Will 32GB of RAM Improve an Entry-Level Gaming PC?
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
- 16GB Vs 32GB. This is the question that's replaced the 8GB Vs 16GB ultimatum. I recently upgraded my modern-entry level gaming system to a larger amount of DDR4, but is it noticeable from a purely gaming point of view with non high-end specs?
0:00 Intro and Content Creation
1:43 The Last of Us Part I
2:34 Call of Duty Warzone 2.0
3:25 Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
4:08 Cyberpunk 2077
4:54 Forza Horizon 5
5:18 The Witcher 3
5:51 Red Dead Redemption 2
6:30 Hogwarts Legacy
7:25 Final Thoughts
Thanks for watching :) - Věda a technologie
Any other CZcamsr with 500k subscribers would have a i9 & a 4090, so it’s get to see the humble gamer who is content with their setup, not everyone needs 4k ultra settings to game. Great video, Iooks like I’m keeping my 16gb of RAM 👌
A 8 vs 16 gig comparison could also be interesting - budget or mid-range prebuilts from jsut a few years ago still often had only 8, and they're not uncommon on the used market that could probably benefit a lot from from an update to 16.
he already made a video on that
Definitely will improve performance with 16. Depending on what you use it for 16 might start to be short. Personally I upgraded to 32 for music production, especially for virtual libraries which can eat away your RAM easily
Short answer: 8GB is not enough in 2023. TLOU2, Hogwarts Legacy needs at least 16GB.
with almost every modern videogame, with only 8gb ram you either crash or run on drive swap and get bad performance/increased wear on data drive
@@888DS of the Office pc is doing only simple task and little multitasking, 8gb are fine, but anything involving multiple web Pages and any kind of graphic/video software not...
love these videos, always interesting configurations i havent thought of but want to see tested!
Another great video. I upgraded and maxed out my motherboard to 32GBs a few months back on a really really good Amazon deal. Definitely makes everything snappier and more responsive even with video/photography workloads and gaming and really anything I need my machine to do. Have it paired with an i5-8400 and a GTX 1080ti FE from MSI.
I found the same and it made me wonder if 64Gbs would add further improvements even if latency would have to be higher.
If you have a low VRAM GPU, more RAM should definitely help as the game will use RAM instead when VRAM is full. My 1060 3GB gets to 16gb of RAM with medium textures and if I increase textures to high it crashes without 32 GB of RAM.
This depends on how the game is made, but having to rely on system memory to replace vram will kill performance, so you have to make sure that doesn't happen at all.
Yeah when the games changes vram to ram is where the fps drops
@@jmtradbr yeah it drops but at least you can play the game and while I admit it's shouldn't happen, it's better than just not being able to play the game at all
@@SuperLaziboi and nowdays texture scaling is so shit like, disparity between low to ultra is so bad. Ultra looks gorgeous and then you turn to high it looks shit but acceptable but then you go to medium and that's where you see the real goo like shit in the name of textures while still using more than 4gb vram. Why ??? Even if cards nowadays come with 8gb vram that doesn't mean 4 and 6gb cards magically disappeared. Its the companies shoving down those cards with bare minimum vram on us customers without taking any responsibility
More system RAM is NOT a solution for a lack of VRAM.
You get bad performance whenever the game needs something that isn't in VRAM, because it has to hit system RAM to retrieve it. The memory chips themselves are placed very far away from the GPU chip. It's physics. And the data has to pass through multiple gates, controllers, to get to the GPU. It's not optimal in the least.
I’ve been happily using 2x 16GB (32GB) in all my rigs since 2017 and love having the additional memory when I’m running multiple tasks, tabs and browsers for a snappy response on my pc. In addition when gaming, and having CZcams, music etc going at the same time I find the higher ram count to be beneficial.
Yeah definitely helps with heavy multitasking :)
Yup this is the reason for me using 32GB too.
It's very helpful for my purpose too (virtualization)
I updated my 32 gb of ram to 64 as its sooo cheap and upgraded my graphics to a 12 gb model. Didn't make no difference but it is done now.
@@jpcoll2011 I bet it made a difference to your disposable income over the next couple of weeks :P
Why upgrade if you had no need to? For the science?
I really like rhis channel for presentation and focus on what the average person will actually notice. Too many channels focused on the 2% difference between the latest $700 CPUs . Same with upgrades. I can really relate to the disappointment someone who had chose between a new game and swapping their 16gig setup for 32 and getting no benefit.
Why would one upgrade their RAM on a whim if they weren't encountering errors? If they can google the nearest store to find another 16GB pack, they could google whether or not the title(s) they're playing would benefit from said RAM upgrade.
Absolutely love and respect this video! Rocking a 1600AF, 5600xt and 16GB of DDR4 3200 and was wondering if jumping up to 32 would make a difference. It's nice to see lower end spec tech videos being made. They're not sexy like the bleeding edge tech, but they're infinitely more useful.
Ryzen 5000 specifically gains a decent chunk of performance with dual rank memory. Not sure if that's worth it for budget builds though, since you might as well use the extra money to upgrade your processor directly, (I.e. 5500 -> 5600 or 5600 -> 5700) or getting a stronger gpu.
You can always expand memory later, so I'd just go with 16 gigs and don't worry about it.
3600MHz 16GBx2 dual rank kits aren't super expensive now at least
depends on what you play. if your playing a simulation game like anno 1800 total war warhammer 3 stellaris etc... you will see tremendous performance gains in 32gbs of ram as 16 gb is just not enough for long playthroughs in those games unless you have nothing going on in the background. also if you use mods on your games the higher the ram the better.
4 sticks of 8 will ensure dual rank
would love to see the same test but with an APU as it uses RAM as VRAM. with the way games use VRAM nowadays pretty sure that is gonna be a very interesting test.
It helps. I have tested that with my 5600g when I've bought for my little brother a 32GB kit. And it really helps in some games, games that uses a lot of RAM and VRAM.
It helps but from my understanding there is a limit on how much vram you can set from the bios , so depending on the game that extra ram amount may not help much
@@lynackhilou4865 I am not sure if my B550 let's me to set 8GB of RAM for iGPU, but 4GB it can do 100%.
@@lynackhilou4865 that's memory dedictaed for the iGPU, not memory the iGPU can access it. all of your dram is a unified buffer the iGPU _can_ access, all you do when you set portions of it aside is tell the machine that that particular chunk is for _only_ the iGPU. not vice versa
I'm curious about something: since you seem to sometimes test/utilize components better than the ones mentioned in this video, how come you don't daily drive them? Great video as always!
Not sure really haha. I don’t really game all that much outside of benchmarking and when I do, the 3050 can more than handle the games I play. E.g fallout new vegas and gta 4 😂
@@RandomGaminginHD Cousin, lets go bowling!
@@RandomGaminginHD You could definitely pair a much better GPU with the 12400F. It has enough power to fully utilize even a 6800 XT.
@@Typhy7 i mean he already said a 3050 was enough for him
@@Typhy7 his 3050 works just fine. I don’t get comments like these even after when a CZcamsr explains.
Thanks so much for sharing! I'm working up a build now for the first time in over 10 years and so much has changed. Your build appears to be very similar to what I'm hoping to end up with, so the comparisons between 16 and 32GB used here is very relevant to my needs. Thanks so much!
Hey thats cool! What specs does your old build have? And why did you want to upgrade?
@@whatido30 my computer was over 10 years old and was starting to show the age! Intel i5-3450, GTX 560, and 16gb of DDR3 1600 ram.
@@TheyCallHimDietSeth wow man I had a xeon e1231 v3, 16gb 1333 ddr3 ram and a amd r290x😎😂
@@TheyCallHimDietSeth what are you building with now?
Old build Guild! I'm rocking a i5 3570k with a 1060 6gb🤣🤣
I ran Ryzen 3 1200 and 8GB for 6 years til I changed to my current Ryzen 5 5500 and 16GB more 2 weeks ago. And I can say it made my PC far more convenient in my case. CPU side of course, since it's like 5x times more powerful ( UE5 doesn't struggle to load anything for my current needs and gaming is flawless on the CPU ) but RAM was actually the best thing I think. Reactivity and responsiveness is outrageously faster than before even though I use the same SSD. 24GB pool also get to help my GTX 1060 on some really heavy games where 6GB tends to struggle a bit.
Dude. This is gold. I just was conidering this topic
So this pretty much confirms to us that 16GB ram is the official entry point for 9th gen gaming.
P.S: your cyberpunk gt1660 raytracing video just got a shoutout in the latest digital foundry direct weekly video podcast.🎉
PS5 has 16 GB RAM, and games are written for consoles. However, with some background processes in Win 10,11 bloatware, sometimes you could need more than 16 if only to avoid micro-stutters.
@@aleksazunjic9672Agreed. Which is why win10 optimizations guides on CZcams are a lifesaver
@@SlickOnTop Yup, but they are too complex for an average user, that does not like to poke around system ;)
@@SlickOnTop damn, they saved your life?
@@BarryChub they definitely did save the life of my PC
Nice, your cyberpunk RT on the 1660ti got a mention on digital foundry 👌
Great video as always I don’t see many doing videos about performance per watt in the uk that would make a cool video I think making the best power efficient set up
Did catch video, always glad to leave like 👍
i was going to go for 16GB for my new build, but a friend offered me 32GB 3600 for £18, and i simply couldn't pass on that. needless to say, i did not regret it, especially with the copious amounts of multitasking im able to do with that much memory. my APU also largely benefits as im running dual sticks
What a bargain
Congrats on the shoutout in digital foundry direct weekly!
Thanks so much! 🙏 I have a 12400f RTX 3060 PC I built not too long ago with 16 GB of ddr4 c16 ram, I was really wondering whether I should go for 32 gigs since I like watching CZcams while gaming. Your comparisons help thousands of people everyday and the size of your channel is truly inspiring, my channel is still small and I've been making videos for nearly 4 years. I hope my channel becomes big like yours one day... All the best and I hope this comment warms your heart if you do happen to read this ❤
Excellent benchmarks, like!
I find your humble honesty to have a wholesome quality not seen much anymore. Being surrounded by braggarts in my daily life, your videos are a relaxing breath of fresh air. You're kinda like the "Mr. Rogers Neighborhood", but with pc gaming.
This test would be very interesting with an APU and like 4GB or more configured as dedicated VRAM.
Fast ram makes a huge difference on APUs.
@@ndgoliberty Sure, fast Ram and dualchannel.
I ment it more like if you have 16GB RAM and have 4GB set for the APU to use an VRAM and that the OS uses about 3-4GB, there are basically ~8GB of the total memory left for the game/application.
In that case I bet, there will be a good difference between a 16 and 32GB system.
Great video, mate :)
This is QUALITY content
You should consider adding amazon affiliate links to your description, I literally just bought a 32gb kit because of this video
I would try this with some multitasking involved too. Like lets say a browser in the background/2nd monitor with a few tabs open and maybe a stream/youtube vid playing at the same time.or maybe even some other stuff like discord , spotify , wallpaper engine...
your vids are great. subbed
Just saw your comment about what games you mainly play. I think it would be a great idea to put together the cheapest pc that will run older titles with a few mods and see how it handles/how cheap you can build it for. So many people test with e sports titles when it comes to "super-budget" rigs and I think it would be helpful and appreciated to/by the folks who might just want to get back into that game (catalogue) they never finished in 2008.
TLDR: Budget Fallout/2000s era games rig video?
Much love from Nova Scotia!
Yeah that’s a good idea!
@@RandomGaminginHD holy fast response!
I also 100% understand the benchmarking more than gaming, it becomes addictive really fast. Probably why I hardly get into newer games as I'd have to bench them in every possible configuration purely out of curiosity first. Its a curse lol
It’s kinda been done to death tho, like budget gaming pc’s seem to be 50% of computer content. Not to mention all the old benchmarks from years ago are also budget builds now on top of that
Very interesting. Thanks.
G'day Random,
Nice comparison, so many people in comments saying "YOU NEED 32GB for gaming" I like these videos that show what actual gains you will get & while with 32GB there is some improvement gaming but it is not performance destroying, 16GB can still be fine especially depending on the games you like & settings you play at.
Plus the good thing about PCs being evolving & not locked like a Console is rather than cutting cost elswhere like CPU or GPU if you start with 16GB unless you went with a 2DIMM Motherboard there is always the option of finding another 8GB RAM to match your original set later on when you can afford it after saving some more.
Thanks for the info
For me, the main reasons for 32GBs (4x8gb) are:
running memory in dual rank (marginally better 0.1% lows)
being able to play heavily, HEAVILY, modded minecraft and skyrim
virtual machines (VMs are a lot of fun)
And host dedicated servers at the same time you play with friends, in heavily modded servers on minecraft for example xD, or 7dtd, etc
I'm an engineer, I must admit I leave a lot of programs on. With librewolf and not much else running in the background I consume 40% of my ram, or 14gb/32gb.
@@humble2246
And you should be able to do that without the computer complaining. Your computer serves you
@@Rayer24 Not really, I'm an electronics engineer, I really serve the computer. Lol.
@@humble2246 that’s the most bada** comment iv ever seen. Very humble
Intelligent Stanbdy List Cleaner (ISLC, from the maker of DDU) is a nice small software for cleaning up standby list automatically. Windows fills this up by itself with time and in some games it causes stutter. It can be left safely in the background and it will clean the list automatically thus reducing stutter.
Tnx for this video m8, you just save me some money
Thanks for the content! Any chance you can test the performance of the AM5 igpus? I'm trying to see how it performs on older titles like Minecraft and also on esports titles.
I upgraded my RAM a couple of months ago from 1x16GB stick to 4x8GB DDDR4 3200MHz sticks ngl the difference was huuuge not just in gaming but in basic tasks as well. Gonna upgrade the CPU in near future from a 3500X to a Ryzen 5700X and liquid cooling.
Thank you for this video, Great one!
Nice video, however. If you have a PC that has 4 RAM slots, you will see a much bigger difference if you use 4 x 8GB Cards instead of 2 x 16GB cards as the CPU can then use multichannel to increase the bus throughput (On my sons i5 single channel got a Passmark score of 2200, multichannel went up to 3500). If using an Nvidia card, to see the biggest improvement, change the settings in the Nvidia control panel from quality to performance.
Digital Foundry gave you a shout-out and big companies are sending you big things.
You're going places, dude.
the test may be unfair because the 32gb kit could be dual rank models that may be why spiderman and cyberpunk took a hit with 16gb despite the game using only 8gb ,so the best to way to test the difference is virtual machine with the same kit
you always brighten up my day
Thanks for watching. Comments like this brighten up mine :)
Thanks, the less stutters are what I hoped for when I upgraded my aging system to 32GB DDR3-1866 from 16GB DDR3-1600. I think the results should be transferable, or I'd even think that even older systems should need enough ram more necessarily in order to keep modern games stutter free.
Good to know about the content creation side though.
Great video! I have an idea for one. Ryzen 5 5500 vs Ryzen 5 3500x on a RX 6500XT. As the 5500 has HT and pcie 3.0 vs the 3500x that has pcie 4.0 plus doble the L3 cache but no HT it will be an interesting comparison when both are paired with an RX 6500XT infamous pcie bandwidth
This video is right on time . Was considering buying 32GB of RAM today since memory is so cheap now, but I've had no problems with the 16GB I've been using in the games I play. I'll probably just keep using that for the time being based on these results, thanks!
I mean if all you do is game It's not really worth it but if you are running a lot of memory hungry applications It's definitely worth it.
@@Gatorade69 Yeah my gaming computer is ONLY for gaming. I have a separate work laptop and a media server PC.
@@vinyfiny Yeah, if all you do is game then It's not worth it. I game and work on my PC and 32gb was a nice upgrade, a nice upgrade that I couldn't pass up at 5.99$ for 32gb.
What gpu do you have? 0.1% lows is important. If you have 8gb gpu and playing new AAA games, I would recommend adding another 16gb
@@daniil3815 I have a 3080 10GB which hasn't seen any issues in any games YET. Plus my backlog of games is going to take me years anyway so by the time games start needing more than 10GB VRAM I won't get to those games before I upgrade my GPU again😂.
Congrats on the DF shoutout
The thing I like about your content is that it gives me a reality check on what is actually usable. There's a lot of channels out there that (for obvious reasons) focus on the latest most powerful CPU and the stonkiest GPU, usually the RTX4090. All I want to do is use my machine for productivity and gaming, do I really need to spend $5,000 to do it? Obviously not. I would really appreciate you continuing this theme of realistic builds for 'normal' people. Here's a question. Just how much does RAM speed actually affect overall gaming performance. for example DDR4 3200 Vs DDR4 4200 or DDR4 vs DDR5. Not in synthetic benchmarks but actual gaming or productivity. Even in today's market is it worth the upsell?
It’s like this with everything online. If you’re not min maxing you’re trash!
Was thinking of upgrading myself from 16 to 32 gigs, but after seeing this I don’t really think now is the time yet. I’d love to see however how 16 vs 32 gigs can handle much more RAM(and CPU) dependent games such as Cities: Skylines and Hearts of Iron IV, as in my experience those games are the ones that benefit from an upgrade to 32 gigs. Nonetheless, still a great video.
I had a similar experience when it came to better 1% and 0.1% lows when upgrading from 8gb to 16gb back a few years. Although my avg FPS on SQUAD increased marginally, it was an overall smoother experience with fewer stutters. I was running on a R3 2200G and RX-460 2gb then mind you, if I had something with more VRAM it might have made a smaller difference.
I've had these sticks since my r7 1700 at release, only worked at 3200 since agesa6 which took a couple of months to wait. Still use them on a 5800x3d, only it's 4 of them (no thanks to modern browsers), amazingly these are still on the same memory chips as all those years ago. Nice RAM.
I was really thinking about upgrading from 16 to 32gb on my R5 5600/3060Ti setup. This video came in at the perfect time. I still think that i'm gonna upgrade even if there isn't any measurable performance gain because i often play games with discord and 1/2 tabs of Chrome in the background besides all the windows things running. It should also help a little down the line when inevitably the 8gb of VRAM on the 3060Ti will truly become an annoyance.
I'm in the same boat, tho only a 2070 and an i5 not a Ryzen.
It's not that I'm expecting double FPS(Or even really any notable improvement) in games but, I often multibox clients of WoW while having Steam, Discord, Chrome with a shitload of tabs etc etc. And I have noticed my system hitching a bit sometimes when it begins hovering around 90% RAM usage.
More RAM isn't about getting more FPS. Your computer will be more responsive when you got a lot of programs running in the background because more data can be kept in RAM instead of being swapped to a relatively slow SSD or HDD. DDR4 is so cheap at the moment, 32gb for everyone.
Only by 4k you gone need more systeem memory.
A lot of other games under 4k you really only need between 8/12Gb.
Only if you do more like video and browser and more.
Than you need more.
For the rest well all my systeem are fine with just 16Gb.
Wel my laptop have 32Gb its not use it.
@@dyslectische not true, it depends on what you have running in the background. Was just a headache closing all the background apps I had running and this will be more an issue with newer games like hogwarts legacy.
its more a matter of being able to go into any game that you want, without having to close any tabs, background tabs, or anything at all in the background ever, as well as smoother and snappier os experience in general. in game with nothing left in the background there will be little difference.
Worth noting that your error bars should increase as you go to 1% and 0.1% lows because you'll have fewer data points to draw from. So whereas you might, for example, say that +/-2 FPS is within margin of error for average FPS, the margin of error might be 5 and 10 FPS respectively for the 1% and 0.1% lows depending on how long the test was or how many samples you took. Note these numbers were just for illustrative purposes and aren't hard and fast.
This. 0.1% lows mean you only have a sample size of 1 in thousand. Let's say you take an hours worth of game footage, then 0.1% are the worst 3.6 seconds of fps. Imagine that even the slightest difference in what's happening can make a giant difference in those frames.
Since the RAM isn't close to the limit of 16gb in most of those cases and still has the same bandwidth etc, I doubt it makes a noticeable difference.
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Can you explain what are 1% lows and 0.1% lows in this easiest way to understand?
OMG I can't believe this video, I just upgraded from 16 to 32 with the very same Corsair modules not a week ago, only by having 4x8 instead of 2x8GB. Though I have a 3060Ti. And the changes really weren't apparent, but I benchmarked FH5, CP2077 and WarThunder and the biggest win was in 1% figures as I also expected. Sadly it cannot run in Quad channel mode, since the B-450F doesn't support it.
i don't think any consumer boards support quadchannel? only x99 and similar
Exactly the content I needed to see and hear. Other reviewers test their 16 vs 32 gigs on very high end builds which don't reflect what most people have. I'm building a budget PC using Ryzen 5500 and RX6600 so I needed to know if 16 vs 32gb of RAM is even relevant to me, considering that the main bottleneck should be my GPU instead. Here in Malaysia the price difference between 16 and 32 is rather huge (almost twice the price of 16 for the 32gb RAM) so your video does allay my fears on going with 16GB of RAM.
Also an upgrade of gpu would be highly recommended, 32gb ram with a RTX3060 would be the right choice, which in my case worked prefectly.
tip: you can add RAM & VRAM usage metric for the game process in the OSD on afterburner
Concerning Spider-Man Remastered, that was the one game that spurred me on to upgrade from 8GB of RAM, and I did actually see a massive improvement in-game after the upgrade. Though I might leave it a little longer for upgrading the rest of my rig, it's still doing pretty well for most of the games I play.
I love your approach to testing things, extremely thorough and even more thoroughly explained.
Using a Ryzen 7 5800X myself, I did notice a change in multi-tasking/general purpose use when going from 16 to 32 to 64gb of RAM. Gaming doesn't seem to make much difference, and I'm glad you pointed out that 16gb is plenty for just gaming.
The reason you should upgrade your memory is to give your OS "breathing room" to do more outside of the game. Most games by themselves will not benefit from a 16to32 memory upgrade (at this time)... better APU/iGPU performance maybe?
hey bro, I love your vids (been a subscriber for many years)
I just watched the video of the fastest APU (5700G)
how about if you can, do a video of the fastest older APUs and Core i7 running games that were released back in their time
not modern ones (they wouldn't even start of course)
ex: as the first APUs are from 2011, so, testing games from 2011/2010 to compare how well they ran with newest models
Hello rghd, can you test a used processor for a few years vs. a new one in the box, it would be interesting to see if they deteriorate and lose performance
I have a i5 12600k with a 4070ti. It works fine but I'd love to upgrade to a 13900ks when the prices drop. I'm a bit wary of doing this on my Gigabyte Z690 gaming mb. It would be great if you could possibly make a video upgrading your setup in the future which would help me out a lot.
Nice vid....
We have very similar systems. Mine is 12400F -32GB RAM - 3060 which never leaves me feeling it's not enough.
Can you Review/ Benchmark more Laptops and portable devices?
I'm also curious if there's a specific Video card you would recommend to upgrade a system with a 500 watt power supply?
A nice coincidence. I happen to use the exact same 32gig RAM kit on my PC. Corsair Vengeance LPX is a great choice for gamers on a budget.
Yeah it’s great low cost stuff :)
Perhaps a test with something running in the background would make an interesting video? Can you still game with something running in the background? More cores would obviously help, but what about more ram? Do the modern CPUs deal with this scenario better?
Could you make a video of how tuning ram can make a difference, if it does?
Like tightening all the subtimings such as trrds, trrdl, tfaw, trfc, trtp, twrrd, trdrd, trefi etc
You should be able to tighten up the timings, and clock it to 3600. You'll see a good performance boost. Also good that you are only using 1 DIMM per channel, as it's easier on the memory controller. If you want to drop the model number of the new RAM, I can set you up with a good stable starting profile for the timings.
Have a great day, Sir! o7
some of the LPX sticks don't play nice with tight and fast OC unless you put the juice to em. with the added voltage they get hot as hell. not sure if its a defect in some sticks or if its just a binning issue.
It's not an AMD platform, the memory sub system on AMD is so bad it needs all the help it can get, Intel systems don't have that problem
It’s an Intel system so speed and DIMMs per channel don’t really matter. Would be a lot of work for not much gain.
Ignore the other comments, will do better with faster, free performance.
Also intel doesn't have nothing on the 3d chips, it's really yesterday tech..
I tried to fiddle with LPX memory on 4 systems and it never worked.
can I ask what software you use for the stats? Ive never been able to find out lol
I have this ram kit, 4x8 vengeance lpx 3200. love it. CPU is i7 9700KF and a Powercolor Fighter 6700 xt
can you do a set up tour 2023? would be nice to see your pc and set up compared to other youtubers who always go crazy with their setups
My setup is massively unimpressive haha
@@RandomGaminginHD would be nice tho haha, since every pc build ive seen from others are always pushing for the highest of frames instead of just using components that are on the budgent end of things. thanks for the video, i was thinking of upgrading to 32gb of ram but there seems to be no benefit just yet well at least in gaming
Nice, did you just get 2 extra 8GB ram sticks or got 2x16gb ?
I did this very upgrade just a week ago. Bought the same exact 2x8Gb kit, that I already had. Only back in 2020, when I built this PC, it cost 75€, but now it was 37€
I have 32gb on my Ryzen 5 2600 build, the motherboard is the Asrock A320M-HDV Rev 4.0 so could only fit 2x16s but between the capable Ryzen, a ton of fastish RAM, main drive is a fast m.2 SSD 1tb and a RX570 8gb and I can tackle most titles easily and with good settings too. Not just games either, Davinci Resolve is lightning fast rendering quite sizeable video, I do love my lickle Ryz5 rig... 8-10 secs from power on to desktop in Win 11...
I'm tempted to get one of those 7840U powered systems with the 64GB (7500MT/s) option. Comes with more storage by default... 2-4TB, depending on model bought.
Ive not even watched this yet, but the title alone has grabed me. You keep bashing these vids out, so relevant to me personally, and im sure with the state of afairs in most countries, its the type of money saving or super useful tests consumers appreciate.
Now ill watch the video 😄
Thank you. I always try and make relatable videos for all budgets :)
I had 16GB which is recommended for Borderlands 3. Afterburner reported I was using less than 11GB. After I got more ram, suddenly ram use went up to 14GB with the same use and 90% of the frame time spikes went away in BL3.
Windows compression must be very aggressive.
Can you redo these tests but while broadcasting to twitch or sharing screen over discord? While having some music on chrome, just to have a real case scenario, i dont think many people is closing everything but the game to play
i was just thinking of upgrading my ram to 32gb and conveniently you posted this video lmao.
Honestly more than I expected. I do care quite a bit about those 0.1%lows
How are you capturing the game footage, capture card on secondary pc or are you encoding it on the same pc while playing? That might have a big impact on your performance as well.
Doesn't matter, same graphics card was used. On Nvidia cards since the GTX 650 (a card from 2012), capturing in-game footage barely takes up anything. It's called ShadowPlay. You press a hotkey and it dumps the last few minutes of the game that was running, including the overlay.
In The Last of Us Part 1 the difference is even more noticeable when using High or Ultra presets, I can tell that Ultra with ray tracing it improved a lot when upgrading
In hogwarts legacy you should've set the preset to high or ultra , since pumping up those settings increase ram usage significantly, at medium there won't be much of a difference
An entry level PC wont be playing hogwarts legacy in 4k which is what this video is based on.
@@16xthedetail76 yeah not at 4k but at it can run it at 1080p high or maybe ultra with dlss quality and that consumes way more vram even without increasing resolution
Exactly. When vram isn’t enough, extra RAM is lifesaver from stuttering
In these kinda tests I'd always love to see some realistic usage situations on top of gaming say discord open, a could google chrome tabs as rarely is someone just gaming these days without something else open in a clean system like test.
Im definitely ordering that deep cool case
the good thing with excessive amount of ram is you can make a ramdisk out of it, i got 512gb of ram on my dell t7610 using a software called "ultra ramdisk" i make 128 gb for doing FEA simulation, i saved the project on ramdisk and use an enterpise ssd as a cache storage, i can say it's a noticeable differece, doing topology optimization before with a sata ssd it took around 45 minutes and now it's around 15-20 minutes, and its only cost me around 660$ to build all system
If you want to know whether you need a RAM-Upgrade just check out the Windows "Task Manager" for the amount of Memory used, while things get laggy/slow. In the "Performance" Tab you will see which of the Computer Parts are running at their Limits. (CPU = Central Processor. GPU = Graphics Card). But, before you upgrade your Memory, check out the Processes, in case that there is a Process you didn´t expect to utilize so much RAM - with a right-click you may close it.
I got a higher end mid range gaming PC, I update from 16GB to 32GB just like this video I not notice any really different. However, It might be more useful when it comes to productivity, operating Windows(due to it saving temp data in the ram), and opening multiply web tabs. Basically, I think you will fee the upgrads more when it comes to productivity rather than gaming in.
lol i also have Corsair Vengeace LPX for my budget build, are they really popular for budget builds?
I've been using 48gb for a while now for no other reason than it was cheap at the time. I got the 3 sticks of DDR4 3200mhz for only £90 quite a while ago as they were untested and sold as not working, but they were were perfectly fine. I know the extra 16gb is almost certainly not necessary, but I leave it in there incase I need it for another build. At least I know where it is if I want it. Thanks again Steve for another inciteful video.
Would 3 sticks not be causing a slow-down though as you are not using dual channel? I always thought it had to be 2's 4's for dual channel ram to function correctly.
@@paulwilson1555 From what I read as long as two of the sticks are in the dual channel mode then it does not mess with anything. And my motherboard tells me if it is not in dual channel mode and it hasn't complained yet. And, thirly I never play any AAA titles I mostly use my PC for emulation, so i's not really gonna matter either way. But thanks for the thought though.
You should do a video on Atlas, LTT did their own but it would be cool to see the difference with Sandy Bridge or older generations of CPUs that are over a decade old, and not just something from barely 6 years ago that’s still very competent and not actual e-waste by today’s standards outside of W11 support.
I tried it on my HTPC that uses an i5-3470, and it felt noticeably snappier.
as charitable refurbishers we are watching the Atlas thing very closely, if it makes a viable and usable free alternative to ubuntu and OS Flex (which we currently use as a Windows alternative) it's going to be a hit with our end users
good to know. But how about dual vs quad channel vs double dual channel?
main reason I switched from 16 to 32 was because I was getting low fps on horizon/borderlands 3. Task manager said I was using up all my memory.
Think for gaming most games will be fine on 16, but for livestreaming it might be worth getting that headroom
I think extra RAM can come handy if you are VRAM limited. So maybe test with a card with 4GB VRAM and 32GB RAM. In those cases maybe extra RAM can be utilized by the game due to lack of VRAM.
It doesn't work like that. Only for APUs (where VRAM and system RAM is the same thing).
If the VRAM isn't enough, it will spill into the RAM, and if the RAM isn't enough, it will spill into the page file (on disk, which is something you REALLY don't want).
VRAM is always faster. It's also closer to the GPU chip, physically, while the system RAM is so, so much further away, and the data needs to travel through a lot of gates to reach the GPU. System RAM is an order of magnitude slower than VRAM. Especially when it comes to reading/writing parts of memory.
@@zdspider6778 it is like that. if you are VRAM limited on a dedicated GPU(not APU), the RAM usage does spike up.
How did you take the thumbnail photograph with no hands?
Put in all four sticks so you'll have 48GB. I did that with 2 kits of Patriot Blackout 3200 MT/s CL16. An 8GB kit (2x4GB) and a 16GB kit (2x8GB) for a total of 24GB. XMP enabled without a hitch and everything operated completely normal.
Did think the same. and left a comment for him to see 😀
Rghd great upload! Please redo with APU graphics please 👍!