How To Fix Sombra
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- čas přidán 10. 02. 2023
- As of Season 3, some information in the video is no longer accurate:
• 2:47 Sombra should now do 9.375 damage per bullet rather than 8.75 to hacked targets.
• 5:45 Ramattra no longer has a potential infinite duration ultimate, and is now capped at 20 seconds.
Nonetheless it should not detract from the concepts discussed. - Hry
"The least satisfying gun in the game"
Me, an SMG user, who loves smg, looking at sombra... The hero that has the only realistic looking smg in the game
as another smg enjoyer, tottaly agree. we need more smg heros NOW! (not tracer it is a tottaly different gun)
True. How can someone say that an SMG is the least satisfying gun? Sombra goes BRRRRRRRRRRRR. He must be a Zennyata main.
@@UltimateCerberus Yeah such smal but powerfull gun!!!!!!
lol I know right. That shit hurt when he said it.
Literally nobody is playing overwatch for realistic guns
I actually do like the first two ideas and I agree that I wish blizzard would get more creative with exploring her hero identity, but I personally feel that the third option would feel really annoying and people would find themselves in endless hacking loops because one or two of your teammates doesn’t realize they’ve been hacked and won’t leave
For the third one that’d be true…but then you’d learn that by playing the game more. It’s like anything when it comes to game knowledge. Like I JUST learned that Cassidy roll reduces damage taken and I’ve been playing for years.
@@tkn2863 Tbf, that Cass change is new to OW2
@@tkn2863 I didn’t know that about Cassidy LOL (I play since ow1 release)
@@tkn2863 Alternatively, it gives players a way to grief their teammates.
You have to be extremely careful about any feature that allows players to negatively impact their teammates directly. Because there will always be people who will abuse those features, whether for cheap jokes at others' expense, or because they're tilting at their teammates and want to ruin their team's fun.
True, but in a team based shooter, not playing is an arguably worse form of griefing. Sure you're not directly getting in the way of teammates but you are stacking the deck. With sombra's hack you would have to be close to your teammate, so on the frontline and thereby making you a damage sponge.
Do point out how I am wrong though, as I have never played Overwatch. Much love from TF2
I’ll play against a sombra instead of a widow/sojourn any day
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As a doom main Sombra is just an annoyance while fighting
@@Lani_Voices Im also a doom main and I hate sombras
@@Lani_Voices I started playing sombra because of annoying doomfist, appearing out of the skybox, insta kill combos. Turns out she was my favorite character all along. I get that they have to rework her but at this point she's just sad to play.
@@toddharig8142 I always see people play her wrong half the time used to use her alot
I've always wanted to explore the option to hack team mates, and "unlock" their potential in some way by hacking them.
Nothing over the top, but then you choose offensive or defensive approach like with Moira, but this would probably push her into a support role vs dps.
Sombra could easily be a support. I mean, she’s a hacker. Just hack your team mates extra health ig
They originally designed her as a support, but then abandoned that idea when it didnt work.
@@dry-cleaning6255they made doomfist into a tank lol
also zen exists
@@dry-cleaning6255 Well I didn’t expect her to be a support now. I’m just saying that it could make sense with her character in the story
@@dry-cleaning6255 they comoletely changed doom from a hardcore flanker that dies most of the times to cc into a tank that does no dmg and still dies to cc
These are some pretty good suggestions, maybe for gms it's different but i can miss some sombra shots from time to time, and if you happen to miss your target you usually run out of ammo exactly when they are on 50 hp and have to translocate back or they just escape due to the 1.5 second window to kill them. Meaning you either need to hack at the perfect moment or have another hero help you. That wasn't the problem before because you can take any hero into a fair 'gunfight' by hacking them for 5 seconds. They lose all their flashbangs and helix rockets, but you don't have any damage abilities either, so better aim wins
exept if your losing you can translocate out, they cant, not a fair fight at all
@@derrickrosespupil3607 Where's the fun in playing fair?
fr tho the fight itself is fair at that point, her being able to dip out is necessary for her to not be a throw pick.
@@toddharig8142 the fight is not fair, the target loses all their abilities and is left to 1v1 the sombra aim wise, if they are the better player, sombra can just tp out, if the sombra is winning they are forced to less, it is litteraly a 90% of the time risk free situation for the sombra, plus if she locks out the tanks abilities for 5-6 seconds, the tank will just straight up die, she would be the by far the best hero in the game, without a tank a fight is basically unwinabble
@@derrickrosespupil3607
As mentioned in the vid, sombra has low damage by design. Her being able to dip out is the counter balance to that.
We dont have such lockdowns anymore though and even if we did she was never really OP besides her ult, just frustrating for people facing her which is why they changed her.
@@toddharig8142 she wasnt never op in 6v6, she just wasnt op for the latter half of ow1 however she would be op in 5v5, leave a hog with no moves for 5 seconds when hes 300 hp and hes toast, same for sig, or ram, or most tank with a few exclusions, she would genuinely completely ruin almost any tanks expereince, and in an actual 1v1 sure even without moves a sombras gonna have a hard time out damaging u, but hitting her small hitbox is a problem for all the ppl in gold and below, which is the ppl the game is balanced for, sure a plat diamond or etc wouldnt have the hardest 1v1 but a silvers player worst nightmare would be sombra, shed be like the dps moira who doesnt actually need to heal her team.
I feel Sombra fits more in a support class because for one she inflicts debuff to enemies, but also can hack medpacks for herself and teammates
I think they could do something incredibly creative and make sombra a support. Hack could affect allies, giving them a damage boost similar to mercy’s boost, and instead of hack increasing damage on opponents, it decreases their damage. An alternative to hacking health packs, she could create a temporary, hacked health pack, or hacked allies get a passive healing like a Zen orb.
I had the same idea but now I'm a bit sad I didn't come up with it first :(
This is worst than tankfist being an actual thing.
@@IStillHaveLight well fortunately for you I highly doubt they will ever do this.
zen balls
I would love that, I currently usually main support heroes and I would love or sombra to be added to the bunch
Awesome ideas! I really hope Blizzard sees your video, you clearly have a strong grasp of game design.
You know I was pretty dubious about most of what you said at the beginning but not gonna lie, those last two changes could be kinda sick. Also thank you form making custom footage to show these off, it helped a lot with understanding what you meant and looked very cool
An idea I had was just changing the hack cast time based on the range. If you're like right next to the target, it is instant but if you are 15 meters away(max hack range) it would take 1.5 seconds.
1.5 seconds is an eternity for an ability that isn’t mobility or deals damage
@@razrv3lc I think that's the idea. It incentivizes getting closer to danger since she can go invisible.
But then every sombra would go right up your ass and one clip your head (if youre 200 hp healthpool) right after hacking. You would have to constantly move to prevent or minimalize the damage but some charaters cant do that. The thought alone is maddening. It would be yet another thing in OW that brings you to the edge of insanity.
@@justincain2702 she already has to, hack's effective distance is not that large
@@EnanoPancracio that's the point, 15 meters is the max distance you can cast Hack at, so it incentivizes risking yourself to get quicker hacks on targets
You're the most underrated overwatch tuber atm. Amazing videos ❤
This is an absolutely incredible suggestion. I don't struggle against her too much right now, but I would probably enjoy this version much more against or as.
This is how I felt about mei's change. I like crowd control. So these two were my favorite characters 🥺
All they had to do was give tanks tenacity so we couldn't lock out the tanks with crowd control
How the hell is sombra crowd control?
@@mysticalknight1004 Sombra used to silence people. silence is crowd control . Sombra use to lock people out of using their skills for 4 seconds at a time. silence stun freeze slow blind And more are all crowd control!
@@NiceIntelligentGamers key words “used to”
@@mysticalknight1004 I said "were" in my original post. 🤣
Cool ideas. I like the idea of doing damage to keep hack up, although I like the EMP damage ngl cause it makes it possible to do really good ult combos with Sombrero
Yeah but I think it's just way to easy to use for it to have any right to do the amount of damage it does.
You shouldn't be able to do literally hundreds of damage just by pressing a button and being in range of someone
you’re actually a good ow channel, that I didn’t think could exist until now you bring prolific new ideas to the table, that could make the game better. Keep it up man!
I really like this rework.
Another thing I thought was to make hack take a variable amount of time to pull off, and if you get to do a longer hack, they are disabled for longer. There's the minimum time that it is now, and it locks out for the 1 second. If you don't get interrupted or stop the hack, you can get even longer than 1 second.
It'd be neat, but I think you should be able to shoot while doing it.
You can hack them for longer, and you can defend yourself if you get attacked, but if you get found out, you gotta be a dodging pro in order to keep that lockout duration.
@@evangonzalez7732Nah thats pushing it
@@Devil1426D just an idea.
7:10 I can already hear the raging Pharah as the Mercy flies towards them. Would be hilarious to witness in a match.
Bruh i watched this video and i was like wow this is really good and a big effort video.
Then i went to subscribe and realized you only have 432 subs and damn you deserve so much more.
This is a very good video keep up the great work!
There are so much honestly they could do I love the concepts you made I personally believe translocator cast time could be interesting where she has to fully commit to the fight and can't just teleport away as soon as she meets resistance.
I am in disbelief at how small of a sub count and view count this has. I will share the video because this is so well made.
well presented and thoughtfully explained, nice vid!
I like it, I really like it. I was always missing a part of Sombra as a hacker since they shortened the ability lockout so much, this is refreshing, imteresting and makes sense
Since the Brig video you’ve earned a new sub ❤
Dude great vid, love the ideas, I'm always annoyed when I play Sombra because hack barely does anything so the only skill needed is aim for damage
Finally someone spoke out👏I am all for and agree with everything in this video
i don’t agree with some of the points in this video, but i gotta give MASSIVE credit to the presentation. seeing the characters you’re talking about sitting at the table is super neat.
The last one was the most realistic and most creative one i think. It's fair for both parties to play around with.
The final one is really creative, i love it
Great ideas! More fun for everyone with these changes 🎉
This is how you fix Sombra. buff damage to 8 and hacked damage to 10.
Drop her HP to 175. EZ fix.
Or keep her the way she is and just make it so any hacked target she hits heals her.
0:55 Sombra was not OP, players just Sucked ass to deal with her and took the easy way out by crying like always.
2:20 players like that have no ears or awareness. you won't get away with that shit in High Ranks. as soon as anyone hears that shit 3 - 4 players will turn around and dump on you EZ not even giving you a chance to shoot.
POV: Bronze player
seriously, i’ll admit she can be a noob stomper. outside of that she’s damn near a throw pick in the state she’s in now
Speaking facts
@@TypicalCynic_ Are you Bronze? cuz if you are Bronze Sombra should be EZ AF to kill anyone. try GM or Top 500. players are faster and more awake much harder to get kills as Sombra.
Hmm, these sounds nice, im your 400th subscriber btw
as well thought out as this rework is. people would still complain about it just bc it's sombra.
The problem lies in the fundamental concept of Sombra herself. Her role is to disable other heroes and taking away their control of their own abilities and the situation. Losing control of your hero in any way as a consequence of another heros actions (like old flashbang or other full stuns) that dont really take any skill (auto lock-on like hack), is a fundamentally bad feeling and the reason for the whole rework in the first place.
TLDR: being hacked isnt fun, even when well balanced
@@danielkiemes1143 honestly yup this is true.
Honestly I love the final idea as this could give some counterplay to pharmacy without outright nerfing them also the los one is interesting all in all solid suggestions
Prioritizing Counter play is an awesome way to go. I've been wondering what they could do and I really hope they take your approach.
I actually really love your sombra ideas. And frankly speaking, "Hack extends based on you dealing damage" is just so obvious, that Im flabbergasted that isnt how it works in-game.
I hope they add a hero that can steal abilities, and use an ability as resource.
I love that idea
Echo does that. Although I get what you're talking about.
Echo....
Not saying some of these ideas aren't worth considering, but a number of them would only serve to exacerbate the problems people have with her abilities like hack. Personally, I'd like to see Sombra's health total brought more in line with a character like Tracer's given how much utility it given to her in being able escape a situation freely, especially when we consider the impact that abilities like hack can provide to swaying a team fight. From there, I believe some power can be returned to her kit in small doses, making larger adjustments where needed.
Reducing her health to the lowest in the game would make her completely useless. She barely survives any damage thresholds already so this would just make her worse then tracer and nobody would pick her
She’s already still too underpowered. Taking a quarter out of her health would seriously make her unplayable. Not to mention it would pretty much make her identical to tracer except for the fact she’s worse equipped for flanking than tracer.
The only way they could do this is if they give Sombra the burst damage of Tracer. She doesn't do enough damage to warrant this kind of change.
I like the idea of hacked enemies not actually being hacked unless they're close together. I think the duration would have to be fair, and the cooldown would have to be fairly low, but it would space out the team in an interesting way, and it's a unique way to counter pharah-mercy. I also like the idea that when Sombra ults, she's simultaneously hacking every enemy within its range like the hyper-smart cyber girl she is. Like you said, it'd emphasize her identity so much more.
I think they should make it where if Sombra hacks at Target their screen is filled with pop up links and ads like a virus. so it's harder for the Target to see you and the more damage she deals to them the more their screen gets crowded
I want one of the pop-ups to read "hot single Mercy's in your area looking for someone to pocket"
I think seeing the hacked above enemies is super helpful because I know who sombra is shooting at in the given moment.
This is a really cool video! The first idea is one I really like. I have a few of my own that I'd like to share
One idea I had about how to increase the impact of Sombra and her hack while retaining its "anti-ability" functionality is to change it from straight up disabling (active) abilities and instead have it increase the cooldown duration of any ability on cooldown when they are hacked and any ability used while hacked (abilities without cooldowns would be given them and effectively be her normal hack). This would result in the person she's attacking have to make a choice between using an ability to kill, run away from, or force a teleport from Sombra and not have that ability for awhile or preserve that ability but have a harder time fending her off.
Another idea for Opportunist is that instead of dealing extra damage to hacked targets Sombra deals more damage (say like 15%) to targets under 50% health sort of like Echo's Focusing Beam. I know this goes against the idea that she shouldn't just be doing damage but I feel it goes along with the rest of Opportunist quite nicely as it incentivizes you to pick off weak targets that you can see through walls.
Another thing that fits with Sombra's character both in personality and her gameplay in some fashion is the control of information. Making hacked targets be able to be seen through walls by your allies was a good idea imo. An extension of providing information to your allies is denying information to your enemies. What if being hacked made the hacked target not be able to see their allies through walls and vice versa? In higher level games or any with a full team in vc it wouldn't be too much of a problem other than for Kiriko. But in games with less cohesion it would further enable Sombra or her allies to pick off enemies through a denial of information. Another thought I've seen in this direction is to make it so that hack conceals the UI of the target for its duration.
Lastly a couple more smaller things that I feel would make Sombra less annoying to fight against are
1. Make it so that there is either a maximum range Sombra can teleport to for her translocator and/or have it make a small beeping sound so it is easier to find and destroy.
2. Make stealth have a time limit that discourages being in stealth for a long time by making it have an increased cooldown if it ends naturally or from taking damage.
What do you think of changing her to support? Changing hack to promote faster cool downs, DMG reduction, speed, etc?
As I Sombra main I do like these ideas and wouldn't mind it if they actually implemented it. I wonder what they'll bring us in Season 4.
imo I think it would be better to move sombra to the support class, putting more influence on her hack would encourage disrupting abilities and denying health packs for the enemy team without directly doing damage to contribute, after all support doesn’t necessarily mean healer, even though every support can heal
this is a really well made video!
I like this very creative ideas love the vids !
I like your first hack rework idea, since it basically locks both sombra and the hacked target to a duel (unless someone decides to join in, that is
These are some good suggestions but I don’t think a lot of people understand why the devs wanted to make her more dmg based. She had the lowest win rate in the game in Overwatch 1. Removing the amount of dmg she has makes it where she has to depend on her teammates which at least in a comp setting are random players. It’s the same reason why Zen is meta in higher elo and not played in Gold, Silver, and Bronze. Characters need to be playable when you are alone and Sombra wouldn’t be with these changes. The damage buff has to stay. Also based on annoyance the most annoying thing prior to ow2 was the ability lock. Making it harder for her to be able to go on targets is the best method to make her less of a nuisance to the player base. I think either making a range for translocator, getting rid of perma stealth, or having to wait a second or two uncloaked to be able to hack a target
I was also thinking of making it where sombra does increased damage to any target 100hp or lower. This really empowers her assassination / secure potential and would replace her stupid increased damage on hacked targets
That would be extremely busted and also basically echos beam but not on cooldown
Wait this is actually a brilliant unique take
Really well presented video
they should make sombra a support, honestly, buff hacking healthpacks to make it somehow heal your team, she'd be a support similar to lucio where healing is NOT the main focus, her main focus would be shutting down enemies pushes, it'd fit her a lot more imo.
This is very beautiful
Absolutely love the first idea. This fixes all the problems with her. Instead of her being some dumb hero who can just mindlessly harass the enemy, she actually has an important role on the team and can be countered with some communication and awareness
as a sombra main i personally REALLY like the last 2 and we should build and tweak them but in concept it seems good !
I really like the idea of damage extending the ability lockout instead of hack just being discount discord orb
High quality videos, i tought u had 100k subs not 200
Really liked this video as a beginning point of discussion
In regards to your first idea, I think the concept that this makes sombra into a dual character very cool
We could reinforce this by making sombra not want to teleport away from battle which adds a greater risk vs reward sentiment to the engagement
Maybe hack duration is reduced by a second or two when she teleports away and the sound translocator makes is louder so you'll want to place it further from the fight
Forcing sombra to actively stay in combat and risk death if she can think she could win the dual
This also means if she loses the dual without dying (by teleporting out) the greater distance from the fight + the reduction of the back duration will effective make sombras tp away into a mini respawn
about her tp i have an idea
1 , if she tp out of fight she get the hack effect on her self , it will make people give effort into hiding their tp far away and you need to take the risk of throwing in middle of battle to run instead of no brainer
2 , she could attach it to an Allie to teleport to and on the ground but if the teammate dies or someone breake the tp she instantly force teleport
to her trance locator this way she need be aware of her placement and force her to play safe and place it far ( so she take more time to get into the objective) or risk it and maybe het flanked
My take on how to fix Sombra:
- Change to support hero
- Remove stealth
- Revert hack into a powerful interupt ability but on a long cooldown that requires a skillshot similar to sleep dart that now uses stealth's old keybind (Shift on PC)
- Translocator can now only be placed on healthpacks and will hack it
- Add ability to heal allies with old hack keybind (Right click on PC) and can offer burst healing when her hacked healthpack is avalible
- Remove the damage effect from her ultimate and rework into a defensive ult that if timed well interupts enemy abilities and buffs allies
There are some issues with this design but I feel like this is the kind of direction I would like to see blizzard take. Changing Sombra to a support would allow her to regain some of her more powerful utility while aligning with the new role identities established in OW2. Removing her steath, making hack a skillshot ability and changing her playstyle to play behind her team will allow her enemies to better track her movements and play around her powerful abilities.
As a sombra main, i think this would be amazing! Most of my games i get poor dmg outputs while barely doing anthing for my team when i hack, but i also get games where i do well dmg and elims wise but feel like i couldve just played soldier. These changes would make me embrace the hacker playstyle more and actually bring value to the team
If the last one infused a cleanse of all hacks on Sombra's death, it might be my favorite version of hack so far
As long as Sombra is able to have infinite invis and hack from invis, she cannot be balanced from changing damage numbers alone. She'll either be broken or useless, and we've already seen both those poles since the release of OW2.
I mean good Sombras will unstealth when they start hacking so they can shoot the target faster anyway. If all you're doing as Sombra is running around invis hacking people you're not doing anything other than being a fly in their ear. The only thing that would realistically do is make her setup at health packs take a second longer. And she's detectable when hacking anything so someone can turn around and see her. Brig swinging her mace around, mei using her spray, dva spam, etc. There's a lot of ways for Sombras to be caught out if they aren't playing well. And most don't know how to play well. Honestly if you made invis have a timer (Let's say 15 seconds) you wind up incentivizing Sombras to be more active in the fight rather than run around in stealth half the time hacking someone and running away.
This is exactly why we shouldnt let the community balance the game. Sombra was fine on release, only issue was that she could hack you repeadetly on a 4 second cooldown, but that has been fixed. Sombra wasnt even meta when she got her rework, maybe at the start of season 1, but towards the end i didnt see any sombras in my games, once people came to the conclusion : Why should i bother going on a flank, prey on a lonely target, hack them, spray them down, repeat; if i can just go pick sojourn and oneshot rail them all. Cut out the middleman, straight to the source.
I agree with the Sombra rework suggestions in this video, but at the end of the day, I think her play style makes way more sense for the support role. Honestly, in most movies, games, shows, books, etc hackers tend to work behind the scenes to enable their teammates to complete a goal. They're not usually the ones running around doing direct damage to enemies. And that's why her existence as a damager in this game is a pain and kill joy.
It would great if there was a character that was a hard counter to Sombra. Kiriko can cleanse a hack, but that only goes so far. Torb's turret used to be good against her, but for some reason the devs wanted to allow Sombra to hack it comfortably without it shooting back.
Sombra can be invisible as long as she wants, hack while invisible, lock players abilities briefly, has increased damage to hacked targets, can teleport away instantly with no delay, shuts down a lot of ultimates, and her ultimate does damage (which honestly makes no sense). She either needs to be a support that focuses heavily on hacking not so much on damage or a damager with less convenient/annoying gimmicks that has more direct damaging abilities. She could be hacking summoned objects as her damaging abilities instead of players for once. I mean, That's clearly what she was doing in her animated short (without the summoning part). I know that wouldn't happen though.
Although Overwatch is not a typical shooting game, this is the only shooting game I've played that has a character with annoying stuff like this. The only counter to Sombra is good teamwork, where teammates actually actively help each other survive, but that is unbelievable RARE to find in solo queue. No one gives a shit about their support. When I play dps, I'm very aggressive against Sombra to get her to back off my teammates if I can.
I really like your ideas on sombra she’s my favorite but im really fearful of what her “rework” will do to her. I lived without the damage boost in overwatch 1 so that would be fine but I would be devastated if she lost invis because that is one of the reasons I loved her to begin with.
if they took away the cloaking then they would have completely ruined her character. The name itself Sombra implies that she is a stalking shadow. it makes enemies paranoid which i love. They cannot take that from her.
translocater too. i fell so in love with her in her whole cinematic and the way she could just evaporate into thin air. it would just kill me for her to basically lose all her connection to that original introduction.
@@Yehoshua66 same from the cinematic i knew i was gonna play this character, i can only pray this isnt a symettra incident where she gets vastly changing abilities 😥
@@caseyhurst6267 So real… luckily i feel like sym is cooler now. that’s moving barrier was always strange to, it was just so fast so you only really got protection for like 2 seconds maybe. Now being able to transport your entire team to any level of high ground or cross any divide at any point that you desire is just so swaggy🤯
@@Yehoshua66 yea being able to leave from a fight you’re losing every single time to go heal and go back again is such fun 😑
I love that you call her gun a pea shooter
Him: sombra's hack is frustrating to play against so lets make her have to earn it
Also him: let give her ult 3 second of ability disables.
This would make her ultimate the a must have on almost every team.
Sombra's kit as a whole is flawed she needs a rework and to be moved to support if they're wanna keep the invisibility and tp or else she'll always not be valuable to the team without being overly tuned.
Blizzard needs to hire this person
The rework turned hack into a cancel skill against Reinhardt's Charge and some ults (Dead Eye, Rocket Barrage, Death Blossom, Terra Surge, etc., but no longer Whole Hog).
Hacking an enemy while stealthed may sound overpowered, but after uncloaking there's barely one second before your target can use skills again. It's like Hack is now a poor man's Discord Orb, as you said.
I basically only play Total Mayhem and Sombra used to be my go-to pick whenever there was a Doomfist harassing our backline or a Hammond contesting the point/payload. Now I don't even play her anymore.
I wish they brought experimental mode back and made these kind of changes to test if they work
Sombra is such a hard character to balance imo.
shes somewhat of a support but still a dps, she supports her team by stopping enemies and giving good info to her team, and she can do a good amount of damage, its kind of like how current Symmetra is, her tp and turrets are mostly her support usage but still her kit is still damage focused.
Her whole kit is so fitting for a character with her playstyle, which is a backline killer and an ability stopper, anything that gets removed from her kit just makes her feel so weird and not right.
I think if her rework removes a single ability from her kit she may get used even less, because she is 100% one of the most fun characters to play with, being able to teleport, stay invisible and sneak around, and cancel things. Anything that gets removed won't feel anything like the same character and more like a new character with an old ones few abilities.
Just praying her rework doesn't remove translocator or EMP because they are some huge parts of her kit, I can 100% invis being a long cooldown ability or giving it a certain amount of time you can be invis just like 1.0 OW1 sombra was.
idk if any of this makes sense but I will say you have some pretty good ideas for fixing a character who is such a hard character to balance, just because 1 small buff she can be broken or 1 small nerf she can be literal F tier.
I completely understand. sometimes when I’m playing sombra it’s feels cringe wiping out a entire tank oblivious to me. However let’s keep in mind Sombra is a damage hero and she needs to do as much damage as quick as possible so taking damage off of her Ult and making her hack need more action to be useful creates a gap. Causing her damage time to be come too long and making her useless. I believe that damaging a Sombra should remove hack or maybe some type of action should be available to block hacking. Like maybe Sombra get slowed down when she hacks and becomes visible. This would make her ability necessary for a more strategic time and place then her doing it shooting and running away.
This is honestly a really good idea for a rework, if not for the fact that Overwatch is a spaghetti of codes like League. Adding complicated mechanics like this would break the game further, and the devs surely have known this, thus they went with the band-aid approach that is the Sombra that we have now.
The best way to change Sombra imo would be to buff her impact on Health Pack hacking and put her in the Support class.
She’s like the perfect example of non-healing Support, which is why as a Support main, she’s one of my go to DPS heroes.
I love how i've said since Sombra was added back in O1 that they need to go all in with one side of her kit. They've always flip flopped between making her a good hacker or disrupt the enemy team by killing backline. They can't make both really good or we get O2 launch sombra. I remember when you had 15 seconds to be invisible and I never had a problem with this or when you couldn't hack being invisible. They can't figure out what to do with her.
I disagree with the idea of making hack damage and attack based. I do however, like making it a radius thing, and making it an indefinite thing only as long as sombra stays within range of an opponent.
This is the best thing ever!
as a sombra main, i nearly have to say that i would maybe even like here getting a COMPLETE overhaul. i would love the idea of here being some sort of gadgeteer, with many different gadgets, just like the spy in tf2. i'm not saying she needs a disguise kit or stuff like that, but i thought it would be cool. any maybe even change the gun (maybe something like a fast firing, semi automatic, silenced pistol?) an example gadget could be a movement sensor (works like sonic arrow, and has charge system like sym turret or reinhardt firestrike, which she trows like current translocator) we could keep the stealth but remove the get out of jail for free card (trans). it would be healthier for the game if getting into the back lines was high risk high reward i think. a REALLY bad idea (but a fun one) would be the implementation of a backstab melee ability, that works the same as spy backstab in tf2. i'm no game designer, so please don't roast me too hard lmao
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I remember when playing against sombra used to be fun. Like it used to completely change the game into a mental game. And the Sombra would win on strategy alone.
blizzard needs to hire you to their balance team. your reasoning is very fair and logical! its clear that your mindset, applied to other heroes will do nothing but benefit the game
The first two ideas are great but the last one has the potential to punish *you* too much if *your* *teammates* are bad and either don't realise they're hacked or don't disengage correctly.
This made me realize that sombra actually works great and reworking her would be stupid
Sombra is fine how she is
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she was fine the way she was before the nerf.
@@reddragon2943 She was too overpowered in that specific patch, but she is in a good spot now. Not too strong, not too weak.
@@reddragon2943 no she needed a small nerf but then she was overnerfed now she could be considered balanced but maybe a little underpowered in terms of damage, the problem is no matter what people are going to complain about Sombra even if she's the weakest dps in the game but that can be chalked up to their own lack of skill
as a dps you really don’t get the same value out of her as most of the cast
This damage-duration based mechanic looks very inconsistent. I think that her short hack is perfect for now. It's not designed for solo diving, it's designed to, for example, mute Baptist so he can't lamp Sigma ult right before impact, or to cancel Orisa terrasurge, or to prevent Kiriko from suzuing or tping away for a second during team dive etc. It needs coordination
I also spent some time thinking about sombra, i really like her, your rework sounds like a very fun way play sombra and also, here's my humble rework:
- hack duration 6 seconds. cooldown 2, no hacking to already hacked heroes.
- hack fx 1: abilities blocked for 1.5 seconds
- hack fx 2: during the first 3 seconds of the hacking, every source of ult charge will give the victim NEGATIVE ult charge x2 if your ult charge is between 5% and 95%
- hack fx 3: If an ability is used under hacked condition, that ability will go on cooldown with extra 10 seconds
- hack fx 4: 20% less damage to sombra, hacking sombra will do 20% extra dmg to the victim, both dmg modifications apply unless you are an enemy sombra.
- EMP: applies these fx to every enemy, but EMP hack extends 10% extra dmg to allies.
- Keeping actual passives, role/heroe
- translocator and invisibility partially lost when hacking are cool to me
i would love to try these in experimental
I do really enjoy these ideas. Honestly, one thing I feel needs fixed for sombra is a minimum damage requirement to stop a hack. Because, right now 1 point of damage can stop a potential hack, making Dva the best character to counter her. When, Dva is one of the characters that Sombra should be focused on hacking in order to shut down a dive comps. I feel as though a minimum damage of say, 30 or even 20 damage in order to stop the hack. Still easy to achieve, yet opens a window of opportunity for Sombra's to be able to pull off more hacks in the long run. It also makes it easier for Sombra to play with her team in team fights as she can scour the edge of fights, rather than needing to completely backline flank.
I also agree with some of the other comments around her invisibility, it should not be infinite, or in a more radical case shouldn't exist at all. A more agreeable ability in my mind would be something akin to Hanzo's sonic arrow allowing both her and her team to scout enemies, or Moria's fade, where she can dip in and out of the fight giving her more survivability. These are just suggestions but I feel her invisiblity is worth looking at even further.
In terms of translocation, it's.... Well, it's not fun, either to play with or against. It's a panic button and often times is utterly worthless at actually doing anything unless you have a set location to teleport back to. But, in a fight without it already being set or it was destroyed, it's a worthless button, when something more useful could be there. If, we were to give Sombra a speed boost fade like ability on a mid to long cooldown and short active timer, that say, allows her to travel through a wall, it would allow her to get to hacked health packs and back faster to rejoin team fights than what she's currently capable of. It would also do well for her as a flank, making her decide whether to use it to get a possible pick on an enemy support/backline, or to regain health during fights, or even as a way to disengage in bad situations. (I realize that this suggestion is going to be very controversial and I could absolutely see how it could be extremely broken, but it is just an idea so please don't yell at me.)
As for what could replace translocation, I feel a small disrupting pulse wave around Sombra could fit with her kit and work well. Perhaps maybe 5 to 10 meters around her? As Sombra needs to get close to deal optimal damage anyway, something that punishes diving enemies could work well in her favor. It could perhaps slow enemies that get too close, or apply the hack debuff while in range without locking their abilities. Or as a way to reduce enemies damage output by say... 10% as if she's hacking their weapons themselves? Or even as a type of debuff to healing, not a full anti-heal but it reduces healing received similar to cauterize in Paladins?
Something that I feel could be added to her hack is also perhaps a bit controversial. Allowing her to instead of disabling certain deployables like Sym's/Torb's turrets and Ashe's Bob, instead turning them against the enemy team for a few seconds. Imagine Ashe throws out Bob and Sombra hacks it and for 3 seconds Bob turns against the enemy team surprising them and possibly getting a few kills in the process. It would incentivize the enemy team to carefully plan when and where to use these as it could backfire on them if a Sombra is skilled enough to capitalize on poor placements or defensive lines. I feel that that could make Sombra feel both more engaging to play and more of a viable threat to certain playstyles. (This idea also follows the line of thought that Sombra could hack a Sym teleporter and use that with her team to rush the enemy). It also requires careful planning and team play from the Sombra to use this well.
As for EMP. It's not worthless mind you, perhaps one of the better tools in her kit, yet it feels rather lackluster in game. Applying the Hack debuff and disabling shields fits... But imagine if Sombra could fully lock down an aggressive team, by literally locking them in place? It wouldn't freeze them like Mei, but would instead throw up circular walls around anyone caught inside making it impossible for them to escape. Enemy supports could still heal their team from the outside, but anyone caught inside wouldn't be allowed to disengage from the fight, nor the Sombra's team. This could perhaps last maybe 4 - 6 seconds? Plenty of time to capitalize.
Or if that idea isn't something you'd enjoy (as I'm sure it could get frustrating and perhaps too useful at winning fights). Why not instead an AOE effect where anyone that enters is debuffed with reduced healing (or anti-heal that could be cleansed) and the hack debuff? Perhaps it lasts 7 - 10 seconds in a 15 meter circle from where Sombra cast it?
Although, I do feel her EMP could also just be left alone as is.
Regardless, this was really long, but I do hope this spurs more ideas in everyone as to how Sombra could be come a more engaging and satisfying Hero to both play as and against. Please let me know your ideas, I love coming up with ways that Sombra in particular could be reworked.
I think Sombra should play in the Support Role instead of the DPS role. This change would 1 dilute the DPS category and add another to a less represented role and would add a new design idea to it.
2, introducing this new idea into support role would widen it's design space. The disruptor role which she would fill would be one that is excellent at skirmishes: Hacking health packs to support team mates instead of outright healing them herself.
This could also be an interesting trade off: sacrifice a healer for someone who can shut down enemy abilities?
To do this I would change hack to silence enemy players for 2s but have a debuff place that lasts longer. During this debuff period, enemies would have an effect that will tell the player that a hack is being performed and if they don't damage sombra before it is completed it will have additional effects.
These effects could be:
-an additional 1s silence
-ultimate charge decrease
-antiheal
-slow
-Sonic Arrow effect
-or direct knowledge of how their ability cooldowns for 3s.
Because she is moved to healer her hack will also further boost health pack regen, grant increased healing after pick up, and will highlight it for every player on your team.
Honestly I think apart from the last one (due to simple movement speed) these changes could definitely work to fix some of sombra’s issues and make her less annoying to play against.
I think these would also pair well with a change to stealth, with something like reducing its duration from an infinite amount of time, down to like 6-8 seconds and give it a longer cast time, but make it where she isn’t knocked out of invis when shot. That way it becomes a way to fade in and out of fights rather than being something to sneak attack a target which imo is the worst part of her playstyle.
tbh at that point just make her support, her low dmg, impactful but slow abilities, and her lack of hp would end up qualifying her in that role, the only thing shed be missing is a heal, she already has a support ult lol
@@ReunionMana I don’t see how that qualifies as support. I mean sure it moves most of her kit towards reactive gameplay rather than proactive which is uncommon for dps and common for support, but the overall utility is still entirely based around offensive utility rather than supportive.
What you just said is turn her from a bad character to one that might as well just be deleted due to how trash she is
@@minemagicplayz not really sure why that’s the case. She needs changes that make her less of an invis assassin and a change like this would move her out of that role while leaving her flank pressure style intact.
damage bonus against hacked targets is definitely intended to motivate you to stick around in a gun fight but ultimately fails to
I love the 3rd idea the most, but I have ny own idea I want to throw on the table
still no opportunist damage buff, and not sure how this would affect emp, but what if hack was a channeled ability? as in, if you want to keep an enemy hacked, you have to hold the button the whole time, still with an initial delay and breaking the hack and putting it on cooldown if she gets shot while using it so there can be some counterplay. the idea would then be to interupt or disable key enemy abilities at opportune times to enable your teammates to do their work. I believe this would be less frustrating to play against because if a Sombra tries to pick you off you know you'll have your abilities for her, and when you are hacked she cant use anything else either, but that's also where a concern rolls in; is it good to disable your enemy abilities (importantly still leaving their primary fires available) while you disable yourself entirely to do so? it might be worthwhile to have targets take damage while being hacked by Sombra so that hacking enemies doesnt leave you as disabled as the enemy you're hacking, or if not that then have the ult charge allies build up on targets you have hacked also apply to your own ult charge so that it contributes to your ult economy much more, then rework EMP to be much more fun and interesting so it feels worth it but still fun and fair to play against
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One of the most evil suggestions I've ever seen is to make objects Sombra hacks (Torb, Bob, Symm Tp, etc) basically switch teams for its duration.
Adding skill to hacking targets sounds like the best way to make it less frustrating and unfair. And this is coming from a guy who kept getting chain hacked back in OW1 as a tank (please, let me play) and hacked often enough that I wasn't allowed to make space at all (Zen Sombra is a surprisingly painful combo, Allowing people to hurt the discorded target if they try to make space is big pain)
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I actually think sombra is in a pretty good place right now. Even if she hacks a target in the enemy back line, you need to be cracked with your aim to even one clip them (not counting different hero hit boxes that make it harder to do this).
At top level,where there’s more peels for your teammates, you’re usually not even one clipping someone. The hack doesn’t even block out abilities for that long and they’re locked out from being hacked again for a big chunk of time leaving you unable to hack them out of their ult once they get their abilities back up. There’s so many more heroes that feel frustrating and unfair when it comes to getting killed by them. Maybe she can be reworked but it seems like people only want her reworked to make her worse, not better in a different way.
Sombra could be reworked to be sort of in between support and dps. I had this idea where you could drop her damage but give her the ability to stockpile hacked health packs that she can drop for teammates (or can be picked up by quick enemies, like lifeweaver's leave the battlefield effect.)
In my opinion this points to the biggest issue with overwatch: stop balancing with numbers, start giving people actually interesting passives that makes their kit complicated and interesting.