Why I Left Clickfunnels... And Where I Migrated My Membership Site To...
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- This Clickfunnels review shares why I left Clickfunnels, the bugs and CF support issues that caused me to migrate my site away. this is an important video for any potential click funnels customers.
Why I Left Clickfunnels... And Where I Migrated My Membership Site To: www.milesbeckler.com/why-i-lef...
Now my marketing stack consists of Wordpress on Thrive Themes, Thrive Cart, Active Campaign, Active Member 360. I call this the 'DIY Sales Funnel' approach and cover it in depth at www.diysalesfunnel.com
If you want to learn how to setup a funnel in Thrive Themes I created a 10 video series that shows step-by-step how to create a click funnels alternative, which you can find here : • Best DIY ClickFunnels ...
The organization on that playlist is a little rough for those DIY sales funnel videos, so I created a blog post that hosts everything in a easier to follow order www.milesbeckler.com/clickfun...
I mention my membership funnel that is doing really well... This is mainly because of the funnel structure itself (not the software that runs the funnel) If you want to know how that is setup in detail, go here: www.milesbeckler.com/six-figur...
The idea that you are one funnel away… Or that somehow the sales funnel is the big solution that will save you and your business is completely false. Sales funnels can definitely be helpful but they are simply a tool.
There have been dozens of new sales funnels software's released this year and I put up a video to help share an analogy to put this sales funnel gold rush into perspective • ⚠ WARNING ⚠ Avoid This...
Whether you build your funnel on click funnels, lead pages, WordPress, or with basic HTML pages the software is an insignificant component.
Your offer, your messaging, the trust you built with your audience is ultimately the key to your success with your sales funnel.
Want to share this video, here is the link: • Why I Left Clickfunnel... - Jak na to + styl
Clickfunnels is growing a MASSIVE army of affiliates, so there is a ton of hype and buzz about it... But honestly it is still buggy!
Dear Miles, would you please share the link to your paid course? Thanks, great videos.
No paid course... Just layin it all out here on CZcams for free as clearly as I can.
How do you have less than 2k subscribers? Your material is like hidden treasure here on youtube. Thank you for taking the time.
Miles Beckler Yeah, in chat they like to say "This is how it works" instead of "this is an obvious bug, thanks for reporting it". They need a publicly accessible bug tracker, like any application. ClickFunnels is actually sort of awesome compared to some funnel makers, really (minus the membership area part), but they need to take software development far more seriously. I also notice that they use Intercom for promotional emails, whereas they should be using Actionetics. That's just ridiculous. They need to "dogfood" everything they sell, like a real software company.
True Very Buggy System
LOL I've been WP the whole time, was looking at ClickFunnels but realized with my tech background I didn't need it, still love learning from Russell though!
He is a brilliant marketer, for sure!
Hi Miles, great information. I am raw-handed. I have purchased Thrive Architect.
What is the difference between Thrive Architect and Thrive Theme and why one needs both? I want to be able to use WooCommerce, eventually. Will Thrive Theme / TA integrate with Woo Commerce? Many thanks.
Thanks Miles! I've been playing around with different methods aside from the affiliate branding I'm growing through this channel but I've been experimenting through CPA Marketing in Maxbounty and really know theres potential within Facebook ads for conversions but haven't quit got the key in the right slot to unlock it. primarily I'd like to be able to promote the offer in the ad with the link acting as a 301 redirect, but without the hassle of creating a website for it or coding landing pages. Do you recommend any software or structures on how you run some pretty successful funnels through facebook ads? would love your insight!
Using WordPress makes everything pretty simple once you get the hang of it… Creating 31 redirects in 307 redirects is as easy as entering or link, new link in a plug-in in a WordPress site and boom it's there.
This video series will show you how to create a funnel on WordPress with the theme I use: www.milesbeckler.com/wordpress-funnel
One tip… Build an email list! Sounds like your direct linking people from Facebook to CPA which yes might work, that's how I made my first money online… But the moment Facebook gets what you're doing though put a stop to it and your income will disappear completely if you don't have a list. If you send people from Facebook to your list then to the CPA offer you can send them to several CPA offers through your follow-up sequins and when Facebook flips the script on you you still have your email list meaning you still have an asset that can create income for you even though the game has changed
Hi Miles, thank you for posting and sharing. Question what video of yours do you recommend to learn what sales funnels are and how to do them? I dont have my website in Wordpress.. thanks for the help!!
Are we able to create membership course navigation on the left like how ClickFunnel does? I like the way how the navigation works that neat and simply. Thanks in advance.
Miles, this is a great video. I have been using Thrive Themes for sometime. Apart from it being a great product, the training and support is way above anything that I have seen. They always are working to improving their product and always are listening to their customers so they can have a premium tool that they proud of.
Totally agree
I've used upwork for other tasks, but how do I go about finding a quality developer for my wordpress site and how much should I be paying to migrate my clickfunnels content to a thrivetheme site? Thanks. Love your videos.
it all depends on what country they are in and what their level of expertise is.I assume you could find someone in the US for $20-$35 per hour if you are looking in the Philippines you could probably find someone for $10-$15 per hour. I look at past references/reviews and the comments
Hey Miles. Question how does the login form and edit profile look with ac360 and thrive? I have thrive themes, tc and use ac. The thing about thrive themes is they strip some css and then the forms look like 1997 old. I want front end editing and no admin bar view. Thanks and thanks for sharing your experience.
Right now, the log in page is the wordpress login page.... Gotta get our logo on there and get rid of that W... lol.
There is no admin bar and they don't have an edit profile page yet... But, with that said, I will be adding on BuddyPress and think they will get all kinds of new profile functionality, I believe.
I don't know if the no admin bar was standard or if my integration guy did that... If you want any help with customizing your setup, I highly recommend Dave at www.integratepro.com he did a lot with AM360 and WP for me.
Great information, Question: if I already have a WordPress account, website and domain, do I still need to sign up for thrive themes?
Thank you for the clarity
Miles, appreciate your video here. Thanks for cutting through the hype. We also use a wordpress based system. Our community area is built on a protected forum. We actually put all our courses in forums, just embed the video and links and boom, got a course. Its awesome being in TOTAL control of your platform.
We actually tried the all in on the forum at one point, it was a little confusing for our older demographic.... LOL. I know James Schram Co. is very successful with the forum-based product delivery and teaches that to his students.
Nothing like being in total control! :D
Thank you so much for the great advice! I'm going to thrive now! Love the content!
You will be glad you did! all of my content on how to set up Thrive is here: www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative
happy new year Miles great post, what is click funnels? as a company what is it? a type of template for a website? a hosting company? aka lead generation? or a membership company? they have two plans 297$ and & 97$?
Significant Clickfunnels info, which I understand many people had wished that they knew earlier. Thanks for posting this.
you are welcome
Biggest Unicorn yeah! I’ve had a nightmare with both clickfunnels and Steve Larsen’s Program!
With their monthly payment system being buggy, should I just use another service to take care of that part specifically and integrate it into ClickFunnels? Do they allow that?
I do believe it's possible to integrate a different payment system... When I started the migration, I thought I was can leave click funnels in place for part and integrate another system to work with click funnels. The integration specialist I hired had warned me against this approach because it created unnecessary complexity which leaves room for problems in the future. His recommendation was to move to a unified system that was stable and rely on one system to handle everything.... And now that I've completed the migration I am so thankful I did!
Really love the value you're giving in your videos man. I'm getting ready to launch my first membership product in a few months and I'm currently hunting for the best website to do everything I need.
It's definitely worth a little extra time researching and finding the one that can support you in your long-term growth.
What would you suggest? I also am starting and have minimal startup amount to invest in my business.
Content marketing and list building is exactly how we started... We had no money to invest at first... So we invested our time and energy creating content to build an audience.
Do you have an Autoresponder in addition to those products you mention OR does your List reside inside those products somewhere?? Any comments welcome and thanks for sharing Miles.
3rd party autoresponder... I recommend Aweber for people who aren't yet at the $10k/mo mark: www.milesbeckler.com/aweber
Was just considering Thrive or CF. Thanks for your story it helped. If you don't mind Miles, what would be the best affiliate solution to integrate with active member 360, cannot see anything about affiliate integration on their site? Thanks
Hey Tony, thanks for the comment... So I'm using Thrive card to manage the checkout process and they just rolled out an affiliate module that works with Thrive cart. You drop a couple of resources/links here below for you if you want more information.
First I just completed a post on my site about Thrive or ClickFunnels; which goes a bit deeper as a direct comparison, here: www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
then I want to introduce you to my integration guy who actually got the active member working with Thrive the way I wanted (and helped me get going on Thrive cart) during this transition… His name is Dave and he is at www.integratepro.com
he is super helpful and super friendly but most importantly incredibly smart when it comes to integrating multiple systems together and making different systems communicate with each other the way they should! If you reach out to him tell him Miles sent you.
Thanks for sharing this info. Nice to hear a product review that's not an affiliate pitch. I recently retired as a mechanical designer in Canada and moved to Thailand in order to start my next chapter in life. Right now I'm researching the idea of helping small businesses develop conversion optimized single landing page style websites they can use in ad campaigns. Found your CZcams channel about a week ago and watched probably 50% of your videos already. Thanks for doing a great job, love the info you've been putting out. Two thumbs up!
My pleasure Dean! Sounds like I just missed you in Thailand... Are you in Chiang Mai? If so have you found Johnny's nomad coffee club meetup yet?
This is brilliant.... "helping small businesses develop conversion optimized single landing page style websites they can use in ad campaigns"
I would add a 2nd page to that and maybe a third (One Time Offer and Upsell) but this really is brilliant.
Helping businesses that throw away money on branding based advertising (with no tracking) and focus on direct response marketing with a measurable ROI is a massive opportunity.
Then it leads into all kinds of other potential services you can outsource and sell or bring partners on to fulfill... Copywriting, PPC campaigns, etc.
And with your mechanical engineering background I can only see benefit in organization and structuring of everything... I mean... Why not use CAD to build a funnel? :D
The affiliate pitch is there, just more subtle. When you go to his site for ThriveCart, you get redirected to an affiliate link that costs $595 for that 1 tool as an example.
How are you tracking analytics of clicks on page, clickfunnels offers such great analytics especially when managing an affiliate program and tracks actual sales. How do you do this with Thrive?
Google analytics mainly. Obviously I've got my Facebook pixel installed and I cross-reference my hard data from the email list and my shopping cart.
My shopping cart handles all of the affiliate program tracking and even the PayPal mass pay, super easy.
Thank you
Hi Miles
Is the wordpress/thrive theme setup good for physical products
ecommerce/dropshiiping/shopify or is there any clickfunnels alternative for the same.
Woocommerce is probably better
Wow so grateful for this video... I'm a self-published author and I would like to create online courses and membership site. I tried New Kajabi, Teachable and Thinkific but as you said, I would like more control. I considered LearnDash or Whislist Member plug-in but not sure because I also need to consider what's the best email marketing company to start plus landing pages... I feel tired to be honest, so I can imagine how hard was for you using Click Funnels and then migrate everything. Today I was watching Click Funnels videos and almost buy, and all of the sudden your video showed up... I'm using Avada Theme for my website already.
LearnDash is a cool wordpress based system! Looked at it and it didn't fit my needs but could work well for a course that is more educational...My membership is more like access to lots of stuff, so didn't need the learning side!
Here is a how to series with the theme and how to setup the funnel stuff in wordpress: www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
If you want professional help from the guy who helped me brainstorm the right solution for my needs and implement it, reach out to Dave at IntegratePro.com use the contact link on his site and if you say Miles told you to reach out, he'll do a free skype call to help you figure out what works.
He is my go-to person for help with my membership, getting the cart tied in, the email list, etc... Definitely a key player on my team!
I did an interview with him if you want to vibe him out: czcams.com/video/Wrz00t_S1p0/video.html
Thank you again. I subscribed since yesterday to your channel and now I'm reading your site and watching other videos. Great content!👍
I think I'll reach out to Dave as well if you don't mind
Are there Thrive Theme membership templates (similar to what I've heard called "child themes?")? If so, where do I find them?
I'm building (or will pay to have built) my first membership site (although it is by necessity a bit complex, with multiple layers of memberships, as well as a few courses that are available up-purchases for customers that want to dive deep into a topic).
Thanks!
+Steven Thrasher Thrive has several themes that work on their framework... I go more in depth and show inside the Thrive themes member's area in this video: m.czcams.com/video/YsUNFZhqkEA/video.html
Thank you so much! I'm just starting out and I don't know what I'm doing! I have the 14-day trial at Click Funnels but I'm at day 1. I will continue to look for your videos and watch them! Thanks again!
if you feel like you want an alternative to Clickfunnels I have created a video series that explains how I set up WordPress to do the same thing. All those free videos are on this post www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative
Absolutely LOVE MILES BECKLER.... AMAZING CHAP! THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HONESTY AND ASSISTANCE!
As a WordPress fan, I love this option. We use the Divi 3 theme. Wondering if Thrive Cart integrates well with it.
Thanks.
You would need a plugin to manage access (thrive cart is only a cart) but yes, should work fine!
Hi Miles, i built a pretty rough site using optimizepress 18 months ago, i'm now at a point where i need to redo my site and it definitely needs a good membership option and funnel. Would you suggest that Thrive themes is a better option if i'm considering scrapping most of my old site?
I left OP years ago and am so glad I did... Thrive is what I use so yes, that is what I recommend.
Thanks Miles for this video. I'm doing some research on product launches and CF happened to have a product launch funnel built already. I know I can set all of this up via my WordPress blog but I really don't want to build a funnel or hire someone to do it. Would you recommend CF in this instance?
I guess the simple question is... Are you willing to pay upwards of 10x more (up to $3236/year more) for a less functional and less customizable system that has a pre-built funnel in it?
This post breaks down the costs: www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
This video series shows the 'how to' of building out a ClickFunnels alternative on WordPress if you would like a tutorial: czcams.com/play/PL0sOKzn__yK3iOONk6-QP0Se2G23ZcuWL.html
RideshareDrivingTips.com Thanks Miles! I want 10X RESULTS, not 10X expenses! Lol! I'll check out your links. U Da Man! 😊
Hi Miles, this video has really helped. I also read the article that goes with it at your blog. Thank you for your fantastic review, you covered all the bases. I can't wait to implement your ideas. Many, many, many thanks 🤗
So it’s now 2019 would you still suggest the websites you mentioned over click funnels?
More now than ever... Still on that system... Made my own 2 comma club with it!
Hi Miles. I followed yr advice to a Tee but running into block after block. The AM 360 support ( I went ahead and purchased this membership plugin) contacted me to say they don't support Thrive Apprentice. And the video tutorial you pointed me to was great but he focuses on Learn Dash stacked with 360, AC, Buddy Press, etc. So at a point the video doesn't work for me. I searched your content and can't locate any clear info about how to do this. I've been weeks on this. Can you help or be hired? Or do you have a video that shows how you pulled a thrive theme/Thrive Apprentice/ together with these other plugins (AC & AC360 & Thrive Cart) to drip courses? Thanks.
This is strange and it has happened to a few people... Are you able to simply use WordPress pages to deliver your course? Try seeing if AM360 will successfully 'protect' a regular page next... If so, see if that will work for your delivery.
Another option people go with is using "Learn Dash" like Dave shows in this video: czcams.com/video/8aeepab24_M/video.html
@@MilesB I received a message from Dave. He's going to work with me so looks like this will be solved. We have a meeting Monday. Thanks for all your help.
Thanks ! Very helpful i m just starting in funnel and have your honest point of view very help
Great to hear... Remember that it is a marathon and a sprint... Build it for the long term and a great funnel can reap rewards for YEARS after it is all dialed in. Worth the effort!!!
Hey Miles,
I am just starting to set up a membership based site. I do not have wordpress experience. I don't have a huge budget either. I am wondering if you still recommend all that you did int his video? I want to get this going as quickly as possible without sacrificing quality of course. You thoughts would be appreciated!
- Aaron
This video series shows how to set it all up: czcams.com/play/PL0sOKzn__yK3iOONk6-QP0Se2G23ZcuWL.html
Hey, i was just wondering what websites/programs do you suggest i use for an affiliate marketing program that sells luxury products? I'm interested in creating funnels, building my email list, etc.
This playlist goes into the tools and how to set them all up: czcams.com/video/YsUNFZhqkEA/video.html
Hi Miles-
Thanks for this video! I'm a newbie and currently use Wix (for my landing page and site) and Clickfunnels (for lead generation)for my Career Coaching business and find they are not great to integrate; basically impossible. Do you know if I could essentially do my entire funnel in Wix and just cancel my Clickfunnels subscription? If so, do you recommend any apps to use thru Wix?
Thanks!!
I would not go all in on Wix... They lack professional level tools you need to truly grow. I recommend a WordPress based system using thrive themes... Check out www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative for how to set it up
Miles Beckler I’ve been with WIX for years now... However there pretty rubbish in all honesty! There mobile sites are laughable 😂 so out of date... I’m in the process of leaving them a big see ya in 2018! Click funnels for leads moving forward 👍🏾 Main website Wordpress, Weebly or Square Space 🌍
I have to say that was refreshing! It was impressive that you put out there what "stack" you use to handle your online marketing and sales. I have considered so many from Infusionsoft to Ontraport. I presently signed up for Active Campaign and have a tech guy that I will contact on your suggestions. Thanks again!
Active Campaign an Active Member 360 are working really well together! I'm happy with the stack.
This type of insight is exactly what I was looking for. I'm going to do more research on active member 360
Thanks for your video Miles, I appreciate the great content, Question for you, when you are doing the move, is moving your customer's emails, easy to do, How does that transition work?
As long as they actually opted in, and you reach out to the company you are migrating to before it is usually super simple... Export list from one, import to the other.
Ask to make sure they will let you upload the list and not have to re-confirm since they already confirmed. They 'get it' and can even help import the list, sometimes. But even DIY it is super simple
Miles, what is a good system to use for accepting payment plans? How to put it together on WP? Thanks in advance!
ThriveCart, MemberMouse or SamCart for payments... Used Thrive themes like shown here: www.milesbeckler.com/wordpress-funnel
Question, can I use Thrive themes outside wordpress? Does Thrive Themes work also as an autoresponder? Thank you for your response
No, thrive is built on Wordpress. They work together. Thrive is not an autoresponder. This post may help you understand the pieces to the puzzle better: www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
Can you talk a little about how a wordpress site is able to grant and withdraw access to members when using stripe either as a standalone or with an intermediary like samcart etc for payments? Thanks.
You will pretty much always need a plugin to interface with Samcart/Stripe and your WordPress site. I'm using ActiveMember360 (that connects ActiveCampaign [my email service] and Wordpress) and this is a bit more complex than most beginners need.
MemberMouse is a great option and it eliminates the need for SamCart as it includes the checkout page... You integrate Stripe to MM, integrate your email service to MM and configure it like a normal plugin on Wordpress... Product A gives access to pages /a, /b, /c.... Product B gives access to pages /c, /d, etc.
I signed up for CF only to find that I can pay 97.00 a month to GET customers, then I can pay an ADDITIONAL fee to find out who they are! So, I see CF gets to use my customer's /leads free while I must pay extra. I don't like the slimy feel of that. Am I being too critical?
I'm just starting out as an affiliate I've built my websites using simple Wordpress theme. Although it's pretty responsive, I'm not still not satisfied as the pages are not mobile friendly.
What do you think I should start with and tell me about the migration process from Clickfunnels? I'm just running basic squeeze sites offering ebooks to build mailing list.
Thrive Themes is great for this: www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
great video! thanks for sharing! I use Optimizepress and Amember and I'm very happy
Nice!
Hello, Does Thrive Landing Pages integrate well with ThriveCart? I want to setup a sales funnels, but I'm not sure what Page Bulder app to choose from?
Does Thrive Themes integrate natively with ThriveCart or through scripts?
Thrive cart is a super easy one… There's no real integration required as all you do is include a thrive cart link to your product/checkout page on thrive cart in the button from the sales page. So in that sense it's very simple no real integration simply make the button URL your thrive cart URL... easy cheese
I've just bought it and it's looking awesome cart solution! I'm not a developer, but I can clearly understand almost everything so, hey! Thanks for the advice! I'm a control freak, and thrive landing pages + thrivecart seems the best solution for my needs :)
Thanks again, Beckler.
Yeah, I'm totally impressed with thrive cart! Having used a half dozen or more different shopping carts it was by far the easiest to set up and the easiest to get working which is incredibly important… Their support is really responsive, their Facebook group is fantastic and their owner seems to be really pushing on new features to make it the best of the best
Good content.. I am very new to all this tech info. Is this user friendly for someone just trying to building funnels for email retrieving. I have a an econ business.
yes, the first two videos here show you how to set it up to collect emails www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
I really like this guy. Genuine.
Glad to hear it David.... Not many people willing to ignore the 40% commissions on click funnels and offer some real talk about that platform... Luckily I have a successful business and I'm not financially tied to spreading rumors.
he's one of the few internet marketing gurus who doesn't spam me. great videos too
Thanks for being honest 👍
Hi Miles. I see that you did this video in Jan 2017 and was wondering if you are still using WP as you main funnels?
Hey Miles. Do you know of any way to link sales generated on an Elementor+Thrive Cart page into a Clickfunnels account?
I do enjoy the training products and I'm willing to keep Clickfunnels around if I can get it to track sales for the sales awards.
Do you know if something like that is possible?
No clue.
Are you going to do a thrive theme tutorial. just a thought. thanks Miles
Yes, I plan to do a whole series on that theme... I've got a busy travel schedule and hotels for almost 2 weeks, before I settle in somewhere I can pull that off... But indeed, that is my plan!
Thanks for the suggestion and encouragement!
Do Thrive themes offer a way to do funnels like cf without having to use wordpress? I really hate using wordpress
No. Thrive themes is built on WordPress... You can use a plain HTML site for a funnel and hand code it in notepad if you'd prefer.
Check Thrive demo - while using Thrive Content Builder you actually don't use wordpress. TCB is front-end WYSIWYG. It's fast and genius.
Artur I really appreciate your response. Gonna check it out. Cheers
Hi Miles! Will you please give me links so I can see Thrive Themes and ThriveCart in live working websites?
do you have any opinion on the divi theme? we're using that one and it seems to work pretty well for what we do, I hadn't considered the thrive theme though.
if you have already purchased it, it is good enough to get you into momentum and up to that 10 K per month mark. It is a little slow and clunky though which is why I left it many years ago
If you haven't yet purchased, Thrive is far superior and it's worth purchasing Thrive over Divi
How is click funnels for affiliate marketing?
Thanks for all this great content. I've had to build tech stacks before and had been considering Thrive, but was also looking at CF, but even during demos put together by their customers (like Frank Kern) the bugs are apparent. It's tough to build one-size fits all platforms, and I am a huge fan of WordPress already. But this is my first foray into funnels more complex than hubspot vanilla.
You really nailed it that 'it is tough to build one-size fits all platforms' ....Very true! Wordpress offers that flexibility I like to know I can grow and adapt it as needed in the future. You may enjoy this video where I interview the guy who put together the marketing stack I used to get off Clickfunnels: czcams.com/video/Wrz00t_S1p0/video.html
Hello I'm using S2member plugin for membership. It's quite frustrating to setup it but when you are done it's working really well. The cons is they stripe payment gateway is not sexy. You are stuck with paypal or clickbank.
What about adding on Thrive Cart or Sam Cart to control the look of checkout? That's what I do
Man, I'm so glad I stumbled across this video. I'm a WordPress girl and have been for years. I've been seeing click funnel everywhere and was going to try it out. Lol, not anymore! You've saved me so much time and money. THANKS TO YOU!!
You are welcome
What is it? I know how to code so I probably will stick with WordPress, but curious as to what it is.
Hi Miles, really enjoy your videos & info as it is so confusing and there's so much out there to look at! And i was about to choose CF but now u got me thinking - so I have a specific campaign that is to sell audios - first on specific audio then need an opt-in to collect emails to retarget with new stuff - very simple - what system or what would you suggest?
Wordpress is my go to clickfunnels alternative... My wife and I sell .mp3 files and this is what we use (including how to set it up videos): www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
Hey Miles, I recently found you after joining a course learning about FB marketing. Thank you for all your vids. They are truly amazing content with great value! Wishing you nothing but the best!
It is my pleasure and I'll keep dropping knowledge bombs as often as possible!
I'm not interested in a membership site but more so looking at how it works with Adwords? Can you point adverts to a clickfunnel page or can you insert the click funnels page (HTML) into word press? I know you don't use it anymore but can you answer this question?
You can, but for adwords, Google requires you to have long copy landing pages! Just something to keep in mind. They have a plugin to get it to work with WordPress, but if you are already on wordpress, just going with Thrive Themes would save you a TON and give you the same or more functionality
Miles Beckler You are right. Just spoke to my programmer and he said the same. Thanks Miles. I enjoy your little pop ups on my pc when you release a new video 👍
Subscribed! Thanks for laying it out there. I've never been a fan of monthly memberships, but it's great to have a different perspective from all the others talking CF up. I was actually on a webinar where we were told that if we didn't use CF we were not serious about our business. Yeah - that kind of nonsense rubs me the wrong way. Looking forward to more of your videos!
Ouch... That is a very aggressive sales tactic. Glad we've been able to connect here!
Seriously aggressive, and those tactics do NOT work well with someone like me. Keep on doin' what you're doin'! :-)
Hi Miles,
Do you have any recommendations for using Optimizepress?
I couldn't figure out their system in version 1.0 so I left and never went back. I prefer thrive.
Thank You for all Your insight, I was hoping to find out what the Monthly cost is now for Your New Platform using WP, and also what Hosting Service You Are Using ? kind regards, Diana
Depends on a few factors, like how long you sign up for each component (they give price breaks for paying annually up front) One viewer just set up a site based on my DIY Sales Funnel series ( czcams.com/video/YsUNFZhqkEA/video.html ) And it cost him around $300 for the whole year... I think $19/mo for the autoresponder is the only monthly recurring and that doesn't start till month 2.
Sometimes the easy can be too good to be true. I thank you for sharing your experiences in hopes to help us all.
my pleasure… And you are 100% correct if it sounds too good to be true it may be too good to be true
I've tried signing up and Paypaling, but the BIG RED screen came on that says, "This website has been reported as unsafe!"
I tried sending a message asking about the toll free phone number, how I can put my downloaded picture on my funnel and also left my phone number for you guys to call me back. I don't understand why the site only accepts PayPal and no Visa's.
not sure what you're talking about…
Thanks for sharing! Would you use the same systems for a non-drip membership site? (e.g. a self directed online course where access to entire course at once is granted) Thanks!
Great question.... And honestly, it is a coin toss. One question I have for you is... Do you have any WordPress experience at this point? If so, I'd lean towards continuing down that path.
The more I reflect on CF and my business, in general, the more I realize how important it is to retain control over all aspects of your business, down to the software the funnel/website is built on.
Wordpress being built on an open source platform that allows infinite customization vs. ClickFunnels being built on a closed platform limits customization, troubleshooting and puts you at the whims of a 3rd party with zero recourse.
That can have some seriously negative long-term impacts on your business... What if they sell CF to a 3rd party (LeadPages did) what if that 3rd party offers even worse support?
They sell a short term benefit of 'saving time' when really they have so many more potential long-term detriments... To me, I'm happy I canceled my account there and am "out from under" their reign.
Hope that helps.
Thanks! I'll be looking into Active Member 360 this week to see if it is a good fit. At the very least I will make sure everything I ever build in an editor (CF or other) is backed up off-site as hard code.
I also have MemberMouse on one site that works really well and is simple... It has the checkout page, does the product deliver/content protection, etc. There are several WP plugins that can do the job well...
ActiveMember requires ActiveCampaign (email) but gives me the tagging and automation power of infusionsoft for way less $$$.
That tagging/automation stuff isn't necessary, but I have some long term plans on how to put it to use to continue to grow my membership, which is why I chose it.
Thanks again for taking the time to share your experience!
question: why did you pick activemember360 over the popular membership
solutions like wishlist member?
Im asking because im trying to decide on the solution to go with.
Can you use activemember360 with the optimizepress templates(for membership content page designs)?
And if youre looking long term, what if you end up not using activecampaign 7 years from now, will you be screwed because this membership solution is based around activecampaign?
Because it was recommended by an integration specialist who I trust... Yes you can use it with OP. If I change off AC I will change off AM360... But don't see why I'd ever do that.... This setup works like a champ!
Because it was recommended by an integration specialist who I trust... Yes you can use it with OP. If I change off AC I will change off AM360... But don't see why I'd ever do that.... This setup works like a champ!
to be honest im so tight on money after just getting thrivecart lifetime license, im considering using optimizemember membership plugin with optimizepress + thrivecart(which is said to work with optimizemember plugin) but im not sure. i dont want to grow a membership and later realized i shouldnt ve used it.
I dont get it, from all i read everyone say wishlistmember has more features etc, but when they go into details just about the main things that wishlistmember does over the optimizemember plugin is, 1: password protect an rss feed just for member (dont care), and has unlimited levels of membership, where the OP plugin is limited to 10 levels, but even officially they say you can go in some setting and make it unlimited.
your thoughts on the OP plugin?
thanks!
+Oliver P find a system that fits your budget needs and run with it! I started my entire biz with a $50 plugin... You can evolve over time once you are making cashflow
thanks a lot. really appreciate your replies~
Good for you being the captain of your ship. Thank you for this. It was very helpful.
Glad it was helpful! Good to see all sides of the coin, sometimes...
Yes, I have been thinking about leaving Click Funnels. There are some really great features, but I am having to do some cash flow reality checking and match outlays to needs. I absolutely want to manage money in a way that upkeep does not become the downfall, as my mentor says. I've been using iglooapp.com/ to build landing pages and the basic membership sites like Click Funnels does.... but with drip and some other nice features... I teach a business plan course at community college and I feel much better recommending a one-time expense than ongoing, especially for startups... I'm watching your video on what you'd do if you have to start over now... Great stuff & thanks again.
+alorrinda managing cash flow is the #1priority for sure!
For me the WordPress systems offer the most flexibility because it lends itself to content marketing/SEO/blogging and funnels.
I did a bit of a price analysis in this blog post that you may enjoy: www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
I've had a few technical issues with ClickFunnels, but so far the Membership Funnels have worked great for me. I love being able to include upsells on the Members Area :)
+Shawn Bayley offering members more products is good for business!
Thanks for the video - how do you like ActiveCampaign's membership plugin?
Not a huge fan but I'm stuck with it because I'm on active campaign
@@MilesB Thanks. Honestly there is so much room for improvement in the world of membership plugins. I've been using Wishlist for a few years now - it gets the job done, but I need to purchase additional plugins to make it more efficient. Keep up the good work.
What plan do you have for Active Campaign? Which one includes all the tagging and such that you mentioned?
The lowest price one. Nothing fancy
Hey Miles! Super useful channel! Cheers from Hungary, Budapest! Also a great place for digital nomads, if you are looking for a European city, many foreigners here!
one question: what is your opinion about instapage for landing pages?
Thanks for your answer! :)
Have never used it and have no interest in it... I prefer WordPress and Thrive themes. www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
Hi Miles - the biggest thing I like about CF is there checkout page / shopping cart because it allows for essentially upselling right on the checkout page (if you've seen Trey Lewellyns' videos, you'll know what I'm talking about).
Do you know how to get that same functionality in a shopping cart without Clickfunnels?
On SamCart you can add order bumps on the checkout page and up to 5 or 6 upsells and 5 or 6 downsells on every product. Plus you can split test the checkout pages, too...
Thanks, Miles. I'll look into SamCart.
I'd love to see how a behind the scenes on how you used Thrive & Apprentice to set up your new membership site, if you ever get the chance to do a video on it.
I've just setup a new WP site that will be a living/breathing case study on how to build a business with info products/membership and plan to cover the apprentice feature for that!
This is the site I setup in my newest video that went out today... May take me a little bit, but definitely in the plan!
Thanks so much for posting this video! You just helped change the course of my business and saved me a lot of money!
Glad I could be of service!
As a beginner who's following your previous information do you still consider creating funnels through clickfunnel. I am not yet at a membership site yet. Would just be affiliate offers ETC
For simple funnels, affiliate funnels… It can definitely still work. The challenge are going to experiences how expensive it is for what you get. If you're minted and can afford to spend an extra $70-$250 per month and that is worth saving an hour or two every month… Go for it.
I wrote a blog post the breaks down the numbers and compares click funnels with your other option here : www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
Ahh I see, thank you for the blog link, I will check it out asap
Honestly, this is one of the best videos I've found on this topic. You really got to the nitty gritty. Thank you Miles. (Thanks for the video direct - I cleaned up my comment for privacy reasons) You're awesome!
My friend Dave sets it all up for me. He shows the process in detail in this video czcams.com/video/8aeepab24_M/video.html
@@MilesB Thanks so much :-)
I'm Thrive Themes too. Love it. Miles you should make some training videos on how to use the membership part of Thrive.
Still new with it, but I may do a behind the scenes vid soon with Thrive. Have you found their apprentice feature? Only works on some of there themes, but is totally cool for this! thrivethemes.com/introducing-thrive-apprentice/
And with that said, I think they are working on a new and improved system to replace this with even more functionality!
From what I gather the Apprentice feature isn't a full membership site solution. You're a high level marketer and it's great to have you in Thrive Themes family. I hear what you say about CF. Hopefully you can work with Thrive (Shane and Paul) and they can roll out a fully functional membership system without some of the glitches of other platforms.
To manage the access to your 'members area' that is built on Thrive's apprentice system you need a plugin to handle that... MemberMouse.com is a good one because it handles checkout and access to the content.
Thrive is just a theme... So just the 'look' and 'layout' not the functionality of making sales and giving customers access to the appropriate pages... Just the look of those pages.
Make sense?
I used S2 member a few years ago so got the idea. Optimize Press used to be one of the best but like the Thrive Themes system better. An all in one solution is tough to find. I'll look at the membermouse.
Anyone heard of the 1 page funnel? I seen an add on Facebook of a guy promoting it. Thoughts?
do you use an ecommerce platform for your cart and products or is that all done with active member 360?
I'm having a hard time getting a one click upsell using woocommerce in my funnel which is why I'm asking
I'm using thrive cart as the shopping cart system that actually handles the transaction.... On a successful transaction it pushes the tags and automations to active campaign and active member picks up the customer information from there. If you need help with any of the stuff my friend Dave at www.IntegratePro.com Helped me set this all up. If you reach out to him, be sure you let him know Miles sent you
Awesome video thanks so much for sharing your setup! I am just looking to set up a member site, so I'm very thankful having read this.
I was wondering how you handle affiliate tracking with the Wordpress / Activemember setup. Since Clickfunnels has a built in affiliate tracking / payout system (i think they call it Backpack) I was hoping you have worked out a good equivalent for that?
Thrive cart has an affiliate module too
Oh awesome, didn't realise that - they don't mention it clearly on their sales page!
Hi Miles,
Could you please help me out in here, I purchased Thrivecart and want to build up membership site, what membership software would you recommend ? They have only 4 different options in between to choose... My eye stopped on Optimizepress. Would like to know your opinion in this..Thank you.
I'm using ActiveCampaign and ActiveMember360.... My friend Dave at www.integratepro.com helped me tie it all together. He is an expert with ThriveCart and all the integrations it has... He can help you put together a plan if you'd like...
Thanks Miles, as a rough estimate what is the cost of putting it all together?
It will truly vary on a lot of factors... Do you have a site built and the member's area already built up? If no design is needed, it is simply a few hundred in tech and possibly less to get it all working together...
But there are a lot of ways to set it up... Dave at IntegratePro will do a free call with you to discuss more in depth with you about your specific situation...
You are very awesome! Already contacted with him. A big thank you!
Good day miles, so currently doing the 30-day funnel challenge @ click funnels. They have such huge market share, I'm surprised I found your review. Although I personally don't have very much experience online, does your system have a course like the 30day challenge to show me the process to truly making money online and not just a bunch of talk?
My one thing is I know from past experiences you can run two sites on Wordpress with one hosting - do you believe A2 is the best choice for hosting -
It is one of the better choices yes. I would have to have tested every single option to call the "best
and I have not done that. but they are not corporate owned, they are fast to support and their servers are quick… Everything I needed in a shared host
Miles, do you think funnels would work for selling music, cds, tee shirts and other merch?
It is possible, sure. Not my first choice but possible
@@MilesB Can you share what your first choice would be?
So.......WP for the membership but when you want leads clickfunnels is a safe bet to getting them?
Thanks for this. Miles, we tried it out last year and had a lot of the same issues. I know they are nice guys and will probably get it fixed, but that does not currently pay the bills. :) And it still may be great for those people that do not have a Membership component.
Holy cow! I'm building my site with Thrive as we speak. It's my 1st membership site and hearing this just validates this decision. I never even thought to use clickfunnels but def glad I didn't start with them.
Good to get a little validation that you are going in the right direction! :D
Hi, Miles. Thanks for this detailed explanation.
We're just getting started on the path of creating a membership site, and this video was extremely helpful. We're currently nearing the end of the 14-day free trial with CF. We gave it some serious thought, and realize that CF is likely not the solution for us because we'll be adding weekly content for our members. Taking a look at Thrive Themes now.
We're considering using MemberPress with ConvertKit. Do you know much about how that combination would work with Thrive Themes?
Also- what product did you purchase in Thrive Themes? Their annual membership looks like a great deal, but are all those components necessary? If so, do you recommend the "Thrive" or the "Agency" Membership if we eventually plan to use it on 2 sites?
MP + CK should work perfect with Thrive. I went with Thrive annual and yes, the 'thrive leads' and 'content builder' on top of the themes made it totally worth it for me. No need for agency if you own both sites... Agency is if you 'sell' services and use Thrive for others... I have thrive on several sites with the basic membership.
If you haven't seen their fast start funnel creation series, check it out here: milesbeckler.com/wordpress-funnel Very 'clickfunnels' esque and shows you how to do the same stuff in Thrive.
Should be very good foundation for long term growth!
Perfect. Thanks again! You've just made this whole figuring process a breeze.
That is great to hear! #CreateAwesomeness
Are all four of the software in your stack a separate cost? If I want to take on only one cost at a time, what order do you think would be the most effective to build my own stack?
Question: would you rather have four monthly fees of $10 per month? Or one monthly fee of $100 per month?
Definitely four at $10.. I'm totally new to funnels and am trying to get a better understanding of your workflow. I was drawn by the clickfunnels hype, that's how I found you.. And I see this a much better option. Now, I'm trying to piece it all together. Thanks for making this, and all your other videos!
My pleasure... Take a look at this blog post that covers the two options with a bit more detail: www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
I outline a less expensive stack in the DIY Sales Funnel series because this one has some functionality that is quite advanced due to the HUGE size of my membership program that has been growing for over 4 years.
You can find that post here: www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
Thank you for your links! I have another clarifying question, if you wouldn't mind sharing some more of your wonderful insight..
You suggest Thrive Themes, Thrive Cart, Active Campaign, and Active Member 360 on this video, and thrive themes, aweber, and membermouse in the link you provided.. which of these two stacks are best for a beginner to pursue?
My mistake.. seems you already answered this question. You use the stack suggested in this video because of your huge membership size, and outline a less expensive stack in the link you provided. Thanks a lot.. learning so much, and loving all your info!
Thanks for sharing. Control is key
YES! So important
If I have an Elegant Theme for my home and do a subdomain with Thrive it'll work right?
Totally!
BRILLIANT! Hey, you've heard it a lot and I'm saying it again since it'll be my motto too... Share what you learned and it comes back 10 times fold. Thank you to you AND your wife. GREAT collection you've built on helping anyone who wants to work hard and be paid off when the magic starts.
You are 100% correct… It really does come back tenfold.
where can I go to send you an email to set up my new path on your site? I need to see if you can do something first before I make the move.
Hi, Miles. Thank you for sharing your insight with us. I realized that creating a membership site with Clickfunnels will not be ideal. Do you still use Clickfunnels for the Optin, Funnel and Thank you pages?
I don't... All in on Wordpress for my funnel steps. I show how I set it all up here: czcams.com/video/YsUNFZhqkEA/video.html
@@MilesB Thank you Miles!! I was also checking out Builderall, as it has integrated an autoresponder so I would not have to pay separatedly for that. Itt has an affiliate program too linked to it, so you can make commisions. It doesn't seem very difficult, in terms of learning curve. Would love to hear your thoughts on this too :)
It is a rubbish tool wrapped in an MLM scam.
My Key will not work and support are not interested. I love instabuilder but after installing on a different site it has failed and support are a waste of time,i am now starting legal proceedings
Ouch... You are not alone. I see so many horror stories from their support issues. It is sad.
I hope you find a platform that will work for you soon. Nothing worse than feeling tied to a sinking ship.
Any opinions about convertri? Thanks so much!
Nope... Sounds like another closed system I'd ignore, personally.
Is Thrive good for other funnel apps (client funnels) or just membership sites?
It works for all types of funnels. I use it for several different funnel types from affiliate funnels to advanced self liquidating (tripwire) funnels
Thanks. That means I have to use a Thrive theme on the website in order to get the benefits, right?
Hey Miles, appreciate the video, one suggestion though, please do test your website on mobile devices or use Hotjar to track how your site appears to your visitors. Because I've had this problem with one of the landing page building plugin by Thrive called Thive Architect (previously called Thrive Visual Builder) where the site was breaking on mobile devices, images appearing out of elements, DIV etc.
Ya, I'm testing instapages now that has heatmapping built in...
Hey Miles,
What advice would you have for someone who's looking to get started in the internet marketing space? I have a course that I developed but I don't know where to start? Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.
Build your funnel! www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative
Thanks! I'll check it out. I was about to drop $4000 on the Clickfunnels quick start program. I'm glad I saw this video.
+FIT Method 413 Circuit Training Gym holy goodness... $4000????
That is a LOT of money and this stuff is EASY to put together.
Better to spend that money on FB ads and training in that area IMO
I saw some of your videos over the weekend! I'm going to try my first funnel through Thrive through the link you provided. I'm also going to dive into the course you suggested for FB. jasonhornungagency.com/profit-maximizer-training-fb/
Is this the best way to start with FB ads? Thanks Miles.
Miles, I have a niche jobsite and I would like to increase conversions via a funnel. Would you recommend click funnels or this or can this be done with thrive themes and cart? Do you think funnels work well with job sites?
+Andrew Tilston thrive themes on Wordpress can build any funnel you could on CF
I've used Thrive Themes before, it was a bit clunky in my opinion and some of the visuals are look pretty dated....but I understand they have been tested by Shane and his team in terms of conversions. Have you had any experience with instabuilder 2.0? I am definitely going to be buying Thrivecart! Awesome looking product!
Miles. Do you have any examples of your sites made with Thrive Themes? Just so I can get an idea of how custom you can get with Thrive Themes?
milesbeckler.com
Thank you!!!!!!
My pleasure!
Great stuff MIles! I ran across your youtube page a few weeks ago. I am considering clickfunnels for helping others build funnels as well as, my own personal coaching and the launch of my book. I'm not ready to go all in on spending too much money because I'd like to get some return first. What do you suggest?
I think you are asking a very good and important question at this phase. Check out this blog post where I cover a couple options and the long term cost... www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
I think funnel building and marketing services are a great approach for a freelancing business!