Are teams OVERVALUING & OVERPAYING their star WRs? 🤔 |
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- On #Greeny, Mike Greenberg and Paul "Hembo" Hembekides debate whether some NFL teams are overvaluing and overpaying their star wide receivers after Justin Jefferson signed his new deal with the Minnesota Vikings.
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It is not a problem of paying the great ones. It is when they pay the mediocre ones too much.
Well the problem is the great ones raise the price for the mediocre ones
@brianbadonde9251 It is not the fault of the great ones. So tell me this because Rolex sells a watch for $10,000.00, would you go into a Walmart and pay $10,000.00 for a digital Casio?
@@Drew-DTM you got him with this one FR 😂😂😂
@@Drew-DTM😂 well done
example daniel jones 😂(mediocre)
Jerry Jeudy and Ridley felt like overpays, but JJ earned his no doubt
Jeudy definitely, Ridley is a top 10 wr though
@@brianbadonde9251he’s good but not top 10. Hill Adams ,Jefferson ,Kupp, Evans, lamb ,Moore,Allen, st.brown, chase, aiyuk,Higgins
Umm Jerry doesn’t even have a year with 1k yards lmaoo so what has he really “earned” as a first round WR .. it’s a reason why the Broncos let him go for almost nothing lol the Browns are known for giving dumb contracts to players & this was just another example of that lol
@@brianbadonde9251Ridley was not top 10 last season and he shouldn’t be considered top 10 this season? Why would you just place him top 10 without him earning it? Ridley was great but since his suspension he hasn’t been near top 10. Fringe top 20
@@FuturesDoubleCupI think you misread the comment? Nobody in this comment section said Jeudy deserved his contract? Original comment said it was an overpay and other person agreed it was an overpay?
Nobody besides the browns front office and jeudy’s family think it’s a good contract and was well deserved
As a true Vikings fan, I still am happy about locking him up long term. Qb on rookie contract, AMAZING weapons around the qb, and a very exciting defense that’s getting better and better. The Vikings were smart with their money the past couple seasons to keep this contract from crippling us.
Justin Jefferson is amazing and changes the defenses and schemes that he faces. He helps the locker room and is a true leader.
Even though the Vikings could have gotten so much for him, I think this was a good move. It’s not crippling the team….and honestly it helps the moral of the entire locker room.
Let Kwesi cook 🔥
Jj worth every penny
yes WRs matter. Take a look at TO went to the Eagles went straight to the Superbowl. Josh Allen gets Diggs and all of a sudden he's a top 5 QB. Top flight WRs help young rookie QBs grow faster and they take your avg mediocre QB to above average. Also if its so easy why can't the Giants hit on WR in the draft.
Diggs doesn't and hasn't made any QB better GMAFB🤦♂️
@@rustinpeace9303 Josh Allen didn’t become a superstar until he got Diggs so now this season coming up will prove if he’s truly a superstar QB or a product of having a star receiver
you can say the same to great running backs but they still dont like to pay him. At the end of the day every offense is only as good as the o-line. If your o-line is bad your running back will struggle to get yards and you receiver doesn't have the time to run the route before the qb has to throw the ball or take a sack
Giants are just an incompetent team.
If you not paying your qb you can do things like this and he will make his rookie qb look a lot better
Did I just hear bro say YES to Jameson Williams 🤦♂️
Yea he off his noodle. Jameson Williams hasn’t had any production yet. Two years of missed games off ACL tear and then suspension lol
You’re asking the wrong question Greeny. Is he more valuable than every non QB? More than N Bosa who he just jumped for highest paid non QB? More valuable than the best LT’s that protect the highest paid player on the team? There’s a reason the chiefs traded T Hill and went after Trent Williams a few years ago. The answer is NO. He should be the highest paid WR but not the highest paid non QB.
Doesn’t make sense. When you have a generational Running Back now the argument is to not pay them big money because you can replace them in the draft. But when is comes to Wide Receiver, you should pay them even though the evidence shows that doesn’t lead to winning superbowls? Now adays its easier to find a elite WR then RB
Pay them. Not every team has a top QB. If they are the face of your franchise, pay them. They bring in fans and the market. That’s part of the business.
That's good for the owner's pocket and fans who never want to win a SB.
Greeny just needed a video to make .. Justin clearly is worth every penny
His whole point went over your head and the guys he was talking to
Top end WR’s are not overpaid. Top 20-40 WR’s getting big contracts are the ones overpaid
Greeny just casually moving the goal post throughout the whole video lol
JJ is generationally great
It absolutely is a problem of overpaying even the greatest of the GREAT, because TEAMS win Championships, not ONE person. So yes, teams are way overvaluing and overpaying not just their WRs, but other positions as well. Too bad the society at large still doesn't get that.
Good conversation
There are no problems.
JJ is historically elite
QB, Edge and Wide receiver are the most valuable positions in the NFL. Pay a premium and find value else where.
no, o-line is much more important than WR. How many team won the super bowl with a bad o-line? I cant remember of one since i started watching the NFL. But there are a lot of teams without premium receiver who won the Superbowl (Chiefs 2024 and 2023, patriots 2019, eagles 2018 etc.) All these teams had great o-lines but no top 10-20 recievers.
Depends on what the team's situation is. Im all in for JJ's contract with Mccarthy on a rookie deal.
Except when Mccarthy doesn't work out in 2 years because they reached and got desperate for a game manager QB who relied on his running game and defense in college . Then you're stuck
@@brianbadonde9251 Tom Brady was also a game manager and then became the goat. I guess you're just a hater. Im not saying Mccarthy's gonna be a stud 100% but given the circumstances in which he fell into I'd say he has more chances to having success than failures.
@@maximerheault8349Brady is an outlier, not the norm
@@saidufofanah2210 the thing about outliers is that there is usually more than one.
@@brianbadonde9251 Except Mccarthy wasn't a game manager and Michigan's pass game was ahead of their run game for most of the year. For the majority of the season Michigan's run game was not up to their usual standards in fact they only had a 100 yard rusher in 3 out of their 15 games. Corum only averaged 4.6 ypc and Edwards before the natty only 3.7 ypc. It was JJ bailing them out on third and long to move the chains for a good chunk of their offense. And game manager's don't make the type of plays that Mccarthy made, Cade Mcnamara, Shea Patterson and Jake Rudock were game managers at Michigan under Harbaugh, JJ was not a game manager, he was a playmaker.
Having the best WR doesn’t help win superbowls.
I still look back to the jags Kirk's deal like 🤨
Kirk is REALLY good though...got hurt last year but 2022 dude was tremendous..he will have another big year this year if he stays healthy
Um, you might want to fix that thumbnail. It’s “overpaid,” not “overpayed.” Just FYI.
Who would you rather have on your team? Jefferson, N Bosa, TJ Watt, M Parsons, or any great left tackles? Let’s not forget why Jefferson was even on the Vikings. They traded Diggs and then drafted him. It’s not about the player it’s about the position. QB is the highest paid and most important so the next most important and should be highest paid are the position that protects and attracts the QB.
Watt
@@kb9826 ya I’m a niners fan and we already have Bosa so I would definitely rather have him or Watt. I’d probably take Parsons too but as a niners fan I can’t stand cowboys lol.
Greeny off some rocks today😂😂😂
Yeah paying A wide receiver is not worth it if you want to go to the Super Bowl but Jefferson is THE WR
Jefferson and overpaid don’t go together in the same sentence
It works for Minnesota and Jefferson. He is a superstar and a leader for the team. Minnesota is not paying a qb right now. By the time this contract is done, it will be time to pay the McCarthy and Turner.
Justin Jefferson is absolutely worth the money but Hembo saying he’s worth 20 million more than Tee Higgins after tee one down yr with an injury is INSANE
Jefferson is worth wayy more than Higgins. Higgins is so overrated. Hes not a true WR1
Justin has a injury year too still had 1k it’s a big gap between the 2😂
When you don’t have a top flight QB, it’s ok to pay your WR
No, you'll have to pay a QB eventually
What’s the point if you don’t have a qb to throw it to him
@@chaytiano6896JJ McCarthy will get him the ball just like Kirk did. It’s not hard lmao
@@brianbadonde9251yes, he’s on a 4 year deal and so is the Qb by the time the qb is getting paid Jjettas contract will be expiring and by then you’d hope the QB has developed into a franchise QB because of Jjettas and other pieces so you pay to develop the QB also not just paying big to pay yall don’t realize
Greeny is speaking facts. To his point YES give me st brown, nico, Dj moore. And being able to pay for good oline/ defense
this is the question i have What was the percentage of the cap the first 20 mil wr used up and what percentage does JJ take?
well when you’re spending dirt on a rookie qb contract, by the time jj’s contract is up (hopefully with a ring somewhere in there) you either have a good qb looking for another contract or your heir apparent wr in the building or you’re drafting one. the numbers work out oddly enough.
the bengals, dolphins and eagles are not in this position 😂😂
I think the better question is why are contracts for high levels players having any effect on the mid level players. In baseball, we got this right. Mike trout and ohtani got double the money of basically everyone else and rightfully so
I'm a Lions fan, and I can tell ya that our offense without St Brown wouldn't be half as good
The only reason Jefferson got that much was they aren't paying the quarterback. Any other team with a quarterback making big money, it would be stupid to pay a wide receiver that much.
Vikes had kirk at qb and what's the Montra with him and prime time games? Dude is 35 with 1 playoff win and 3 mnf and snf wins.. if it's noon he's good.
Shelling out for a WR is usually not worth it. Example: Vikings letting Diggs walk.
JJ is worth it because 1) he is just different. 2) they have a rookie QB so they can afford him. 3) they want to put their rookie QB in the best possible position to be successful.
DEEBO
AJ
KUPP
TYREEK
ALL MADE A LOT OF MONEY WHILE BEING IN THE SUPER BOWL
Incoming: all the madden GM’s from their moms basement saying recievers are worth 30+ million
We need to pay by the player not by the position. It’s super unfair even if it isn’t a ton of guys who can do it.
I think the big problem is going to come when every decent player on a team will want these huge contracts because make no mistake not only is JJ's contract raising the bar for wide receivers but it's also raising the bar for every other player on the team.. te will want more..corners will want more etc etc.. especially since they have started using the term "highest paid non quarterback" bc that includes everyone on the team besides a QB and All players will start using that to their advantage in negotiations
I 100% agree with greeny…I was just thinking about the same thing !
First off, they are overvaluing EVERYBODY!!! Back in the day, just because you was a positional player didn't guarantee just cause it was your turn that you was gonna break the bank. There have only been a handful of players at their position who are worth the contract they have.
This only works when you don’t have a qb to pay. If they had a top 8-10 qb that demands a decent contract I don’t think he gets that contract which I personally think is why they let Kirk walk, they couldn’t afford him
It’s only a 4 year deal
On rare occasions an average QB becomes a star in this league because of his recievers. I think that jefferson may be that wr to elevate darnold/McCarthy to that level
"Overpayed" is crazy😂
Getting a really good safety??? They had 3 safeties rated in the Top 32????
He threw positions out there and he was speaking in general terms for all teams.
We just got rid of the fraud that is cousins. Signed a young qb with upside. Who’s under rookie contract as well as Addison. Signed Aaron jones for 7 mil. Got a bridge qb. And got 3 key pieces in return for hunter. Where did we lose. And we just secured the best wr1 for 4 years.
Agree 100% on Cousin's, he keeps fleecing dumb GM's somehow. However, there's a 50\50 chance your rookie QB will be a good to great QB in the NFL and you have a receiver who is being wasted.
I agree.
It's not a yes or no conversation, the roster matters. The Vikings specific roster includes a rookie QB that you are set to start, that allows you to put more money into a WR. The Bucs had an aging vet QB that didn't command a crazy amount so having great WR corps worked, plus one of those star WRs was not getting big money yet. The Rams won with a big time WR who wasn't getting paid crazy yet. So the idea that the Chiefs won without receivers is a really misguided notion because they are the only team with Mahomes. There is no one way to win even though that's what the media turns it into every year after seeing who won the championship.
Great show guys
I agree with greeny. Im not paying no wr alot of money except tyreek hill. Hill literally makes a team defend u different
JJ is worth every penny. And he has earned it.
What they aren't discussing is the message that sends to the other guys in the locker room. How do you think that all the other receivers/players are going to feel and play knowing if they ball too hard they'll get canned
You're not staying consistent...
Just because a QB isn't as good as Patrick Mahones doesn't mean he can't demand almost the same amount. There are so many more really productive WRs than QBs. So it would make sense to pay more WR and less QBs.
Smart businesses pay for PRODUCTION not scarcity.
Eagles fan here still traumatized by the Jalen Reagor pick.
Im with the guy making the argument that you don't need to pay a hall of fame WR tons of money. I am a cowboy fan (sadly haha) and I don't think paying CeeDee lamb 35 million will solve our problems. I'd let him and Dak play this season out and let's see where we go with this combo. I'd pay Micah for sure, we got Diggs who is FIRE, I'd get Bland paid and give Lance a shot this year if we are sucking or next year and draft a WR in the second round and a QB in the first so we enter the cycle to find a generational talent. The cowboys haven't drafted a QB in the first since Troy Aikman. I don't care if we go 3-15 for 3 years if that means we get chances at hitting with a QB in the first round.
Now, that is an extreme I do believe we will be able to get good play out of Lance because of his mobility, we have Ferguson who is a BEAST and we also have other WRs that will be potentially good. If not, let's sign someone like Tee Higgins that will become available. So NO I don't think we need to pay 35 million to CeeDee Lamb. I'd be okay if he walks.
It's interesting how this narrative has come out once JJets signed his new contract. People thought he was unhappy and maybe traded.
That guy cam was on it!
Nah the AJ brown trade didn’t kill the titans, overpaying for other players, namely dehop, is what killed them
I understand Greeny but here is a couple of things he doesn't get. With the Titians and AJ Brown he when he left. One Brown kept the Titians offense balance. The playaction works when you have a WR that is a threat downfield. Two in the case of JJ he was drafted by Vikings, so it shows that if perform like he did you will get paid as such. This helps the enegry in the locker room. It's hard to see someone work hard and get told no to a raise when you proves you earned one.
And yes I understand the pay scale is way different but the theory is still the same.
The Titans never went far because Tannehill sucks, just like Cousin's sucks and the reason the Vikings never went far with him. What do the two team's have in common? Two sucking QB's and 2 very good WR's. Which means without a good to great QB you're not winning a SB.
Easy way to look at it, would you rather pay Goff, Murray, Watson or Cousins their current AAV who are each in the top 10 highest paid QBs or would you rather pay for JJ new AAV?
But the only RB that can get a contract is C. McCaffery 🤔
And still makes 15 mil less than JJ
Because he is the best RB\WR in the league and can do things all the rest do not, or not as well as he does. With that said, I think he's over paid, along with the top 8 QB's, JJ, Bosa and many other player's but that is what the market allows so it's the owner's & GM's fault for paying it.
Yes. There are too many of them coming through to pay them this closely to QBs. Outside of Jefferson, Hill and Chase - they should be paid much less.
I think cam is telling Greeny but greeny not listening. Titans don’t make it that far without aj brown! Facts! Listen up green man you might learn something
If any position is overpaid it’s QBs
In my opinion JJ has put up numbers but a great WR, even if you consider him the best in the league. Doesn’t win Super bowls normally. He’s going to play that contract out with the Vikings not being contenders.
Only 2 Wr are worth 2x than others or however yall put it... however there are 3-4 that are just under that. Everyone else should be paid a decent amount less
Nag nag nag on the special players. Might as well pay Kirk Cousin $5M more! This makes a ton of sense.
Cousins won 1 playoff game with Minnesota.
Many are over valued and over paid. A rare few are well deserving of it. However, we have to keep in mind that they have been under paid for the first 3 or 4 years of their careers. Sometimes even for a 5th year.
What’s happening to RBs these past years will happen to WRs bc the WRs that are coming out of college already NFL ready. The top 5 or 10 WR will get their money but the other ones teams will move off them.
Tee Higgins will be the first victim of this. Bengals drafted Jermaine Burton they are gonna offer the tag to Tee and then let him go.
Did not know that Greeny and "Hembo" have a show together...and it's as bad as I never imagined it
I wondered who that doofus was sitting next to Greeny?
Its dumb to pay one without a great quarterback
Shut down corner more valuable than edge rusher??? Get this guy off the mic lol. Shut down corner has quickly been exposed as one of the LEAST valuable premium pieces. Look how many teams have a shut down corner and the defense still gets cooked. 2024 passing schemes make four very good players in the secondary more valuable than one elite person and three decent ones.
Greeny really be dumb sometimes 😂
He asking the questions to get conversation going
Vikings are in a good position to pay Justin Jefferson. If JJ Mccarthy works out fine, they still got 5 yrs to pay him that big contract.
Insane money to spend on a player who may touch the ball less than a dozen times per game.
But players like JJ and Chase account for at least two players on the defense every play.
Ya JJ, CD, Hill, are all worth twice as much as Christian McCaffrey? GTFOH with that garbage! I'm not even watching the rest of this ridiculousness!
It’s the way the market is. This is why you’re not a GM
This is why the top teams that aren’t overpaying for WR keep winning. Chefs, 9ers, Bengals, Ravens, Bills
I wonder how Green feels about the Aaron Rodgers contract then🙄😒
If Jefferson never gets hurt, then this question is never asked.
Wide receivers are drastically over paid. I would argue that the main reason why running backs, do not get paid.
A running back could have four straight seasons of 1000 Total yards and still not be able to sniff
10 mil a year 🤓
In a year or 2 when JJ probably has gotten 2k to 4k yards his contract will be a steal and I'm not a Vikings fan lol..I wish the ravens had jj
I’ve been saying this for years
Why you think the Chiefs let tyreek walk?🤔 they’ve won back to back Super Bowls since, and loading up for a 3rd in a row….
Just because you are next doesnt mean you get more... the best should be paid more than lesser talent
Not the stars, no, it's the WR2s and especially those pretending to be 1s that are messing up the numbers a bit
CeeDee Lamb has earned top money. Tee Higgins and Brabdon Aiyuk have not earned the right to receive that type of money yet. They're in that $20 to $25 million a year area. Tag them, or let them play out this year and if someone is stupid enough to paid them top money after this year, let them go for it.
It’s a passing league so yes the QBs and WRs are going to demand premium top of the market value
This guy greeny is talking to is out of his mind, for a year or 2 until JJ gets his legs under him in the NFL Jefferson's numbers are not going to be what they hve been. I agree whole heartly with Greeny I'm a Cincy fan and I love Jamar Chase howeve I do believe that the team would be better off with 2 Tee Higgins level wide outs for nearly the same amount of money that they are going to sign Chase for. I don't believe that Chase or Jefferson or any receiver is worth 20 million or so more than other pro bowl level receivers
He clearly don’t understand what’s he’s taking about where paying JJ because our future QB is on a rookie contract that’s why ….over paying for A QB is worst I’ll pay JJ than Kirk
Have they forgotten about guys like davante adams when talking top 5, give davante over any wr except maybe Justin Jefferson
I mean OBVIOUSLY they’re overpaying them. But they also kinda have to with where the league is.
Greeny tryna look at it from a team/coaching perspective but you gotta look at this stuff from a business perspective becus that’s what it really is JJ is tha most marketable player on tha Vikings even w/ Kirk Cousins there he’s been in commercials n im sure he’s made that franchise a lot of money since he’s been there from jersey sales & ppl coming to games just to watch him of course you pay him that money you would be dumb not to
Are we expecting JJ McCarthy to throw the ball to Jefferson on the same level Kirk cousins did or at the same level Kirk cousins did I think not
Greeny being facetious on this one
i mean look at the cheifs recievers room, i think any trio of receivers and the cheifs still find a way to get back to the bowl, people are definitely over valuing receivers. What you need to do is get a quarterback in this league. otherwise you’re not having a chance and that’s clearly been the case the last decade competent coach and front office and a really good quarterback any team set up for success at that point
Jameson Williams 😂😂
You pay them. Look at the titans after AJ brown. They thought they could easily replace AJ and have have bottom tier offenses ever since. If you don’t have Patrick mahomes you can’t win with middle of the pack receivers. You can TRY to replace good ones, but all draft picks are question marks.
7:53 all those numbers mean nothing. Puka nacua was the best receiver out of that draft.😂😂
They weren't winning a ton of playoff games not spending at WR Greeny, seems like a nonissue.
Every player he named was a top 13 pick wym they were picked in the 20s. Dude is flat out lying.
Stop pocket watching
What Greeny doens't understand is, good isn't good enough. You know who's good, Garrett Wilson, but he's no JJ. You could easily argue that Jordan Addison is better than Wilson. Be it statistics and/or eye testing game impact. Yeah, those kind of guys are easier to find. The difference is, it's EASY to walk away from the Wilsons and Addisons, you can't walk away from JJ. As good as Tyreek is, his game is 90% speed, you can find speedsters every year. They literally won without him. Most of that due to QB play but the Chiefs weren't struggling on offense. Unless you have a Maholmes, you're better off keeping your talent than to let them go and replace them with less talent given what they've already done. Now realistically, how many Maholmes are there in the league, how many players are at his level. Yeah, I'd keep my talent until I find myself a Maholmes. Why do you think bad teams stay bad.