Ultimate Doom Nightmare! Monster Tier List (ft. Peter)

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  • How threatening is each monster during an Ultimate Doom nightmare 100% secrets run? Watch and find out.
    Tier list background base:
    tiermaker.com/
    Patreon:
    / decino
  • Hry

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  • @kaczan3
    @kaczan3 Před 4 lety +3738

    Well, The Cyber-Demon was in the secret nazi level of Doom 2 so of course he's SS.

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +718

      Good point.

    • @MidnightMechanic
      @MidnightMechanic Před 4 lety +318

      @@decino The Cyberdemon's also tankie as hell.
      *Soviet anthem plays*

    • @UziIdiot
      @UziIdiot Před 4 lety +253

      @@decino He's also summoned by the nazis in Wolfenstein RPG and loses his arm and leg

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +206

      @@UziIdiot The plot thickens...!

    • @ootdega
      @ootdega Před 4 lety +107

      @@UziIdiot Wait hold on _there's an explanation for that??_
      That's fukken amazing

  • @originpulse4234
    @originpulse4234 Před 4 lety +765

    “All Shotgun Guys can go to heck.”
    Shotgun Guy: *“That’s...why I’m here.”*

    • @skissue12929
      @skissue12929 Před 3 lety +10

      Lmfao

    • @gigaboi7921
      @gigaboi7921 Před 3 lety +16

      My head canon is heck is just a place filled with doom guys

  • @alicetretyakova3971
    @alicetretyakova3971 Před 4 lety +2014

    So, cacos are tomatoes, strawberries and raspsberries at the same time. The hellish biology is so surprising

    • @x1teDota
      @x1teDota Před 4 lety +336

      Don't forget Meatball.

    • @alicetretyakova3971
      @alicetretyakova3971 Před 4 lety +177

      @@x1teDota In Text to Doom, yes. But decino uses this for pain elementals

    • @VaterOrlaag
      @VaterOrlaag Před 4 lety +171

      That's "heckish biology", get it straight.

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +268

      Str*ight.

    • @ShinoSarna
      @ShinoSarna Před 4 lety +82

      tomatoes are berries, so it fits.

  • @rubyaspookyskeleton2417
    @rubyaspookyskeleton2417 Před 4 lety +923

    Plutonia Tier List:
    Tier SS: Chaingunners and Revenants
    TIer S: Archviles
    Tier F: The Rest of enemies

    • @WW-zt1zs
      @WW-zt1zs Před 4 lety +156

      teleporting in your face bullshit Barons i think deserve a solid B

    • @elefanteguerreropsiquicoan8951
      @elefanteguerreropsiquicoan8951 Před 4 lety +42

      That's just normal Plutonia, Nightmare Plutonia would be like
      SSSS+++++ GO FUCK YOURSELF: Chaingunners, thousands of chaingunners.
      SS: Archvile, Revenant and Pinkies
      FF-: Everything Else
      Actually no scrap that, Nightmare Plutonia Tier List must be a just bag of Dario Casali's ball sweat and a copy of TNT inside it

    • @average_pyro
      @average_pyro Před 4 lety +20

      Then nobody is tier F

    • @Drk_Matter-yn8ec
      @Drk_Matter-yn8ec Před 3 lety +4

      What about TNT?

    • @Taffywater
      @Taffywater Před 3 lety +16

      *cough* *cough* pain elementals *cough* *cough*

  • @oil_moon
    @oil_moon Před 4 lety +2030

    "if you can beat E1M3 you can beat any other level"
    *proceeds to show the absolute hellscape of E4M6*
    Oh you.

    • @NORAMA01
      @NORAMA01 Před 4 lety +40

      *_L E I R O N Y_*

    • @explosiveaddict6939
      @explosiveaddict6939 Před 4 lety +55

      I'm playing with all of John Romero's addons-- E1M4b, E1M8b, and Sigil. So when I beat E1M3, I was so excited until I got to the TRUE *Nightmare!* of E1M4b. I still haven't beat it.

    • @Liam-sb9vb
      @Liam-sb9vb Před 4 lety +7

      666 likes. I can't like your comment or I'd ruin it.

    • @OlviMasta77
      @OlviMasta77 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Liam-sb9vb dew it

    • @chrism1518
      @chrism1518 Před 3 lety +1

      ShadowBreaker9001
      I’ve only beaten E1M3 on Nightmare! twice, both of which being on the BFG Edition without turbo pinkies, etc. To this day I’ve never been able to beat it on true Nightmare.

  • @soupalex
    @soupalex Před 4 lety +886

    Ultimate Doom (PG) chapters:
    *Knee-deep in the Med* (doomguy goes paddling in the sea on his holiday to Amalfi)
    *The Shores of Heck* (the sand on the beach is pretty hot, better wear sandals!)
    *(Disco) Inferno* (doomguy shows off his moves at the resort's dance party)
    *Thy Fish Consumed* (doomguy enjoys a delicious dish of fish puttanesca)

    • @praisecats2724
      @praisecats2724 Před 4 lety +53

      Wait, at least 8 levels where you just eat a fish?

    • @soupalex
      @soupalex Před 4 lety +55

      @@praisecats2724 eh, doomguido, _chi del gitano i giorni abbella,_ eh? come 'ere, _tutti vespa macaroni fiat uno,_ you gotta try this, _mia mamma,_ she make-a the best-a puttanesca, just-a for you!

    • @chrism1518
      @chrism1518 Před 4 lety +49

      It took me way too long to realize that Knee-Deep In The Med meant the Mediterranean. I'm an idiot

    • @sivvinod3187
      @sivvinod3187 Před 4 lety +16

      @@chrism1518 knee deep in the meds

    • @lawrencewood3438
      @lawrencewood3438 Před 3 lety +22

      @@sivvinod3187 (doom guy struggles with his cocain addiction)

  • @WW-zt1zs
    @WW-zt1zs Před 4 lety +707

    Whenever I am playing Hell Beneath I just wanna give American McGee high five for desigining this level. In the face. With a chair.

    • @panthekirb7561
      @panthekirb7561 Před 4 lety +111

      Romero deserves a brick to the head for e4m2.

    • @WW-zt1zs
      @WW-zt1zs Před 4 lety +78

      @@panthekirb7561 pretty nasty but at least you get enough resources around the map to eventually power through everything there. Plasma, Bfg, good stuff. In e4m1 you get 12 Rockets to deal with...5 or 6 Barons of hell and hitscanners shooting through the wall while you can't. And no medikits. ffs... Even TNT gives you chainsaws to Pick these hitscanners around the corners...but here...fuck this map

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue Před 4 lety +61

      @@WW-zt1zs
      Not just no medkits, no stimpacks either. NOTHING except a pathetic nine 1-HP bonuses.

    • @dootscute1739
      @dootscute1739 Před 4 lety +22

      Wanna check their Vibes? Take these:
      Super shotgun
      BFG
      Chainsaw

    • @panthekirb7561
      @panthekirb7561 Před 4 lety +4

      @TheVoiceOfTruth Ain't Romero barely any better in that regard?

  • @thejoshchannel45
    @thejoshchannel45 Před 3 lety +112

    I like how he says “once” in “once you run dangerously low on health” , not “if”, *Once.*

  • @sittinkittin
    @sittinkittin Před 4 lety +110

    It's really cute how fidgety Doom's monsters get in confined spaces, especially with fast monsters enabled.

  • @danielnavarro3448
    @danielnavarro3448 Před 4 lety +260

    16:02 "then blast his juicy ass" that had me dying of laughter, the Cyber Demon's thiccness is not something anyone should mess with

  • @errornoname23
    @errornoname23 Před 3 lety +40

    When you turn on Nightmare, every Pinky in the game gets a full explosive barrel to drink before Doom Guy arrives.
    The barrels are filled with morphine, adrenaline, and Monster.

    • @4ak346
      @4ak346 Před 3 lety

      Lmao

    • @Mordecai02
      @Mordecai02 Před 6 měsíci

      I mean, wouldn't the morphine and the adrenaline+monster kinda cancel out? I'm pretty sure the former is a hell of a downer

    • @ssjbread2803
      @ssjbread2803 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@Mordecai02the adrenaline and monster speed him up, the morphine destroys his pain receptors

  • @TheChensta
    @TheChensta Před 4 lety +240

    Decino: Says heck to be advertiser-friendly.
    Also Decino: Shores of H E L L.

    • @aech_two_oh
      @aech_two_oh Před 2 lety

      How dare decino say h€ll 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

    • @near5148
      @near5148 Před rokem

      Lo I

    • @Saver310
      @Saver310 Před rokem +2

      @@near5148 fnf pfp :(((

    • @AbsnormalCoolest
      @AbsnormalCoolest Před rokem +1

      @@Saver310 whats the problem

    • @Saver310
      @Saver310 Před rokem

      @@AbsnormalCoolest h

  • @odstagent1070
    @odstagent1070 Před 4 lety +171

    I'm imagining a conference with Decino and Peter using marine helmets showing a presentation named "Ultimate Doom enemy tier list" in front of some marines, Doomguy, the Cyberdemon, the Spider and the other enemies, everyone clapping, while Decino says cute things about cacodemons and Peter telling everyone how he survived with 3% health and a broken arm
    (Great job as always)

  • @natedoggcata
    @natedoggcata Před 4 lety +426

    Hell Revealed tier list:
    Archville: 🔥

  • @mikemandalorian2427
    @mikemandalorian2427 Před 4 lety +273

    5:27 that's a... nice transition? xD

    • @thearch-vile8232
      @thearch-vile8232 Před 4 lety +4

      Your the only one who replied about that

    • @aposescout6280
      @aposescout6280 Před 4 lety +9

      doom pp
      bottom text

    • @zomge_videos
      @zomge_videos Před 4 lety +4

      Right when I saw that transition, I look right for this comment

    • @Youtuber4937
      @Youtuber4937 Před 4 lety +6

      LMAO, I didn't even notice that when I first saw it, then realized it's an a$$hole. lol

    • @carstealer
      @carstealer Před 3 lety

      pp

  • @the1stwing
    @the1stwing Před 4 lety +510

    Pinky's be like "If we Naruto run, we can dodge his bullets!"

  • @pikaporeon
    @pikaporeon Před rokem +28

    I'm always shocked Cacos debuted in epi2 as theyre so iconic to doom but werent in the shareware everyone played

  • @mokibomo
    @mokibomo Před 4 lety +213

    I saw how you zoomed in on that Imp, Decino..
    But you forgot Cacohole.

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +73

      Next time.

    • @mokibomo
      @mokibomo Před 4 lety +38

      Don't forget Romeros tweet about it for maximum pain state laughing.

    • @ghoulbuster1
      @ghoulbuster1 Před 4 lety +21

      >pain state laughing
      LUL

    • @chazgoat
      @chazgoat Před 4 lety +19

      just like what romero said. "i cant talk about those holes"

  • @ovidiuz34
    @ovidiuz34 Před 4 lety +73

    I did episode 4 on Ultra Violence, I don't need more stress in my life..

    • @volo870
      @volo870 Před 4 lety +4

      Wow! I was too frustrated to beat it even on Hurt Me Plenty!

  • @hegecactus8938
    @hegecactus8938 Před 4 lety +207

    Plutonia tier list would be pretty boring with just chaingunner, archvile and revenant

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +88

      The reason why we're not going to bother with Final Doom.

    • @captain1337.
      @captain1337. Před 4 lety +12

      @@decino im sad now

    • @captain1337.
      @captain1337. Před 4 lety +3

      @@decino how about doom 64

    • @josheboythespeedrunner8491
      @josheboythespeedrunner8491 Před 3 lety

      Greengate maybe since he’s playing it

    • @williamsmith666
      @williamsmith666 Před 3 lety

      @@captain1337.
      Zombieman: C
      Shotgunner: SS
      Imp: D
      Nightmare Imp: B
      Pinky: C
      Spectre: B
      Lost Soul: SS
      Cacodemon: C
      Hell Knight: D
      Baron: C
      Arachnotron: B
      Pain Elemental: S
      Mancubus: B
      Cyberdemon: A
      Mother Demon: S (if fighting normally), D (with powered up Unmaker)

  • @MrEvilbyte
    @MrEvilbyte Před 4 lety +120

    Cyberdemon (E2M8): So easy we can punch him out!
    Cyberdemon (E3M9): EZ cause free invul!
    Cyberdemon (E4M2): Ez cause Telefrag ftw!
    Cyberdemon (E4M7): Free Invul and Supercharge!
    Cyberdemon (E4M6): OMG THIS IS BEYOND LEGENDARY HECK ON EARTH DIFFICULTY!!!!!

    • @ZeldaTheSwordsman
      @ZeldaTheSwordsman Před 8 měsíci

      Now, on an _episode_ run the E2M8 one would still be a right pain in the ass.

    • @JDRed117
      @JDRed117 Před 4 měsíci

      "the f-"
      *boom*

  • @librarianseraphim3934
    @librarianseraphim3934 Před 4 lety +99

    "In conclusion,shotgunners in tier S,they can all die and go to HeCk." - Decino

    • @jb_lofi
      @jb_lofi Před 4 lety +13

      He's freakin' right. The deepest, darkest, coldest pit of heck is reserved for hitscanners! >:C

    • @average_pyro
      @average_pyro Před 4 lety +4

      @@jb_lofi but they're already there

    • @neotheshadowwarrior4082
      @neotheshadowwarrior4082 Před 3 lety +3

      @@average_pyro hecker

  • @cfdeers
    @cfdeers Před 4 lety +464

    Is Decino secretly turning into an advertiser-friendly analyzer?

    • @reloadpsi
      @reloadpsi Před 4 lety +56

      Maybe he's secretly a talking doggo, and his native language is actually that broken English they're always shown talking.

    • @ADR69
      @ADR69 Před 4 lety +22

      Heck yeah he is!

    • @hansleberwurst8825
      @hansleberwurst8825 Před 4 lety +19

      Money doesn't grow on trees.

    • @AverageJoe8686
      @AverageJoe8686 Před 4 lety +27

      Yeah you can do all things through the power of christ. Except use swear words and you gotta give the church 10% of your money even when you need it to feed your kids. Also if someone who studies the world that god gave his only son for is telling you that the world is getting destroyed forever, then you absolutely must stone them to death after you ruin their reputation and break their spirit. Also also even though your blood sugar is low because you couldn't afford to eat because you gave that money to the church, and then you have a bad day and flip out, it's all your fault and you're going to hell forever. Also also also if someone tries to show you the errors of your ways you must hate them because jesus is love.

    • @squillamsquallace2468
      @squillamsquallace2468 Před 4 lety +8

      Or maybe he is too wholesome to mutter H*ll in his devil beating rampage. It is what Bob Ross would have wanted.

  • @ShinoSarna
    @ShinoSarna Před 4 lety +59

    I wonder why Spiderdemon has once again classed as F tier. I think this might be ironically because of her high health - she has too much health to really be used in a normal level, so she is only good as a boss monster.
    But as a boss monster, she is really boring - because her attack is hitscan and she is huge and slow, entire fight consists of standing behind cover, and only peeking out to shoot at her - something that you can't do with Cyberdemon without risking lethal splash damage.
    Arachnotron is genuinely a fixed and useful version of Spiderdemon - smaller for more mobility, less health means you can put several of those in a level without making played dump their entire ammo, and automatic chaingun replaced with automatic plasmagun means dodging their attacks is more exciting.

    • @JiroTheRaptor
      @JiroTheRaptor Před 4 lety +15

      I think another aspect that not a lot of people talk about is the Spiderdemon's sheer size. She is by far the widest enemy in the game, and while the Cybie is taller, that doesn't really mean anything in vanilla Doom game mechanics, so she's just easier to hit than him. This also means that the places she can be placed are very limited, even more than the Cyberdemon. The Cybie pops up 5? times throughout all of Ultimate Doom, while the Spidey only pops up twice, both as final boss appearances. To add insult to injury, she also (for some reason) has quite a bit less health than he does, 2500 vs. 4000. *In addition*, she's also much easier to stunlock in my experience, and more prone to infighting likely because of the hitscan armament. All this, combined with free BFG, contributes to a vastly underwhelming final boss for both the original Doom and Ultimate Doom.

    • @serhiy-serhiiv
      @serhiy-serhiiv Před 2 lety +8

      @@JiroTheRaptor spider mastermind has 3000 hp, not 2500.

    • @ZeldaTheSwordsman
      @ZeldaTheSwordsman Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@JiroTheRaptorI wonder what she'd be like if she had the Archvile's magic attack in addition to her gun.

    • @Mordecai02
      @Mordecai02 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@ZeldaTheSwordsman Or better yet, double plasma cannons (which each fire half as fast as the player's plasma gun and fire alternatingly, totaling up to the same rate of fire as the player's). And an extra thousand HP.

  • @LittlleJimmy941
    @LittlleJimmy941 Před 4 lety +76

    "...and because of this, cyberdemom moves to tier SS"
    But...you placed him there initially

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +32

      clever boi

    • @LooselyDnD
      @LooselyDnD Před 4 lety +2

      Want a job?

    • @schmorgus4592
      @schmorgus4592 Před 3 lety +1

      @Иван Кольчевский sad you never got that job offer, better luck next time

    • @claytonpactol8851
      @claytonpactol8851 Před 3 lety +3

      @@decino You moved him from a high place...
      *to a HIHG place*

    • @Marvin_Aethos
      @Marvin_Aethos Před 3 lety +1

      @@claytonpactol8851 hihg

  • @MathClassCartoons
    @MathClassCartoons Před rokem +21

    The transition at 5:28 was 10/10

  • @halvtysk
    @halvtysk Před 4 lety +109

    "Adorable raspberries". This is comment gold!

  • @spaicrab5327
    @spaicrab5327 Před 4 lety +27

    A 18 minutes yellow background video...
    *This is gonna be good*

  • @Jamrab
    @Jamrab Před 4 lety +153

    What's with the "can't mention nine inch nails in 2019" reference? Did I miss something :((

    • @Jamrab
      @Jamrab Před 4 lety +23

      @Adam Demeter could you tell us more about it

    • @Lattamonsteri
      @Lattamonsteri Před 4 lety +33

      I am shocked to hear this D:

    • @Jamrab
      @Jamrab Před 4 lety +35

      @Adam Demeter ugh that's pretty sad. Hate easter eggs being ruined

    • @DrearierSpider1
      @DrearierSpider1 Před 4 lety +38

      @Adam Demeter That would be my guess, especially considering how many hoops you have to jump through to get the NIN soundtrack working in digital versions of Quake (if it's included at all).

    • @HazmanFTW
      @HazmanFTW Před 4 lety +16

      Oh man that sucks. :'( good thing I only play it on PC :D tho on Switch would be pretty nice to be able to play on the go. But I don't want to buy Doom again.

  • @Akie51
    @Akie51 Před 4 lety +20

    The cyberdemon part was hilarious

  • @rattlehead1003
    @rattlehead1003 Před 4 lety +73

    5:28 NNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    • @Klausinator451
      @Klausinator451 Před 4 lety +2

      czcams.com/video/DqdO0fGFBYQ/video.html couldn't find the clip of him saying "Yeah get in there!" Thisll have to do.

  • @shiba2ndworlder
    @shiba2ndworlder Před 4 lety +11

    My uncle installed in my laptop the "True action mod" and the most dangerous enemy was a laser gun armed zombieman in trousers

  • @somequasiparticles
    @somequasiparticles Před 4 lety +17

    "Heck on Earth"
    Proceeds to analyze footage of one of the most obscenely violent and satanic video games of all time

  • @NORAMA01
    @NORAMA01 Před 4 lety +18

    "Shotgunners are bad they can all die, and can go to heck"
    Ah yes, irony.

  • @mainlander3920
    @mainlander3920 Před 4 lety +23

    Strange how the mid boss is on the highest tier while the final boss is in the lowest one, but yeah, the Spider Mastermind is quite easy to kill in all her appearances.

    • @ZeldaTheSwordsman
      @ZeldaTheSwordsman Před 8 měsíci

      It doesn't help that she has more surrounding monsters to infight with than just Lost Souls, and can't kill them as fast with her only attack. I wonder how it would go if she had whatever her magic attack was going to be, or the Arch-vile's as a substitute.

  • @planterbox
    @planterbox Před 2 lety +2

    thank you so much for adding subtitles! i’m not deaf, i’m just bad at hearing, but i appreciate them nonetheless.

  • @viridian6812
    @viridian6812 Před 4 lety +17

    >decino uploads
    VERY fast me running at incredible hihg speeds

  • @vandieyahya1024
    @vandieyahya1024 Před 4 lety +7

    Both Decino and Peter make a solid duo host for all doom-related topics. Their turn by turn speechs is really awesome!
    Also i like how Decino alone keep 'bluff'ing about "why Cyberdemon in tier SS?" Lol. He does that a very lot and make me gag a lot!

    • @vandieyahya1024
      @vandieyahya1024 Před 4 lety +2

      The one with repeated 'oh, hmmm' and 'what the h*ck?' XD

  • @precurrentgaming5300
    @precurrentgaming5300 Před 4 lety +10

    From the original my personal favorite enemy was always the Baron of Hell. They always looked so cool as a kid and the green fire ball made them even cooler.

  • @RdTrler
    @RdTrler Před 4 lety +11

    10:52
    When you're a door-to-door salesman and you knock on the wrong door.

  • @demogorgonzola
    @demogorgonzola Před 4 lety +6

    From the famed Priests song "Turbo Pinky"
    🎶 You won't hear me, but you'll feel me
    Without warning, somethings dawning, listen.
    Then within your senses, you'll know you're defenseless
    I'm your turbo pinky, tell me there's no other
    I'm your turbo pinky - better run for cover 🎶

  • @spingebinge
    @spingebinge Před 4 lety +8

    Thumbnail: *Exists*
    2016 Pinky: Hahaha, I’m in danger.

  • @darutucaruti9980
    @darutucaruti9980 Před 3 lety +2

    I love the way you describe the game at the beginning, like if it's a very obscure game that almost nobody has played

  • @chaoseclipse0121
    @chaoseclipse0121 Před 4 lety +4

    2:15 - For some odd reason, Peter sounds like he's listing off an entry from the Schmidt Sting Pain Index with the way he talks about the Shotgunner, lol.

  • @pmwest7977
    @pmwest7977 Před 4 lety +37

    Doom 2 : [COMMANDER_KEEN_PAIN.wav] On Earth

  • @Jacktrack7
    @Jacktrack7 Před 4 lety +13

    "Are you willing to try Nightmare! difficulty?"
    LOL NO.

  • @BillyBillyandMandyReal
    @BillyBillyandMandyReal Před 3 lety +5

    "Switch Version lacks fast monsters"
    The new update would like to speak to you

  • @kic8523
    @kic8523 Před 4 lety +43

    I've always liked the way you say "Pinkies". I'ts cute

  • @Johnnocide06
    @Johnnocide06 Před 4 lety +39

    Genuinely curious why your language is PG when your channel if filled with MA15+ gameplay. No complaints though, love the channel :)

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +53

      Because frick.

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 Před 4 lety +22

      I find the contrast amusing.

  • @pablostufff
    @pablostufff Před 4 lety +6

    I never expected to hear you saying 'Heck on Earth'

  • @CZPC
    @CZPC Před 4 lety +2

    Love your videos man. Not a huge fan of crossovers or bonus people personally on any channel but it still seems like you did a great job here.

  • @agiar2000
    @agiar2000 Před 2 lety +3

    I remember thinking that, except as the final episode boss of The Shores of Hell, the Cyberdemon is more of a puzzle boss than a real tough enemy. He's terrible if you try to face him head on, but every level where he's not the final boss of the episode, the level provides you a shortcut to beating it easily, such as an invincibility powerup and a BFG or a telefrag opportunity.

    • @ZeldaTheSwordsman
      @ZeldaTheSwordsman Před 8 měsíci

      Although it seems on Nightmare, that gets screwed up on E4M6.

  • @MatthewBester
    @MatthewBester Před 4 lety +19

    I really love these videos. Thanks for showing the "Doom (Strict)" option, I do prefer more vanilla experience, I just want smooth with better resolutions half the time. Here is an idea for a video...
    Would you talk about the options in these engines. I have no idea what most of them do. I tend to leave them in default position.

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +28

      I could make a video about ZDoom/vanilla differences.

    • @MatthewBester
      @MatthewBester Před 4 lety +5

      That would be useful. The tooltips they give mean little to me.

    • @nowaywithyoueveragai
      @nowaywithyoueveragai Před 4 lety +2

      @@decino oh yeah!!

    • @tjg121389
      @tjg121389 Před 4 lety +2

      @@decino I would like that as well! That would be super informative.

    • @Mordecai02
      @Mordecai02 Před 6 měsíci

      @@decino Dude, that'd be awesome. Thanks.

  • @dutybound2211
    @dutybound2211 Před 4 lety +4

    It's amazing how two extra bullets can turn an enemy from pathetic to lethal.

  • @JollyJuiice
    @JollyJuiice Před 4 lety +5

    6:25
    Pinkies: _Scooby Doo running sound_

  • @neil8806
    @neil8806 Před 3 lety +1

    the way peter talks makes it so it sounds like hes always smiling

  • @Tymon02
    @Tymon02 Před 3 lety +6

    Finally someone who considers lost souls easy and SPECTERS THE ABSOLUTE NUISANCE

  • @trollpolice3_
    @trollpolice3_ Před 4 lety +5

    Doom II Cacodemon calls them tomatoes with cute looks
    Doom Cacodemon Raspberry
    Doom Pinkie addicted to energy drinks.
    Boy you are one creative guy

  • @buggy730
    @buggy730 Před 2 lety +1

    "Addiction to energy drinks"
    My god how much energy drinks does the UAC have?
    Basically having that many energy drinks your heart just
    *pop*

  • @NinjaCacodemon_IsSus
    @NinjaCacodemon_IsSus Před 2 lety +2

    Imps be like "YAY! FINALLY ME BEING HIGH TIER!!!"

  • @okay.6024
    @okay.6024 Před 4 lety +4

    Spider mastermind: "final boss"
    Me: Laughs In J.J.J from spider-man " *You serious?* "

  • @DasPitchfork
    @DasPitchfork Před 4 lety +3

    6:47 He meant to say "tiny-ass room" but said "tiny ass-room."

  • @josephrossow8901
    @josephrossow8901 Před 4 lety +1

    Really neat video! Comparing this to the Doom 2 tier list is really an interesting study in how different contexts can make the same enemies a very different experience.

  • @enricopaolocoronado2511
    @enricopaolocoronado2511 Před 3 lety +2

    I feel like the Nightmare 100% Secrets playthroughs of the Doom games are what Doomguy canonically went through.
    No wonder he's so heck-bent on killing of demons, he had to contend with nightmarish hitscan ambushes and speedy boi projectiles as a normal person every single time he steps out into the open.

  • @FeistyKant
    @FeistyKant Před 4 lety +21

    5:28 :D

  • @SurfbyShootin
    @SurfbyShootin Před 4 lety +9

    You should do a weapons tier list.

  • @mjc0961
    @mjc0961 Před 4 lety +2

    decino - Doom 2: Heck on Earth
    Petere - Fighting Pinkies in a tiny ass room.
    🤔🤣

  • @Athesies
    @Athesies Před 2 lety +2

    Guess I might as well beat e1m3 on nightmare then lol, sounds like fun to get a proper taste of nightmare mode

    • @Athesies
      @Athesies Před 2 lety +2

      Yoooo i did it! Took me like 3 days and today was an hour long sesion but I did it including both exits and all secrets!
      Wasnt too tough after practicing on ultra violence + and once I got to the chaingun. I hope excessive quick saving was allowed lmao

  • @yesimforreal8655
    @yesimforreal8655 Před 2 lety +4

    1:39 ZOMBIE MAN
    2:12 SHOTGUNER
    4:28 IMP
    5:35 PINKY/SPECTER
    7:46 LOST SOUL
    8:54 CACO DEMON
    10:39 BARON OF HELL
    12:49 *SPIDER MASTERMIND*
    13:52🔥 *CYBERDEMON* 🔥

  • @TheAzorg
    @TheAzorg Před 4 lety +8

    Come on, monster tier lists from serious sams ! :D

  • @kapparomeo
    @kapparomeo Před 4 lety +1

    I do like your title screens, they're a lot of fun.

  • @fuckfacesstashofshitposts3034

    Took a very long time. Worth the wait.

  • @jacderida
    @jacderida Před 4 lety +7

    Another great video decino! (And Peter!)
    Would you ever consider doing a video detailing the differences between source ports? At the beginning of this video you spoke of things GZDoom had removed from the engine. I'm curious to know how different they actually are. I'm sure I heard John Romero saying in some commentary that he uses GZDoom and I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was something along the lines of it being very faithful to the original game, the only real difference being the hardware rendering. Or perhaps Romero is mistaken and just doesn't know enough of the details?

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +4

      That's on my to-do list.

    • @jacderida
      @jacderida Před 4 lety

      @@decino Nice one - I'll look forward to that!

    • @jacderida
      @jacderida Před 4 lety +1

      czcams.com/video/YUU7_BthBWM/video.html
      I found where Romero said it - it was in this video. He starts talking about it around 10:10. He was actually talking about the Doomsday Engine though, not GZDoom - my bad.

  • @doktawhawee9870
    @doktawhawee9870 Před 4 lety +4

    "Hecc on Earf"

  • @RedW4rr10r
    @RedW4rr10r Před 4 lety

    I lol'ed real life during that Cyber Demon compilation xD
    cool video, thanks to you both!

  • @JamieBainbridge
    @JamieBainbridge Před 4 lety +2

    Being forced to fight to progress is an interesting observation about Doom 1. It's almost like the game is well-paced! As much as people talk shit about Sandy's level design, I love his maps and am glad for his contribution.

  • @thewaver8
    @thewaver8 Před 4 lety +6

    Small question (with a potential long reply): why is GZDoom considered impure? You mentioned "engine quirks", but to me that's very non-specific. I would be very keen on a video going through the different PC ports and their... ummm... impurities (and whether they are accepted for official runs). :)

    • @riba2233
      @riba2233 Před 4 lety +1

      Agreed, I would also like to hear more detailed explanation.

    • @morinor1340
      @morinor1340 Před 4 lety

      Essentially the original games are full of bugs and weird behaviour, weird collisions, things partially or fully clipping, etc. GZDoom heavily modifies how the game runs, and 'fixes' a lot of these quirks.
      Oh, and it changes monster hitboxes so theyre easier to punch.

    • @Shepardus
      @Shepardus Před 4 lety +5

      As Morinor said, ZDoom and its variants change a lot of vanilla Doom's quirks, such as collision detection (if you've ever tried to chainsaw a mancubus or spiderdemon in vanilla Doom, you know how broken it can be), random number generation, the knockback from explosions (in vanilla Doom explosions only push things horizontally even if they come from a vertical angle, like a rocket fired from below), movement bugs like wallrunning, etc. More things than I know, and certainly too many to list here.
      These were changed for various reasons, but this tends to happen when a feature gets rewritten to make things more flexible for modders. Some of these changes can be enabled/disabled with compatibility flags but others cannot.
      In general, ZDoom is kind of its own thing and doesn't aim for demo compatibility with vanilla, even with "Doom (strict)" compatibility settings (which is more to fix maps that break with normal ZDoom settings than it is to create identical behavior). In fact it uses a separate demo format from vanilla Doom, so a demo recorded in ZDoom cannot be played in vanilla Doom and vice versa. Demo compatibility between versions of ZDoom is also not the best, so to play back a ZDoom demo you may need the same version with which it was recorded.
      For recording "official" demos you generally want to use vanilla Doom, Chocolate/Crispy Doom, or PrBoom+ (with the appropriate -complevel setting). These place much emphasis on maintaining vanilla behavior and demo compatibility. Boom changes some behavior from vanilla, such as how many lost souls pain elementals can spawn, but PrBoom's complevel option lets you choose the version of Doom whose behavior you want to emulate, so demos recorded with it will often be done with certain standard complevels such as -complevel 2 (Doom 1.9/Doom II) and -complevel 9 (Boom 2.02).

    • @wssdude
      @wssdude Před 4 lety +3

      Try to shoot a rocket into group of cacos in GZDoom and in PRBoom. This is one of the most outrageous things in GZDoom when you love (like me) playing maps that are all about managing groups of monsters. There are many videos about this and similar issues with GZDoom and the like vs. any true vanilla source port.
      EDIT: if you want to see what I mean, I found this after few minutes of searching...
      czcams.com/video/7SE7BIPe3Qs/video.html
      Sad thing is, this is not the only issue with ZDoom ports (as @Shepardus said)

    • @thewaver8
      @thewaver8 Před 4 lety +1

      Woah - thank you for all the replies and explanations! :)
      If I'm, being perfectly honest, ZDoom seems to make everything way more versatile (I mean, what's the point of having a flying monster that can't fly over other monsters?) - BUT, that being said, I completely understand now how it warps the original experience.
      Cheers, everyone!

  • @Intestine_Ballin-ism
    @Intestine_Ballin-ism Před 4 lety +6

    *mentions Nine Inch Nails*
    DEMONETIZED ECKS DEE

  • @lily91109
    @lily91109 Před 3 lety +1

    I've never played doom before. It's just fun to listen to people gushing about their favourite topics.

  • @ameripinothepurplelink1888

    "imagine being weaker than a zombieman"
    -this post was made by every enemy except spider mastermind gang

    • @4ak346
      @4ak346 Před 3 lety

      Oof. Then 1 pistol shot and ded. Cannot imagine an enemy like that being actually in the game.

  • @virusinfection1
    @virusinfection1 Před 4 lety +3

    I noticed some of the unused sprites with the former human enemies what mod did you use to get this in game?

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +4

      www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/sprfix19

  • @_sharkdev_
    @_sharkdev_ Před 3 lety +2

    With the amount of hearted comments I see, I believe that not only is Decino a great youtuber, but also has much love to give for his viewers
    Edit: for his viewers

  • @buggy730
    @buggy730 Před 2 lety +1

    3:39 you call this resisting arrest?
    *WE CALL THIS A DIFFICULTY TWEAK.*

  • @Tactical_wulf5.56
    @Tactical_wulf5.56 Před 4 lety +1

    I'm just starting to really get into the flow of doom. This tier list will help if I'm ever brave enough to try an ultra nightmare run

  • @gojithereploid7623
    @gojithereploid7623 Před 4 lety +3

    I'd swap the Caco and Baron, and personally think the Cyberdemon is D/C tier, but otherwise this list is great! Solid reasoning for everything even the placements I disagree with

  • @EvacTouch
    @EvacTouch Před 4 lety +5

    *h e c c* on earth
    "as they naruto run at you"
    OMG LOL

  • @maxis_scott_engie_maximov_jr

    Here's my tier list: All demons A Tier and Cyberdemon SS Tier
    All gave me pain even on HMP

  • @Zuul-cv3xq
    @Zuul-cv3xq Před 4 lety

    Love this video, totally worth the wait. So excited for doom 2016

  • @theswampylad5734
    @theswampylad5734 Před 4 lety +8

    E4m1 is easily the hardest official map of any doom game, even harder than map32 of Plutonia

    • @majamystic256
      @majamystic256 Před 4 lety +4

      E4M2 I personally consider harder than E4M1

    • @toretronio9030
      @toretronio9030 Před 4 lety

      Not if you grab the bfg behind the wall

    • @PeterLawrenceYT
      @PeterLawrenceYT Před 4 lety +6

      TNT MAP09

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 Před 4 lety +1

      I know that's wrong because E4M2 is harder than E4M1, and then Peter already mentioned TNT map 9. And map 32 isn't even the hardest Plutonia map, that map gives you a BFG and tons of cells and Megashperes. It may be full of brutal monsters, and you may die a few times by catching some unlucky rockets, but it's relatively easy since you can BFG to win.

    • @theswampylad5734
      @theswampylad5734 Před 4 lety +1

      @@mjc0961 I think E4m1 is harder for me because of the resources you get. There's pretty much no health on the map meaning if you take alot of hits early you have to restart. How tight and small the map it. The The strongest weapon you get is the rocket launcher, at least e4m2 gives you a plasma gun for barons. That's just what makes the level extremely hard for me is just how perfectly you have to play, e4m2 just have more resources thus more chances to mess up. While on e4m1 you must play perfect to win

  • @uacRaise
    @uacRaise Před 4 lety +4

    SS Cyberdemon just because of one single level? When Demons and Shotgunners gives you hard time in rest of the game.
    Imo I still consider Shotgunners as most dangerous enemies on nightmare difficulty. It's difficult to predict their respawn tick and it takes instantly around 30 hp.
    But still, your DooM explanations videos are pleasure to watch.

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +7

      Tier list is based on beating every level on nightmare. E4M6 is the hardest level of them all because of the extra shenanigans and detours you're forced to do to successfully beat the cyberdemon.

    • @JiroTheRaptor
      @JiroTheRaptor Před 4 lety

      @@decino I feel like at that point it's an argument of preference. Whether highest impact in a single level or highest impact throughout the game is more important to you. I still find it supremely unfair that the Cybie is in the highest tier while the Spidey is in the lowest. Honestly, what was id thinking with her enemy design and encounter design?

  • @Rigohinojosa15
    @Rigohinojosa15 Před 4 lety

    The way you describe things is just too funny lol keep em coming !

  • @bemannen
    @bemannen Před 4 lety +2

    the thumbnail makes me think of pinky demon performing akuma's raging demon

  • @Shyrou00
    @Shyrou00 Před 4 lety +2

    It is almost 7 am but I couldn't wait a couple of hours to see this video, I didn't get the NiN joke tho ):

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +6

      Bethesda got rid of the NiN logo on the Switch version.

  • @TheBoxyBear
    @TheBoxyBear Před 4 lety +3

    What's the deal with Nine Inch Nails in 2019?

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +7

      Bethesda got rid of the NiN easter egg in the recent remasters.

    • @daphats56
      @daphats56 Před 4 lety +1

      @@decino oof

    • @JorgeGomez-hx5uu
      @JorgeGomez-hx5uu Před 4 lety +2

      Gay af. NiN rocks

    • @tgcv4444
      @tgcv4444 Před 4 lety +1

      @@decino That's disappointing, but not a big deal.

    • @tastychunks
      @tastychunks Před 4 lety

      @@tgcv4444 What's this, a reasonable reaction on CZcams? Blasphemy.

  • @KeklordNappa
    @KeklordNappa Před 4 lety +2

    "hey beter" - decino

  • @theo.n.u1133
    @theo.n.u1133 Před 3 lety

    As one more Doomer in the community, I must admit that I love these types of videos as yours Mr. decino, I hope this channel forges its own prosperous destiny.

  • @eliteguard225
    @eliteguard225 Před 4 lety +7

    Cyberdemon in SS just because of a single level...? This list seems biased to me.

    • @dowom1452
      @dowom1452 Před 4 lety +8

      He had the rocket launcher aimed at his head while making this video

    • @decino
      @decino  Před 4 lety +6

      If you want to beat every Ultimate Doom level on nightmare E4M6 will be the toughest map to beat. The entire strategy revolves around that pesky cyberdemon.

    • @PeterLawrenceYT
      @PeterLawrenceYT Před 4 lety +4

      That single encounter was enough to make E4M6 the last level of Ultimate Doom to ever be beaten on Nightmare. That level is HARD.

  • @ilocosmetro
    @ilocosmetro Před 4 lety +4

    I got the 666th view!

  • @whoo8252
    @whoo8252 Před 4 lety +1

    5:28
    excellent transition

  • @JoleTaris
    @JoleTaris Před 3 lety +1

    Cacodemon's cuteness makes him more deadly