
uh, no.
the success of Fallout 4 achieved that just fine.
And the sales of fallout 4 increased by 7500% after show success, we are so done as society
The adults are speaking, hush now with this nonsense, child 🤨
@@runawaymakefriendswiththem8905Fo4 is garbage.
The only way that was going to happen is if Bethesda gets cannibalized by Microsoft and the IP recycled to a different company.
The thing that's so frustrating about Vault-Tech dropping the bombs is that there are ways you could have done something similar that actually worked. Vault-Tech stoking fear and keeping tension high, or sabotaging peace talks, for instance, would be a plausible thing for them to do in order to keep up demand for their products. If those tensions then escalated far beyond their ability to control them, leading to the nukes being dropped, you might have had a decent story about greed and short-sightedness leading to ruin. But no, instead we have morons who think they can rule the post-apocalyptic world, and who want to do that instead of making the shedload of money they currently are.
Even the fact there are PEACE TALKS makes no sense! Why? Cause the USA was STEAMROLLING China after the brutal slog that was the Battle of Anchorage. We were pushing into Beijing and Shanghai before the bombs dropped. Why the hell would either side agree to peace talks? I doubt Fallout’s China is any saner or more moral than Fallout’s America.
I made this same suggestion, pretty much exactly, to my friend when I saw this. Glad to see someone else thought it.
They didn’t drop the fucking bombs. All the show stated was that they were willing to do so.
@@thebk247 That doesn't make them any less stupid, it just means they were beaten to the punch.
Anyway, yeah, it's implied in Fallout 2 that the Chinese oil rig in the Pacific was sabotaged and that led to China invading Alaska--you could easily say Vault-Tec did it or helped the Enclave do it or whatever.
@LevattWolfheart I got it from someone else, but I still agree with it.
“No no guys you don’t get it, the Tardis can appear as a random encounter Easter egg in the old games so Fallout has always been Borderlands”
Whenever someone brings up the goofy humour in fo2, I always hit them with the "and that was commonly accepted to be the weakest part of the game"
@@valance10how likely is that encounter anyway?
@@k96man Unlikely, random encounters in the classic titles are really spaced out, you gotta be travelling constantly to get even a few
@@valance10 so in other words unlikely enough that if it ever did happen to you no one would have believed you without proof back in the day
@@k96man Exactly
The CEOs and Vault-Tec:
Step 1: Start the Grear War
Step 2: Stop the means to make money.
Step 3: ?
Step 4: Profit
It's not even that, it's that their money will be worthless in a post-apocalyptic society without the industrial base they rely on.
Great War was happening anyways, they all had plans for when it started.
The Great War was already going on for a while before the nukes dropped. Youre acting like there wasn’t active warfare in mainland China and Alaska 😂
Vault Tec wants to control civilization. What part of that idea was lost on you?
So we just assuming society just doesn't start up again?
They would have complete control and societies would form around them. I don't see what your trying to critique exactly.
@@Grimkeeper17 Money as a concept would have no value after the nukes launched because there'd be nothing left to use it for. Use your brain.
This is why i said that all Bethesda had to due was say that Fallout 3, 4, 76, and the show was a separate timeline from Fallout 1, 2, and NV so that way they can have their own version of the Fallout timeline without screwing up what Obsidian and Black Isle created.
Even being in the same timeline, just kept east of the Great Plains, works.
How did they mess it up? Because the show isn’t “serious” like fallout 1 and 2 😂
Literally one of the biggest things tying NV to 3 is "the Western Brotherhood remnants mentioning how the Eastern Brotherhood went 'native'/crazy." Aside from that, there's barely any direct references which impact the story...
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 3 and 4 also tried to tell serious stories (4's story is weirdly only satisfying and emotional if you do Institute run IMO... Guess Bethesda realized they narratively shot themselves in the foot with such a high tech faction and so decided to default BoS victory).
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 because the main character of the show comes from a vault right next to the masters cathedral, how did he not notice it, and how did the vault dweller in fallout 1 find shady sands if it's not anywhere near vault 13 in the show. Why did House try predicting when the bombs would fall to protect Vegas if HE WAS AT THE MEETING WERE THEY DISSCUSSED DROPPING THE BOMBS THEMSELVES!
Bethesda's writing struggles when they can't use "it's a magical world" excuse in every fucking aspect they create. That's why retcons in TES are less blatant than in Fallout
Then Nuka-World had a magic using ghoul.
Yes. I can forgive alot of it in TES because it's more expanding lore and it is meant to be far less static--we're supposed to not know a ton of things, so many things are mysteries mortals have forgotten or never knew. I'm totally fine with that.
@@billjacobs521 yeah, like how the question of why Cyrodiil in Oblivion is a typically medieval European land instead of a vast jungle is answered by Talos terraforming it when he achieved CHIM and not because Todd was too freaked out by Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings
@@billjacobs521 true. with TES they at least TRY to explain all the changes and retcons or the details were so vague with many unreliable sources that it's not severe when some things that were not fully established are changed.
(not to say all retcons in TES are perfect, some of the old lore are just cooler and more interesting. but at least they don't give our brains an equivalent of a whiplash that takes us out more than it helps)
@@crazypissman6721 Their attempts to explain retcons is literally just Dragon Break and a wizard did it.
Imagine they just turn Berserk into a funny nonsensical manga from now on and the justification is that Puck exists so Berserk was always silly, that's what's happening to fallout and it makes me furious.
Berserk fans would fight back harder.
I mean Berserk is not really mainstream like Fallout is so the chances of it being bastardized like that are very unlikely. Also it seems like people don't understand that dark and serious stories can still have some levity every now and then. Despite how dark and nihilistic Berserk can be it still has it's humorous moments when it fits, same with Fallout.
As a Berserk fan that really hurt to read lol.
That would start a war of fans vs everyone involved because of it happening after the death of Kentaro Miura. They would be forced into retirement lol.
@@WerewulfNerd2000 fallout wasn't mainstream before it was ruined
@@sjfs231Yeah my bad. I was still stuck with that mainstream equals bad when really it was how BGS was treating Fallout with its wacky moments in 3 and 4 that people got the perception that Fallout was never serious.
It also needs to be noted that you lose karma for killing House in new Vegas, implying he truly does believe what he says about saving mankind
Redditors hate this fact
It's also need to be said that you don't get any good or bad karma for killing Caesar too and that the karma system in the game is a mess.
Cas kept pestering me to stop being a scumbag, even though I did everything right, helped everyone, never murdered anyone, and even refused quest rewards sometimes. Eventually, she left and I thought it was a bug, but I realized my Karma was "EVIL! Fiend of the Wastes" or something like that. My crimes were stealing food, detergent, and empty bottles for crafting; most of the time they didn't even have people living in the buildings I took them from, or were Raider bases. So after some research online I learned I could redeem myself by killing feral ghouls, and after no more than 4 of them, I was "Good/ Messiah"
So long story short, according to the FNV karma system, you can kill literally everybody in the game and tell Little Suzie that "Mr Cuddles is dead!" but if the last 4 kills are feral ghouls, you are a saint.
He goes on about the future of mankind as you take him out of the pod, meaning he truly believed it even on his bed.
Sinclair had to be attacked because we're not allowed to have billionaire characters that are good people anymore. Sure, we all know the majority of them aren't good people in real life, but what's the harm in a bit of idealism in fiction? This retcon also retroactively absolves Dean Domino, one of the nastiest and most envious characters in Fallout, by making Sinclair evil instead of the victim of Domino's unjustified envy.
Its not even that hes good, its just that he isnt bad inthis one very blunt and simplistic way
It isn't even idealism of Sinclair being a good person. He's a man in love who wanted to save what he saw as the love of his life who blew his fortune in a giant love letter.
Its ironic that two billion dollar businesses is trying to say capitalism is bad, its just a bad critique that lacks any self awareness of their own hypocritcal actions. Heck they don’t even understand how capitalism works, somehow it has an end goal, that u can somehow “win” capitalism like a boardgame.
I pointed this out in a previous episode of the Fallout TV retrospective/review, with this show essentially making the most vile person in the Fallout franchise right about his horrible desire to ruin Sinclair since he's now a shady grubby creep
I didn't like how they made Sinclair fat, ugly, and boring as well
Retcons would be unnecessary, if writers actually do their research. Chris Avellone said that on twitter, and I agree with him whole heartedly. The writers of the show ( including Emil ) don't care about the lore. To them, it's just raw material to be stripped down and melted down, then rearranged into something utterly bereft of logic.
Also, GET THAT JELLY MOLD OUT OF HERE.
People who are willing their life to defend retcons are weird, because retcons isn't even something necessary to begin with, and can be avoided using some imagination or skill
Spoken like a person whose never seen how Interplay treated the property.
Nice whataboutism, dude.
@@fnord4960 Like, do you remember when Bawls soda replaced Nuka-cola?
@@AllyMonsters It's like different regions can have different tastes. Much like the real world.
Nuka-Cola didn't cease to exist and just be replaced by Bawls in the whole of the US or the world. It's just that, IN THE REGION, Bawls was more popular than Nuka-Cola.
It's like saying that we were retconning the lore of the real world because Moxie was still a thing in New England, even though there was Pepsi and Coke and all that.
I've constantly said that Bethesda absolutely loathes and hates Interplay's legacy and foundation for Fallout, they want everything they built watered down and ruined. I can't trust people who hate a franchise I love to make a game for me to love.
The meme that Tood and Emil are still salty that New Vegas upstaged fallout 3. Which to be fair it did, but if there is any truth to that meme that means they also don't like morro- wait they blew up that world too in skyrim.
"hate" is such a weird way to describe it, they don't hate fallout, they just don't care and does not bother to do a research on the lore before they actually put up something that could definitely retcon some things in the lore, if they really hated fallout, they would just left it to die after fallout 3 and never release anything related to fallout ever again
@@imnotaracistokay I mean... with the way that they're going at Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout New Vegas yeah I'd say it's hate with some strong foundation to back it up. Fallout New Vegas always outshines Fallout 3 by great margins, and it got done in 9 months with some extra time being devoted to the DLCs. It's hate pure and simple, with a clumsy spillage of pure stupidity, Fallout 3, Fallout 4, and a good hefty chunk of Fallout 76 and some of it's DLC content is not that good, it's really hard to write compelling stories without going directly into extreme good vs bad. Bethesda's profited off of the hard work of men and women before them same as 343 with little care as to how the franchise should be, because they can't even comprehend basic concepts that Interplay wrote in stone and Obsidian later had to heavily remind Bethesda of.
@@wheezer6695 that sounds more like they hate or jealous of obsidian and i get that, they obviously hate fallout "new vegas" as well but I don't see them hating the actual franchise tho, i mean they basically own it. In my eyes, they're trying to make their own "fallout" by taking stuff from the lore that the previous creator made and altered it in their own way which is already insulting. At the end of the day, they hated fallout new vegas but loves og fallout (but they didn't even properly analyse the lore that interplay already established) and doesn't hate the franchise entirely.
That's a weird thing to say considering Interplay gave it to Bethesda as a last ditch attempt to save themselves from bankruptcy. From my understanding the people who ported the first two games onto modern machines had to sneak their names into the credits because Interplay didn't wanna give them credit.
Black Isle/Obsidian are the only two dev teams who love fallout.
Don't get it twisted though Black Isle doesn't exist anymore it splintered off into BioWare and Obsidian those devs however don't even work for those companies anymore.
27:35 You know what's funny? This exact same scenario played out with JJ Abrams and Disney. He wanted to blow up Coruscant in TFA, but Disney shot down the idea because they thought Coruscant was too significant to just be casually thrown away. That's right, Bethesda mismanaged Fallout so poorly they're making Disney look good by comparison.
...I'm sorry, Bad Reboot wanted to do WHAT to Coruscant?!?!
Well, screw you too, JJ, you talentless hack.
......wow. thats....wow
Actually mind blowing how much they skull f*ck fallout
@@DutchBag-ir7ib It's not mind-blowing to me, it is intentional and malicious but not mind-blowing. Fallout 3 and 4 get trashed on by by gamers, Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas get praised so Bethesda is purposeful obliterating the setting and accomplishments of those three.
@@Sumoniggro its crazy that modern companies just hate their own fandoms. it's like modern studios just don't want to be held to any standards at all. and instead of looking into their most common criticism and try to improve themselves, they just throw a spiteful tantrum and destroy what people actually like about the setting.
Can't wait for the obligatory Emil Tweet that it was actually Kyle McLachlan in the power armor in the Fallout 1 intro
who
My friend...do I have some bad news for you. He literally claimed that Nate from FO4 is the one in power armor in the FO1 intro.
I fucking despise that he has a "successful" career of pumping out shit in the safety of never being laid off despite Starfield being dogshit, while people like Chris Avellone and Josh Sawyer struggled to have projects and careers.
Truly proves that good work is only rewarded by fans with even half a brain.
Make sure to buy Avowed when it comes out.
For those not in the know, according to Emil, in Fallout 1's opening, the soldier in Power Armor who just stood there and laughed at the kneeling man being executed was Nate. That's right, the protagonist of Fallout 4 is a war criminal.
@@FelixValentiCh. That's the actor who plays Lucy's dad, whatever was his name.
@@FMK03 Which makes even less sense than the show, because Nate was out of active duty for an unspecified amount of time (up to a year) and that part of Fallout 1 intro takes place mere days before the bombs fell, since the resistance in Canada was fighting until the very end.
the amount of copium i see surrounding this show is absurd to me. it simplifies the already reductive Bethesda Fallout lore to a kindergarten level
Zaric Zakaron continues to be right about fandoms.
No, the amount of fake fans I see producing salty tears is what’s absurd to me.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116not sharing your opinion does not mean being a fake fan
@@jbiehlable Why? What did he say?
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 bro, you are in the replies to almost everyone in this comment section, the only salty one here is you. If the show were so good you wouldn't need to be going to war on it's behalf, it could stand on it's own.
If this TV show is canon, then there is no canon to Fallout, simply because they can change anything anytime they make something new.
FO Brotherhood of Steel won't be alone anymore 😂
The owners of the IP (that's intellectual property for some of the less intelligent among you) are free to do whatever they like with it. And you are free to whine about it. See? It all works out.
And if they can do that, if there is no canon and no rules and nothing matters because they can change or rewrite anything at any time and for any reason, then why should anybody care about any of it?
if this is stated as canon for real, without any take-backs... then fallout is dead for me. it ended with Fallout New Vegas, anything beyond that is a non-entity for me, not gonna buy any further games that references anything to do with the show, fallout 4, 76, etc.
@@amannamedsquid313 As Cooper says to Lucy in the TV show, "Now you're getting it." When fan turns to fanatic it's time to find another hobby. Or learn to cope a little better with something that is more likely to happen in nearly every medium than not happen.
The justifications about the Master not cracking the apparent 4-5 Vaults that were in his backyard now are the ones that infuriate me the most. Some people actually claim that since he didn't succeed in taking every Vault he set his eyes on and because he didn't realise his Super Mutants were still sterile, that somehow means he's a stupid midwit who would just completely overlook a pile of presents sitting out in the open for him to take. That retroactively makes him into a complete bumbling moron who nobody could be scared of, ruining the major threat and menace of the first game and one of the best characters in the franchise.
bro the master is one of the best villains in all of fiction, and I don't care who I have to fight about it. also, if I'm not mistaken, he's one of the first notable villains that can be convinced to stand down and end himself via talk-no-jutsu alone. mass effect has a few too, standing on the shoulders of this GIANT of a game, without which BUGTHESDA would have diddly squat
The Master's army plus his human minions are simultaneously smart enough to find a vault hidden inside a cave in the middle of nowhere given enough time, and dumb enough to miss the giant door out in the open with '33' painted on it a stone's throw away from a semi-famous landmark near their boss' home base. _Makes perfect sense to me._
Why would the master want a vault fill of mutated ppl when his entire goal was finding ppl unaffected by radiation etc🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Ya run y'all mouth full of shit and not one correct thing came out
@@wishuponamonkeyspaw2458Careful, your sarcasm is seeping through my phone. I’m tired of all of these revisionists that try to change games we love. So much that sarcasm is one of the only ways not to go crazy at the sheer stupidity of it all.
@@wishuponamonkeyspaw2458 But wait, all THREE vaults are side by side, and we know at least two of them (and probably all three) have external doors, so he missed even more!
always weird how defences for a bad thing are full of lies, wronghoods, fallacies and stupidity.
It’s weird how many people hate a show they didn’t watch cause some CZcamsr told them too…salty tears brother.
You’re the fake fans here. I’ve come to gatekeep you.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 dude we watched the show. It's shit.
@@jhonayo4887 dude we watched the show. It’s good.
@@jhonayo4887 see how worthless you are?
Don't mind me, here before the Mindless Consoomers that polute the industry and any other hobbies gets mad because anyone sane has something sane to say or has criticism.
using the same cliche NPC copypasta that Cree called out in this very video no less, because they can't think for themselves, or even watch the video.
@@BurghezulDjentilom In 24 years i've seen all kinds of different hobbies and IP they invaded. They always have the same lines, lies, tactics, half-truth fallacies and much more. *shuffles bingo card* I unironically got a lot of these filed and recorded to an extent, or simply remembered on the fly. Had some fun bets with a few pals of mines out of this kind of circus put up by consoomers.
I’m here to gatekeep you people out of fallout. I spent years gatekeeping fallout 4 new fans. Going against you salty gooners isn’t a problem 😂
In 24 years….youre younger than the original games 😂
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Your English reading comprehension is outstanding! That conjecture is nothing short out of amazing and display your unparalleled intellect!
Back in my day around the crash we really could have use of that kind of impracticality!
"Fallout: New Vegas is still a very very important game to us, but it's hard to canonize for the TV show."
-Todd "Sweet Little Lies" Howard
“-hard to canonize-“😂 I love that quote.
If they weren’t so dead-set on telling their story the exact way they want, and would let prior world building influence the narrative, it would be the easiest thing ever. Just give in to the fact that those prior events happened, stop trying to change history. It’s that simple.
But they treat the Fallout universe as if it’s a sandbox in their backyard. They even do that shit I did as a kid where my brother and I would have a big “final” battle with my Lego and then just revive my favorite figure so the storyline could continue and they’d be there for the next final battle. They literally did that with the Enclave, it’s childish as fuck.
@@ryatt9365 That Lego battle alone sounds far more fun and imaginative than what Bethesda has put out for the past 16 years. And your favorite figure coming back makes more sense, because at least with legos they can be put back together. But Bethesda is treating the lore like legos; pieces that they break and warp in different ways that are unrecognizable, rather than using something new from the box.
"dont worry guys, the mods will fix it"
"but todd, its a tv series"
"oh"
😂
This is a surprisingly short video for something that should take about 8 hours to cover.
"OH NOOOO BUT IT CAPTURED THE FEEL OF FALLOTU PERFECTLY!!!!". The next person who says this to me will be dipped in FEV.
Well it may very well capture the feel of Fallotu perfectly. Fallout? Not so much. ;)
Tim Cain said it, but he also said FO3 was very fallouty...before going on a 20 minute cope about why retcons are OK.
@@surlyunicorn9461 You know what? I'll leave that typo in there because it makes the copers look dumber.
the only reason why anyone cares is becase they captured the feel. ppl say this like suddely i should no longer care about story and should just take the shtity wrighting and be happy
@@TheBayzent I used to really respect Tim but the way he's just letting Bethesda do whatever they want with no input isn't cool by me. Considering he has a lot of influence to do so, he's been invited to Bethesda a lot
I knew the show would be cancer seeing the trailer, but holy shit this was way worse than I originally thought. Watching Fallout being butchered this way is like getting burned with battery acid, then being skinned alive before getting thrown out into a scorching hot barren desert, and left to die for the vultures to be picked off of to the bone (morbidly exaggerated sure, but I felt like I wanted to die watching this). "Lore experts" lol yeah right
I swear to God, there needs to be an obligatory position(s) called Lore Master(s) that must be appointed by fans of the lore from the first that have precedence over a director or writers
@@WashOfCascadia Yes pls
Another thing on the 'The fall was just Shady Sands in decline'. Maldova, in her explanation to Lucy, describes Shady Sands as Rose finding a paradise that convinced her the wasteland was better than the vault. Doesn't sound like Shady Sands was doing significantly bad that year enough to have a dedicated timeline mention.
my dad who never has played the game genuinly though shady sands was some kinda utopia. whitch yea sure compaired to the wastes im sure it felt like it but it had serous issues and problems like the old world goverments whitch made it so intresting and dynamic. it wasnt a utopia it was peapole trying there best. but no just fucking delete that fucker it would be to hard to wright a dynamic fall that incompases anything more than a guy with bad ideals.
A lot of people love to bring up the Dr. Who Tardis as if the series was always a joke. These people are on the same level as Matt Patt autistic where they take jokes as literal canon.
Right. It's really annoying that people don't understand tone and context. Throwing in little easter eggs, or in-universe humor, is different from this winking at the camera nonsense. Like it makes sense that characters in a world would sometimes make jokes or more outlandish things would sometimes happen, but that doesn't mean the main story, the main drama, isn't serious. Alot of shows are like this now, with everyone trying to copy early MCU stylings.
There's one good thing this show has done, it created a ton of content for Creetosis to react and respond to. I can't wait to see all the Bethesda bots to come rolling in trying to defend this slop.
I'm not as glad as you're, buddy, I wanted Cree to move on and work on something else, new and fresh, but because we live in the dark timeline, surely I won't mind seeing another episode of his solitary crusade against Bethesda's (lack of) IP management.
“It’s okay guys season 2 will fix everything” 🤓
“Cmon guys it gets good after 80 hours of watch time”
How many series have we heard that from and EVERY SINGLE TIME They either don't address it, double down on their mistakes, or just say wait for next season? I'm tired of this excuse because it isn't amending the problem, it's delaying the inevitable disappointment. (Attack on Titan, Game of Thrones, The Boys.)
Yeah, we’ll see how Maz got Anakin’s Lightsaber and Snoke’s origin and Rey’s parents, and all of those mystery boxes will be totally satisfying.
Amount of copium by those smooth brains getting personally insulted when you say the show was bad
Turns out, it was all just a dream of some guy in some vault with a random dream experiment or something. Just read this random book that is completely lost to time.
(Sarcasm by the way, putting this here because I have no idea how to make that obvious in this case...or maybe it already is.)
Apparently the Master doesn't exist in Bethesda's Fallout. That's a linchpin of the series making Fallout unravel.
Where's the Children of the Cathedral when you actually need them? 😞
@Mercator89 , we need the Master to dip Bethesda in his FEV vats. The Children can bear witness.
bro, the critics loved it, so checkmate
this is up there with other great shows and movies, like Madame Web, Velma, She-Hulk, The Witcher........
Man... It really is getting easier to just simply list which franchises haven't been fucked with these days isn't it?
You wouldn't need more than one hand...
Right up there with the Transformers movies each made around a billion dollars, therefore they're good!
lol comparing this show to those shows shows you didn’t even watch it, or you’re not a fallout fan.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Cope harder, consoomer.
@@BaconMinionHe is in all of the comments defending this crap.
Bethesda’s bastardization of Fallout lore should be considered domestic violence at this point.
It should be considered Attempted murder, and gRape.
"When franchise rape is concerned. If Skyrim innocent titty grab then fallout is full back seat ass fucking." Razor fist fallout 4
OMG
People only seal clap this slop because they don't want daddy Todd to get the belt out.
Domestic violence implies that Bethesda is closely linked to the original Fallout.
I think it's more accurate to view this as Elder Abuse...
"Bethesda has made more content for Fallout than the original creators so they should be allowed to do what they want with the IP" is such a shit argument. If we want to equate creation with ownership, Obsidian has created more Fallout content that holds up to any measure of quality than Bethesda has, so they should have the IP.
Yes. It's quality over quantity.
Fallout Tactics has a better story than the entirety of Fallout 3 and 4. Plus, afaik, there was only one person who worked on Fallout 1/2 on the development team.
Which says a lot, because literally the only thing they didn't appropriate from Tactics are hairy deathclaws.
What they did to frederick Sinclair ruins dead money. The entire thing was started because Dean Domino was annoyed at frederick Sinclair for being such a cheerful and happy person, no matter how bad things get, and he was characterized throught the expansion as a nice boss, who strove to create the Sierra Madre, to keep Veronica safe, he also connections with the Big MT folks, but those seems to be indirect and he didn't have them under control, here Sinclair is a fat bastard who schemes to create a nuclear war and is the leader of Big MT.
Also making shady sands in the position of L.A. destroys the plot of Fallout 1, in fallout1 you have to go vault 13 to vault 15 and shady sands is directly in the way, there you learn about other important settlements down south, which are usefull after the trip to vault 15 turns out to have been useless. Now, we have to assume that either: a") The vault dweller wandered around until he discovered Junktown (without dying of thirst) or b") he for same reason went so far south than went back to vault 15, which makes no sense. The retcon also destroys the boneyard factions and settlements, as you can't fit them with each other (as a remainder: the boneyard, or L.A. is the home of the unity and the master the main antagonists in fallout 1, the followers of the apocalypse, a group that looks like gangsters and punks but are actually a humanitarian group (which does the guy you though was bad guy is actually good much better), new adamntyum and many gangs, shady sands is a rural settlement, that's main problem are large animals and brigands.
House and Sinclair were just member berries for the older fans 🤣🤣🤣 its like Han Solo in the Force Awakens, hes a completely different character and his arc in the originals is ruined.
@@benshabaan Except New Vegas is going to be relevant in the next season, so House is going to be more than a memberberry.
@@billjacobs521 yeah, he'll be a full blown character assassination then
There is a possible workaround with Sinclair. The show credits the character as Frederick Sinclair, Sr. Leaving open the likelihood that the Sinclair in Dead Money is Frederick Sinclair, Jr. Still makes no sense how Sinclair, Sr. would be affiliated with Big MT and would use his son's resort as an ongoing open-air science experiment, but hey, at least the Frederick Sinclair in Dead Money potentially hasn't been mutilated beyond recognition as a character. Maybe. Potentially. Possibly.
veronica? it's vera
Not enough people are asking where Hank got a nuke...
He collected hundreds of Blast Radius board games and built one in his garage using an aluminum can and a desk fan of course.
@@surlyunicorn9461 No he opened the console and spawned in a mini-nuke launching minigun, Hank is a true PC Gamer.
You’re acting like it’s a hard thing to get when you can buy pocket sized nukes from merchants….every suit of power armor has nuclear grade material powering it 😂
The world of fallout didn’t develop fossil fuels. All of society is nuclear powered. I hate megaton cause I don’t like fallout 3, but there is literally an active nuke in the middle of the city.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 its not hard to get mini nukes or fusion core, no, but what IS hard is either actively building a Nuclear bomb with enough explosive power to create that massive crater in shady sands out of random junk with no pre-established engineering capabilities, equipment, or any of that within the timeframe he'd need it to be able to nuke shady sands, or finding a fully intact nuclear launch site, codes and all, with the nukes in that sight not having had the uranium within them degrade to the point of uselessness within 200 years of idleness.
Thats not even mentioning how difficult sneaking a home built nuclear warhead into shady sands, the capital of one of the most powerful factions in the wastelands, would be if we go with option one of how he got a nuke.
Get that retcon out of there !
I'd patent that sentence as a name for quest from Nexus mods.
@@FelixRaycher a mod about what ? About killing character from the show before they ruin anymore of the setting ?
@@csam9167 No, you got it wrong. If I could I'd made a mod with quest named "Get that retcon out of here!" and plot being an analogy to show or something similar. Just thought you comment suits perfectly.
@@FelixRaycher like you play a story like the show ? It could be... something
haven't watched through the video yet but did anyone else realise that cold fusion already exists in the fallout lore in the g.e.c.k. p.s. i hate the show too but can everyone just calm down and hate the show together
You do know that GECKs arent widespread and the fact that Moldaver stated that Vault Tec bought up her research and companies could be the reasons that Vault Tec had cold fusion for the GECKs in the first place
I believe Fusion Cores and Microfusion Cells also work via Cold Fusion.
@@thebk247
That could be the case... but if it were, Moldaver would have the NCR combing the wasteland for Intel about GECKs and possible Vault Tech Cold Fusion projects, not making deals to smuggle an Enclave scientist.
@@thebk247 correct me if im wrong but I'm 100% sure every vault has a G.E.C.K
You know what's funny? In Fallout 4, Dr. Li calls cold fusion an unfeasible project.
Mr house said it in New Vegas: ¿Why i would want to destroy the NCR? They are the best clients
>Shady Sands is literally founded by former vault dwellers of vault 15 and their descendants
>is nuked by Hank because they’re not a vault tec approved or wtf ever
All of these fucking lore channels seem to completely ignore that shady sands was literally founded by former vault dwellers and I feel like I’m going fucking insane anytime I mention it
“ Hurr hurr Cope hurr hurr Furry pic opinion discarded hurr hurr “ I’m joking but reality tends to do the opposite.
@@jbiehlable I love it when people accuse me of being a furry, lmao. My brother in Christ that is literally my dog.
@@therustledcanine3339 It's really adorable.
Founded using a GECK with one of those, uh, what are they called? Oh right--cold fusion reactors.
@@billjacobs521 yeah, the big maguffin in the show is a "rare" portable reactor that almost every single vault has.
I would compare the talk of capitalism to that of captain planet who had villains who were supposed to be caricatures of capitalism not doing anything capitalistic.
don't worry, none of fallout tv's crew or fans know what capitalism is. their understanding is purely reddit tier
@@BurghezulDjentilommany of them hate capitalism because of their inherent disdain towards what they perceive as exploitation and hierarchies. They have a childish, retarded understanding of the world
I mean even Captain Planet took itself serious enough and dealt with some heavy-handed themes like the aids crises.
“tHeRE’S A lOT Of EaRNinG PoTEnTiAL iN EnDInG tHE WorLD”
What fucking earning potential?
Theres a lot of swimming potential in evaporating the Ocean.
single-handedly one of the most idiotic lines in fiction so far.
All the customers are dead and money is useless. Also, all the potential customers are closed off in vaults and spread out with radiation everywhere. What a great business idea!!
It doesn't even sound like something Mr House would even think, let alone say
Slightly off topic. And I found this sad. The Father of Fallout, Tim Cain, said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "Welp, it's Bethesdas' IP now. They can do whatever they want." I was very disappointed that he didn't call out the retconning or defend the lore.
It definitely is sad. If we think about it, the reason we have Fallout is because Wasteland was shelved for over two decades before seeing a sequel. People were forced to walk away from that franchise too. Unfortunately losing connection with things you poured your soul and blood, sweat, and tears into is just something you learn to except when working in that kind of industry. He’s probably walked away from a lot of things he loves over the years.
Time to just disregard everything after New Vegas
@@surlyunicorn9461actually that's because EA took the Wasteland IP and made the more retarded sequel ever
At least we have Chris Avellone. 👊
Tim Cain defended “lore drift” because it’s hard to keep up with continuity. Like…what? If it’s so hard to maintain your own lore/continuity, then maybe you shouldn’t be handling an IP.
Amazon did more damage in 8 episodes than Bethesda has been able to do with 3 games.
It would be impressive... if it weren't so depressing.
It makes Paramount's non-canon Halo tv show like a pill easier to swallow despite still having that "disgusting", to put it lightly, 343 Ind. flavor. One simple decision of making separate timeline and life is great again, even if games and entire IP are in terrible condition already.
@@FelixRaychernot that it matters because the main timeline has been irreparably ruined anyway imo with every single theme either thrown out or actively reversed and all the clever thematic and narrative decisions retconned in favor of the dumbest chosen one bullshit I've ever seen in fiction
I like how the show runners deflect criticism by saying "Time's passed, things don't stay the same forever". No one wants things to stay the same, but maybe they should use "things change" to add to the world instead of tearing everything down, ironically creating a wasteland where things stay the same forever.
There's a PCGamer article that describes exactly that.
Paraphrasing here:
The showrunners said that the wasteland changes and no one group will stay the same over time, yet neither the show nor the games displays any actual change from the day the apocalypse happened. Everything still looks like ruins.
except its been the same script since Morrowind
"Lore drift" is fine as long as it doesn't drift on the brown side.
The British didn’t destroy the native Americans and replace them with their own culture, they just added to the lore and anyone who disagrees is an Iroquois federation purist
@@SirMirror890 Based.
Erm, Todd Howard said New Vegas is still canon, chud.
Todd "It Just Works" Howard?
Erm, Todd Howard said that he has a very deep respect for New Vegas. Maybe quit complaining, Glazer.
@@simplyhoodieThe man that repeated lie about their games yeah sure I'll belive him
@@simplyhoodie
Erm, eye sea watt ewe did their!
😉
@@simplyhoodie i mean he personally might feel anything he wants about New Vegas, but so far we've seen none of that love to be a part of any action of Bethesda
The worst retcons of the Fallout TV Show *yet*
I love how a key part of Dean Domino's character is that he thinks Sinclair was a scumbag, the joke being that Sinclair was actually a really nice guy, but Dean's massive ego couldn't comprehend it.
Then the show made him a crazy scumbag, worse than anything Dean did.
Being a fan of OG and NV is starting to feel like self harm, I feel like I’m losing my mind watching people lap up the toddslop
Just wait until Microsoft starts having an influence.
Call them the true fallout trilogy, we don't talk about the bugthesda rejects.
@@user-li2yv5je5egenuine question but how much more do you think Microsoft can fuck Bethesda games ? It’s not like there isn’t micro transaction already…
B... but my favorite youtuber said its good
I hate weak-minded people following trendy herd-opinions.
Mr H said he liked it, and his comment section disagreed. Then when others said they would review it, he went on Twitter to say 'watch out, people will hate you if you say you like it'
All my favorite CZcamsrs said it’s bad. They clearly didn’t even watch the show. It’s a good show for fallout fans. All my favorite CZcamsrs who hated the show aren’t fallout fans. I’ve subbed to arch for almost a decade. Bro isn’t a fallout fan. He’s never played the originals. Same with synthetic man. The originals came out before he was born. He only started playing the originals because of the show.
"Tim Cain liked it so therefore it is good, suck it haters!"
Holy shit, same Icon!
“B…buT tHe oRiGiNaL cReAtOr of fAlLoUt LiKeS tHe sHoW sO tAkE ThAt cHuD”
George Lucas wrote the original trilogy, but he also thought Jar Jar binks and all the bad writing in the prequels were a great idea.
I don't want to bash Tim too much because he seems like a cool guy, but come on, we can all see what's going on here. He had his peak as a developer more than 20 years ago and the industry largely forgot about him. Now he's being invited to the Hollywood for the premiere, he has drinks with Todd Howard, the red carpet is rolled out for him as the creator of Fallout...so of course he's not going to trash talk the show.
And again, I'm saying this with respect for him.
I love that people will point to this. If tim cain spoke out against the show he would have been blacklisted from the industry and he would have lost communication to bethesda execs
@SMJSmoK Exactly on point. I think Tim is great but this is clearly what the case is.
If you got a porcentaje of every dollar this shitshow makes, then You would also claim to love it
The Fallout has never been serious argument is like saying Diablo was never serious because the secret cow level was a thing. It's simply absurdist.
Or that Silent Hill was never serious because of those Joke endings with the dog and the UFO and the Birthday party.
I know. especially with a video game where all the goofy easter eggs and jokes are optional, if someone just focuses on the main quests they would never run into these jokes. most of the time the only way someone finds these wacky easter eggs is if they go out of their way to look for them.
Tell them to go play the first fallout and then say it’s not serious and see how many people laugh at them
@@NeedlesIsmydaddyTbf the first fallout isn’t that serious, the amount of silly shit in that game is what makes it great. The ghoul dialogue is always my favorite.
@@HakimE-ku3yl it’s more serious than most of the new fallouts if not all
Remember that even as house is dying when you take him out of the pod he's still concerned about mankinds future.
This was his goal in life that he had been working towards for 200 years. He was cruel at times, sure, but he was anything but a stupid rich guy that wanted to sit on his throne of money.
Even the note you get after his deaths makes you feel bad titled "a tradegy has befallen all mankind" and it goes to say how humanity is truly doomed.
The resource wars were the backstory of Fallout. That element of the story alone was the result of greed and overconsumption. That alone is a decent enough expression of “Capitalism Bad”. But funny enough, plenty of people don’t get it.
Hey CZcams, why can’t I see and respond to someone who responded to me?!! The person disagreed and we could have had some great discussion!
For me Creetosis is the only sane person who sees and tells the truth about this show. Without you I wouldn't have coped with devastation upon watching this disaster.
Check out Mauler's video on the show! Its really good! I'm working on my own breakdown of the show, but it will take a while to come out.
@@Creetosis you did a great job. Watched Mauler's video as well but I still miss Mister Caption. Would have loved watching him dissecting this abomination piece by piece.
@@khajaazharuddinsiddiqui4844 would have been amazing
Bethesda damaged Fallout so hard too the point it became a borderlands knockoff
Fallout 2 did that lol
@@DitzyBear
Sure
@@DitzyBearcouple of jokes and references doesn't make the whole game silly, it's still serious.
@@russianoverkill3715 Now, that I agree with you on.
Seeing all the people praising this show like it's one of the greatest video game adaptation and saying that it's on par with Arcane makes me feel like Sam Neill on the blue bus in In the Mouth of Madness.
It’s actually the best videogame adaptation, name 1 better.
If you say “The Last of Us” I’m laughing at you.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Arcane comes to mind. Hell, even the animated Mario movie is a better adaptation that Amazon's Fallout.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 TLOU was a piece of shit and only smooth brains liked it
@@MannyNamiroFallout wasn’t perfect but was better than both Arcane and TLOU imo. But I did find both of those shows to be pretty average
The cope about the Fall of Shady Sands is ridiculous. Historically speaking, the "fall of a city" refers to one of two things: the city being destroyed, or the city being captured by enemy forces (either permanently or just long enough to loot it). Anything less (even something very important like being devastated by plague or being eclipsed in economic/trade value) would probably not be referred to as a "Fall". The word implies defeat.
The fall means autumn means it was the autumn of shady sands in 2077
@@mysampleid That would at least be funny
As much as I agree with this, there can be some grey area in the usage of the word, I have seen "fall" used to describe the decline of something, but of course the main usage is in defeat, if the writers really meant a decline of the city, they should have used "downfall" that would have more accurately communicated that there was a decline, beginning in that year, but if that were the case you would have to portray on the timeline that the downfall spans a period of years before the bomb is dropped, which again like cretosis said there should be a date on the day of the bombing.
That’s literally not true at all 😂 Rome “fell” multiple times.
Do you remember history class? No sane person sees an arrow on a timeline and thinks that’s the end of the timeline 😂 you know how arrows on lines work, right? It means the line is extended. Simple math, simple timeline reading.
Do we all remember elementary geometry and how lines work?
What I find funny with the arguement about fAlLoUt WaS nEvEr SeRiOuS, is that in the Fallout universe there literally was a NUCLEAR APOCALYPSE that killed billions of people. And some lucky or rather unlucky people got to be part of the Vaults that were no more than human experiment chambers.
They’ve fucked up the ratio, there should be hints of humour in a very dark story
@@bno6156 100% agreed.
what these people don't understand, is that a story doesn't need to be a full comedy to have light moments. like, have the people who make the argument ever seen Fallout 1, they don't even need to play the game, just watching a few cutscenes would be enough to let them know the tone of the setting.
(and before anyone brings up Fallout 2. that game had a messy development and even back then people complained that there was too much comedy in it)
Fallout fans: this new company that got our franchise is retconning everything good and ruining it with nonsense writing!
Halo and Star Wars fans: First time?
“Don’t worry you get used to it after a while.”
The amount of attention that went into the making of this show was honestly baffling. The amount of things that not only contradict the games but the show itself as well as common sense and logic is just astonishing. I thought that we’d seen the worst of Bethesda but I was wrong, so wrong.
Common sense and logic
Ahhh yes….classic fallout….logical….
Name a contradiction
I'm surprised it's only 55 minutes long.
The full breakdown will be much longer.
@@Creetosis
@@Creetosis i cant wait!
@Creetosis it better be 800,000 hours long ! And if not then you better get that jelly mold out of here
The issue is that Todd succeeded with his soft reboot of Fallout 4, the majority of the fans are post-4 Le whacky reddit theme park consuumers.
Fallout 3 was the attempt, fallout 4 was the money. It's casual, you don't think about what you're doing.
@@valance10Fallout 3 kind of stayed true to classics, but it was a start.
@@russianoverkill3715 They should've set it closer to the bombs, made no sense for it to be 200 years after
@@valance10 with 3 it feels like they wanted it both ways. The wanted the world to feel like the bombs dropped recently and they wanted to include familiar factions due to brand recognition.
I hate the idea the setting has to be locked in stasis with no progress. Then why fucking bother if status quo is dogshit everyone dies. The nuking of Shady Sands is just the writers admitting they can't do anything but the BoS/Deathclaw/Super Mutant/Ghoul theme park ride that advances nothing
I joked about them bringing back the Enclave again and they did. I could actually predict how uncreative they would be
@@anotherbig976 I'm surprised they didn't have the BIG ENCLAVE POWER ARMOR AND PLASMA GUNS!!!!! but just EEEEEVVILLLL scientists who don't even try to retrieve the tech they knew was missing, the enclave is sissified in the show, probably in season 2 they'll have the power armor, the hellfire power armor or whatever, and "X-01/X-02" , they have a higher budget for season 2 I think so they'll be sure to make it shiny and glowy and sparkly for all the norms
"War, War never changes" used to be about the importance of resources and how conflict always boils down to a fight over resources.
Bethesda now seems to believe it simply means that war never goes away.
It was much deeper than that, it was looking at humanity as whole, no matter what time period or state of the world humans will always find something to war over whether it's resources, competing ideologies, race, religion etc, so while everything thing else may change, war never does.
@@Sumoniggro
If you listen to the original opening in Fallout 1, the narrator places resources at the core of why wars are fought.
Different factions want to manage and use resources differently.
The economic and political structure determines a lot of how one wants to use resources while factions also require certain resources to keep their communities protected or the expand.
The Great War was caused because of resource shortages around the entire world, which is why China invaded Aleska, The US invaded Canada and why the Chinese launched their nuclear weapons.
Now even after the Great War with new nations rising, resources are still the reason for conflict.
The Legion wants the Mojave for slaves, manpower and wealth. The NCR wants new taxpayers to keep their state alive. Their need for resources are what drive them both toward New Vegas and Mr. House wants to protect his resources from the NCR and Legion.
Because of this need for resources, conflict will always arise and it is why war never changes.
A big part of the og Fallout idea was that ideology is often just a mask to gather and justify taking resources. America was supposedly democratic and for freedom, but once the resource crisis hit they threw all that out the window and annexed Canada.
The NCR is supposedly also about freedom and democracy but the real reason they are in New Vegas is because their need for resources demand new territories and the wealth of New Vegas.
Bethesda ignores this need for resources. In Fallout 4, what resources are really the factions fighting over?
One can say the synths are a resource but the Railroad don’t view them that way. Furthermore, the Minutemen are disinterested in the Synth question all together.
Fallout 4 reeks of ‘Hey this AI thing is kinda cool, let’s make the conflict over that’. Here it truly is just ideological, the need for resources are hardly present.
The OG Fallout presented a rather bleak but realist view of political order. Bethesda actually had this element in Fallout 3 but now they have completely forgotten it
@@Sumoniggroit’s right in the original speech even
“Rome waged for slaves and territory. Spain wage war for its lust for gold. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower”
@@sirnilsolav6646ehhhh, it was one part of a whole. The ultimate dilemma of fallout is human nature and the consequences of it. Seen in the sheer fact choices you make that seem good can have inverse consequences and vice versa
@@SumoniggroThe master says it himself in 1. "So long as we have differences we will tear ourselves apart fighting each other"
Bethesda shouldn't have made the Fallout TV series canon.
Bethesda shouldn't have made the Fallout TV series
Bethesda shouldn't have had existed
@@Idazmi7 I completely agree. Its garbage and should have NEVER been a concept to begin with.
It's not canon though.
Remember cree that Star Wars was never serious because that one stormtrooper bump his head on the door in the OT
It's good for memes to dunk on people who think everything should be considered comedies.
It's a kids movie about space wizards ... world war three can't come fast enough.
@@Sumoniggro We can dunk on many brainlets if we tell them they made good jokes, if whatever nonsense they say is meant to be sincere.
@@SumoniggroGeorge only called it kids movies to excuse his horrible writing decisions.
This is unironically what Disney fanboys believe, though. Modern Disney has canonised complete rubbish like Stormtroopers not being able to aim, TIE fighters being trash, Mandalorians being peaceful graffiti artists, other births through the Force beyond Anakin, etc.
"Somehow the Enclave returned"
Somehow Palpatine returned energy.
The people who made this show really don't believe anything matters, do they? I guess Todd Howard feared being beheaded or something, if he expressed skepticism or mild disapproval of this.
There is no hope. Leave now, leave while you still have hope...
People that will defend Bethesda's Fallout to their last breath while claiming to be long time fans of the franchise are the same type of people that need to interact with the world through a six foot layer of irony to defend their egos.
You do realize that you can be a fan of all of the games and simply just not care that much about lore continuity.
Saying the classic games are silly because of talking brahmin and the tardis is like saying silent hill 2 is a comedy because of the dog ending
These fallout show defenders seem to think if a post-apoclyptic isnt as dark and depressing and hopeless as the road or metro isnt at all serious is a 13 iq opinion
It's really dumb of Bethesda and the producers of this to have such cynicism for the world after ours is nuked.
I'm guessing you guys didn't watch the show
@@aaroncabatingan5238 no i watched it
It's funny how New Vegas plays with the idea of dialectics, as seen with the 2 opposites Caesar/NCR - House. But let's you pick if you want to give up your agency to a big faction, or not "No Gods, no Masters".
While the show is actively taking a part in it with "muh Capitalism baaaaad" and proceeds to bash you on the head with retardation. It's funny when the show runners are being paid by the biggest corporation ever.
Yea because fallout has never had capitalist critical themes...
@@magiv7573 It was a part of the backstory, but not the heart of the series. Plus, it being there doesn't justify ruining the series' main point, being about human nature.
@CantusTropus it's always been a relevant theme but pretending it permeates the 3 main storyline is disingenuous
Capitalist critique and commentary of human nature also go I here try hand in hand as the reason for capitalism flaws in many of the story's is how it gives way to the worst aspects of human nature
@@magiv7573 the entire og series can be viewed as a criticism of the conflict between Capitalism and Communism.
The war between China and the U.S, in game, arose from a need to maintain the already existing technological and societal levels of each side.
@greensoldier2142 yea you're right
I don't see what you're trying to get at though?
We get a lot more focus on the capitalist nature of the conflict because that's the part we're only ever really exposed to
There's also reason to believe that we don't have accurate information on the communist states either because there being good old fashioned propaganda is a safe assumption
Tldr yea, it's a multifaceted critique that shifts the spotlight depending on a given story or theme
Original Fallout was always clear on its canon, no CC, no kids in refrigerators. The absurd was well known to be non canon.
Some friends of mine put it best:
"This show is just Bethesda being salty that New Vegas is better than anything they've produced"
I’d argue with Morrowind
@@mysampleid Yeah you right
Thank you for being a true fan. For caring enough about something to criticize and engage with things, rather than "turn your brain off" and just accept everything, no matter the quality (or lack thereof).
It's upsetting how many people have said I must not like Fallout because I don't like the show, or "the series isn't for you". Meanwhile, when I try ask what people enjoyed about it, the answers are strangely vague: "they got the vibes right" or "it was a good video game adaptation". I have yet to see someone be able to discuss what they enjoyed about it in-depth.
He was so much a true fan, that he not understand the ideology of House and what he wanted to do with the Mohave aka privatising everything, and everyone that disagree with face his securitrons if he not had his way, that why he wanted the chip in first place.
@@TheKeyser94 Yes, and? House basically wants to be the magnanimous, celebrated king of New Vegas. Even if he's dishonest about his motivations, it doesn't change his goals. it doesn't change the fact that how he's portrayed in the show utterly undercuts his character in the game.
Like, yes, obviously the Howard Hughes / Walt Disney stand-in has delusions of grandeur and an exaggerated sense of self-importance. He's willing to go to great and terrible lengths to achieve his vision. I don't think that means he doesn't genuinely want the human race to survive and thrive (with House as its "visionary" caretaker).
He wants HIS path forward to succeed because he's an ambitious technocrat / business magnate, and nuking everything and everyone back to the stone age is, in fact, counter to that goal.
@@incidentalconspiracy I was speaking about the game, fuck the show, seeing that Creetosis have no idea of the ideology of House and portray him as the "saviour" of humanity when he was self subservient from the very beginning, I not think that being altruistic is having an army of killer robots destroying any dissidence to his ambitions.
I agree with basically everything in this video... But he's kinda just screaming into the void at this point.
The Bethesda fanboys and uncaring consumers far and away outnumber anyone who actually cares about franchise integrity, so none of this will likely matter in the end as Bethesda takes all the money and praise from the show and just keeps on trucking, not having to give a single d*mn about any of this.
And I will continue to scream into the void, because I care about this franchise.
Worth it, we love creetosis long vids
What defenders keep overlooking is Lucy said her mother died in the “plague” of 77 her father nuked Shady Sands and claimed her mother died when she was 6 years old. Without the Fallout paint job it was terribly written plot holes and main characters having heavy plot holes.
What is to defend there? That Lucy is 25yo? Or that 2277 people from 33 started going out? And "plague" was 31 cover up they used to recover and proclaim those who went out "starved" (including Rose). 5yrs after all that Shady got destroyed (nuke or what ever). Everyone says "Indiana Jones" for Max in fridge. Show is mocking "TV plausibility" (fridge will save no one), and since Max flashback didn't show fridge being thrown via blast, they added "ventilator" all part of making fun of how characters survive stuff on TV, while distracting you from IMPORTANT questions: Why did Indiana hide in the fridge, and why did he have time to do that, and why did he even give a chance to hiding in the fridge? Answer those questions, which are also clues that show provided you with, and you will realize that way more happened in Shady Sands than revealed so far.
And that is how almost entire season 1 was made: clues that show how "apparent story", or at least some elements of it, don't really add up. And it is like that on purpose..
funny how all the “evolutions” to the lore are at the expense of all the things associated with the old interplay/Obsidian games. Mfs really said “we nuked shady sands cos we wanted to keep the post apocalyptic feel” meanwhile they’re shoving a technologically advanced military with iron man armour and airships down our throats every chance they get
Lmao
For how bleak metro 2033 was, it was more hopeful than fallout
No progression allowed, let's keep skeletons lying around our neighborhood
Artyom the protagonist was around kindergartner age when the nuclear war occurred and he's in his early 30s when Metro Exodus ended. So within a single generation post nuclear Russia, despite only having real world beatnik early 2000s tech *at best,* 9th Circle of Hell levels of winter weather every year, and is infested with extremely dangerous mutated wildlife, has already recovered to Fallout 1 levels of rebuilding.
Meanwhile in Bethesda exclusive Fallouts and this show, 200+ have passed and the post nuclear US still looks like it just got bombed a week ago...
@@DJWeapon8 my first fallout game was fallout 4, as I wandered around the wastes before meeting Codsworth, I thought I came out of the vault several months later after the bombs fell
The open world was amazing but it didn't felt like it was set in 200 years later
@@buwad523that’s my biggest grip with F4 and Bethesda vision of the IP. Frankly i feel like they should focus on making game in an earlier part of the timeline since it would fit better the fact they want to create post apocalyptic games and not post post apo.
@@azzarnthelizard they sorta did with fallout 3, there's so many things in fallout 3 that doesn't make sense if it's set 200 years after the bombs
Finally, someone with actual points and not just "show gud because game reference".
Remember, they nailed the show because member berries
What? Don't you know fallout is just about wacky humor, old music, and caps? must not've been paying attention...
@@toffee3944it’s about silliness and roleplaying in a silly world.
You ever play fallout 2? It’s the silliest of all the games 😂
Fallout 3 is straight depressing compared to fallout 2
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 So silly!!!!
having Sinclair be old and fat is so weird when you consider he and Vera are meant to be dating and actually be in love
Mr house actor looked more like sinclair than mr house
Vera never loved him though, but making him fat and old is very weird.
@@johanbjorkman1914 Because old fat white dude means rich.
At this point in the franchise, Bethesda might as well change the fallout tagline to "Lore... lore always changes."
The show retcons FO1 by putting multiple easily-spotted Vaults within a day's travel of the HQ of the faction whose entire purpose was busting open Vaults to get at the "pure-strain" humans inside, and makes no mention of that faction (The Master) or its main theme (Super Mutants) ever existing.
It retcons FO2 by pretending Vault 8 never existed - the Vault that Bud and his Buds would have known was there expressly to do what Vaults 31, 32, and 33 were supposed to do - only centuries "ahead of schedule", since Bud's plan was for there to be NO ONE topside by the time his Vaults opened up. Vault 8 also joined up with the NCR as one of the States of the Republic. So his "plan" would require no one at Vault-Tec mentioning either Vault 8 or any of the OTHER Vaults whose mission was to "rebuild America" just decades after the bombs. This also retcons Fallout 76, incidentally.
It retcons FO3, which ends with the Brotherhood of Steel continuing to war with the Super Mutants well past 2281 - when Todd tells us Shady Sands was nuked. Problem is, we see Maximus leaving his fridge immediately after Shady Sands is nuked, and there's a Brotherhood Knight with the EAST COAST BoS logo on his chest. Arthur Maxson wouldn't even take control of the East Coast BoS until two years later, and it's not for years after that before the Prydwhen is the first airship the BoS builds, using the reactor from Rivet City. There is zero explanation for how the East Coast BoS, which should still be fighting Shepherd's Super Mutant army in Washington DC, is already back in California, and there is no sign of (or reference to) any of the West Coast (or Nevada) chapters of the BoS in the show.
It retcons FO4 by asserting Vault-Tec set off the bombs, when in FO4 you can find USAF reports tracking Chinese missiles inbound, and before that, the Chinese Navy putting to sea (and the US losing track of its stealth subs). You can even find a Chinese sub, with some of its missiles launched, in Boston Harbor, AND MEET THE CAPTAIN. All of this is thrown out, presumably because Amazon did not want its show banned from the lucrative Chinese market.
As to New Vegas, it's more retconned than most people even talk about. If nothing else, Frederick Sinclair is now CEO of what in the games was not a corporation, but a US government think-tank. We're expected to believe he ran Big MT and therefore knowingly experimented on his own property as well as himself. House's remark about Sinclair "losing money running a casino" fell particularly flat because HIS CASINO NEVER OPENED.
It's pretty clear that, no, there was little to no consideration regarding lore or timeline. Much of the writing comes across as "Writer Opens Wikipedia, Cribs Notes". This isn't about "New Vegas Fans Versus Bethesda Fans", it's Bethesda fans who don't even pay attention to the Bethesda games fighting with everyone else who raises any issues at all.
I miss the unity :(
@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638 Vault Dweller should have kept his f*cking mouth shut... the Master just needed a few more test subjects. If the Unity conquered the wasteland, none of this would have happened! :))))))))
There's also no reason for House to accept any level of blame for the nuclear holocaust, even in terms of personal failure, if he KNEW Vault-Tec was behind it. He would simply have said what happened in the show and that they acted faster than he expected. In New Vegas, he retroactively comes across as needlessly blaming himself for no reason.
What's really hilarious is that the people who love this show can't actually say why they love the show
Of course they cannot, they are consumer shills.
I have only ever heard "ITS SO GOOD/AMAZING" or "It sucks" I have NEVER heard an in-between assessment
Whenever I see people praise the show it's because "omggg the hecking REFERENCES brooo!!!"
The show was filmed in Canada. In Fallout Canada was annexed territory of the U.S.
They could have just had it take place in Canada and done whatever the fuck they wanted.
To tell you the truth. When I heard about Microsoft shutting down studios, I was disappointed.
Disappointed that Bethesda wasn't included.