Rating (aka Roasting) Historical Movie Corsets
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2020
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I can’t fully enjoy period dramas anymore because of Karolina and Bernadette.
I still fully enjoy them...I also sit there watching them smugly thinking “I could have done that better...”
Karen Ramnath haha I’ll try adopting your way of thinking.
My husband can't watch period drama in peace because of the costubing community. Not that he watches their videos, but I do. And I can't stop blabbing about how bad those "corsets" are 🤣
Good😆I hope movie makers will change their attitude towards costumes in historical dramas/movies in the future!
I watch period drama's with the thought in the back of my head that it's history bounding rather than recreation.
No one:
Women in movies wearing corsets: THIS CORSET KILLED MY ENTIRE FAMILY AND BURNED MY HOUSE DOWN
And threw me under a bridge
Girl gave all of y'alls carcasses to dogs to eat.
Tbh id say the same if i were forced to wear one without a chemise because the director wanted it sexier
And then there was Alias Grace. 😂
Sol paula I see what you did there :)
Karolina: roasts the hell out of corsets in movies
Also Karolina: rates them generously high
Perfectly balanced. As all things should be
I would have dropped points for the Phantom of the Opera one for being attached to that movie.
@@andysmith5806 Now now, she said she wasn't rating them based on movie context. Gerard Butler's singing is irrelevant.
@@cam4636 Fair. 😂
Videos from the future: This bra is clearly not from the 2030s era, notice the neon bows, this was far more indicative of the early 2000s
Actresses being interview for a period drama in 3010: the wire, was like, basically it poked me, cut into my skin, basically cut my boobs off and it was agony in the car.
Interviewer: OMG they made you sit in a CAR in a bra?!
@@hannahj6398
Actress: Yes it was horrible! And the straps dug into my back and shoulders. To top it all of I had to dance in it.
*actress starts to cry *
I-I'm s-s-so sorry it's just I can still feel the pain sometimes!
Interviewer: So to our audience remember bras are horrible things!
Yall made me crack 😂😂
HAHAHAHAHA LMAO
@@jellypebble8214 *me explaining to my friend why I don't wanna wear one*
One time, when I was getting dressed into a modern underbust, my sister was helping me with the lacing, never before having worn a corset herself.
She was probably influenced by these weird corset-tightening scenes like Gone With the Wind, because she just grabbed the strings, placed her fucking KNEE on my lower back and pulled as hard as she could.
It hurt really bad and almost made me lose breath in that moment.
So not only are scenes like this historically misinformative, they are borderline dangerous.
We did that at my wedding and broke my corset!
Oh god I _felt_ that
Omg are you ok
I’m a straight boy and never wore a corset but I FELT that knee
Did you explain what she did to her?
Even modern movies are super unrealistic when it comes to lingerie - every lady is always wearing a BRAND NEW lace bra with matching underwear. I have ONE set of matching bra & panties and they are never clean at the same time.
Just once, I want to see a dingy beige bra and non-matching underwear. Maybe even a discharge or period stain on the underwear, if we're getting super realistic.
bridgetthewench Ok but that’s a bit gross. Like, we really don’t needa see bodily fluids. I agree the underwear should just be basic tho and not perfect.
@@faraway-2009 I'm not saying show actual fluids, but a lot of underwear ends up being permanently stained. It's just what happens.
@Olive I've seen plenty of movies where the actors are wearing a grungy white t-shirt with dirt on their face, it's not always pristine everything 🤷♀️
bridgetthewench “but guys are dirty and gritty and chicks are clean and fragile” is basically the assumption.
At least in pirates of the Caribbean its implied that they don't actually know how to do it properly and seem to think it needs to be as tight as possible since its a new fashion her father brought home. Its also implied that the heat was part of the problem since it was quite a heavy gown and they're in a tropical climate, so not just corset misconceptions.
Also, Elizabeth (?) mentions a line, "People in London must have learned not to breathe," or something similar after her father says it's all the rage or a new trend, implying it's also her first time wearing a proper corset, meaning her maids ALSO have probably never seen/handled one. So she's got the heat and humidity, the fact she's never worn a proper corset and isn't accustomed to it, maids who don't know how to properly put one in her, and then them tight lacing her into it, all compounded together. This is one of the rare instances where it would make sense that she fainted, as everything comes together to completely cut off her air supply by the time she makes it to her location. I'm also going to assume the corset was NOT tailor made to fit her as it should have been, since her father surprises her with it and the gown, and instead he's purchased it based on general measurements of women of a similar size and build. An ill-fitting corset added to the rest of the mix was just a recipe for disaster.
@@kattriella1331 Right, plus the anachronism even kind of makes sense because it's a brand new fashion from London and her dresses would probably have had out-dated designs given it's out in the Caribbean colonies.
@@devonlawton1149 I would also assume (based on zero knowledge of the area at the time on my part) that things were probably a little less advanced in the colonies than back in England since there would have been a considerable delay in relaying new technology and information back and forth, meaning she's probably used to wearing clothes that are easier to move around in since she probably isn't taking carriages EVERYWHERE due to the probable lack of roads and overabundance of sand and dirt. Also, she takes so easily to life NOT in her rather luxurious home that it makes one wonder if maybe she doesn't spend ALL her days dressed up in the fancier clothes she already owns and maybe spends a good deal of time in much less restrictive or plainer but still appropriate for a lady of status clothes. Like I said, there's a lot of sand and mud around her home, I can't imagine even her doting father replacing every single fancy dress or gown she owns every other week because it got ruined just from walking outside after a storm. She probably has at least a few things that are plainer and probably easier to move in just for being in or around the privacy of her home. If she's used to less restrictive clothing in general and you add that into the already disastrous mix, she was going to end up in trouble sooner or later.
But stays and corsets werent new in 1770s they have been around since the 16th century.
@@mcrosemasters3060 Yes, but I don't know if they were common in Caribbean colonies. Either way, I was just going by the narrative the movie gave us.
There is utterly no reason an actress would need to wear an uncomfortably tight corset to make her waist look tiny. You start with the size of a corseted waist - say 2cm reduction, and PAD OUT the hips and bust. That is period accurate. And no abuse to the human wearing it.
Indeed. Period accuracy doesn't normally mean tight-lacing.
With the exception of Scarlett, who was one of the vain girls who improperly tight-laced (it did happen at the time, but was frowned upon, not something for proper girls). But it's not done pulling back but to the sides...
Or cgi
I mean yes, but also no. A 2 cm (0.8 inch) reduction is absolutely nothing. For most people it is incredibly easy to get a 5 to 7 cm (2-3 inch) reduction at the very least, many even 10 cm (4 inch), before it even starts to feel uncomfortable. That is for someone not used to wearing a corset, but assuming that the corset is tailored to their measurements accurately.
Don't forget that a corset also adds to your circumference, and reduction should be measured from the inside of the corset. If a corset reduces your waist by 2 cm, but the actual bulk of the corset increases your circumference by 3 cm, that's a net loss. So anyone interested in creating a nice figure would probably at least go for a 5 cm reduction, and then start padding.The rest of your comment I agree with.
Well, nowadays costuming is kinda post-period accuracy. So, we just hafta go with that. Plus, they need to maintain what would be an attractive figure for the actresses, the mono-bosom was pretty weird looking (although, exaggerated in illustrations). But I agree with the idea of fit, I personally worship at the altar of proper fit. Try "Moulin Rouge", obviously not meant to be accurate, but central to much of the film. My personal favorite costume job is a film called "The Quick and the Dead", not about accuracy, just quirky, subtle and well thought out, very subliminal.
I would give a pass to Jane Eyre´s "new" corset, because she was given new clothes before her wedding to Mr Rochester. Surely the corset was one of her new wardrobe pieces
Was gonna comment the same thing. Surely she got a new corset for her wedding, I mean, it'd be on display later... She wouldn't want to greet her new husband in an old, rusty corset on her wedding night.
@@chantalperez7815 well that was one useless purchase then
I was going to comment something similar.
@@Line... it got returned to him in all cases! He should've given it to Bertha... like she already got the veil so why not the wedding dress too!
This
Movies usually depict corsets worn directly over the skin.
Lets leave kinky bastards alone with their kinkyness
And people wonder why do actresses complain about them
I was already impressed by the amount of movies shown here that had shifts etc under the corsets or stays..
In the 1980s that is how we wore our "corsets"/bustiers. 😁
a Sin
In defense of the tight lacing scene from Gone With The Wind.... The book referenced Scarlett's vanity... and how she DEMANDED being as tight laced as possible... even as Mammy chided her for it... Acknowledging that it was NOT how corsets were to be worn... even shaming Scarlett for not wearing a corset as designed like her sisters did (NOT tight laced). I LOVE this channel but this is %100 accurate to the literary Scarlett and again it's acknowledged in the book that this tight lacing was NOT proper or normal. Just an FYI.
Yeah I was gonna comment something like that. I remember in the book Scarlett was proud of having the smallest waist in the county, at like 17 inches or something tiny like that.
Wait wait wait, in the english (and original) version she was named Scarlett?? I love that movie but i absolutely didn't know, in my country her name was adapted to Rossella
That honestly surprised me lol
@@maira7804In English Scarlett is the name of a deep shade of red. Perhaps Rosella is a direct translation of the color in your language?
@@leviblevins513 yes, indeed, Rossella (Rosso + ella) means red in a feminine declination
Maira, fyi, in English, the “h” is silent in the word honestly (honest).
I see some coments saying actresses complain too much about wearing corsets, and that victorian women didn't suffer like that, but we have to keep in mind that their are not wearing accurate corsets and they are being very tight laced, some times without a layer of cloting before the corset
They are not getting an accurate experience
Of couse being sinched into a 23 inch waist without a camisole underneath for hours while filming hurts
Is not their fault directors and stylists care more about the aesthetic they want to more than being accurate and making the actresses comfortable
Yeah I feel bad for them, it must be painful. I wish people would put more research into things like that first :(
thank you.
Anyone else REALLY want to see Meme Mom and Bernadette make an actually historically accurate movie?
I volunteer as tribute... I mean actress
Or at the very least be the costume designers/fashion consultants
With Cathy Hay too!
Yes yes, and Cathy Hay!!!
This, but a full movie. Just all of the gorgeous costumes and cinematography. czcams.com/video/E94L4EggTnc/video.html
Since Vivien Leigh's character is so vain, she has a corset tight laced even though at the time it was uncommon for women because the clothing already gave the appearance of a small waist. It's stated in the book. It's more about Scarlett's character. Just like how Vivien's character wore an evening dress to that barbecue when Hattie's character clearly protested knowing that it was inappropriate and how it immediately caught Rhett Butler's attention because of it.
Also, they slept wearing corsets, cause it was in the book
Also, Scarlett specifically wanted to get into a dress that was too small for her. In the book it's mentioned that every other dress from her wardrobe was at least one inch wider in the waist
-she probably thinks this vid is about her.
She’s so vaiiiin. 🎶
...hello?
I was about to comment something similar, so thank you! I love her character arc and how much of a slytherin she is. ^^
I was about to comment exactly that about her character! I personally loved finding out that tidbit, and it made some scenes (like the tightlacing) make much more sense.
The corsets on the 1-10 corset scale look like ducks when turned yellow
yeah I’ve noticed hahahah
I love it!
@@Beacuzz same!
quack
Shit lol, I just commented the same thing:
"I kept wondering why she was rating corsets on a scale of ducks.. 🐤🐤🐤🐤🐤"
I think the reason Jane Eyre's corset is so new is that Rochester probably bought her a new one for her wedding.
I was about to say the exact same thing.
I suspect he bought it for her, (for himself). The same as Alec Baldwin’s BF character buys Melanie (Working Girl) Griffith birthday lingerie. It’s a gift from him and for him, ultimately (intimately). We know what you boys are doing.
@@themermaidstale5008 Corsets weren't really "intimate gifts" in the 19th century in the way that modern men might give their girlfriends underwear. Rochester paid for Jane's "trousseau," and undergarments were no doubt included, but the one thing he wanted to give Jane that she felt was vulgar and inappropriate was expensive jewelery to show her off:
'"I will myself put the diamond chain round your neck, and the circlet on your forehead...and I will clasp the bracelets on these fine wrists, and load these fairy-like fingers with rings.”
“No, no, sir! think of other subjects, and speak of other things, and in another strain...You are dreaming, sir,-or you are sneering. For God’s sake don’t be ironical!”
'
...Glad was I to get him out of the silk warehouse, and then out of a jewellers shop: the more he bought me, the more my cheek burned with a sense of annoyance and degradation.'
This is probably correct. In the 19th century, women who were not too poor would buy a "trousseau" or new wardrobe of clothing suited to a married woman. This would include undergarments. Rochester pays for Jane's trousseau, and takes her to the nearest town, Milcote, to buy silk for dresses. Undergarments are not mentioned, but would no doubt have been made up for Jane to go with the newer, grander dresses Rochester wanted her to wear.
@@themermaidstale5008 I totally get you and agree
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If you ever think to yourself "should I make another corset video?" the answer is yes. It doesn't matter what we, the viewers think we want. We are idiots, and really just want more corset videos.
I think an understressed factor in this is that the Hollywood “type” is so thin that you would need a lot more padding to make the shape correct, and because the idea of cinching the waist is what most people remember about corsets, a lot of designers forget the actual bodies that they’re working with.
Corsets usually create much more of an effect on woman who have a lot of softer fat that can be shaped by the corset, using muscular and thinner actors and tight lacing the fuck out of them is almost evil.
1:44 Gone With the Wind
4:17 Amadeus
5:07 Titanic
5:44 Jane Eyre
6:36 Pirates of the Caribbean
7:31 Anna Karenina
8:34 Phantom of the Opera
9:20 Marie Antoinette
10:00 Dangerous Liaisons
10:24 Young Victoria
11:11 Meet Me in St. Louis
12:32 The Prestige
14:11 The Piano
15:52 Picnic at Hanging Rock
Thank you!
That one dislike from a guy who thought he's gonna see nudes but instead saw a cat
Walnut ooops, answered the wrong comment. Silly me!
Gacha Mary Tudor gets a job Ha! 🤣🤣
I didn't dislike it! Pervert
@@timothyfloogle ok :-|
@@DustinTheHuman that was a joke*
The Phantom of the Opera corsets look like what I would've bought on Ebay in college in the mid-late 2000s to wear to a local production of the Rocky Horror Picture Show
@peacelovechocolate So specific yet we've all experienced it
@@cristinagalaxyfun sure does!
why does this apply to my experience so well??
and Dr. Frank n furter wore it better than Christine did. with a LOT more style and verve.
@@GoddessNeith Facts.
what about Brave? there was a scene where merida's mom was lacing her corset when corsets didn't exist yet
👏👏👏
Not to mention the fact that she, as an unmarried young lady, was wearing a wimple while her MOTHER, a definitely married mother of three children, had her hair long and loose and out for God and everybody to see!
'We've gotta drive home that Merida isn't a typical feminine girl though!' -_-
This is the corset version of me watching movies where people are “playing” a cello or violin.
And, as an ARMA student, swordfights!
Me when I see people in movies singing with terrible form and posture, but somehow have perfect vocals. Like, I get your vocals were recorded pre-production, but why are you hunched over on the ground?
Yeah , those sacrilegious musicians on movies
Or a piano or guitar. Drives me crazy .
me with movies having ppl do sciencey stuffs or medical stufs
Can we talk about something... You SHOULD NOT BE WEARING CORSET ON BARE SKIN ! THATS A HUGE NO NO
Something I just love (sarcastic) when they make them wear it on bare skin and they take it off they zoom in on the indentations like omg look at this woman she's suffering, what a torture device, the horror. I think it's the alienist that did that one, I was pumped for the costumes but then the police lady got undressed and they pulled that. Not to mention the random background prostitutes wearing bare skin corsets like it's just lingerie, I doubt a poor woman would put a garment like that through such wear and tear.
think of the corsets in modern lingerie... they are meant to work like that
Right?? I don't even wear sneakers without socks because I hate the marks they leave on top of my feet, let alone a piece of garment that covers a huge portion of your skin. Speaking of modern lingerie - aren't those corsets less structured than they used to be in victorian times?
When movies do that, it's like they're trying to turn underwear into a bondage thing for cheap arousal.
Lona Wu they are! Real modern corsets that have boning, you wouldn’t want to wear by themselves on bare skin. Way too uncomfortable even if it’s fitted properly.
It's so weird how even movies from the 30s and 40s get the corsets wrong.Like, can't you ask your grandma?
it's because they weren't after historical accuracy. The movies from the Golden Age almost always reflected contemporary fashions and in the 30/40s it was especially big because a lot of people used the movies as an escape. Think of what was happening at the time and you'll understand why people would be more interested in fancy, floofy, attractive to the contemporary eye costumes rather than historical accuracy.
AdoraBell as a marketing major I agree with this
Sometimes, even older people from that time would get corsets wrong. This isn't about movies but it's still a similar situation. In the little house books, written in the 1930's and 40's, Laura would often describe how tightly they did there corsets and how uncomfortable they were and said people would often wear them day and night even though she based it of of her own childhood in the Victorian era. So I guess books and movies from that time only wanted to talk about the modern day interpretation of corsets because it would appeal to a modern audience better or something.
Ella B idk, I think that’s assuming that everyone’s corset was very comfortable and fit them well. Just like bras nowadays, I think it depends how your body is shaped.
All the women in the Little House books did a lot of physical work around homestead or whatever, and I have no doubt that they were ripped af. It would probably have been a bit more uncomfortable for them to be wearing corsets around the farm (or whatever) than it would be for very thin youtubers sitting in front of a camera (or even bouldering xD)
@@J_Kwan It really depends on the corset. But also, pioneer women were known for being more "Relaxed" with their clothing. If you look at photos of them not in their Sunday best, they are often wearing looser clothing, likely with corded corsets underneath (assets need to be held up somehow). And if they had any money they probably had a "Sunday Best" corset to wear to church. And LIW was VERY anti-corset. She was a tomboy and hated them and her views 100% coloured how she wrote about them. We know that there were many different types of corset, and that a lot of them (especially the budget models) were lightly boned and sometimes only had a stiff busk and lacing panels with the rest of the stiffening being done with cloth or paper cording.
My biggest pet peeve regarding stays/corsets now is the lack of a shift. If even a casual historical enthusiast/non-expert like me knows that you need a lining to protect both the skin and the garment from sweat, dirty and wear, I expect more from anyone researching period costumes (though I realize they probably get over-ruled by the film makers a lot). Almost every video and historical thing I've seen and read about stays and corsets talks about this under-layer.
> Phantom of the Opera
The costuming in that movie honestly makes me so mad, especially if you compare them to the downright gorgeous stage versions. The worst offender, imo, is the gown movie!Christine wears for Think of Me. Not only does it have NOTHING to do with the actual opera being performed, BUT it's essentially an Empress Sisi cosplay.
exactly! it’s nothing like the musical costumes and that really bothers me. christine’s star princess dress>whatever she wore in the movie masquerade
The movie is also 9 years before the book takes place (French serial published in 1909 and is said to take place 30 years prior) and 11 years before the stage ALW musical takes place.
That opera house (the Palais Garnier) didn't even open until 1875.
Then Webber's fan fiction sequel harps on this 10 year gap... but it takes place in the first half of the 1900s (as opposed to 1910s). So...
i made my first corset when i was 16 and when i asked my mother to help me with the laces, SHE TRIED TO TIGHTLACE ME BY SHOVING ME FORWARD AND THEN YANKING BACK ON THE LACES AND WHEN I ACTUALLY COLLAPSED WITH PAIN AND STARTED FRANTICALLY TRYING TO RELIEVE THE PRESSURE ON MY RIBS BECAUSE THE LACES WOULDN'T LOOSEN EVEN UNTIED AND SHOUTED FOR HER TO HELP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, she stood by crossing her arms and shaking her head and said i was so dramatic and i shouldn't ask for help with such a bad attitude. BECAUSE EVEN SCARLETT DIDN'T PUT UP SUCH A FUSS
i hate gone with the wind. i had never seen it AND I WILL NEVER WATCH IT.
corsets don't mean tightlacing, folks.
Your mother sounds like an absolute peach.
@@kattriella1331 Ah yes.... clothes must be working if they cause agony and completely restricted your breathing functions. I have seen it in the movies, so it must be true!
I would’ve told her to come closer so I could do it to her then.
It was stressful just reading this comment ;o;
You must be 18 or 20.
I loved Amadeus so much as a kid, and now that corset just makes me sad.
(And I think 4/10 for Scarlett's corsets in The Prestige was very generous of you. Her outfits gave off cheap Halloween costume vibes.)
Lucy's Corsetry I agree with you. I also love Amadeus SO Much as a kid that I studied music in college.
I'm sure that Amadeus corset has cups because of movie sensors and for the actresses modesty
That movie is thrash historically talking. They made a lot of things that were not accurate at all.
@@faeriesmak I’m sorry you had to learn what a disaster Amadeus was in historical accuracy both in costumes and musical practices
@@user-lh6yb3tq6t It's not. Check out Nostalgia Critic "Amadeus" review, he debunks all of the "iT's NoT hIsToRiCaLlY aCcUrAtE" arguments about this movie.
You often talk about tight lacing and corset lacing scenes. I wear a corset for the Rennaisance Festival in my area. (It's on the outside, of course... ugh, but it's for that festival) However, I had one made to my own measurements, so when it is fully laced it doesn't squeeze or put pressure on me and the edges are straight, and I just lace myself. HOWEVER -- I DO see other ladies having people doing the "movie tightlacing" (having friends lace them by just pulling on the ties while they brace themselves, it is so irritating)
Can you show how you ACTUALLY do lace and how a maid would do it and what WOULD be accurate if a movie did a maid tight-lacing scene?
Some thoughts I had watching this
- Jane's corset is probably new because it was part of her wedding trousseu. I'm not sure but I think it was pretty common to get a whole new wardrobe when you got married, which in the book at least we know Jane did.
- I sometimes watch just the opening dressing sequence of Dangerous Liasons
- Queen Victoria hated fuss and preferred minimalist clothing styles (hence the slim cuts and simple styles of the 1840's) so it makes sense that such a utility piece of clothing wouldn't be decorated.
I want a source for your last point, please.
Me watching Brave: Oh hey, this isn’t so bad...they’re wearing generally the right silhouette and Queen Elenor’s hair isn’t that bad-
Queen Elenor: Tight-laces her daughter into a split busk corset in the 1200s.
Me: Never mind, then...
THAT ABSOLUTELY P*SSED ME THE F*CK OFF!
I don't' remember they're being a corset, just a restrainingly tight dress. Which was probably still wildly inaccurate, things back in the wayback weren't fitted that closely.
Eleanor 100% puts her into a corset. Check merida corset gif. It comes up.
1200's? I thought Brave was like 1800's like Rapunzel
Jocelyne cupcake no no it is not which probably shows how bad that is
To make up for every corset tightening scene we need a modern movie with a female character either putting on a bra or struggling to tighten the straps with it already on
Don’t forget - adjusting a safety pin. You know what I’m writing about.
This! I literally can’t put on a bra correctly, I have to put it on like a shirt, and bras suck. They don’t fit right, they don’t support my girls, and they hurt depending on the brand. I would much rather have one or two corsets made to fit me than a hundred bras
Arna Mitra see I would, but I want the girls to have some sort of help
@@DD-gl3gx I really recommend getting a proper bra fitting by a small non-chain underwear shop. I had multiple bra fittings in large chain bra shops which ended with me just wearing wire free bras for three years because I found underwire bras so uncomfortable. Eventually the lack of support and the need for straps to be tight enough to give me support on underwire free bras just became too uncomfortable so I tried again. I went to a small, independently owned bra shop on the street where I work. After years of being told I was a 10C (Australian bra size) by chain shop bra fitters, turned out I am actually a 10D - 10DD depending on the fit. I find the bras I wear now, that actually fit, to be ridiculously comfortable. Taking off my bra is no longer the first thing I do when I get home. The thing was, my boobs look like they fit a 10C. All the tests I used to do, jumping up and down, testing for gaping, extra space or bulging, all those tests made me think that 10C was my size and that underwire bras were uncomfortable. What was actually happening was that the smaller bra sizes were pushing my breast tissue to the side so it was under my armpit, causing chafing, pain and general discomfort.
I clip mine in front and then switch the cups to the front
Fashion historian’s worst nightmare: The corset scene in the alienist
WHERE IS THE CHEMISE!
Yes! That!
I said this out loud to my mom in that scene lol “shed never wear it without a chemise!!”
Also there's never a corset cover
Once, when I took part in a discussion about corsets, and that they're usually shown /represented wrong in movies, that they were mainly undergarments made for support, someone honestly commented: "Of course they were dangerous, and women couldn't breathe! Why do you think Johnny Depp cut open the corset in "Pirates of the Caribbean" ??" I couldn't believe she quoted a movie to confirm "real life" (or what she thought was "real life")! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
We stan a lady who single handily changed my perception of corsets
My kids have been watching Corpse Bride a lot lately & the scene where Mrs Evergot says "Get those corsets laced properly; I can hear you speak without gasping." drives me crazy! Pretty sure my eye twitches every time I hear it.
I hate it too, but I keep telling myself it's because they are desperately trying to cling to their royal status and they are getting ready to meet the other, wealthier family, therefore Victoria needs to look like the peak of their standard of beauty 😅
What bothers me is that they are lacing it at the top INSTEAD OF AT THE ACTUAL WAIST.
I think that line is more to emphasize the gothic-but-silly Tim Burton vibes than anything else.
Yeah, that's meant as a humour touch. Tim Burton typically mixes dark and humour, I wouldn't take it to the heart. Any part of the movie.
Kirra Bullinger but corsets lace all the way up and down, so they were just tightening it up at the top at that moment.
What about the corset scene in "The Alienist"? Those "marks" on skin wouldn't be there if she used a chemise!
Yes! I wanted to scream at that scene
Exactly, she was complaining about how men made women wear corsets because they're delicate and how "painful" they are, an I was like girl if you've worn it properly with a chemise on you wouldn't be wasting your breath on ranting and have bruises on your body. She was torturing herself by being stupid 😒
@@EXO-L45 well it wasn't really her fault, 1) she didn't know any better and 2) it was more on the costumers and directors
The newest Alice in wonderland had a scene where her mom was scolding her for not wearing a corset or the proper stockings, but it didn't actually show her undergarments, so 🤷♀️
I think her mom said Alice didn’t put the corset on.
@@Kirkpepm That's what I said.
I'm no longer allowed to make comments on the fashion of historical movies around my family because I don't stop roasting them.
i mean, same. but will i still do it? yes.
I'm right here with you, friends. Right here.
And my husband stands with your families.
girll same!! my parents are watching this show about vikings and there was a woman wearing pants and her hair was down and i literally stood up and was like "women didnt start wearing pants until the 19th century" and now i leave the room every time they watch it because it makes me so mad. and then they were watching this show about the salem witch trials and there was a girl with an ariana grande ponytail??? idk maybe badly costumed historical shows are like, their thing?
awkward taco825 the hair down is the big thing for me. Why is that proper society woman out in public with her hair down and no hat or bonnet? WHY??
@@awkwardtaco8259 Its sad that I know exactly which two shows you're talking about. They're both in my grave of Unfinished Period shows. Between the utter travesty that is Reign and the gross and inaccurate extravagance of foreign period soaps ( Muhteşem Yüzyıl, The Empress of China, Princess Weiyoung, Ekaterina IM LOOKING AT YALL).
I love how Karolina said this is a roast but didn’t give anything lower than a 4/10. Meme mom is just too nice 😆
The 1944 movie "Meet me in St. Louis" being set in the Edwardian era is like a modern movie today being set in the 80's and it's kind of blowing my mind a little bit. Fashion and other things changed so quickly in such a short amount of time
i remember bernadette banner or maybe even you haha saying, that the reason tightlacing is so highly depicted in the 19th century, is because it was weird then and shocking then!
Last time I was this early my husband didn’t allow me to show my ankles
Your husband let’s you show your ankles? 😳
This comment is just gold
How uncouth :o
Society* not the husband per se
Oh shit meme mum gave me a heart 😳
Portrait of a Lady on Fire. The main character has one set of stays that she always wears over a chemise, and sometimes she wears them as a top with her skirt added. (The skirt that is half of the singular dress/ensemble she owns.) They look well-worn, flatten her chest up, and are parallel when laced.
The costumes in this movie (and honestly the rest of it) were fantastic.
Steamy movie !!!!
Oooh, extra points for that excellent movie 😍🔥
That movie was just perfect.
Every lesbian in the chat be like 😁🌸🌸
I recently made an 19th century corset and have had relatives/friends over who have taken a look at it. Everyone's immediate reaction is "ohh and they would dig their knees into the girl's back and pull on these strings really hard!" haha, no
I once asked somebody to tighten my corset for me and they claimed to know what to do, and he yanked on the strings as if I were a horse he was trying to controll. Felt like he was trying to give me whip-lash.
@@Skreee99 i wouldn't trust him with a horse if he pulled like that
Just mentioning about "Pirates" that the whole premise of tightlacing a stay with no reinforced metal eyelets to the point of inability to breathe is a recipe for destroying your stays. Also Elisabeth uses the word corset to refer to her stays.
I’ll never stop begging you to review “The Duchess” - a historical drama starring Keira Knightley as a famous fashionista in late 18th century! Please meme mom! Not only is it a great movie but it’s got a lot of interesting fashion deats!
Please, more 18th century, Mlle. Żebrowska! We beg you.
I know it's not your favorite period, but you look quite fetching in 1780s couture!
The duchess is so underrated!
Marianna Figueiredo Totally agree! I can’t believe more people don’t know about it!
YES PLEASE i hear the costumes are quite accurate and I'd love to hear analyses of them!!
Yes I agree, please review The Duchess!!
My day has been blessed, so much corset content! 😍🙏
Me too! I love Karolina's content, it always makes my day! ❤️
I think my all time favorite "tight lacing" scene was from the fantasy movie "Mirror Mirror". It is done for pure comedy, the queen (Julia Roberts character) can breathe just fine, and is doing it so she can fit in her dress. They also use a damn machine, lol.
And thank goodness the first time I went to buy a corset I stumbled across a professional corset maker who's primary goal was to fit me properly and emphasize that if I couldn't breathe I wasn't laced properly. (Side note: the woman was amazing. About 6 hours after she laced me into it, some stiches gave and one of the steel bones began stabbing my right posterior, which under my costume was utterly impossible to reach. The next day I brought her the corset and she mailed me a replacement at her expense since we were at a con and she had nothing to fit me at that point.)
scarlett o'hara's character was super vain and in the book it mentions she tightlaced so she could have the smallest waist in the state. So the tightlacing scene is actually accurate to her
I'm going to say some stuff about wearing underbust corsets with heavy skirts here. I discovered, on arriving at an event where I had planned to wear heavy, elaborate bustle skirts, that I had packed the wrong corset - an underbust instead of an overbust. I had no other outfit choice and I knew, absolutely, that I could not wear the skirts without the corset to distribute the weight. So I wore the underbust. And it distributed the weight of the skirt nicely, I got a decent silhouette, and no-one knew from the outside.
So I suspect that the underbusts in Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, Meet me in St Louis, Gone With The Wind, and even some of the later ones (that's definitely an underbust on the girl closest in the Picnic at Hanging Rock corset scene) are actually done that way to save fitting time on getting the bust right, something that some makers find incredibly time-consuming and challenging. Bear in mind Hollywood was a machine at the time, churning out these films as quickly as possible, and they shared the costumes out to various movies. If you can support a huge skirt with an underbust, you don't have to worry about actresses having different bust sizes and shapes, you don't have to worry about how high or low their bust sits, and you can get maximum use out of the corset. That's my theory anyway.
It's still inaccurate and kind of lazy to do it in more modern movies and it would be nice if costume departments could start employing corsetmakers or even a consultant on corsetry, rather than anyone who knows anything about history screaming internally every time an actress has to wear a corset in a period movie, and then we all have to endure months of "iT wAs lItErAl tOrTuRe" in interviews.
Good points here. The musicals also featured heavy, lively dancing scenes while wearing just the undergarments- notably Seven Brides- and an underbust would likely be easier for the actresses to dance in, as well as more aesthetically pleasing to the viewer's eyes.
What I learned: Historical corsets in movies are the female equivalent to historical armour in movies.
Are there videos of people roasting historically inaccurate armour because that sounds equally entertaining
@@inkypunk There's Shadiversity, who covers medieval armour and weapons: czcams.com/users/shadmbrooksvideos
ans Weapons! all guys at war with all brand New Swords and armor. yeah right...
natalie w he’s a misogynist
@@fridgehorror4502 Yeah I was just exploring his vids more and noticed that. Never mind that rec.
“The corset scene” IMMEDIATELY THINKS OF BLACK BUTLER
This entire comment threw me back to tumblr so hard I could *hear* the Hetalia theme.
@@furrybastard27 nene mama nene mama!!
@@furrybastard27 draw a circle, that's how straight Hetalian Tumblr is
Oh god the flashbacks
the Pirates of the Caribbean scene is actually contextually relevant, she has a discussion with her father as she's being laced into it where he says that it's the newest fashion from London and she replies "well women in London must have learned not to breathe", essentially drawing focus to the point that tight lacing was not yet the norm or expectation, and that Elizabeth was not at all used to it.
I have this theory that early corset lacing scenes were just kind of “naughty” moments that got past the censors. I mean, I’m sure it was also to convey the idea of the suffering women endured historically for beauty, but I kind of wonder if it wasn’t also done for kink’s sake.
This could very well be, considering the protayal of lingerie in pre-code movies vs post-code.
Considering how some directors in Hollywood are, it's _definitely_ because of kink.
A way for skin show while also "mocking the vanity" of women
Our Meme Mom is back roasting historically inaccurate fashion!
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Along with the time issue you mentioned, I believe that one of the major reasons films don’t commission custom-made period-accurate corsets is because everyone involved in costume design for a Hollywood movie has to be a member of the Costume Designers Guild, which is the labor union that employs costume designers (like how SAG is the labor union for actors). From my understanding, a professional corset maker would have to be part of the CDG to be able to costume any actor in a movie or TV show, and that’s a LOT of extra hoops to jump through for period-accurate underwear. You could still have professional corset-makers consultant on a project, but I feel like most studios wouldn’t want to pay for that service for a “minor” detail like corsets.
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last year our school did Rodgers and Hammersteins Cinderella for our musical, and there was a tight lacing scene in it where Cinderella has to lace her stepsister Charlottes corset. Although honestly, I think it was only in there for laughs because during it, Charlotte gasps “I cAn TaStE mY lUnCh!”
I guess it's nice to see women being portrayed with something beneath the corset and not just bare skin
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I'm saving my excitement for 1 million... just after the Labour Day Weekend.
I would love to hear her roast the ‘Reign’ CW tv show costumes! LoL they’re one of the most bizarrely inaccurate things I’ve ever seen in a “historical” drama, it looks like they are all at Coachella or something LOL 😂
Its a good show but the costumes took me right out of the setting.
@@Kate-es9of and the music sounds like something you'd hear playing in a hipster coffee shop that hosts slam poetry every Wednesday night. Once you get past the outfits...and the music...and the writing...it's not too bad a show...(definitely my favorite "hate show") lol
Can you do a costume review of Calamity Jane? Some excellent corsets in that. Easily the best accidentally LGBTQ+ musical of the 1950s !
Emma (2020 version) also had a corset scene and it was interesting to contrast Emma’s corset with Harriet’s.
This is why people freak out when I tell them I wear a corset every day under my school clothes. *sigh* (Also I hate self-promotion but I have a channel and I'm hoping to produce lots of corset content in the future so like... follow if you want. idk)
I am guessing your corset makes your clothes fit wonderfully. 😉
That's so cool!
i wish i could do that, but none of my clothes would really work with it plus there *expensive*
Sweet. My sister makes her own
Same here! Unfortunately, the main thing most people think of when hearing about corsets are a series of urban myths. I really enjoy wearing corsets for school; I started doing so because I wanted to work towards a smaller waist, but I've grown to like the experience of wearing a corset quite a bit - it's just really comfortable and improves my posture. I only take off my corset at night or during gym class.
Kitty: “...I have had enough of this inaccurate historical fashion..”
*cue dramatic headstand*
About Titanic, James Cameron bought original clothing for most of the costumes so to be as original and accurate. So I tend to believe the costumes in that movie to be fairly accurate.
This is why I can't watch the new Little Women. After looking at the still shots and video clips I went insane. Hair, dress, colors. AARRRRGGGH. It's horrible! I would have loved to have your opinion on Pride and Prejudice 2005. Many corsets shown off in one scene by the Bennett sisters and one lace up scene.
When a single movie makes you want to ban "beach-waves" and side ponytails firever and for everyone
Michara tewers made a video on the horrible costumes.
Me when I tried to watch Indiana Jones.
Not to mention the Ugg boots
Mycarah Tewers made a wonderful analysis on how bad the costumes fit in the timer period. If you like roasting like Meme Mom is doing I'd recommend checking that out.
2015 Cinderella comes to my head, in terms of historical accuracy you can't see a specific period but they have a corset adjusting scene and the "digitally altering the waist" scandal (spoiler: it was just lily james being thin and having a big fluffy dress)
Cinderellas movies costumes were georgeos, especially the ball gown and the costumes were on purpose made with the intention to look like a historical movie made in the 1940s/1950s and it looked amazing.
And you can see the evil step sisters dancing around in their underwear, in metal underskirts (can't remember the correct term) and corsets that are tightly laced with zero issue. It is wonderful.
Also Lily James literally said that she wanted the dress to be tightly laced for the perfect look and it was only for the ballgown and it was still loose enough to make a whole dancing routine in it. All other corsets she wore were nicely fitting and comftable. And I think as a young woman on a ball to meet a guy she's interested in to look as good as possible is something completly normal, you wouldn't say that a woman today who wears spanks so that the dress looks tight is doing anything unhealthy either.
Anyways Cineralla 2015 costumes were amazing and quiet historical.
And her having worn a corset for years because of Downton Abby.
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I think they pulled inspiration from different eras for the gowns in Cinderella. Her step moms gowns are very 40s/50s looking, so you're probably right about the corset shapes.
My husband is an archeologist, and I’m a historian...we constantly are roasting historical movies. We love watching other’s roast historical as well! Also, I think the trope about tightening by holding on to something to tighten came from 19th century satirical artworks done to poke fun at women’s fashion...
This trope of super tight lacing a character's corset, usually to make her more attractive and often against the character's will, is used to convey/represent the idea of historical female oppression without explicitly talking about it. Though the idea that women were going around tight lacing all the time and often fainting because of it is mostly a myth brought on by literature of the time (and corsets were likely a lot more comfortable than people think) early feminists saw them as oppressive, restrictive and unnecessary and they fought for women to be allowed not to wear them, as well as to be allowed to wear more practical clothing in general. So corsetry has become a commonly known example of female oppression and thus has become useful to quickly and seamlessly communicate to the audience the character's relationship to her world or how she feels about her situation, maybe she is "not like other girls" and doesn't care about having a tiny waist or maybe she is being tight laced to appeal to a man she is being forced to marry, or maybe she is the one who is demanding to be uncomfortably tight laced because her goal is winning a man or she wishes to appear as beautiful as possible in order to wield her feminine wiles for another purpose. There's lots of different things this trope can show about a character, but it generally communicates that, in the setting of the movie, beauty and appearance are fundamental to a women's worth, power, position and situation in society.
Is anyone else just so grateful that someone with so much knowledge on historical fashion is on CZcams AND is funny and memeish??? It's so rare! We love you Meme Mom ❤️✨🙌
Check out Bernadette Banner, she's equally as awesome
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that audiences just want to see something different from what we see in our daily lives. There's this drive in film-making to make everything sexy and complicit with modern sensibilities, which frustrates those who know better and misinforms those who don't. But, if there was a scene in a movie with period-accurate undergarments, I'm pretty sure that audiences wouldn't riot over how unsexy it is.
Love the movie “Meet Me In St. Louis”! The thing that confused me about that corset scene was actually the garters on the outside of petticoats. Shouldn’t the petticoats have been over the corset? Especially if the corset has garters built into it for your stockings?
I’d love for her to review the reign costumes aka the most historically accurate costumes in the world
Film producer or Director: I want to film a period movie!
Production hiring team, costume director, literally everyone involved in the creation of costumes: ok let's hire a fashion historian-
Film producer of Director: No! That's terrible for the big screen, call party city! Stat!
History buffs wearing corsets:
Actresses doing just the same: "The corset instigated me to commit domestic terrorism."
This comment reminded me of how Emma Watson refused to wear a corset for the live action Beauty and the Beast because of this mindset and it bothered me to no end. It was bad enough that Belle's yellow dress was remade into that hideous thing. I wonder if her stance changed when it came to Little Women
@@spectralballadeer1255 I doubt it, I think director gretta gerwig stated in a interview that she herself is "anti corset" too , so I'm sure she tried to avoid them as much as possible for the actresses
@@katycyax3 Evidently she didn't object too much since there's a video with Florence Pugh where she mentions they wore corsets but expresses some myths about them. Based on what she said it sounds like whatever the costume department gave them wasn't right or fitted to their bodies at all
@@katycyax3 well Belle would have worn a stays, not a corset, for starters.
I think the tightlacing trope might come from the Little House series by Laura Ingalls Wilder. In the series, she describes her aunts, and later, she and her sister, lacing their corsets tightly. She also says that her mother would tell her and her sister to sleep in their corsets to keep their waist slender.
~"ever since I was interested in fashion history and history of fashion"~
me when I have to write a 3 passage long essay...
I mean Scarlett would be vain. That is her trait, so she would deffentelty be tightlaced. Still yeah it doesn't look like that when you tighten it.
Your cat is a mood. It's over all the bad movie corsets and just wants it all to stop.
pay1370 Little guy/gal was so done with everything 😁.
wait where is her cat?
I think some of the corset stereotypes we get are from the Little House on the Prairie books by Laura Ingalls Wilder, which were heavily edited for shock value by her libertarian journalist daughter. Scenes where Laura's aunts tightlaced each other before a party, Ma talking about having a waist so small Pa could span it with his hands, and Mary sleeping in her corset and telling Laura to are all included in the books, which were written in the 1930s about the 1870s-90s.
The movie "age of innocence" has some great costumes. Would love to hear your opinion about it. I'm not an expert in corsetry but from what I remember it seemed accurate 😅
I’ve seen some comments like in titanic for example where people are correlating how Rose no longer wearing a corset at the latter half of the movie is a representation of her being more “free-er” which is like 😑...ok
That's a grim take for people to have 🤢
oh Lord no... I couldn't stand her before, and after reading this I can't stand this movie even more... 😑
But wasn´t the reason of Rose not wearing a corset (did she really not wear one?) that she had s*x in a car with Jack and then had to get dressed all fast before the Titanic went down?
But what would be the problem with that theory? It is an undergarment, just like a bra and she was a teenager, it would be accurate. I mean havent you escape from your house without a bra to feel cool and edgy? Or loose your panties at your partner's house(im assuming you are an adult and wear bras, but this applies to every situation)
It's not roasting or offensive, if you say it's rating. BIG BRAIN 👌👌👌👌
I actually don't have any interest in fashion at all, I sort of just throw on whatever fits and hope for the best, but you speak so interestingly and vibrantly about the topic that it makes me interested in fashion too somehow. However, it definitely helps hearing about how awful movies are in historically accurate clothing since I _do_ want to enter the industry. Hopefully I can change the fashion history sins when I break out.
You should review the corsets in the “always be a bride” scene in 7brides for 7 brothers! No tight lacing scene, and they seem to actually give them the proper shape.
We should all start wearing corsets again just to spite people, and fornthe comfiness
Yessss.....I've always wanted to see what they are like and everyone is always like 'oh no, why??'
@@helena-iu6lx I have some modern corsets and love them. A good fitting corset is like wearing a hug.
I wear my Victorian style corset a lot and it actually helps my back pain!
And POCKETS
@@kaylahall1219 POCKETS YESSSSSS
Portrait of a young girl on fire, great movie, has corsets, also: lesbians!
This movie =
Such a good movie
The Handmaiden too, on all three points! Though that corset goes into the "tight-lacing until you can't breathe" trope.
Which one?🙈
The Fantom of The Opera's corsets literally look like something you'd get of wish for $10+ shipping.. yikes
You just brought to my mind all those movies that I absolutely want to rewatch. Jane Eyre my favorite is the 1997 but will watch the other adaptations too, young Victoria, The Pianooooo, Dangerous Liaison ufff!!!! T
Yesses!!!! I'm off to make some popcorn now!!!!
I literally started sewing a few months ago and my first project was a pair of 18th century stays... the first question I got was "how can you breathe in that???" And boi... I went on a history rant.
Dude I’ve been sewing for about a year and I haven’t gone NEAR stays or corsetry yet... you’re so brave
Bonus points for the movies that actually have chemises under the corsets!
Imagine someone 200 years from now, pointing out bra inaccuracies.
Not sure about corsets but I was always amazed by the scarlet pimpernel with Jane Seymour in it. Beautiful costumes
I honestly thought the “rating” corsets were ducks when I first saw the thumbnail.
that face at 0:30 is such a mood when watching historically inaccurate movies ngl
I love your videos so much!! I love history and learning about fashions and women’s history and your such a fun, amazing person. ❤️
Suitor Armor (webcomic) has a fairy lacing herself in a corset OVER HER CHEMISE and I cried seeing it lol