Drum Techniques: Don’t “Overplay” ft. Tim Newton | Worship Band Workshop
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- As drummers, we have the ability to “show off” very easily during a worship service or concert. The question is, should you? Watch this video and learn from Don Moen’s touring drummer, Tim Newton, as he shares professional tips on how to be a better drummer. Want to see more of these videos? Check out our Worship Band Workshop playlist here: bit.ly/1RzOI2Z. New videos posted every week! Subscribe today so you never miss a video: bit.ly/1In0KIP
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I’m proud of my nephew Tim. He backs up without overpowering the worship leader.
Can i get his email address
my names tim and whenever Don says his name im like "What, who said my name? what did i do?"
Super
if you look at the gospel drummers, they go crazy, cause they have full of passion and determination. You see if Jesus was next to you, wouldn't you want to play your best music?
Psalm 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. (KJV)
Yes in some aspects you are right, no need to show of in down verses or anything, but when the spirit is there, just play out of joy and passion because when you do that, the drums will be on point
ThePrimeStation Point well taken. There's nothing wrong about being crazy, but being in a church worship band, it's not about the individual, it's about Jesus being focused through the harmony of each individual instrument playing together. In concerts, fine, there's a time to highlight each instrumentalist to show off, but during a service, you get all types of personality and ages, so you got to find the perfect balance. Joyful but not irritatingly noisy.
Culture... culture makes the difference.
It's about God, not the music. At those times, the drummer should stop playing and worship in Spirit.
@@johnlove7026 its not culture, its attitude and mindset.
Gospel drummers that's solid isn't overplaying. Still sounds smooth. Its when drummer cutting in the way of the song. Drummers that play with cory henry etc they not overplaying. They play a bit more and its more active but they grooving with the song. Not just doing fills in random spots or just because they can. Everything has to be in sync no matter the style. If that fails good luck
there is always one song i catch myself trying to show off and that song is your love is beautiful!! my leader gives me a solo so i try to have fun with it and not show off so much!!!!
thaink you very much Tim Newton
Saw him at Waterfront! 😍😍 new crush ❤❤
just neat.. wonderful lessons.
nice ,you upload many drum simple beats thank you lord
As a veteran bassist, I can tell you this-Tim is a great drummer. Economical, tasteful, pocket for days. It’s all about playing the right part at the right time. Nothing special here, and yet, it’s almost non existent in drummers. Tim leaves room for the band.
Yes!
so true! very good!! :)
Awesome
I had to comment on this because what’s crazy is that actually DOES happen. In my case it wasn’t because I was overplaying it was because I needed some time off! I had been playing either drums, Bass, or guitar on either a Wednesday night one week or on Saturday nights and two services Sunday mornings 2 to 3 times in a month for 2 years straight. Keep in mind this was for worship at a church so it was all voluntary. It’s not a job, only person getting paid is the director or worship leader. I finally got burnt out and told them I was going to need some time off because I just couldn’t keep up with school and work and worship at all times. So I took a couple of months off. Well I finally felt ready to come back so I told the director that when they needed me he could schedule me.
His response was that I would have to volunteer doing small ministry for 6 months before I could be allowed back in the band lol. When he says smaller ministry he means greeting at the door or helping people park. He was trying to basically PUNISH me for needing time off. Keep in mind when I joined this was not required! They had me audition and that was it. Not all churches are going to be like this. This was in Alton IL and they are big on being digital and showing the services on TV and on their website online so they think that anybody who might get a small amount of time on camera has to be punished and controlled. Funny thing is the pastors son would constantly join the band , then he would quit, and then he would come back whenever he felt like it. So the “6 months “ comment he just made up there really triggered me. I’d like to know if other people have experienced anything like this!
Lay down your rights, believe God is in control, and pray for those that you feel wronged you. Be humble and patient. Sometimes the Lord allows us to go thru these trials to reveal what is really in our heart, things we didn’t even know. Thank the Lord for the trial, and believe He will see you thru
what an amazing message... great points
The lesson here is Don''t be a distraction. Like a piece of lego that you step on the floor. If you need to sound busy, it has to compliment the rest of the band. Thanks for the lesson Don Moen.
so true !!!!!
just like the making
Don you're right
I think the most important thing to remember is That overplaying is really just playing very distastefully. Notice how he was playing fills over the lyrics in the middle of the verse and not really establishing any groove or solid beat. The way to not overplay is too play for the song and come up with creative ways to fill.
Thank you so much Mr. Don Moen for posting this lesson 😊. I am a drummer in our church. I learned so much about this. Godbless 😊
Amen 🙏
so beautiful
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I think it SOMETIMES depends. Most Gospel drummers I’ve heard play A LOT. Some might say too much. But sometimes it seems appropriate. Same thing with bass, and in some cases other instruments. Pianists and organists generally play less it seems to me, depends on the song. But it’s all stylistic. In this instance, i agree that what the musicians are doing is perfect. But i think when you’re “overplaying” at the right moment of the song, it may work. Knowing how to “overplay” at the right time, in the right way, and making it line up with and perfectly compliment the song is another skill entirely.
Me and my dad run the sound at my church and they do this all the time and I have no clue how to go about telling them not to do you have an insight on that?
Just be honest.
I love 1.part beter
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your entire band is fantastic. my favorite electric guitarist.
+Sai Dinesh Tom is a great player and a fantastic person to be around. Hope to see you soon, Sai!
+DonMoen thanks don, we will meet soon.
Lol this was so funny.
So what happens if as a drummer you are been directed by the lead vocalist to overplay, happens to me most of the time and in many situations they go to the extent of telling you what to play. How do you approach such situations.
Talk to them and tell them you are the lead, they are the drummer. Either they respect your authority or get out. Make them choose.
Follow the lead with caution. Talk to them and tell them your rationale. Ask the other team members their opinions.
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Don, or whomever, what kind of stand is that holding the tambourine.
Hey Adam, the tambourine is mounted on a cymbal stand with the felts taken off. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!
They don't play for people, but to God. Don Moen is pointing out what God wants them or how He wants the to play. It always depends on the Holy Spirit.
Thank you... Ppl seems to be obsessed with "gospel chops" nowdays...that needs to end quickly
amen to that! Too turgid and frenetically busy in many cases. That constant tom rumbling literally gets on my nerves...😆Less is more! I listened to some older maranatha singers songs fro the 80's and 90's. OK it was the era of big hair and big synths😂 BUT the drums were generally far simpler, brighter and way more musical.
I didn't like that fill it was way too distracting, sit out for half a year and think about it! 😂😂😂
Jannier Amaya I had to comment on this because what’s crazy is that actually DOES happen. In my case it wasn’t because I was overplaying it was because I needed some time off! I had been playing either drums, Bass, or guitar on either a Wednesday night one week or on Saturday nights and two services Sunday mornings 2 to 3 times in a month for 2 years straight. Keep in mind this was for worship at a church so it was all voluntary. It’s not a job, only person getting paid is the director or worship leader. I finally got burnt out and told them I was going to need some time off because I just couldn’t keep up with school and work and worship at all times. So I took a couple of months off. Well I finally felt ready to come back so I told the director that when they needed me he could schedule me.
His response was that I would have to volunteer doing small ministry for 6 months before I could be allowed back in the band lol. When he says smaller ministry he means greeting at the door or helping people park. He was trying to basically PUNISH me for needing time off. Keep in mind when I joined this was not required! They had me audition and that was it. Not all churches are going to be like this. This was Enjoy Church in Alton IL and they are big on being digital and showing the services on TV and on their website online so they think that anybody who might get a small amount of time on camera has to be punished and controlled. Funny thing is the pastors son would constantly join the band , then he would quit, and then he would come back whenever he felt like it. So the “6 months “ comment he just made up there really triggered me. I’d like to know if other people have experienced anything like this!
@@justincredibal4 I'm sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately, it is all too common that people in positions of power in churches are more concerned with their "visible ministry" (that is, what happens on Sundays in front of the congregations and the cameras) instead of the "invisible ministry." One thing I've learned after fifteen years in church music, is that a great music minister / worship pastor's first priority isn't the music or the congregation, but pastoring, leading, and loving the people that work with and underneath them.
@@justincredibal4 wow sorry to hear that man. Don't look to man, God sees your heart. Don't get discouraged.
@@justincredibal4 I understand where you coming from. I lead a worship team in our small church here in Philippines. Though I agree at some point, but I want to say something with regards to your concern. In joining a music team, it doesnt matter how skillful you are, how great musician are you(though it requires a basic knowledge in music) , but the most important thing there is your personal relationship with the Lord. God doesnt want your talent in the first place, he wants your willing heart, your availability (I am not judging your relationship with the Lord. It's between you and God). I just pray that God enlightens your heart, brother. And will you see you again worshipping our great God. By the way, in our church we are also doing it voluntarily, for the Lord. God bless you, man.
How do you define overplaying? I've often heard quite conflicting and subjective opinions on this. For example, I have a jazz background and the first worship leader I played for wanted to hear more 'sophisticated' drumming while the current worship leader I play for likes a more basic rock approach. Who's right? Who's wrong? Is giving your best for God's glory ONLY include the times you are playing extremely simple? I think it largely depends on the style of music and worship director. I also played for an African American jazz mass for a while and they definitely did not want a simple approach. Now that is largely due to the music having a Funk and R&B sound. My personal opinion is much of Contemporary Christian music sounds largely the same with very little creativity. I don't see why we can't be creative while still being worshipful and doing it for God's glory. Just my 2 cents. God Bless.
I'll tell you who's never right. The drummer.
LOL. Man, ain't that the truth. That's one of the funniest things I've heard.
You answered your own question it sounds like. It all depends on the style of music you are playing. Contemporary Rock Worship music is based around a big, impactful, often atmospheric quality. This calls for longer and more standard chord progressions complimented by rhythms that are big and open and simple. When you fill up the drums with more fills and complex rhythms but the rest of the band is playing the simpler set of contemporary worship the entire song will sound smaller and the drums will distract from the worship as a result. On the flipside if you are playing as you said African American Jazz or funk music the entire style is dependent on each instrumentalist filling up their instruments with parts, fills, riffs and licks etc. Because the entire band is playing that style, the music sounds complimentary and theres no clashing parts which distract from the worship.
While I do agree with your description of Contemporary Rock Worship music, I still find the the general mentality is if the music isn't dumbed down enough then it isn't worshipful. I run into this a lot. The example in this video is hilariously extreme. No professional drummer would do this. But there are more realistic examples where the opinion on whether it's too much or not would entirely depend on who you ask. That's why I brought the example of the two worship leaders I've played under. One didn't want me to copy the song. He wanted me to add a more fresh and creative approach while the other wants me to just copy the basic parts as is or just keep it simple. Which worship leader is correct? Which approach is more worshipful? Depends on who you ask right? Our congregation really enjoyed a lot of the interesting things we did under the first worship leader. Now some of the songs were covers and many were originals. Of course with originals you have more leeway to be creative depending on what the worship leader wants. Very similar to doing session work with a producer. Outside of the blatantly obvious such as this video, my view is it's really very subjective. Music is constantly changing. I find much of Christian music to be very simplistic and sound the same. Have you ever listened to any from the 80s...lol. Yikes! So it's come a long ways even since then and I hope it continues to grow in the creativity department. I very much in my own playing try to push that envelope as well. Thanks for your thoughts. God Bless.
I definitely get what you're saying and I've kinda had the same questions and dare I say, irritations in my time playing worship music. To answer the "which is right?" question, personally I'd have to say neither is right and neither is wrong.
It's just a matter of context and what's needed. Ultimately, it's a matter of serving so it needs to be taken into consideration the culture of the congregation you're playing in front of. Gospel chops and more funk oriented stuff would probably be very appropriate in a predominately Black church but those same chops may become distracting and out of whack at some predominately white churches if what they're used to is CCM.
I do agree that most CCM is VERY simplistic but I also gotta recognize that's what that music requires. Some guys like Gungor are kinda adding some neat jazz ideas to contemporary foundations and getting some killer sounds!
There is an overplaying that sounds good and overplaying that sounds aweful. Basically it depends on what the worship leader or the song demands.
In general, overplaying means, to do too much, to do it to early, to have no way to increase a chorus or so. There are so many pop songs that would become boring, when the drummer would do the chorus in verse and would play in chorus very crazy.
Additional the music we discuss here, is accompaniment for vocals and sing along. And most important, it's about God to show, how great HE is. Both defines, when something is overplaying, that wouldn't count as overplaying in secular instrumental music.
my husband plays drums and being Pentecost when the spirit moves on you, you have no control of what is going on!! so fact busted for only if as we call them programmed church!! never hold back from the spirit!
Shanna Oneal
No control oh dear
I have to disagree with you, music is also a ministry on the church, they have their own job to guide and enhance the congregation for the the worship, and Jesus won't allow that His service will be out of control, since He always want that everything has an order, and as a musician you have to focus also on your job while worshiping Him at the same time, that's why being a musician needs qualification in every churches.
You have a narrow concept of the spirit. I experienced, that sometimes the spirit began to lead the service and it was great to see, that the pastor was willing to drop the sermon, the worship team was willing to do more music.
It's also ok, when they begin to dance, because the congregation does it too, King David did it too, nothing bad about.
Nope. The Holy Spirit does not possess and control. And "The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet." So it is not true that he cannot control himself. Self-control is a part of the fruit of the Spirit.
That's not how the Holy Spirit works. It doesn't possess people.
I'd rather have a drummer who underplay where there's a room to expand than an overplaying drummer who doesn't tone it down.
It’s pretty simple to me, as a church drummer the only time I break away from what the band is doing and what “fits” is when the Holy Spirit leads me to but the band goes with me or gives me that freedom, otherwise stay locked in the pocket.
If you’re a good musician, you know when to go forward and pull back. Plus, this type of worship would be considered completely boring in some churches and other churches, this type of worship is considered as being absolutely beautiful.
p.s
All the musicians seem scared of Don. Lol. “Serve your Pastor (a.k.a serve Don).”
my names tim..........-_-
This has nothing to do with overplaying. There is no such thing as 'overplaying'. You are either a good musician and know what the song calls for OR music is not for you because you don't understand it. So it comes down to...You're a good musician or a bad musician. PERIOD!
Of course there is such a thing as overplaying. If you're a "bad" musician, realizing you're overplaying is one step in the right direction of becoming a better musician. It's like you say, it's about understanding the music so that you know what is right for the song. But you make it seem like if you're a "bad" musician there is no hope for improvement and you should stay away from music. We were all bad musicians once.
There is a thing like overplaying. It's a trap we all can tap in, because we are all tempted by the world's values and one of them is "as musician you have to please the audience and get your value from these people".
Am I in the worship team in order to prove something? Or because I will invest my talent and do my part in building the church? Will I get applause or will I get a perfect date with Jesus?
Steven Duke you mean to say you know more than Don Moen who is probably old enough to father you and he is advising you in his own niche. I doubt you're an instrumentalist. Cos no instrumentalist will say there's nothing like overplaying
Skill issue
Wow, church drums are so boring lol.
Bioactive Virus It's not avout performance, we worship for Jesus and not for the people
anyway it's not about the drums.
"Wow, church drums are so boring lol." - Well, you like Metal music, with its specific style, its specifics topics, where all musicians overplays much.
So I can understand, why church drums are boring to you. I guess, you dislike Soft Rock, Folk Rock, Country Rock, Pop in general, isn't it? And you can't agree with the message of this songs, isn't it?
But I prefer this "boring" music. Metal appears to me too aggressive, too violent, too depressing, too loud, sometimes promoting satanism, dark without any happiness, no melodies. And in my opinion it's boring.
You have to be disciplined. They’re not all boring tho but there are a lot of songs were you really have to hold back
Woah woah
Don't say church drums are boring
White church drums are boring
Watch a black gospel drummer and you will change your mind
Annoying. Still trying to figure out how this stupid crap ended up in my feed. Overplaying. Hmm. I've never seen a person with a piano and mic do this. Never. All about perspective. Isn't it? Thanks for this video of your opinion. This is why I don't like bands. There's always the one person, who's all like, don't you dare hog my spotlight.
Matthew Fant
Merry Christmas
Did you ever figure out how it ended up in your feed? Also did you figure out who forced you to watch it? I agree with you, so annoying when that happens..
"I've never seen a person with a piano and mic do this."
When I started to play piano in our bible study group, I couldn't overplay, because I hadn't so much skills. The people liked it, how I played and told me, it's easier to sing along, than with the player before me.
Play boring....there....I summed up this whole workshop...play with some common sense....there....I added that one for free.....
you want someone to notice you ?? there .,..xD
Overplay. Watch how many bands you get kicked out of. Its about the band as one. Not about you...
Christian-About-to-Utter-Blasphemy-Alert. Worship drums are nice but, ninety-five percent of the time worship drums FAIL to inspire me to become awesome at the drums. Which is why whenever I want to fire myself to get good, really good, I listen to ssssssecular music instead.
And while I do understand the value of restraint and playing with taste, sometimes, less is truly less instead of more. The problem with most Christian musicians is they over-correct the problem. They become so terrified of drawing attention to themselves, they underplay to the point where they get boring because, "After all, this is for the Lord, we love You, Lord!"
And, what makes it even worse is quite a few of those same musicians will totally cut loose and bring down the house when playing non-Christian music.
"Whooo, yeahhhh! Now the party really begins, let's BURN this popsicle stand!!"
It's disgraceful.
So yeah, worship music. Really nice but, underwhelming. Drummers, unfortunately included.