1/4 The Lost Portrait of Bonnie Prince Charlie: A Culture Show Special
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First broadcast: Feb 2014.
In 2009, art detective Dr Bendor Grosvenor caused a national scandal by proving that the Scottish National Portrait Gallery's iconic portrait of Bonnie Prince Charlie, the rebel Stuart who almost seized power in 1745, was not in fact him. Keen to make amends, and suspecting that a long-lost portrait of the prince by one of Scotland's greatest artists, Allan Ramsay, might still survive, Bendor decides to retrace Charles' journey in the hope of unravelling one of the greatest mysteries in British art.
This guy needs his own channel for sure.
love these programs. Wish you had many more
This is truly a delightful documentary, beautifully shot, and with all the right facts in the right order, which actually makes it moving. I am truly honoured and flattered that the BBC chose to use my music throughout this wonderful gem. Thank you!
Well, it's very nice music.
@Phamie Gow ... delighted to read your comment here! I'm always looking up IMDb to discover the composers & performers of the music used in the movies, TV mini-series & documentaries I watch. I'm off to google you now. Cheers!
@@thegreaterbilby2171 how lovely to know! Thanks for your interest. Most of my albums are on all social media platforms. And now recording my 10th album. Enjoy!
I am French and I don't understand all what is said, but I was always moved by the story and Bonnie Prince Charlie's life.
Thank you for the video !
In the settings, you can have this show you French subtitles! :)
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Thank you so much for this!!! I've seen the documentary on BBC iPlayer back when it was first shown but this is now of immense value for my dissertation on Allan Ramsay :)
Lovely cover,
The tracking sound is so nice .
Thank you for your clear coverage
Simply fantastic!
Fantastic my favourite piece of history and Bonnie Prince Charlie one of my heroes
Thank you Brendor , I have shared this great documentary to a Royal Stewart autosomal DNA group I run, for the members to enjoy and learn from
Get a grip.
Wonderful, thank you!
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
+DrawWith Light ...Gladly done !
thanks a million for the quality upload i cant see this in the states
Excellent work! Scotland’s royal line swept away at the stroke of a Protestant pen!
I have to say this...the story behind the name "Bendor" could be a subject of an interesting documentary itself...him being a member of the Grosvenor noble family whose main line holds the title "Duke of Westminster". If anyone wants to know more look up "Scrope vs Grosvenor". ;)
great video of a true story that I love.
As a Cameron of Lochiel, McGregor and STEWART descendant.... thank you for this!
Course you are. He was a Stuart anyway, not a Stewart.
@@monkeytennis8861 Yes, I know. My ancestors PROTECTED HIM. Had zero tolerance for a peasant like you.
Bravo!
This was very interesting history🏴🏴
🎍 Thank You!
Love Fake or Fortune.
Bonnie Prince Charlie deserted his men. He allowed his English supporters at Manchester to die. He ignored the advice of his officers, especially Lord Murray. Many Jacobites were surprised Charles invaded England as it was a Stuart promise to dissolve the Union and make Scotland independent with the Stuarts back on the Scottish throne. However, it was England Charles wanted. Scotland was a stepping stone and its people mere fodder. He made sure he escaped Culloden.
The Stuarts were the rightful rulers of both
Scotland and England. It was truly all or nothing.
He didn't deserted them. That is one of the many propaganda lies of him that have been believed. He was taken off the battlefield at Culloden by a group of his soldiers who thought that there that the battle was already loss. He wanted to charge when they grabbed him.
2. Jacobites weren't surprised that Charles would invade England it was common knowledge that, yes, the Union would be abolished, but it would be like before the act of union, where England and Scotland each were separete Kingdoms, but had the same Monarch.
Scotland was unable to sustain itselft economically without England. The intention to go to England was know since the start of the rebellion.
@@lucario2188 and he replied ‘do what you wish, but for god’s sake let us go’. He took with him the last of the Jacobite funds off the battlefield and his men behind. His advisers also told him to remain in Scotland, lie low and resume hit and run attacks. He instead left for France. As his officer Lord Elcho summarised ‘There you go for a damned cowardly Italian!’
@@monarchist1838 Another bunch lies, Elcho never said that about him. Although it is true that Elcho later in live grew to dislike the Prince and had a fight with him about a debt, he never said that about him. It was a lie invented by the Pro hanoverian article written by Sir Walter Scott in the Quarterly Review. Scott’s account was comprehensively rebutted by A. C. Ewald in 1875, who noted that it was not in Elcho’s own Journal and was inconsistent with other accounts.
I’m becoming a Bendor groupie.
Bendor head-to-toe in leather? Hell, yes!
I was wondering if those were leather pants in the beginning...
@@wryckingbaul8612 No that it's my business: but I believe Bendor is marriage material, totally.
Damn! at 00:58 - clearly he is wearing a wedding ring. Whomever they are, they're lucky. :)
@@ivorytower99 You just noticed? He's been wearing it for years. Just check old episodes of "Fake or Fortune" and see that he was wearing it then.
@@wryckingbaul8612 My eyes were not on his hand, when watching Fake or Fortune?.
FYI it was George's mother whom they made the next heir to the throne. She, however, died before she could succeed.
I'm American but love anything about art, and this "art detective" series is fascinating. I am appalled, however, that the Scottish museum has relegated that magnificent portrait by LaTour to storage just because it's not Prince Charles! What a crime to deprive people of seeing this masterpiece! Was also puzzled to see in the castle a painting hanging right above a radiator. If it's a working radiator, there's not a worse place for a painting to hang. All that steam & heat would ruin it!
Appalled, are you? Get some perspective.
American, here. I wish Dr. G had offered some explanation of how he determined other portrait (French pastel) was actually the brother, Henry. Whole program wonderfully done but I'm left clueless about that portrait. I will ask the internet and see what comes up.
@Gibbers King I agree, that would be a very interesting episode!
"Dr. G"
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Anyone in my class having to watch this and looking through the comments?
Physic Callum :oooo
I’M HERE
yo im here also
Is Mr Grosvenor related to the former editor of the National Geographic Society?
“I am come home” his grammar was especially is.
Glossed right over was 1688 and the Protestant 'Glorious Revolution' of William and Mary ... Mary being the eldest daughter of headless Charles I, and sister to previous Kings Charles II and James II ...
At that time, the future Bonnie Prince's future father the erstwhile 'Pretender' James III was only a newborn infant himself, suddenly taken in flight to Catholic France ...
From the Stuart's 1988 banishment to young Charlie's 1745 landing in Scotland ... 57 years, that's a long time to grind an ax!
Mary was born in 1661, 12 years after Charles I was executed, you clown. She was the daughter James II, a Stuart. Later, her sister, Anne ruled and she was a Stuart. So, the Stuarts weren't expelled in 1688, or in 1988 as you've written.
Mary was James II daughter, Charles II nice. 🙄
A portrait of Bonnie Prince Charlie is to go on public display for the first time at the National Museum of Scotland in Edinburgh. It is not the one by Allan Ramsay, was there another one?
Ole Engell Andersen probably the one currently in Inverness Museum
Yes, the portrait of his younger brother Henry Benedict Stuart...it was mistaken for a portrait of his elder brother Charles. Henry was in fact the last male legitimate representative of Stuart royal line. He was a Cardinal in the Catholic Church and a Bishop of Ostia in Italy.
anyone know what font the culture show uses?
+mtksbctk ... fontmeme.com/freefonts/135097/the_culture_show.font
One clarification James Francis Edward Stuart was James VIII & III and James III is my. 12th Great Grandfather.
Let's share info on lineage.
Britain never had a monarch called James III
@Jim Hope Utter nonsense. The parliaments of England and Scotland made a fundamental constitutional change in 1689 and it was parliament which decided the line of succession. James Stewart had no legitimate claim to Britain's throne.
I wonder, would anyone know the piano tune starting at 1.20? It sounds eerily familiar, but I am unable to place it.
same, i just yelled at the tv. i know it but have NO idea what it is!
ENAUDI most probably. I noticed other piano pieces by him on this programme.
@@kcsunshine4008 No I am afraid I have to disappoint you all, and inform you that it was my composition entitled 'War Song' taken from my 'Moments of Time' album. Best wishes. Phamie Gow
@@aalexander6283 it was my 'War Song' from my piano solo cd Moments of Time. Phamie Gow
Yes! I know. It was my composition entitled 'War Song' taken from my piano solo album 'Moments of Time'. Happy you sort of recognised it. Best wishes. Phamie
There is an eye in the cloud at 3:31, right side of the sky.
There is!
Your right, quite spooky.
I would like to know why in this documentary they refer to the existence of 37 Vermeer’s paintings. As far as I know there are 36 including the lost one from The Isabella Gardner museum. Which is the title of that painting, that I have been missing?
Cupid on that painting looks well, as they say It is a new painting, unfortunately it was painted by somebody else.
Pardon my ignorance--I settled in at 13:32 in anticipation of hearing a lovely Scottish burr from the current Chief of Cameron...& couldn't detect a Scots accent at all. It may just be my Canadian ears not catching the nuances, but his accent sounded English. Can anyone explain why that is? Or is it naive of me to have expected to hear a more distinctive Scots accent from him? Thankyou!
Why did they have to show the host looking all cool and wild in biker jacket and helmet LOL?
At 11.12 + the narrator refers to "Bonnie Prince Charlie" landing in Scotland and "his father King James's manifesto being read out" to the assembled clans. BUT...Bonnie Prince Charlie's father, James Francis Edward Stuart"(the "Old Pretender") was never "King". He was the eldest legitimate son of the deposed King James II (of England). Bonnie Prince Charlie (the Young Pretender) was the grandson of King James II.
He was recognized has King by the other monarchies of Europe.
@@lucario2188 What has that to do with the reality ? I suppose you'd argue that Bonnie Prince Charlie was also "King" if the other monarchies of Europe said so.
@@Baskerville22 Well because of that he is often referred has King by some historians. Kinda like how the USA recognized Juan Guaido has President of Venezuela and he will probably be referred as president by some historians despite not ever having de facto power. Unlike James, Charles wasn't recognized by other monarchies when James died.
@@lucario2188 US Presidents are referred to as "President" even after their period in office has ended.
BTW -- You are using "has" when you need to use "as".
@@Baskerville22 Thanks, English isn't my first language.
That really is a fine portrait they put away just because it's not of the 'right' prince. Daft.
it is a pastel drawing . You can only expose it to light for short periods or the colors will fade
My family is related through Margaret Stuart Princess of Scotland 🏴 she is the daughter of Margaret De Dunbar of Garlies
LOCATIE DE APPARTAMENT Fiecare Oras Sau exterior Appartamentelle de Vanzare In Lumme Si Colocatie De vanzare sau Inchiriatt.In Oras sau la Tarr sau pamant de Vanzare pentru Casse sau etc De Cultivatt In Lumme.
It was my great grandfather's cousin.
No it wasn’t. It would be more like your 6th or 7th great grandfathers cousin
Stuarts got screwed.
Why does the Scottish lord Cameron have an English accent?
That is the English spoken in the whole British upper class.
A little correction on this documentary:
James the 2nd wasn’t deposed solely for being a Catholic. He was deposed because he treated “non catholics” as second class citizens, who had fewer rights under his law as head of the church.
In a country that was overwhelmingly Protestant, that wasn’t going to end well for Jamesy boy.
Maybe someone stole it out of revenge. To teach a lesson Whatever.
James Francis Edward Stuuart was NOT Catholic.
Patricia
Sixth Great Grand daughtet of James III
You must be getting up there in age, if that's the generational difference. I'm a 17th great-granddaughter of James II, a 16th great-granddaughter of his daughter Mary's (James III's sister, which would make you and myself sixth cousins 10 times removed, I believe). I sometimes see a 5 generation difference in relatives alive today (my great-great-grandmother was alive when I was born, making a total of 5 simultaneous generations alive in the 20th century), but a 10+ generation discrepancy in contemporary descendants of the same people? I'm quite surprised.
I do find it charming that everyone with a drop of Scottish blood is commenting about their descent from various Scottish clans, even kings. Because of the smallish population, especially in the noble class, we're all related the moment we find an ancestor significant enough to be entered into the genealogies of our ancestors.
Jacobite me
Mark me
2
Oops 13th Great Grandfather
Back when the BBC wasn't a woke trash fire.
Stewarts were as bad as the Hanoverians. Glad my family went to America at that time
Bloody annoying music and interminable pauses while it blasts away.
This is fake he was a Black man.
Free Alba. Leave UK Bonnie Scotland be THE intependent coúntry yoú used to be Once again.
?? Seriously. What a waste of time. He goes out of his way to say the painting is not of Charlie and completely refuses to say why! Exactly what proof does he have? That is what I want to see, considering the whole documentary is based on 'finding a painting' then he should focus on giving the details that led to the painting not being of Charlie instead of the endless dribble about the people and history of the time. The guy is just another blowhard that likes to hear the sound of his own voice.
there's 3 more parts....
Because it's the same sitter as on the portrait of Cardinal Henry Benedict Stuart by Mengs.