Drake Maye facing STRONG CRITICISM from Merril Hoge: Is it warranted?! | Get Up
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0:00 Caleb Williams’ future
1:00 Mel Kiper Jr. Chimes in
3:15 Merril Hoge is not happy with Drake Maye?
7:30 Mock Draft 2.0 thoughts
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I don't know why analysts are so afraid to peg a player as a bust. Historically speaking, there are more busts than hits at 1st-round QB. And if you're asking who projects most as a bust in this class it has to be Maye.
Calling Merrill Hoge a "former player" is almost demeaning. For over a decade he and Jaworski were top analysts. Dude really knows his stuff.
Yeah, Brian Brohm being better than Aaron Rodgers was his shining achievement lol
Agreed. Mel Keiper has one of the worst records picking mock drafts. I'd always take Merrill Hodge's picks over Mel Keiper's.
I agreed, Very disrespectful of his former employer to identify him as such,
Merril Hoge is a former player what’s your point? He also was mediocre at best
Except with his history of QBs.
Hoge also said Burrow was the only first round QB in 2020. I don’t think we should put too much stock in his opinion of Maye.
Correct. All 4 QBs drafted in the 1st round will be getting 2nd contracts with the teams that drafted them. Meanwhile in 2021, only 1 of the 5 will get a 2nd contract with the team that drafted him and he has been an underacheiver. Two are all time busts.
As of now he still is. Herbert sucks. Tua sucks. Love is still young. #letsgoreds #gobucksbeatblue #whodey
@@BigShotMike95 clueless as usual.
@@BigShotMike95 doesn't matter what you think. All 4 will get a 2nd contract.
@@BigShotMike95you clearly don’t know football
Hodge is very often correct in his evaluations. I wouldn't just ignore him.
What has he been right about before? Honest question
Well, in that case, he said Caleb Williams is overhyped, too.
Very true.
@@justinsaiyan5587 Look up his analysis for Manziel and Jadeveon Clowney. Now granted, Clowney is in a solid situation now with Baltimore but that wasn't always the case
I mean he also said Aaron Rodgers will be a bust and the Colts should draft RG3 over Luck so I’d still take his opinion with a grain of salt.
We don’t know who is going to do well and who’s not because it depends all on the team and support the QB receives!! Certain franchises ruin good QBs
And certain QBs turn around bad franchises. Look at what Burrow, Lawrence and Stroud have done for those terrible teams. If Fields was any good, let alone the level at which you fools claim, the Bears would be much better off right now.
@@slimvickins5059 at the end of the day the system needs to help the QB . Yes certain guys help. The Bengals have burrow all the support he needed
Hoge aslo said Caleb is a mid 1st rounder
Just at the jets and been done with it lol😅
@@slimvickins5059 the nfl is all about coacing
That means the Commanders’ draft pick is Jayden Daniels let’s GO🔥
I would be happy if we get Daniels... Hail !
@@louisiana318 JaMarcus, I mean Jayden is a bust waiting to happen.
bust
It's mind-boggling how the disrespect for Micheal Penix is circulating in these circles.
Both PAC-12 QB's are being disrespected! (Penix & Nix)
Penix has an arm. thats it. the rest of his mechanics are awful. thats why he gets hurt all the time.
@@cap10yap Have you been watching this man play for the last two years
@@cap10yapyup. 2 bad knees. Old for a draft prospect. Played all bad teams.
Penix and/or Nix could have the best situation because of being passed on early round 1.
Merrill Loge is a legend. Look at his history with ESPN . He called both Vince Young and Leinart overrated not worthy of a first round pick. Everyone laughed and criticized him . He ultimately was 100 right
And he's been flat out wrong too..I mean every evaluator has been correct and wrong about prospects
Vince Young was ROTY and looked real promising his first year in the league. He didn’t fail because of lack of ability and definitely wasn’t overrated. He was the best player in his draft class his first pro season.
@@JessieDriver-pc6di Jeff fisher sabotaged that man
Brian Brohm anyone
a career is longer than one season. In the end, Hoge was correct.@@JessieDriver-pc6di
Marvin Harrison is the best pick in this draft in my opinion. Gonna be a can't miss Hall of Famer if he stays healthy.
Marvin Harrison doesn't deserve to be drafted number one no matter how great he allegedly will be. Randy Moss Terrell Owens Megatron has how SB wins again?!? Case closed. Draft a QB for a SB draft a WR to enhance ur QBs progress
@@erwa5198agree. We had Fitz, he was amazing but we also had stretches of bad quarterback play where Fitz would be getting wide open and they would just miss him. A great receiver is great to have but a top 15 quarterback is more valuable to an offense than the most elite receiver.
Mel is spot on with Josh Allen. Everyone hated him coming out of college and thought he was a completely raw prospect. Sometimes, guys develop.
It took him 3 years and working with palmer all the time to fix his delivery and accuracy. Very few QBs have been able to do that. Would rather have accuracy then arm strength any day.
Even QBs who were supposed to have great accuracy can suck horribly. See Mac Jones or Josh Rosen. @@yurky1
he is a turnover machine though lol. they wont even be near a super bowl for the rest of Allen's career. so how did that really turn out?
@@cap10yap how many QBs do you think are better than Allen besides one obvious name?
@@cap10yap they have been close the past few years. No losing to the chiefs in the championship game isn't getting close. Go back to new England or the jets and eat a Snickers while you wait for your team to do something
As a Pats fan I’m nervous. All I know is that in each draft there’s a lot of hype for a lot of QBs, but usually only 1 works out in the NFL. I don’t know who it’s going to be, but I hope we get the right guy
talent cant overcome terrible coaching
Take our (Vikings) picks, we’ll help you out of the hole
😂 Mel talks about what goes on inside NFL draft rooms without ever been employed by any NFL teams 😂😂😂😂
I think Jayden Daniels will be a big bust in the nfl, can smell it coming from a mile away
I strongly agree that's y don't want the Giants too draft him JJ better
I just don't see any difference between Drake Maye and Sam Howell.
Maye is bigger
Size and beard
Maye is hot
Maye is bigger more athletic better arm
Why does Greeny have to dominate the conversation. The debaters do not get time to speak because he asks a 10min question
Its funny. Hodge is honest and unbiased. All these tv talking heads don't want to be hated so not a single one has ever said about a top prospect. Not worth a first round pick let alone top 3.
According to kiper and the experts on how they talk about players there are about 300 hall of famers in every draft yet 4 years from now 200 of these guys will be on the verge of being out the league
I think both CW and Jayden are gonna be solid NFL QBs which most teams dont have. As far as stars history tells us you really cant predict that but they both to me have very impressive personalities and sometimes that is as big of an indicator as performance. Id be happy to get either one of those guys.
If history is accurate only one of those three QB picks will amount to anything
Well the year big ben, eli, and rivers was drafted all of them did pretty good careers
@@peterkaufman5624 Eli?! Mr. Mediocre won and lost the same amount of games! He'd have the record for losses, but was benched before he could reach that "success!"
Won 2 SB's because his D was awesome, held the undefeated Patriots to HALF their scoring average...
@escaped1534 eli was clutch stepped up in big moments, yeah he had a average career but watch those sb and say he played average in them.
Those Giants teams were good but far from great.@@peterkaufman5624
Correct!! You did your nfl draft studying. However, the odds only go lower the further down your draft. I think Jayden Daniels is QB 1a this draft
Take a look at the evaluations of Tom Brady coming out of college. Drake Maye sounds pretty good.
Drake Maye was surrounded by a wretched defense, average receivers, an abysmal offensive line, and a new OC his senior year. Mack Brown ain't what he used to be, his teams fall apart at the end of the season. He still put up stellar numbers and his junior year was sensational when he had NFL quality RB's and WR's. Watch his film. That's all. Merrill is wrong on this one IMHO. Maye on a top 10 team would have been off the charts.
I wish people would stop talking about the talent around QBs in college. It means nothing they are not looking at who you play with they are looking at what you can do. He is up and down with his accuracy, his not the great of an athlete, he does have a longer release and that has NOTHING to do with who he plays with. What Merril said was not Maye will still get drafted in the first round.
What does that have to do with missing swing passes and screens 💀 y’all kill me being emotionally tied to players when discussing them. Please just go watch one of his full games. He doesn’t look like a top draft pick to me. If you watched objectively you’d say the same thing. What jumps off tape? Nothing that isn’t common amongst D1 starting QBs
You wish people would stop talking about something that is relevant to the evaluation? Well, that is dumb. It's almost as dumb as saying Drake isn't athletic... @VvVT734
@@realspitter2727so all the scouts who do this for a living saying he IS a top draft pick are wrong? 🤦 stay casual
Junior year? Bro he is leaving college after his sophmore year
The man did host a NFL film show for quite a while. Not saying he’s the gospel but his words do hold weight.
Edit: Scratch that. He recently just said that Kenny Pickett was a “Super Bowl Quarterback” so his credibility has been relinquished.
i think he gets it right a lot more times than kiper does. lol
no one knows which QBs will work and which bust that's why busts are picked top 10 every year
Same Riddick who was down on Allen/ Herbert 😂
Who did Maye & them boys play last season? Nobody
@@Degenerates-kb6il who tf Allen played in college huh gtfo thinking college wins will automatically translate in the NFL 🤣
nearly everybody was wrong about them. The film was all there, wtf are you talking about
if Daniels was 20lbs thicker, he would go #1. But Washington remembers what they gave up, and what happened to rg3. Daniels, like rg3, will get wrecked in the nfl
Whoever goes to New England is gonna suck unless they do some big stuff in free agency and the rest of the draft
Do we have cases of Merrill Hodge being wrong? Cuz this man is usually right and folks want to always push back on his evaluations
He literally said Mahomes was going to be a bust. Lmfao idk, if anyone asked me, if Mahomes is a bust... I'd want that bust on my team
All of them are wrong sometimes he was way off on Mahomes (he was not the only one).
Maye can get better. None of his issues are unfixable
Dude doesn’t have any issues tho. Over 350 yards and three tds in those supposed “bad games” this guys full of it.
@@nalabishop402he has mechanics issues, same that Josh Allen had, Herbert too. Mahomes apparently couldn’t read a defense and run a pro offense
none of the top qbs are
@@nicknova703 Mahomes could read defenses but he needed to discipline his playstyle. He was a smarter and more physically gifted version of Johnny Manziel coming out.
MAYE THROWS PICKS, DON'T WANT HIM!!
I'll take Merrill Hoge's opinion over any of these guys, with all respect to Riddick. Hoge has a better (and proven) eye than most
"I like Brian Brohm better than Aaron Rodgers" - Merril Hoge
Also doesn't think CTE is real
Just look at his opinion of the 2020 QB class.
Maye keeps being compared to Josh Allen and Big Ben 😂
Caleb is Pat Mahomes 😭
And Jaden is Randall Cunningham 😅
And JJ is tom Brady 3.0💪🏆
Caleb is gonna have to clean up his backyard style play.
Can't miss layups in the NFL
Justin Herbert was also not a perfect prospect coming out of college… it all depends on where drake maye goes and how he develops. Same with Josh Allen, Patrick mahomes etc.
Drake Maye is a perfect prospect. Justin Herbert played for Oregon and never came close to 4000 yards. They are just trying to sabatoge him bc he’s white. He had over 350 yards and 3 tds in both those supposedly “bad games” lmao not drake Mayes fault North Carolina didn’t go undefeated lol
lmao stop this bs. Sabotaging Maye because he's white? Merril Hoge is a 60 year old white guy from Idaho, who analyses QB's regardless of race. He called Vince Young overrated and was right. Said the same for Leinart and for Manziel. He's also said he doesn't think Caleb is generational. Is he trying to sabotage Caleb too? There are no perfect prospects. Even Mahomes had doubters who had legitimate concerns; the Chiefs did a great job developing him and now he's the best there is. @@nalabishop402
@@nalabishop402 You lost all reason in your argument when you mentioned his race. This has nothing to do with race. So freaking tired about people bringing up that.
mario cristobal had a terrible oc and qb coach during herbert's senior year at oregon
so true
I jus wanna know what makes maye better than penix or even nix
Bigger faster stronger?😂is this even a real question I’m confused
Penix is is not particularly mobile due to injuries and he folds under pressure while Nix has a weak arm.
@@kylewade8704except being bigger, stronger, and faster doesn't always translate to playing sports... especially at QB.
@@skylerjohnson1192huh 😂
JJ is better
Media hyping up a bust
How are they hyping him up?…. Aren’t they bashing him?
The Texans were pressured into picking a QB and it worked out great. Per "insiders" in Houston, the organization was hugely split on CJ. The reason they traded up for Will at 3 is bc he was a guy they most all agreed on, but were told (presumably by the owner - tho this has been denied) to draft a QB. (It is alleged that those against drafting CJ wanted to await the 2024 QB class.) So, they made a move to go all in and get both CJ and Will.
Drake Maye had over 350 yards and 3 touchdowns vs both Virginia and nc state. How in the world does this bot come up with those as being questionable games?
Drake Maye had the same record at North Carolina that cw had at usc. Remind me when the last time North Carolina was known as a football school again?
Dude is the best prospect since burrow and considering how much talent that guy had around him might be even better than that.
You must be drunk. He’s trash
Before i ever heard M. Hodge take i was already telling people that D. Maye is being over hype just like Trubisky was being over hype it crazy to me how these NFL scout doesn't watch tape i seen a lot of things that will keep Mayes from being successful and who ever draft him want have him on their team after 3 years watch.
You have seen alot of things, like what? Be specific.
From SI: With formal interviews complete, we’ve got some reviews on a quarterback class that, by all accounts, was very impressive in that setting. USC’s Caleb Williams came across as very comfortable in his own skin, with command when the conversation turned to football. LSU’s Jayden Daniels was reserved, confident and smart. North Carolina’s Drake Maye might have gotten the best returns I’ve heard, coming across very much as an alpha. And Michigan’s J.J. McCarthy showed moxie and assuredness that fits his reputation as a winner. Merrill Hoge has a contrarian POV on Maye; we will see who's right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day:)
Chris Simms says the exact same as hodge, I trust those guys over Kiper
Ain’t no way the bears draft Caleb Williams & not Jayden Daniels while taking a WR Jayden played with in Malik Nabers. They already have chemistry, that’s a no brainer!
good point i didnt even think about that.
Drake Maye could suffer the same fate that Will Levis did last year in the draft
Nah he’s the most polished pro style QB in the class
Maybe it's just me but I'm not confident in any of these upcoming QBs & I feel like all of them needs to sit & wait a year.
I would curious to hear what folks said about Tom Brady coming out of college.
These dudes was saying all the great thjngs about Zach Wilson and Mac Jones. Now look what they saying. Merrill said Caleb is average too
Didn't he say Mac Jones was the best fit for Patriots?
It held.
Why is Maye any different than Mitch Trubisky or Sam Darnold???
Falcons needs a QB and Bears need a WR.
Bears need a qb. They’re getting him at #1 and they’re gonna draft a wr at #9
@@Sleezygem too obvious!
There's a reason Reddick is not in a front office anymore. If he's off on Maye, then I'm all in. He's QB1.
There’s a reason you on CZcams being a diicckkeedd out fan an RIDDECK was in the front office an was a nfl player an still getting paid to talk football 🤡
Trust Hodge, but Drake shows everything development QB should have.
Maye isn't the QB for New England. This would be a horrible pick. If Jayden Daniels is gone, Patriots take MHJ at #3, then trade up for a LT at pick 2.
What? Maye is a better fit than Daniels 😭
So, who is going to qb there , jacobi, zappe, you are nuts.
The best thing that New England could do is to upgrade the receiving core. The Pats have to make reciever the priority for their offense. I would go with Brissette and Zappe for the season. Get better at reciever. Next years draft class is just as good or better overall than this one.
A- No prospect is a finished product, thats why they are prospects.
B- The number of your draft pick is not as important than where you go. Trubisky went 2nd to Chicago, Mahomes went 10th to Kansas City AND Andy Reid! David Carr went to Houston and got destroyed, Joe Flacco went to Baltimore and got carried to a Super Bowl.
C- We've seen amazing prospects go to great situations and still have their careers destroyed. Andrew Luck & RG3 didnt last long. You don't just have to build around your quarterback, you have to maintain the team around your QB. The rosters Tom Brady played on were a constant carousel of linemen and receivers.
All the guys that Mel compared Maye to, they actually played the best college players in the country. With the exception of Josh Allen being in Wyoming. Maye doesn't even look as good as Allen did either. There's always these Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones, Trey Lance QB's that get this high praise when we get closer to the combine and they don't work out. Josh Allen is the exception. Maye doesn't look half as good as Allen did. I would not draft the kid. I hope they do though so JJ will go to my Broncos.
i dont see how anyone would wanna pick Maye over McCarthy. Been confused at the ADP for McCarthy this whole time. they were saying 3rd or 4th round for him right after the CFB playoffs
If a QB is aggressive and doesn't turn the bal often, is it skill or luck. Just curious. I don't have the answer.
Only QB I have no clue how to rank is Bo Nix because his Oregon team on both sides was solid. Only QB I rank high when protected by a solid oline is not in this draft... Shedur Sanders. He's better than this entire draft class accurate wise
I think Hodge is correct about Maye but I also think Maye will be a good QB as he just needs to go to the correct team. The patriots might be best for him tho
Like that Randall Cunningham comp
Randall C. Would blow up today’s NFL!
(On the right team 😁)
@@fredbishop9434facts
I never thought I say this Mel is absolutely 💯 right.
Drake just needs to learn the scheme and work on his mental stuff and keep his confidence high
I can see flight reacts cheering for Jayden Daniel’s
Foxworth- “decision, decision, decision, decision, decision”
What I just heard from Merrill Hoge and Mel Kiper sounds like they're saying that Drake Maye is a less-athletic Mitchell Trubisky.
I love to see Michael Penix get drafted ahead of Drake Maye
JC Latham at 5 is the first time I’ve seen in a mock draft.
Chargers fan here and I can say with 99% confidence that that will not be the pick, if they keep it. It will be Bowers/Nabers/Odunze/Alt/Fashanu and maybe even MHJ if he falls, if they stay at #5. Of course things can change, but I just don't see Latham as the pick there
If you watched young in college he was making throws like Williams
Love those 20/20 hindsight glasses that Kyper wears. Drake May will be ok because Josh Allen, and others who were criticised before him, ended up ok. May's decficits need correcting or he'll be another Josh Rosen, to name one.
Wow Kiper looks like Nixon and Kissinger combined!
Daniels is a backup qb
Just remember he said don’t draft Johnny Manziel.
And Baker Mayfield just signed $100mil contract. These clowns know nothing
He also said Herbert and Tua aren't first rounder worthy
Jayden will be the best. Remember Mahomes wasn’t the first pick.
JJ will too👍
This Draft me so much of Andrew Luck vs RG3
GM can still be fired from the roster being trash no matter your QB playing good 😂
Mayo and the Patriots will fail if they take Maye at #3. He's a bigger Mac jones .
I’ve seen all the tape he looks like josh Allen did at Wyoming
@@455zzzwhat tape are you watching?😂
@@nicknova703 lol we wouldn’t have to deal with this if the league wasn’t punishing us.. in what world does Washington have the 2nd pick and they beat us head to head lol
@@455zzzthink he’s closer to Herbert
Drake Maye has had to deal with a terrible o-line, average or below average wide receivers, very much sus defense. Now my main concern with Drake is his footwork and play by play consistency.
Mel, Randell was drafted in second round. Rocket was bigger than Daniels. Bad comp
It must mean something drake isn’t even gonna throw at the combine 😂smart man but idk because the man’s freshman year was crazy 🔥
I think the criticisms are mostly legit. All things considered this is the most overhyped quarterback draft class in NFL history.
Daniels over Maye is crazy tbh. He’s what 180 LBs soak and wet? Daniels is a great runner but he’s also an injury waiting to happen.
Maye ain't it Mel, like your predictions ain't it... 🙄
Drake maye isnt stiff hes a smooth runner
Drake Maye is a Sophomore right? If so, then I don't understand why he's leaving so early. He can give himself more time to develop these concerns in college
I came into this thinking that Maye was the best option for an NFL team that wanted a day 1 starter but the more I look into it the more I like JJ McCarthy. There's a lot to be said for winning intangibles and JJ certainly has the physical tools.
I don't know how you came to this conclusion because when i watch the tape and i watch him for the past 2 years i saw a lot of things to why he wouldn't be successful in the NFL i was telling everyone he another Trubisky who was over hype as well.
@@thronesofgaming5240 JJ mcarthy to me will be a backup in the NFL
Someone also said Jimmy Clausen would be great by year 8 and if he wasn't he'd quit. But here he is so going and Clausen was one of the biggest disappointments ever.
Mel drop the mic moment his first 10 seconds
Mel
Maye isn't Jackson, Allen, Mahomes or Burrow.
Anyone can see that
Exactly Maye hasn't shown improvement through his time at NC unlike Jackson, Mahomes Allen and Burrow through their time in College
@@user-wu1bl5ns8i💯💯watched a lot of him in college he had a great 2022 however 2023 was a huge huge disappointment look at the tape agiasnt Virginia and nc state dude was super erratic with the football he does have a ceiling but hes a risky pick i dont think hes ready to play in 2024
@@sharifs649 yeah unfortunately though most draft decisions are based on hype not on what's in front of them
Keep listening to Mel, and you'll be on the couch with me.
Merril Hoge trying to get Drake Maye drop to his Steelers LOL
Without transition these re tards be 4A or 3A high school players at best ok
So Marvin Harrison might be going to the Patriots? 😂
Maye better hopes he falls past NE & NYG those would be career ending spots to land. Both are sinking ships
Raiders would be a good fit not sure if he'll fall that far or if LV would trade up. Dome, star #1 WR good OL.
Did they just discount maye first and back half of the season and cherry picked his middle of the year stats. Dude is gone be a bust 😂
Well, Williams abysmal game against Notre Dame(20 points scored) and losing the 4th quarter to Penix(no points in 4th Q) in games which derailed USC's CFP hopes are being ignored.
@@carlfrye1566 I agree wit you I’m not a big Williams fan
Bring back Merril Hoge, why isnt he on ESPN right now full time
3 to patriots. My thoughts to.
I’m so old I remember when you could have an opinion
Listen Hodge been on point for the last few years
Meh, it's all projections anyway. Will the QB CONTINUE to develop?! Do they have a skillset that can be developed, and do they have the work ethic and maturity to continue to WORK on their game?! But, it's so funny to hear Kiper blather about coaches and GMs need to have conviction and belief....rather than playing odds and statistics....especially since he's just a talking head with no responsibility.
Jayden, Caleb, Drake, Lamar, Allen, Herbert, L-Jackson & Burrow are NOT gonna win a superbowl unless the O-Line/RBs & WRs & ELITE DEFENSE win it WITH them. Write it Down!
Agreed on Maye Hodge