E5 1650v2 - The Super-Cheap 6-Core CPU That Can Handle (Almost) Anything!
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- The Intel Xeon E5 1650 V2 has 6 cores, 12 threads and offers surprising performance even at stock speeds. This socket 2011 CPU can play it all, and can be found for less than £20 / $20.
0:00 Intro and Modifying The HP Z420 Workstation PC
1:22 Cinebench R20 and Performance Limitations
2:08 Cyberpunk 2077
2:42 Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
3:22 GTA V
4:35 Forza Horizon 5
5:24 Red Dead Redemption 2
5:56 Hogwarts Legacy
6:35 Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2
7:09 Final Thoughts
Thanks for watching :) - Věda a technologie
I used to be really into these old xeons, it's amazing that some of them are just a few bucks
it was THE budget option back in like 2018, good times
@@aqyx when intel i5 only have 4 cores whiout hypertreading and i7 4cores 8 treads and the i3 are a 2cores 4 tread that bad for gaming
@@aqyx that's around the time I was seriously considering them, (even though I had an ryzen 1600 at the time) but it's also around the time I got out of highschool and got a job so I ended up going full impulse mode and getting a decent x299 setup going lol
I just picked up an e5 2665 for my server over the weekend for $5. Cheapest 8 core CPU upgrade I've ever seen
I wish it was easier to find old workstations that aren't priced up by resellers.
the e5 1650v2 is the xeon version of the 4930k indeed , i own several versions of these sandy and ivy bridge E systems , currently have 5 computers running different variants , e5 2680 ,2697v2, 3960x, 3930k and 4930k , i can assure you if you can find some corsair ddr3 2400mhz memory and pair it with a 4930k or 3960x and clock the cpus up to 4.2GHZ you will be floored at what they can still do
Looking at the single thread performance of my i5, yes. The architecture can totally do something today. Mine only has 4 cores, but I'm running my RAM at 2133, so I can get a good estimate.
I had one of these on a Chinese x79 board from eBay. It was overclocked to 4.1 ghz and it served me well for about 3.5 years but it struggled in open world games and my 1660 super was bottle necked by it. I have since upgraded to a Ryzen 5 5500 and while the E5 was a beast, the 5500 is in a whole new league.
I'd guess the 5500 adds that smoothness and about 15fps-30fps in most games?
How do you know which chinese motherboard allows you to overclock or not?
@@erikbritz8095 about so. Games like Fallout 76 would stutter real bad with the E5.
@@Michael-ft3vg Nice see people don't understand that a cpu upgrade is for smoothness over FPS gain cause to some that changes everything so i always say do not upgrade if your still fine with the stutters you encounter and do if you are unhappy with them, as a newer cpu will 1.)Beat the older cpu in fps 2.)Gain the smoothness you once had in any task at hand. Only sad part is that a 1650 v1 or v2 lacks avx2 instructions so a Ryzen 5 4500 or i3 13100f is a much better option nowadays.
@@Michael-ft3vgwhich E5 did you have
I got recently for my nephew a X99 motherboard and a 2666v3 Xeon, used the bios unlock trick to get a few more Mhz out of it and it runs all of his games perfectly fine paired with a GTX 1060. I also have one of these xeons on my personal server, 14 core 28 threads are amazing for Jellyfin transcoding in real time.
Is it good on max settings
Congrats for the 500K subs mate, been here from the beginning 🎉
Really miss your car reviews too 😂
I remember having these in the first servers I had to build in my first datacenter job, I always found it special that this family had V1 and V2 variants.
I actually have a couple of these exact same CPUs and HP Z workstations as part of a Proxmox cluster. Despite their age, they really still hold up. For anyone trying to put together a budget workstation or gaming rig, the clear winner is an HP system.
I do recommend shooting for the dual socket HP Z840 if you can, those support DDR4 and Haswell-E / Broadwell-E processors.
Fun to see some old hardware testing. But yeah, if the socket 2011 motherboards aren't affordable, 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen is probably a better value. Especially with a further upgrade path in mind. Though I expect the 5800X3D to remain relatively expensive for many years. Like 4th gen i7's were really overpriced for a long time because it gave the best performance while still supporting DDR3 RAM. With the 5800X3D being the most powerful gaming CPU on AM4, it will be in a similar situation. Non 3D chips will probably be the better value future upgrade path on the used market.
You're almost always going Machinist or Huananzhi for "Affordable" LGA 2011. Don't bother with branded 2011 at all unless you fancy paying 300+ dollars/Euro for 10 year old boards.
The 5800X3D will probably always be expensive. The best, end of the line parts of notable tech lines often are. In 5+ years you'll start seeing nostalgic "THE BEST AM4 SYSTEM POSSIBLE???!!" type videos and these will keep the price up.
@Lurch Not in games that want more cores and/or make use of 6+ cores. In those the 2600 would be slower.
And AM4 is indeed still a good platform that can do everything from office and budget gaming to enthusiast workstations.
Congratz to 500k Subs.
Congratulations on 500k🎉🎉
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You should do more of xeons servers and workstation reviews i would like to suggest you to take a look at hp z440 and z640 come in the range of $150-$250 and for that price they have really good specs like ddr4 support and even good single core performance
The 1650v1 is overclockable on some Chinese boards if modify the bios. I have one running at 4.2ghz stock volts on an atermiter
I myself have an intel xeon 1230 v2 and an gtx 1050 ti. Still keeps suprising me how well it keeps up today
I got a 1230 v2 instead of an Ivy Bridge i5, and it was one of my better decisions regarding parts. People kept yapping on at the time how 4 cores without HT was enough, but I found a good compromise without shelling out for a i7. I was building a SFF ITX box and wanted something powerful but 65w. This was the perfect cpu, and it's aged wonderfully.
Yes, the 1650 v2 is indeed an i7-4930K by another name. I think the only difference is ECC RAM support, which a lot of ultra-budget enthusiasts seem to value quite highly. I tested it at 4.5GHz and it did pretty well, but the lack of AVX2 really hurts it in newer games. The 1680 v2 is even more interesting, as it's the only overclockable 8 core on the platform and actually does better than some more modern 6 cores. Unfortunately it costs £70+, which is a bit absurd.
The big downside to the X79 chips now is how cheap X99 is. You get DDR4, NVME and AVX 2, and for not that much more money.
Without AVX phisics will not work properly, old CPUs are money wasted.
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Yes, but the E5-1650v2 lacks AVX2, not AVX. It has it.
So, the question is, with AVX, but without AVX2, is it a problem for modern and near futur games?
Is it just going to “low perform” or litterally crash games at random????
Watching this video, still, it seems to work … 🤷♂️so…
Annnnnnd with DDR4, you get quad-channel and Ecc also… 😄
Btw, on Chinese X79, you get NVME😉 how is it possible? I don’t know 🤷♂️
@@tomekichiyamamoto2177 some chinese h81 also has nvme too
@@namm_ maybe 🤔 thanks to some code in the bios…?
Used one of these in my desktop from 2017-2019, it was a really solid chip and great bang for the buck!
6:42 first blood! You’re insane at cod!
Haha lucky shot
CONGRATS Mr. 500K!!!!!!
That's the processor of the pc I've been using for over a year now, overclocked to 4.2 GHz. Along with quad channel ddr3 and a 1650 gddr6. Not the most expensive machine, but it works for enough for me.
I did same, my electric bills were x2.
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HP Z workstations and xeon stuff! That's my jam! Great video. I just did up a system out of a HP Z440 workstation motherboard and E5-1650v4. Still capable as heck for the money. I think for your z420, the CPU that's the best balance of frequency and cores is the E5-2667v2
Those are two crucial factors. Is it capable enough and is it value? I'd say both are borderline. You're talking RYZEN ZEN 1 performance for a bit cheaper than a new build. However if you had a ZEN 1 system you could easily upgrade it to modern performance for very little money. The GPU is the single most expensive and important component in a gaming system so if your CPU is allowing significant 1% lows compared to a more modern CPU then you're compromised not optimised. I keep coming back to the Xeon systems and keep arriving at the same conclusion. The AM4 systems are a better choice.
@@wayland7150 never said it was a better choice than Ryzen. Been doing hp z workstation and xeon content since before Ryzen anyways, and before Ryzen was a viable secondhand choice. I did slow down on the xeon content though because Ryzen did eventually make old xeon stuff far less of a good choice. But it's still fun to mess with and show off.
Congratulation for 500k subs!!
On mw2 if you increase core work will help a lot
This is the exact PC im running right now. :)
16GB DDR3. Water cooled CPU i believe.
I got it dirt cheap, 500 SEK/50 euros, aprox, of a girl that had to get rid of it due to going away for studies.
I seen it go for a lot more "refurbished". I think i honestly made a steal.
Damn good machine! Im using it as a retro rig/reserve gaming rig.
I got it a Gtx 1650 , 75W because im not replacing the PSU. That and a Samsung SSD.
It was a very tough choice picking a GPU, benchmark hell, but i had to realize, im not building a gaming rig, i got one already, so i paced myself, i am gonna replace it with a brand new reserve rig later.
Im happy, it can run anything more or less, its equally powerful as my old gaming rig I7 4790k and a Gtx 970 (later a 1070), 2015, that machine was still rocking when i replaced it last year.
There is just something so satisfying about fixing up a older rig and seeing what it can pull off.
HP Z420, damn good machine, quiet too!
love old xeons! my previous build had a X3470 from Aliexpress for cheap
make sure its in quad channel thats part of the formula in getting the best performance in these cpus , it was also true with the mainstream sandy and ivy bridge cpus several 1600mhz vs 2133mhz comparisons were made over the years with very impressive differences in many games
Nice little video. Thank you.
No one did notice any inconvenience regarding the eventual lack of instruction set due to the old generation of this cpu???
As the E5-xxxx V2 don’t have AVX2 (maybe only AVX if I ‘m right)
I just got one of these HP workstations for free from work and was curious about the performance of the Xeon so stumbled across this video.. looks impressive!
I'm actually just using it for ubuntu server so not really challenging it anyway.
I had a 1650 V3 for the last few years paired with a 1070, it was a great budget combo
I'm still running my 1650 v3 and the great thing is great for overclocking it to about 4.3-4.5ghz I wouldn't say it's super budget because finding a x99 mobo now a days is harder and harder
@@Zefly101 honestly finding a T3600 with 8-16 gig ram installed is a pretty easy find on ebay, typically only about 100$ too
Bro would it run with rx 580 8gb 2048sp
@@nazishfatima7077but I would get 2670 v3 for rx 580
Something that i think would be cool to see in CPU benchmarks in the future is Beamng, seeing as that game is heavily focused on CPU power when it comes to traffic and such
Ooh, seeing that VelociRaptor is cool! I used to RAID-0 those before going to SSD.
Inspired by your channel, I made a computer out of the bits I had at home. I got a ryzen 2600 for £20 on facebook, and it's cost me less than £100 to get it fully working. Gonna give it to a friend who needs an upgrade from a haswell I5.
Yesss. I've been rocking this chip for a couple years in an HP z620 with a 1050ti. Good to use the work station boards since they allow for quad channel RAM, and the one that I have is 700W and includes two PCI-E 6 pin connectors.
I've built on the Chinese boards, and they're fine, just dual channel.
I'll add that the 1650v4 is a better prospect. It supports DDR4 and has AVX2 instructions, which the v2 lacks. I see it for about $35, and the HP z440 is very reasonable. You can build a good system on that platform with a card like a GTX 1070 for under $450 all in.
My feeling with the E5 V2 generation, when you go up from the E5-1650v2 to higher core counts, the lower single thread bites you a lot more.
I think you have to look at Haswell-e at a minimum nowadays, due to the prevalence of AVX2 use in games. It much such a large difference in games that utilize AVX2 (notably BFV and above). IcebergTech has gone over this a bunch lately. With DDR4 prices dropping, and ‘X79/X99’ virtually equal, the marginal difference in price is absolutely worth it.
I love videos like this, keeping old machines out of the garbage heap and giving them use speaks to my practical poor-person soul.
Dat knife first blood, nice
I had slightly better binned version of this (1660v2) for a couple of years. They are both unlocked. I ran it with 4.6gHz all core without any problems on asus p9x79 mb. Was pretty happy with it! Also the most interesting one to test I think will be 1680v2 it has 8 cores and also unlocked.
I had a x79 system for years. I tried the 4930k for a little bit, which is the i7 version of the Xeon 1650 v2. Overclocked it to 4.5ghz with 32GB of DDR3-2400 RAM. Running these processors with higher speed RAM is the secret sauce to getting these to perform well. It actually did alright with a GTX 1080ti.
I bit the bullet and bought the 8-core E5-1680 v2, which I was able to OC to 4.6ghz with less vcore that what the 4930k needed. The 1680 v2 had no problems running 32GB of RAM at 2400MT/s.
These were just the benchmarks I needed. Thanks for going over this chip! Been researching what bang I want for the buck for another system to piece together with (now) cheap used parts. The xeon rabbit hole is vast
I bought a Xeon E5-2697v2 and a cheap x79 mainboard a month ago. It works fine for hosting multiple Minecraft Servers as well as some light gaming.
I have built a bunch of X99 systems in the recent past, mainly due to DDR4 support and decent cheap access to 8 core 16 thread Xeons. They are still capable for most gaming tasks for sure
Opting for x99 isn’t even much more expensive these days, much better choice especially with the ddr4 support
@@Babyleaf_Lettuce and AVX2 support.
Those v2 and v3 Xeon's have been great chips. Very hard to recommend buying/building a new system these days unless you're buying into the platform for ECC support or need the additional PCIe 3.0 lanes many of the X79 & server chipset boards offer. There are things like bootable M.2 NVMe & PCIe 4 that you give up that an relatively inexpensive AM4 or 10th gen Intel board would have. A Ryzen 3500/3600 or Intel 10100/10400 CPU would run circles around those Xeons and probably use less power while doing it.
Cheap X79 motherboards on AliExpress come with M.2 NVME slots, but you're correct about PCIe 4.
Then again, why would you buy an X79 motherboard from AliExpress if cheap AM4 motherboards are available in your country?
I daily drive one of these for a couple years and still have it sat in a box, I’m still using the x79 sabertooth motherboard but with a 2630L to run my home cctv server.
I had a z240 system. It ran crossfire perfect. Though had to run a software patch to have Sli work on it. In those days didn’t do a psu upgrade. Bought a supplement psu that fit in the 5 1/4 slot. That put out 350w dedicated to a GPU. Supported Sli and XFire.
Have you ever considered benchmarking with WarThunder? Not a popular choice I know, but in my experience testing hardware its one of the best predictors of performance in my games library and seems to really push the CPU and GPU in every system I've tested. It's also very friendly to older systems in my experience.
1680v2 user here. That's the 8c/16t unlocked part. Just a word of warning to those wanting to run a Xeon on a cheap/generic x79 board. These CPUs (at least, the 8c 1680v2) seem to be a lot harder on the VRM than standard i7 parts. My board worked fine for about a month, then started shutting down randomly. It's fine, however, driving a somewhat less exotic i7-4930K.
The Xeon CPU itself is fine, because my Rampage IV Gene has been running the thing at 4.5GHz w/ 2333MHz DDR3 for 5 months now without even breaking a sweat. I never intended to run the Xeon full time on a generic x79 board; just wanted to see how it'd handle.
could you test minecraft on CPU benchmarks in the future? its a good test for cpu performance. love your videos by the way
had one of these, really nice chip and cheap!
I'm using a e5 2690 v2 with a 1070 and honestly quite happy with the out come still along of head room.with the cpu I'm using so may just be the the core count and effective speed of it
I'm running one of these on an asus p9x79 oc'd to 4.2ghz, 32gb ddr3 1600mhz oc'd to 2133mhz and a gtx 1070 ti and its running everything I want it to, and honestly no complaints
I have one of these puppies in a Dell T3600. I had OpenMediaVault running a NAS. I went back to my Buffalo NAS. Put a 4gb RX 480 in the T3600 and will give it a go for giggles and poops this upcoming weekend. Cheers from Long Island NY
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I have good memories with this CPU, this tied me over during the lockdown when PC parts were prohibitively expensive. I paired this with an rtx 2070 super I got at the end of 2019. One point of concern tho is that I had to max out the settings and resolution or the game will stutter, the 2070 super is capable of bottlenecking this cpu.
Interesting CPU, like!
I personally had one of these overlocked at 4.2GHz with minimal effort on a Asus motherboard and 4ghz on a cheap Chinese Atermiter motherboard 💪🥰😇. These xeons were a great alternative cpu to use and still offer many a cheap well performing 60+fps AAA gaming experience on many of todays titles at 1080p which is all you need to really enjoy gaming 👍🥳
I just dropped a $12 Xeon x5680 into an old X58 build I had from 2008. Combined with my old AMD RX 580 and 24GB of RAM, it handles most of my needs pretty well. R6 Siege, CS:GO, Valheim, WoW Classic, Hitman 3, emulators, it runs them all very well. If you have old motherboards lying around, some of these Xeon CPUs are insane upgrades for sure.
A great and cheap upgrade for LGA1366 indeed, Tech YES City could write books about that.
I built 2 systems 4 years ago with a 1650v2 and 980ti for my 2 kids with 16gb ddr4-1600 ram and we got through covid isolation and gpu price crisis really well.
Wouldn't recommend it now as a used ryzen 3600 cpu is hard to beat but if you get one really cheap then it's still good.
Ok, I just happen to have a Z420 under my desk with the very same Xeon. The E5-1650V2 is the sweet spot regarding gaming on the Z420 because of single core performance. Because of the limited 145W TDP of the motherboard, as you add more cores the clock speeds are forced down. The thing that's important about the E5-16XXV2 CPUs is that they are not locked so you can overclock them. V1 versions of the family are also unlocked but V3 versions are locked. Although the motherboard doesn't support overclocking you can run XTU which works fine. My processor runs all-core 4.1GHZ all day long and it's completely stable. Also make sure you are using 4 sticks of matched ECC memory for quad channel memory management which will also increase performance. My machine has a GTX1660TI which runs fine with a dodgy cable adapter. It's been in there three years and no smoke yet. The power supply is more than adequate to drive the 1660TI at 600W stock. I got a bit of spare cash at the end of last year so I retired the Z420 and built myself a new 12600/RTX3060TI system. I'm going to repurpose the Z420 as a TrueNAS server because it's still got a bunch of life still in it.
I have a z420 too. With e5 1650. 20gddr3 in quad channel and a 6650xt. All game run fines. In ultra settings 1080p. Very good cpu;
you can use throttlestop to overclock this pc via software, there's a bug that lets you do OC after a sleep resume (lots of forum talks about it) : 4.3 ghz is easily archivable, and it gives you a massive improvement!
I've got the v3 and it's amazing
I've had this since 2013, or the hedt version in the 4930k... overclocked to 4.4 without having to barely touch a thing on a x79 deluxe... I bought a ryzen setup a while ago but have never finished it on account of not really needing to... I thought I was making a mistake on account of the ddr4 switch being just around the corner, but with quad channel memory and a motherboard that treated the user like an adult, ended up being one of the best purchases I've made.
Those old Xeon CPU's really do punch well above their weight, amazing how cheap they are nowadays. After watching your Z420 video I managed to find a decently priced Z620, sporting 2 E5-2620 v2 CPU's. I don't really game, being a Linux user, but I'd be tempted if I could afford a reasonable GPU. Excellent video as always👍
Nice :) and thanks
Liked your comment because it had Linux in it
yeah i just compared this xeon 1650v2 to his review of the Ryzen 5 1600/3600/4500/i3 13100/13400 and of course the i3 13100 and i5 13400 are 28fps to 34fps ahead BUT the 1650 v2 is so equal to the Ryzen 5 1600 and beats the R5 4500 in certain games as well as barely drop behind in other tests as for the Ryzen 5 3600 well it's kind of the perfect middle ground between all of these and honestly this xeon e5 1650 v2 would be a VERY good Ultra budget gaming option based off of these results here especially paired with 32gigs of RAM and a RTX 3050 or RX6600 or equal gpu. i wonder also how much performance uplift it may get from a BCLK to 3.9ghz or an overclock to 4.2ghz or 4.5ghz?
They're cheap because first party motherboards for them are somewhat rare to find for a reasonable price and loads of these xeons all get liquidated from server upgrades so supply and demand really...
It's the same as before with the x58 xeons that are getting a bit too outdated nowadays. There are, however, about a dozen or more different Chinese board sellers on aliexpress that make cheap x79 boards but as usual the quality of what kind of board you get may vary. I have one that would freeze windows anytime the cpu downclocked itself from speedstep at idle. Switching to non ecc ram fixed the issue for whatever reason. And to this day hibernate causes a boot loop upon waking so I cant use hibernate. Other than that it works great and has m.2 slots. I don't use it for gaming it's mainly a workstation.
Just so you know, Linux compatibility has actually gotten pretty good through proton/wine. The steam deck os is based on Linux even.
For gaming I have found just removing post processing effects like anything to do with blur has a significant uplift in performance. I think it would be good to have have a video explaining that or atleast comparing between two different settings on the same system with AA and AF maxed out alongside everything but any post processing that creates blur or adds anything but volumetric lighting(god rays for the uneducated and/or religious). Have everything maxed out minus the post processing being off even in ,ini settings or mods for test runs and then on and see the results and then lower settings outside post processing to match the post processing off results with screenshots of all 3. After that there is a whole series of granular tweaking of common settings with on and off visual comparisons.
I used e5 1650 v1 between 2017-2021 until i finally upgraded to 10700k. They were fast and 6 cores really helped in many gamed
this is insane value
I would recommend going with 2011-3 cpu+ram+mobo combo on something like aliexpress, preferably with ddr4, only in case of not being able to get something newer of course
I run an HP Z420 as my main computer, though I opted for the E5-2667 v2, 8c/16t, 32gb of ram and a GTX-1070. It is a very capable machine, only time it shows it's age is when I run Handbrake using the CPU to encode. And to answer your question if it can run the 1650 v2, than the 12c/24t E5-2697 v2 will work in it.
For Hogwarts, there are some stutter fixes that involve configuring the config file, and they help. It went from unplayable to acceptable for me
The E5 2690 rocks are a 8 core cpu. My wife has one with all 8 dimm slots filled. Beautiful system.
Sorry to ask here, just it’s your latest video lol
Regarding your fallout new vegas video, I’d like to buy a prebuilt tower to play modded fallout 3 and new vegas, how much should I be spending on the pre built? I know it’s cheaper to bios yourself etc but I want a pre built
Interestingly enough, I've had a 4930K version of this Xeon and OC'ed it to 4.2GHz (bad GB board wouldn't go higher, no matter the volts). I've had it paired with an RTX3070 and 3840x1600 screen and it did 'reasonable' but really struggled with particle effects and such.
The all-time fastest Xeon CPU for LGA2011 is the E5-2687Wv2 - you want the "W" suffixes as they are higher clocked. Max 4.0GHz boost, 8C/16T but the fun ends very quickly when you start looking for TOTL models! It's like $10 vs $200 price difference - really kills the fun from running an older rig.
Yet I can tell you that I tried it on the best possible scenario - 2x CPU on EVGA SR-X with 1080TI SLI and it struggled in GTA V. The western highway along the coast, particularly the tunnel near Fort Zancudo really hit it hard.
I've also had an i7 990X and it felt better than the Xeon when pushed to ~4.4-4.5GHz.
I got an old system that was left over at work with something like a Core i5 3470 (4c/4t). Gave it to my nephew for Minecraft and noticed that especially when generating the world it was on full load. So an easy upgrade to a six core or at least 4c/4t CPU for below 20 bucks is maybe worth a shot.
The thing with Intel these days was (and for me still is) I encounter difficulties with their sockets and compatibility. On the AMD side it was easy: AM3 all the way than, AM4 later. I'll guess I have to look up the manual on to make sure what Intel chip fits or not. But paired those with something like a RX 570 or even a GTX 1070 Ti should run as an entry system (for less than 200 € with everything included).
I was close to going for one of these, mostly for the core count (6 or 8 cores), but with the advent of Ali sellers offering laptop Tiger Lake CPUs mounted on desktop boards it made me pause. I just bought an ES tiger lake part mounted on a desktop motherboard for about $150.
Granted, it's an ES part, so reliability might be an issue for people, but for $20 more I could have gotten a non ES part.
Benefit of course, aside from performance, is the much lower power use.
Just pulled the trigger on the 5700x MAG tomahawk 32gb fury beast build(£500) I already have a modern 550w PSU & loads of SSD's & the CEX rx5600xt, getting rid of the i7 3770. This is my first modern build. Did it while prices are still low, 7000 series was just to much to extend the budget & I fear prices will rise soon anyway.
You should consider comparing the V2 and V3 to see how much AVX 2.0 influences FPS in general, but on bleeding edge titles like Hogwarts especially.
Yes, seeing the low CPU and GPU % usage in Hogwarts it seems likely there is a weak CPU feature bottle necking the game. The newer Xeon versions used better silicon but also improvements in design.
I just got hold of a Ryzen 5 1600 AE off ebay for £34.95 delivered and it came with a cooler too... I think they will start going back up in value a bit too once people realize how cheap they've become and demand exceeds supply on the used market.
I just ordered a Z640 dirt cheap off Ebay, along with a couple E5-1650v4. This is going to be a dedicated VR / gaming box with a 6800 XT. Yeh mon.
I run the E5 1650v2 @4.5Ghz all cores with 16gb ddr3 ram @2400mhz on a Asus x79 Deluxe board paired with a 3060ti and a 750w psu.... I'm happy with it!
I'm guessing double channel ddr3 would be the limiting factor in this case, wouldn't it? This cpu supports 4 channel ddr3, wich would be comparable to double channel ddr4 speeds (not exactly), maybe it could squeeze a little bit more performance with a x79 mobo, right? Also, I don't think tests with ultra settings are fair if your using an RTX 3050. In RDR2, for example, cpu utilization barely reaches 80%, while gpu is in 95 range
I had a Xeon E3-1240 V3, essentially the same single core performance but 4c/8t and lga 1150 instead of the server socket 2011. thing did awesomely with my 1070 till i upgraded to a ryzen 3600x
Hp do a weird thing for these machines and add a bios boot block to the first variant of the motherboard so it cannot have its micro code updates to support v2 cpus. So you want to get one that supports v2 etc I believe this is still an issue with HP work stations. I would look at an e5-2687w v2 8 core cpu but has high boost clock of 4ghz. If you had a normal x79 motherboard you can overclock the e5-1650 to 1680 (8 core) and v2 the CPUs that have a 2 in like the E5-2660 is locked
i have in my old intel dx79sr the 1660 was a monster cpu overclocked 4.7 really a great performance
I have a E5 1650 (0) xeon. With 20 gddr3 in quad channel, and a 6650xt. I run Cyberpunk at 75 fps all settings in ultra (1080p)
Very good cpu !
But the single core on xeons tho
These old xeons are so much fun to work with. I'm trying to find a cheap X79 motherboard but in my country it's very difficult because people think it is probably some sort of gold since (actually, even some X58 boards are still quite expensive, e.g. they cost more than 80€ for just the board. X79 boards are >100€ )
About the GPU choice, when it comes to older,more limited CPUs I believe a same class Radeon GPU might perform better due to the Nvidia (driver/scheduler) overhead.
The X58 boards are expensive, the Xeons for it aren't. Which is a shame, the platform is super interesting and overclockable.
My recommendation is to get E5-2667 v2. It is a well balanced cpu for non overclockable motherboards. E5-1650 v2 can be easily overclocked to 4.1 ghz all cores with any x79 Chinese motherboard.
Still using one in my Dell precision 3600, 635W psu, 16Gb quad channel. Great cpu and a great machine all in all. At the moment there's a 1050ti inside but I guess all up to gtx 1070 would be a perfect match.
Something else about that generation of CPU: that's when EFI first started becoming common. Why is that a big deal? Because most EFI based boards just need a bios update or simple bios mod to support booting from M.2 NVMe. You might need a cheap ($2) riser board, but it's often pretty easy to get all the benefits of fast modern storage on those. Many of the Chinese X79 boards come with the M.2 slot and bioses that already support it. Something else kind of cool about Sandy Bridge Xeons: they support PCIe 3.0 where the consumer Sandy Bridge i7s were only PCIe 2.0.
X99 based stuff is also worth looking into. Prices are similar, but you get DDR4 instead and many boards will support up to 22 core Xeon CPUs. Oddly enough, prices aren't actually insane - the E5-2696 V4 is 22 cores and $150 on eBay right now.
Still using one of these in my TV PC. Been playing the new hogwarts on it. Works alright clocked to 4Ghz with a GTX1080. That's a bit overkill but hey ho.
id be interested to see how the old alienware steam machines holds up today
Yeah will find one :)
Intel XTU works on the z420 just fine for overclocking with the unlocked CPUs like the 1650
Have you tried to overclock with Intel XTU or ThrottleStop? I've seen many people who were able to OC the E5-1650v2 in HP Z420's
Hey, that's my CPU (except mine's running at 4.4 GHz)! I'm enjoying it but truth be told I got it a while ago purely out of tech curiosity and to cross quad channel memory and SLI off my bucket list. The prices for unlocked Socket 2011 motherboards are hardly justifiable for a budget build (part of the reason why the accompanying CPUs are so cheap), the power draw peaks at 120W when overclocked, thermal management becomes a challenge in accordance, it doesn't do all the latest instructions, and I had to use a patched BIOS so I could boot from an NVMe on a PCIe adapter. If all you wanna achieve is play games cheaply just get an older six core Ryzen.
120w for big cpu is not a problem, almost every cooler can cool it down, i had 135w xeon with cheap air cooler and my max temperature was 65°C
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I kind of have a plan to make a NAS using one of these chips, simply because motherboards have so much IO compatibility and a lot of SATA connectors. Otherwise I can just get a simple i3 8th/9th gen as I do have a z370 board on hand.
Glad to see you checking out the Xeon CPU's. Even tho they're meant to be just a Server Lineup, its performance on games is actually very good for the price
If possible, try to check the 2667 V4 (8 cores, 3ghz base) and the 2680 V4 or 2690 V4 (lower frequency but high cores 14)
P.S: I'm requesting the V4 lineup because they're more Power Efficient than V2 and V3 (especially V3 with Unlock Turbo Boost)
2667v4 is about the only decent "budget" option for a gamer in v4 lineup. Runs 3.5GHz all cores no problem, easy to cool, cheap mobos with wonky 6 phase VRMs can handle it.
@@PotatMasterRace I think there's the 2689 V4. If I remember correctly it is a 10/20, that runs in between 3.10ghz to 3.80ghz. But I didn't mention it because I can't find anywhere to buy
@@ShaunaJagan It is around 200$ on Ali. And it needs a mobo with a decent VRM. So you looking at 300+$, R7 5700X + b550 mobo territory. Meanwhile a 2667v4+mobo+32 reg ecc DDR4 is around 140$.
@@PotatMasterRace HOLY 200$?? Guess I'm going with the 2667 V4 anyway..
@@ShaunaJagan I think not many servers were based on it, so there are not much discarded 2689 V4 CPUs on the market.
I currently have an i7 4790k running at stock, which GPU do you recommend for the best pair / performance?
For gaming you don't want the 12 for 2696 v2 because it only turbos to 3.5. you want the 1680 v2 which turbos to 3.9 and can be overclocked.
Take a look at the Xeon E5 2667 v2 or the E5 2673 v2, not the 12 cores monster, just 8, but turbo speeds go up to 4Ghz. Moreover you can use a pair of those in a dual socket motherboard for more fun (the 16xx can't work in pairs) 2667v2 is around $38 and 2673v2 around $50, same performance but 20w cooler. I use two of those Xeon E5 2667 v2 with 64GB DDR3 daily with a RTX2070 and is both a VERY capable workstation and guite good gaming machine.
Used xtu on a Dell t3610 to get 4.3ghz all core. Throttle stop on top to get c-states to behave correctly (would stay locked at 4.3 with no load without)
*Needed older version of xtu to work*
You can overclock with intel extreme tuning utility. I have a Z620 with a noctua cooler. I was able to push 4.4Ghz all core
This video might inspire people to use cheap Xeon cpus, so I'll put a warning here. If you are considering an LGA 2011 mobo/cpu combo, do research before buying. LGA 2011 isn't a singular socket, it's a mini family of sorts. There is - 2011-0 (Socket R / x79) - 2011-1 (Socket R2) - 2011-v3 (Socket R3 / x99) . None of which are compatible with one another. Something else to note is if you see a 2011-1 chip, you will not find a compatible motherboard. Couldn't give an exact reason, but I believe they are proprietary CPU's for proprietary server boards.