Origins of the Irish (Prof James P Mallory)
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- I will highlight and discuss further some of the major points of my Origins of the Irish, especially on how recent ancient DNA evidence impacts on both archaeological and linguistic models for the spread of a Celtic language to Ireland and the emergence of an Irish “identity”. While the new genetic evidence has provided major support for some traditional theories of Irish origins, it has also thrown up some major problems in our understanding of what happened in prehistoric Ireland.
This lecture was presented at Genetic Genealogy Ireland 2018 Belfast. Please note that these GGI videos are copyrighted to the presenter and should only be used for personal study. They are not to be used for any other purpose without the presenter's express permission. Also, please note that because this is a rapidly advancing field, the content may quickly become outdated.
The lectures were sponsored by FamilyTreeDNA (at www.ftdna.com) and organised by Maurice Gleeson, Education Ambassador, ISOGG (International Society of Genetic Genealogy at www.isogg.org). ISOGG volunteers provided free DNA advice and support for members of the public at the conference. - Věda a technologie
I like how readily the professor is willing to change his ideas based on new data without totally buying into any one narrative. Open mindedness is so admirable.
Fantastic. Enjoyed this erudite, professional and indeed excellently witty presentation. Here's a man who is more than happy to completely revise his previous postulations based on the new evidence.... and with enough humility to make one want to read his books. Thankfully, I have my hard copy (2013) edition of Origins of the Irish. I now feel compelled to get the paperback update, to read that extra 4,000 words! Delighted to see this presentation on CZcams and accessible to those fascinated by Irish history and prehistory.
Well said -
What the 4500 words were he gets too day why he was entirely wrong 🤔 🤣🤣🤣 go ahead sounds like you need too👍
phonecians was us as well as other fictional made up sea peoples that dont fit into brit wishable histories, sorry lads, but rome was only a pinnacle of inhumanity thats all. aye tuatha, your dead on their mate
Is it actually worth getting? Or just same as what's contained here?
I had just finished Origins of the Irish when this lecture was published. The lecture was an enjoyable postscript. It is refreshing to hear Science spoken eloquently in the age of faux news. Do not give up on the Tuatha de Dannan or the aboriginal Formoraigh. Somebody left the monuments, named the mountains, and carried the ogam from wood to stone.
lost Scythians.
no connection to Arabia or israelites.
@@gullybull5568 or creations of artists...
Robert Sepher makes excellent videos and Authored several books. Check him out.
Really, really brilliant lecture! I was lucky enough to see a shortened version of this same talk at Trinity College Dublin on the 9th October, 2018. And I'm glad to say I got to talk to Jim Mallory in person after the event. Great guy!
Superb talk by Prof Mallory, informative, witty and shedding new light on the origins of the Irish
Looking forward to every forthcoming edition of Prof. Mallory's book! Great lecture. As mentioned by others befoe me: science is the ability to change theory when data etc change. That's integrity!
Some societies as Celt Irish and many Native American tribes were not dedicated to total conquest but successful raiding as a proof of status and manhood. I have read that the medieval Irish took decades to realize they were being systematically conquered by the Norman English as well as the slow realization by the Native. Americans of European goals. Of course I am speculating but this seems to me a reasonable alternative to offer. I greatly appreciate your erudition and honesty. Thank you for your presentation.
Really enjoyed, thank you!
The origins of the Irish 2060/ eastern europe/Africa and Asian.....Thank you to successive irish governments....your the best!
The distinction between, "population spread," and, "population increase," (10:40) is very interesting. If one holds that population increased because farmers were able to support more people one would have to consider if hunter gatherers changed their lifestyles on the occassion of observing the easier time farmers made of it, or if farmers simplistically shuntered people along with successive generations.
I am so pleased that Gaelic was protected and brought through to modern era, it pains me that it was not available for me to learn nor to practice. My 2nd language is a weak Spanish but it offers some of another connection to History and even to Ireland.
Ireland, My Home of lineage if not of birth. With the correct frequency, perhaps in the near future, it will be my Home of Residence.
Beth
Chicago born, USA. 🍀🇺🇸🍀
Kerry and Cork Lineage
The Duolingo app has Irish lessons, it’s a free app
Bridgeport south side irish.
Have you read Frank Delany's book called "Ireland" within which is a chapter called "The Architect of Newgrange" based
on folk tales passed down for some 6000 years. It describes the huge mound, which this Architect created with the help of the people who lived there. Thought you might enjoy this.
The Annals of the 4 Masters mentions a series of about 3 plagues that wiped out most of the Irish population shortly before the Miletian invasion. There is mention of groups of Tathua Du Dinaan who survived these misfortunes but not others. Could this be a factor? If the Surviving Irish Men mostly died in battle because of their already reduced population?
Very well done mate. You`ve sold me your book
Excellent
Huge Mallory fan here. Wish I could hear him.
We can get a hint at what happened around 2500 BCE by looking at other parts of the world. In Egypt, the Old Kingdom collapsed when the Nile dried up. Maybe a global drought?
In regard to the two major Indo-European language dispersal theories discussedl could it not have been a combination of both?
If the AHH theory acknowledges that there were two dispersal events, one being the southern route and the second being the overland route through Europe, could not the overland route through Europe AHH event been influenced by the expanding horse cultures from the steppes as they also pushed westward?
I am a history buff always have been. Thank you for this article and keep up the good work! 😁😳💋
That was an excellent lecture and a very honest lecturer with a desire for truth over dogma.
I am Irish.I was born in Ireland.I live in Ireland.My name is Daniel Scott.You would think that was a Scottish name?Infact, scott,means "Irish name" weird or what?
Daniel, Scot meant Gaelic speaker, hence the Scottish Borders name, "Scott", from the Roman name for Gaels who had settled in the area close to Hadrian's Wall, or thereabouts, the "Scotti". Although you're Irish, your forebears likely came across from Scotland. At one time Scots and Irish would have spoken Gaelic and indeed, were regarded as one people in ancient times.
@@22grena let's take a step back and look at this question from what we actually know. What we need to do is get rid of modern notions of Scottishness and Irishness and the prejudices which appertain to both terms.
We don't know what early speakers of Gaelic called themselves; it's believed the term Gaidheal is derived from a derogatory Cumbric term, "Gwyddel", meaning "woodland dwellers" /"wild people". The earliest forms of Celtic language appear in Phoenecian script on tablets found in south West Spain. Given the settlement of Atlantic Culture peoples, post-Younger Drias, it is surmised that what is now called Gaelic, incubated in the western half of what is now called Britain (itself a Celtic word, "Prydynn", cognate with Gaelic, "Cruithne", "painted folk", or "Pict".), including Wales, Scotland and Cornwall, as well as Ireland. Gaelic would later be supplanted in all these countries except Ireland, although in Ireland, Brythonic was spoken in some regions, albeit temporarily (The Brigantes and Cruithne, Brythonic-speaking peoples, were settled in Leinster and Ulster.). Gaelic's spread waxed and waned, over the centuries, and you're right in one respect, it's return to "Scotland" was the direct result of sustained resettlement from Ulster.
The name Scott is a Scottish Borders name and was described by Prof WJ Watson as likely having derived from Gaelic speaking settlers arriving in that area during Roman occupation.
I'm not trying to rewrite history. Historical understanding has moved on, largely due to genetics; the "Irish" and the "Scots" being almost identical in that regard. The current genetic distribution in Scotland and Ireland derives from a period before either modern political entity existed; when we were one people. Incidentally, Ireland derives it's name from just one tribe in present Cos. Cork and Kerry, the Iverni (Èrainn), but you likely know that. Did they speak Gaelic? Who knows?
Cute share -
CinntSaile We need more prejudices nowadays
The Romans called the Irish the Scoti at that time they also extended their lands to what is now known as scotland
Thanks, I got the chance to witness the Gaelic language and could reflect on some words now i know? 💝
You're fake Irish.
@56:54 that cross looking symbol on the bottom left hand of the book does anyone know what that is?
Jerusalem Cross
I am of Royal King blood ....the U'Neill Dynasty 👑 ....I know who I am now based on my gene 🧬 tests
😂😂
So do the Chinese who bought your records.
@@keithandersonbrady5026 love your last name
Oa as well am o' Royal blood extraction : the MAGUIRE dynasty, kings of Fermanagh, chased by the bloody English protestant invasion to France.
They got those titles by murdering my family and even stealing our history and clam it for themselves
4:45 Thank you for making this point! This is closely related to the misappropriation of King Arthur, who would have hated the English had they (or indeed he) existed in his time.
Stonehenge has nothing to do with King Arthur or the Celts, let alone the English.
It was probably built by the beaker people long before the Celts arrived. The celts actualy drove them out and replaced them. However, if King Arthur did exist he was a probably a Romanised Celt and as the English are descended from them, he would not have hated his descendants. That's only what anti English racist like you do.
@@johnbrereton5229 almost everything you said is totally wrong. Stonehenge dates to before the bell beaker invasion. Celts didn’t really replace beakers either, it was mostly a linguistic change- not a genetic one. Finally King Arthur was welsh…
@@esiv9648
You brazenly claim my factually correct post is all wrong, and then write a comment all based on romantic fiction.
@@esiv9648 When was Wales invented ?
In humans, the men present themselves and the women decide. If all the guys you used to date are dying off or have versions of the plague causing permanent damage to them, you might be more interested in the merchants that have all the money.
Or the men were killed off and these aggressive new comers took the women for themselves. Chimpanzees basically act like that, and they are some of our closest relatives.
@@andersschmich8600 we do not come from chimps. Thats false. 97 percent shared dna but we share around 90 percent dna with the tattie. Means nothing darwin was wrong.
What happened to the local men with the Beaker invasion? Was there a surplus of local women and a surplus of Beaker men, resulting in local men simply "bred out?"
I am R-M153 a subclade of M269 that is very rare and specific mostly to Gascons; that said, I match Rathlin1 which seems to indicate that my ancestors came through Northern Ireland
Note: Pestis is a bacterium, not a virus.
82% Irish from the West Iveragh peninsula in Kerry, 9% Eastern Europe
and Russian, 6% Baltic and only 3% England, Wales and Northwestern
Europe. Everyone on both sides of my family was Irish marrying Irish.
The vast majority came from Kerry. The Aglish, Firies and Castleisland
area of Kerry. I wonder where the Baltic and Russian came from? I don't
think Celtic Dna came from that area or I might be mistaken.
Have you looked at photos of Russian Udmurts?
The formori migrated to Ireland a river that is similar name is found in Sweden they May have been proto Finnish. .
look at your cephalic index and compare it with Russians , and you will see if you belong to that people
Would Trade not change the languages too, you had the Phoenicians trading and the spoke an “Aryan/Indo European” language before they moved to Semitic, why did that change happen? We just need to look around us for similar examples.
The Rhins Ranger yes, but genetics of native Irish now show a sudden arrival of a race that replaced the Neolithic population. Until 6 years ago it was thought an advantageous culture made the celts culture dominant in Ireland, now probable, just as described in our ancient texts, it was an invasion and we Irish are indeed descendent from these people who arrived here from Central Europe
I'm going to have to come back and study this more. We need to build a much stronger model of how and why language change happens and how those changes are transmitted. We need to look at how different registers and classes of words are used in different domains. I think we need to move on from the phylogenetic tree model to something more like a nodal network, so rather than looking for 'homelands', we're looking at domains as nodes in space and time of a constantly evolving cultural phenomenon. I wonder if the apparent similarities between Irish and Gaulish are because we are looking at words that came from a relatively static domain.
When it comes to the 'homeland' question I like Barry Cunliffe's ideas, unfortunately his understanding of linguistics is limited. If we can demonstrate that language isn't genetically hard-wired then any Celtic invasion doesn't necessarily require the input of new genetic material, it simply requires a culture which was seen as aspirational at the time. This model could also explain the adoption of IE languages by the ancient Anatolians. Small populations would be much less pressured about space and resources compared with modern times; war and genocide would not have been necessary.
The data strongly suggests the incoming Yamna culture, most likely as traders initially, introduced bubonic plague to which they had resistance (see my replies in earlier comments below). To explain the survival of female specific DNA groups we can take Cuba as a more recent proxy. From a study of Cuban DNA see the reference to NO surviving Y-chromosone from the indigenous population:
"The Native American contribution to present-day Cubans
accounted for 33% of the maternal lineages, whereas Africa
and Eurasia contributed 45% and 22% of the lineages,
respectively. This Native American substrate in Cuba cannot be
traced back to a single origin within the American continent, as
previously suggested by ancient DNA analyses. Strikingly, no Native
American lineages were found for the Y-chromosome, for which the
Eurasian and African contributions were around 80% and 20%,
respectively"
Original paper here: consortia.si.edu/sites/default/files/Cuba%20MtDNA%20Study_0.pdf
The link to your interesting paper cannot be reached. Can you provide alternative link?
Try here: bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1471-2148-8-213
I loved watching but I need to make one small point. Using modern English comparisons at 47:00 seems sloppy. Imo a better comparison would be with Old English since all the other 3 inscriptions/languages are ancient. We then get closer relationships such as gen/kin eqo/eoh, battini/bilewitig, magli/mightig, trennus/tru (strong). King/Cyninge is a local development in English but the Franks used Rex similar to Rig/Rix. Poetry, noble, force, battle, family, stupid and point are all recent French loan words into English, so it is French, not English, which is being compared there. To put it simply, there is a closer relationship between Old English and Old Celtic than this small part of the talk suggests.
The Tribes came over the Caucus Mountains after being taken captive by the Assyrian Empire
Comparing languages: Doesn't it make more sense to compare core vocabulary to look for commonly used words that are not likely to change over time within a particular language? Consider Gàidhlig and Gaoluinn. Even if one believes the Dál Riata invasion story, those languages are separated by at least 1500 years yet, their core vocabularies - the names for man, wife, son, daughter, father, mother, cow, dog, sit, stand, whisk(e)y, etc. - are almost exactly the same.
Titanic quarter is in UK northern Ireland
That last comment - are you suggesting Niall lived around 100 BCE?
I think the Basque not all spread to Ireland . Ireland have a lot of neg blood which Basque are and Spain and the French are not.
purportedly all european ruling class are rh negative lol... do you believe that, because i dont lol
@@kerilyndesiree6188 Its true tho
Correction, Stonehenge was reconstructed between 1900s & the 1050s, there many photos showing the cranes errecting these stones during that period, paintings of the site before this period only show a few standing stones.
Did I see a painting of Stonehenge somewhere when it was just a pile of stones.
They discovered Lucky Charms. So magically delicious.
O' Lalour
PICTISCH ORIGIN ?
from "HISTORY 0F THE QUEEN'S COUNTY. "
page. 88
The author of the "Duan Eireannach" mentions, among other descendants of "Ir," those seven septs who inhabited Leix, or "Laigse of Leinster." According to a note, by the editor of the poem, this tribe comprised the seven septs, bearing this name, which agreeably to tradition, after the establishinent of surnames, were denorninated the O'Mores or O'Moores, O'KeIlys, O'Lalors, O'Devoys, or O'Deevys, Mac Evoys, O'Dorans, and O'Dowlings. Their descendants are still very numerous in and adjoining the Queen's county. Their heptipartite condition is thought to form a strong proof, establishing their Pictish origin. This is likewise affirmed, by a paragrah in the Book of Lecan. This account enumerates " the seven Laighsi " among " the Cruithnians of En, " who are synonymous with the Picts. Some writers believe, that these people retained their appellation of Picts, hecause they continued a practice which had originally caused their race to be known by such name. A continuance of painting their bodies probably distinguished them from other tribes of Ce1tic race.
Homepage : ol-Lalours.htm
I can see the similarities of the Sardinian women's features to my father's darker complexion and brown eyes. A few of my sisters whose DNA so far is estimated to be 100% Irish according to ancestry have the darker features. My features and a few other sister's have some of my mother's lighter features and are more neutral with light brown/dark blonde hair and green/blue eyes. My DNA is 99% Irish and 1% Scottish, a couple of us have 3 or 4% Scottish DNA (according to ancestry estimates). Yea, there are ten of us 😊. We're in the U.S., but my father's family, as far back as I know came from the southern counties like Kerry/Limerick and my mother's family, as far back as I know came from more central counties. My maternal grandfather from County Galway (he's the only one who spoke Irish of my grandparents and had to learn English) and maternal grandmother from County Down. They all met and married Irish Catholics in the U.S. though. The Sardinian woman actually looks a lot like one of my sisters. My mother would say my father was black Irish, and say he was more Middle Eastern. I guess she was close after all, although it's Near Eastern not Middle Eastern. Great information, I'll have to try to get the book!
Really cool! I had no idea that Bernie Sanders was knowledgeable/interested in the origins of the Irish.
Discusing the origins of a people from their langauge type is a good start, but what about the origins of a people from their symbols of a proto (written) language or perhaps symbols used in magic/shaman - czcams.com/video/Bn8aBZKfzMY/video.html
The picture of Niall of the Nine Hostages shows a chariot which unfortunately are not supported by the archeological record. There is substantial evidence of Chariots in Britain which suggests that in the absence of Chariots in Ireland that the Ulster Cycle with its mention of Chariots, happened in Britain.
The idea of a lack or horse burials and chariot burials comes from one dodgy archeologist. He had a point to prove. The republic of Ireland has hundreds if not thousands of archeological sites that have yet to be dug. My hunch is there is plenty of archeological evidence for chariots etc it just has not been dug up due to lack of funds.
Chariot and horse rituals were well attested by invaders in Ireland (e.g Gerad of Wales). Modern population genetics (post 2017) say Ireland has a heavy steppe DNA bias. It is inconceivable Indo European/Aryan horse burials did not happen in great number.
Happy to be proven wrong but this is my hunch.
Bit dismissive of the Book of Invasions, considering.
Can someone answer this question please ..... is the mRNA vaccines or vaccines containing DNA from aborted foetus cells, going to affect / alter results with any future family DNA test swabs done for personal ancestry ?
We don’t know what the long term effects will be because they are so new. Anyone who says otherwise is mislead or has a political agenda.
We are having a conversation about Ireland. Care to join us? If not, please take yourself elsewhere.
@@pauladuarte781 I didn’t write this on here it’s u tube stuff up not mine.
By the way, love Ireland.but that was nasty.
@@Trapezius8oblique what was nasty?
One burial doesn't make a genetic pattern for an entire population does it?
They have analysed dozens of ancient skeletons now and they all show the pattern. Also, skeletons from all over Europe shows the same pattern.
Look up Robert sepher, he's brilliant, we were in America 3ooo yrs ago, we had an irish alphabet that was found in America on a needle made of bone. We also were in Egypt, mummy's with red hair?? The man's brilliant. This was also very good, and well presented, bravo, but I think only time will tell, in my opinion!!
Robert is the best
'Ireland in mesolithic times was fully populated', but less than 1,000 burials have been found : one could conclude that over a period of 4,000 years, if they lived for about 40 years each, there were only 10 men in Ireland at any time. So an invasion of 20 beakers would easily wipe them out.
Emerald Island forever! Smoking kills, whiskey (living water in Irish) heals.
I watched a video on Spain and their Steppe input, it seems 40% of Neolithic farmers survived and passed on their genes, but here is the telling thing, it was only the woman who passed on their genes. Maybe all males where made into slaves or even eunuchs, im sure the Steppe people would have valued them as a commodity, from the first cities of Sumer man has always had slaves....
o n l y the black ones.
You are right. The first cities were engines of slavery. Hunter gatherers lived an easier lifestyle, for the population density we see, people had to be compelled to till soil for a generally lower and less varied calorific intake. The answer to why they did so is certainly some form of human bondage.
You notice... true academics and real scholars... use AD/BC.
Have you ever considered that many of the Jacobites had ancient DNA?
no. ne.
Shalom, perhaps you are unaware that Black people are indigenous to the planet.
@@davidbenyahuda5190 Stop stealing our history you racist Bantu.
@@davidbenyahuda5190 You have no history.
Anatolia is the Armenian Highlands
I'd like to make two points .... firstly , the situation of Beakers v Farmers and Hunters , as first reported by Lloyd in his excavations of long and round barrows , and later reported the same in excavations in North America , is still an ongoing situation and is obvious , not only in the modern Irish gene pool , which is narrow , but also in behavior traits within the population . Indeed , penis size may well have been an important factor in the genetic changes in the population , and could have been dictated by fatality as well as warfare . Even today , those with Beaker genetics may still be unwilling to include earlier natives in DNA studies , and those with earlier DNA may not wish to come forward and identify themselves . Secondly , the effects of trade may well be missed out in your studies . Caesar told us that the druids , generally believed to be of picto-iberian descent in Wales , ie long skulled and often with Neanderthal characteristics , conducted transactions in Greek . It is quite probable that all vestiges of Greek were wiped from the record by the incoming Romans , but indelible signs may still exist in our archaeology of Apollonian practices , generally disregarded by all post-catholic scholars with their obsession for Jewish history . Human trade may have been very prevalent in ancient times and may have accounted for some influence on our genetic tracing , and many physical characteristics of the people suggest a much wider interpretation of genetic history than those who trace dominant genetics in order to make political interpretations . Never trust a Beaker ..... Another fact , generally overlooked , is the indo-european singing style of the Irish and Scottish cultures which is not a part of the style of the P Celtic nations , suggesting a larger difference than mere language .
Celtic is not a race , is a culture drop your bulshit from the past
i got 33 centigrams of DNA shared with the Scottish sample of north Scotia I2859 AND i2860 DATED 900 bc 33 centigrams after 3000 years man still big shit that proves we come from the same tribes i'm a Iberian
Drugs are bad, boys
Auslane/Absolom
O'Connor here in America. I want to go home.
You are beautiful
I have great great grandmothers who were O’Connors... on both sides. Yikes. 😉
@@c.b.s.3495 There are 5 or 6 unrelated o'conor clans in Ireland.
Sorry but @ 6:20 your map is wrong and I’m sick to death of it. The Rhins of Galloway up to Carrick (up towards Girvan) spoke Gaelic and were loyal to Ireland. It really makes me cross.
Could you please provide a link to the corrected map?
@@tarawiselove lmao stfu lady
@@kerilyndesiree6188 No.
@@tarawiselove cant be suprised, atleast you use english proper tho 😂
Basque are wrongly called Spanish all the time. There appears to be truth in the Levant, as the Canaanites and Phoenicians were of Basque DNA, not certain about the Danites, haven't seen data on that one.
The Basque represent the larger part of our DNA pre-Viking and Anglo Saxon influence. County Kerry is my lineage base and the DNA repreeented, in greater amount Basque + Rh(-) .
American born Irish 3rd Generation Murphy Sullivan (Kerry) and 7th Generation Lynch.
I have a hypothesis that the IndoEuropeans/Germanics and Basque are 2 different batches of White Folks.
Irish Pyramid builders Connor Macdari seems reasonable to a DNA associated society
Gobelki Tepe was a village used for "healing/worship?" Dating from 12000 yrs ago. I would think these Masters of construction/design/art would have required communication. The question is, who was first.... telepathy is not written.....was telepathy world wide.? If it was common, why would anyone need to "write" anything?
And why would you need to post comments on youtube? You could just think them and we'd hear.
@@acr08807 Hold that thought.
healing and worship lmao,healing from what? its so patronizing thinking abt human ancestry like this. better to not guess and just be in wonder rather than reduce them down to fumbling, prostrate cave people, its a paradox such dumbe people make such impressive complex massive art 🥴
From clondalkin Dublin
Father from saggart mother from Newcastle
DNA matches closest with the people of Denmark
Even though I have an IRISH surname
Meaning you have Viking ancestors. Just cause you have a irish surname doesn't mean your ancestors did. E.g. Your great great grandfather only had daughters. Also, the Viking invasions had a significant impact on the DNA of Ireland(mainly northern).
@@jonesjonesing balls the Irish in the North of Ireland are the purest Irish the east of Ireland is a mixed bag
@BxxDxx Hoodoo I'm not from Leinster the ó ceallaighs were always fair or red headed research it
@@thomaskelly5349 I thought Kelly came out of Connaught
@@philipegan1806 well the largest group would have been galway mayo roscommon but there in every countie in Ireland it's the most numerous name in Ireland
dig up princess sciota in clare and get some that dna. :P
There is oral tradition the Scots came from Scythia as the Reid heid mummies and paracus skulls in Peru have been genetically traced to the black sea. we the Scotti are an Irish tribe from the north of Ireland.the common thread being red heids in many cases weird or what! good interesting talk, learn ed about all the incomers to the island, the Irish were first in the Faroes and Thule too(Iceland).
Slan leat bho Alba?
"identity"
Tity lol
looks like celts were in the region gobleki tepe seems to bebuilt and traditions carried on as they migrated to britain over 4000 years. interesting
Archeology in orkney looks like Göbekli Tepe.
we are sons of Anatolia my friend
Nothing like a backhand video...maybe we just let all the africans come in.
your origins are like mine Phoenicians Hittite hurrians you name it even Egyptian , the y haplogroup does not matter , what matters is your Neolithic ancestry
I can recommend an excellent online audio book free to listen to on Utube by the author Conor MacDari called Itish Wisdom Preserved in Bible and Pyramids. There is a vast pre diluvian history here in Ireland.
Thanks just going to listen hope you have a wonderful 2021 🇮🇪
I've found there is no quicker way to clear a room than to mention Dari's book. ;)
Do you think it's a pseudonym? Mac Dari I mean. He came with the renaissance writers which I find very interesting. Only at This time could anybody express a historical opinion alternate to that of our two masters.
I've read a number of times. His mention of Iesa is curious. Irish Iosa, Scottish Íosa or welsh Iesu still ring through.
The gap in Jesus' life is recorded in Tibet and India under a very similar name! youtube it if you get a chance!
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I couldn’t imagine that there’s still one person out there who would take quacks like McDari serious….and then I get sorely disappointed. This guys’ claims were laughed at in 1926
@@yvehirsch-smith1077 shut up pharasi.
Then went to caucuses for a little while passing through and went to euruope branching off from assyian which are Germans today which few dark skinned Assyrians say the Germans are decended from them
My bloodline has been proven to be from Southern 🇮🇪.
The Irish came from 2 kings from HEL, the land of finland. The kings were Sven and Dan, The irish primarily came from the line of Dan, an Aser. This from the Bock saga, oldest oral story ever told.
@Washer Dryer That is what I said, Read my post. You may need to stay off the weed.....yourself.
@Kyle O'Bryan Yeah, we may never know......
makes sense the tu a de dannan or however u spell it lol
Shalom, perhaps you are unaware that they were Israelites.
@@davidbenyahuda5190 You ain't no Israelite ya identity thief.
Have you considered a catastrophic flood killing everyone there around 2300BC?
Cody McCall are talking about because of the total replacement of the haplo group at that time? I thought the same. A flood
eyeroll
That flood was 10 thousand yrs ago
I did my dna through 23andMe… they said I am an ancestor of Niall. Totally surprised by that because I never thought I was even Irish. 😂
However I was surprised that using family search he was in my ancestral line as well via the Stewart’s and the Campbells.
Then… I kept going up that line and found a king in North Africa with an Irish sounding name. Kept going and found he was descended from the pharaohs.
There’s been mounting archeological and dna evidence, the Scots and the Irish were from Egypt.
'Twas "Milesia" and Scota (Akenaten's daughter) who are said to have "settled" on Ireland - Scotland named after Scota. Yes, there is a rich history. I am M222 as well friend.
I use ancestry. A friend of mine uses "My Heritage" (I believe), and she seems to be able to go back very far into her ancestry. How do they go so far back? Do these sites have better technology or more records? I've put in a lot of work on my family tree in Ancestry (much more than my friend), yet I've only gotten as far back as my 3rd great grandparents and a couple of my 4th great grandparents. I'm not saying it isn't legit, I'm just curious if I should try another site.
@@ultrafree9597 She was the last in the line of David because her brothers were killed by Egypt she married into my family
@@terrymurphy4401 - as did she mine. You and I and many on this subject are related. What determine precision is our haplogroup SNP. FTDNA has the most advanced testing which, in science generates higher levels of accuracy. YDNA- 700 test is recommended then you all can determine your haplogroup SNP and better understand relatedness and periods in time.
Thank you
Auslane Absolom
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It is not that hard to come up with a plausible explanation for the indoeuropean takeover. They establish a foothold, plague is spread and 90 % of the island’s population perishes. The indoeuropeans can then easily overwhelm the remaining population. The men are slain and the remaining women become wives to the indoeuropean warriors. A second point, langague change is often accelerated by two languages mixing and English is an outlier, having been mixed and polished with the intercourse with both norse and norman french. Beowulf appears less strange for a German or Swede.
This presentation is still based on the OLD idea of Ireland being populated and enculturated from the EAST. Barry Cunliffe and his linguistic colleagues, integrating modern DNA research with the language evidence, stable over three thousand years, support the understanding that Ireland spread the Irish /'celtic' language, cosmological and cultural traditions from the WEST.... with a flow backwards and forwards along the Atlantic coastlines after neolithic times. Cunliffe's 3 books and current genome and linguistic studies support that... not to mention plant and geological evidence that the island of Ireland rose first after the Ice sheet melted.
Cunliffe is no a serious scientist. He is nuts.
We were there before Niall as a matter of fact he stole everything from us our land our titles and even took our history.
They didn't take anything. They went to battle and won...I'm a mcmahon btw
Everyone who resides in the Irish Isles knows where the Irish came from, but we just do not mention such things in mixed company as it is too embarrassing. Now let 's change the subject and talk about where the London Taxi drivers came from ????
Ty, I'm wishing I could see Ireland, I have red hair, blue eyes, freckles, b neg
Stone hedge was built in Ireland later brought to England.
Originally from central Europe.
Nope the stones were from a site in Wales
I have a difference of opinion when it comes to the spread of farming from Anatolia being it an artificial simulation which was developed because of necessity, from greed, over breeding, and destruction of the organisms natural habitat, due to overpopulation and individual ownership of land, from territory. People today and tribes of old still help the herds wild animals to thrive, and protect the natural environment, because these people know it is their life, so their environment feeds them freely.
It also shows us the destruction paths of the Indo-Europeans, when civilization restarted Geological time. DNA shows the influx of peoples of Europe are from the East, 85% of people are from the East. Almost completely replacing the original inhabitants. They never determine the blood type, of the original inhabitants of the land, who were Rhesus negatives
Beaker civilization, reminds me of another organization who has practiced the same atrocities against the Indo-Europeans, The Rhesus negative males they did not kill, they kept as Eunuch slaves, genocide was committed by taking Rh- wives as slaves, and breeding the Rhesus Negative out of existence. As it is today as 87% are people in the world are now Rhesus positive.
In several instances the original population has been depleted by selective slaughter. The original bloodlines were deleted by the Mongols, Romans, Germans, Muslims, and the English. The last bloodlines of the Indo-Europeans are the Celts Hebrews, Basque, Berbers, and Great lakes Aboriginals. At only 13% of the world Population. How much evidence do you need?
They want rh- erased completely and our true history hidden. Its sick because if we were in a different political landscape, this information wouldn't be controversial. Nowadays things are so backwards, even people of the same race are racist towards their own people.
Drugs are not good, buddy
But according to science.mag, so I've read, the latest DNA analyses indicate that Irish farmers moved to the island in @ 3,700 BC, marginalizing the local, indigenous hunter gatherers (which in-coming farmers have done everywhere else), and that MOST of the genetic make-up of the Irish today comes from these early neolithic farmers, again arriving as recently as @ 3,700 BC. At the time they arrived, Carnac and other sites in Brittany were flourishing and were the scene of incredible feats of neolithic engineering, and @ 100 or so yr.s before Newgrange was built (the first great neolithic construction in Great Britain and Ireland), something VERY similar was built on the isle of Gavrinis off Brittany. Could these Irish farmer immigrants have been colonists from something like an expanding empire? We know that Irish gaelic is in a family with ancient Breton. (Where does the theory come from which this professor mentions in passing as fact that Breton came from England?) Why am I not reading about such a theory? What do you think? When you consider that the monuments of Brittany are older than but very similar to the neolithic monuments of Britain and Ireland, doesn't it seem obvious? Here I write a bit more about this. @t
The Irish are very similar genetically to Bronze Age people from Ireland and Britain , more so than the Scots , Welsh and English . Subsequent migrations appear to have made only a minor impact on the irish genome.
Rubbish. The Brythonic Gnome is overwhelmingly derived from an intermingling of Western Hunter Gatherers with Neolithic farmers and Bronze Age Beaker People, just as it is in Ireland. The Highland and Ireland Scots are essentially Irish, the eastern and lowland "Scots" are Brythonic. In Gwynedd and Pembrokeshire there is genetic evidence of frequent settlement from Ireland and sustained contact over a two thousand year people from the Mesolithic to the "Dark Ages".
The English are Germanic with more of a genetic emphasis on Eastern Hunter Gatherers.
Good stuff. 1:44. About Y DNA replacement. This happened wherever CHalcolithic-Bronze age Indo European decided to settle not just in Ireland. It happened essentially everywhere in Europe as well as in SC Asia.
It is due to a mysterious cultural practice done by early Indo Europeans. In all early Indo European nations, 90%+ of the men traced their paternal lineage to one man who lived only 500-1000 years earlier. Nothing like this exists in any large nation today. It's very odd. It'd be like if all Japanese men traced their paternal line to a medieval emperor.
WHat is the cause? Certainly, not sexual selection for men from the Russian Steppe. The reason is only one the Y DNA man out of 1,000s, which included men of Steppe origin, was selected for. Most paternal lineages, including ones of Steppe origin, went extinct.
The only explanation I can think of is a cultural tradtion in early IEs in which there was one family dominated who dominated the tribe. The tribe's identity was defined by that family. Kind of in the sense, Abraham defines the Jews. Each tribe had their own Abraham. All of the royal family's 'princes', who decided from their version of Abraham, could have sex with any woman they wanted to. Eventually, the tribe grew and essentially 100% of the men traced their paternal lineage back to that family.
It looks like that's what we see in the ancient DNA record. Each early Indo European speaking tribe was defined by their paternal lineage which traced back to one guy who lived a few hundred years earlier.
Corded Ware is R1a M417, Andronovo is R1a Z2125, Bell Beaker is R1b P312, Yamnaya is R1b Z2103.
An amazing is, literally over 100 million men alive today trace have a PIE paternal lineage including 60%+ men in western Europe (France, Spain, Ireland, Britain). Most men in the North & South America. 50%+ in most of eastern Europe and much of SC Asia. Even, 25% in Iran.
The Yamna peoples (proto Indo-European) from the pontic steppes domesticated horses and with their wheeled carts and herds were then very mobile. But their homelands on the Pontic steppes had a reservoir of small mammals that carried bubonic plague. The Yamna would have developed a genetic resistance through natural selection, but as they migrated they unintentionally wiped out the peoples they met (similar process to europeans with smallpox wiping out most native americans).
I should add that a large majority of early migrants are men. These would take partners from the female survivors of the plague (a recurring disease over many decades as in the case of the back death in Europe in the 14th century). The indigenous male survivors have a lower social status and may even have been enslaved (once again similar to the experience in the Americas). The result in the genetic legacy is that indigenous female specific genes survive with much higher frequency than their male counterparts.
Seems unlikely. If true, then we would have seen the neolithic females get wiped out to the same degree as the men. DNA tells us that the Yamnaya males married the neolithic females while the neolithic males essentially died out (at least in Corded territory). So, was this some sort of special plague that targeted only males? The Corded Ware Culture (created by the Yamnaya invaders) was 70% Yamnaya and 30% neolithic (LBK) according to autosomal DNA analysis. Almost all of that neolithic admixture came from the female lines. Plague doesn't explain that.
It does. The incoming men selected surviving women from the indigenous people. The indigenous men being killed or used as non-breeding slaves. See the comment with links further down for the analogous situation in Cuba over the last 500 years.
@@billa2619 I have read somewhere, and memories fade, that there is something to pheromones in humans, but not exactly as one expects. It would seen that humans (likely females) do select mates based upon immune system compatabilities. At some level the women are attracted to males who have immunities which when combined with their own would lead to much more resilient offspring. This would explain so much, even in modern mating behaviour.
You are talking about coming to Ireland. What about those who lived in Ireland? There is nothing about native people who lived in Ireland, because Celts are not the natives.
The origin of the Celtic People of the Celtic Isles is with the Bell Beaker culture which arrived in Ireland around 2000 BC and in Britain by 2500 BC; this time frame is well within the given age for the L21 DNA mutation which is estimated to be around 5000 years old,
below a link to a European distribution map for L21 (it is the 13th map in the list), remember what we are looking at is the current distribution of the present day L21 people with this mutation, note the high concentration in the Celtic countries of the Isles, especially Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and this is also reflected in the high levels in Brittany reflecting the early Celtic colonisation of that area
The Irish DF21 DNA type that was found in ancient remains from Rathlin Island off the Coast of Antrim and dates from between 1700 BC to 2000 BC and spawned current day Gaelic Chieftains who were descendants of these ancient Irish people
eupedia.com/europe/maps_Y-DNA_haplogroups.shtml
The Worlds earliest ancient cultures began around 5000 years ago and the Celts are no different, their origins being the Steppes of Russia dating from this period and indeed there are many Stone Circles found in this region
The Beaker archeological finds from Ireland indicate a strong continuity with the native Bronze age traditions in Ireland and Britain, there is NO EVIDENCE of other large scale immigrations during this early period and many scholars now propose that the gradual evolution of the Celtic languages took place simultaneously over a large area by way of common heritage and close social, political and religious links, this is absolutely supported by the archeological evidence in the large number of Beakers found in Ireland.
These Irish Beaker finds have both the early origin Northern British and Northern Rhine Valley beakers, the All over Cord Beakers and the Middle Rhine Valley and Wessex Beakers however they contain three groups of Beakers that are entirely insular to Ireland in nature and indeed many of the later Beaker innovations found in Britain never made it to Ireland which show an insular nature to early Irish society.
This is absolute proof of the development of a separate Celtic society in Ireland dating from 4500 years ago which has blood links to the earlier L21 Celts of Europe and Britain whose Celtic cultures developed independently hence the P Celtic language of Britain and the Q Celtic language of Ireland.
The L21 DNA split into many different groups in both Britain and Ireland, the oldest in Britain was found near Stonehenge and dates from 4500 years ago the oldest in Ireland seems to be DF21 mutation which is nearly 4000 years old and is predominately early Irish with later Scottish and Welsh migrations around 1500 to 2000 years ago, with also a small spattering across England which is to be expected from such an old Isles based type.
The genetic distances between the Irish who carry this DF21 mutation are staggering with distances of over 50% at 111 markers are frequently recorded indicating common Irish ancestors from 4000 years ago, Family Tree DNA state that a genetic distance of 10 at 111 markers indicate a common ancestor from around 850 years ago so this means that people with 5 times that distance have a common ancestor from over 4200 years ago. A very large number of people who descend from the various Gaelic Chieftains of Ireland and Scotland carry this DF21 dna mutation
So what is a Celt , quiet simply they are a person with the L21 DNA mutation who shares a common ancestor from around 5000 years ago and these various branches of this mutation spawned all the Celtic societies that existed for thousands of years, some are now extinct however the insular nature of the Isles ensured that the Irish, Scottish and the Isle of Man and the Welsh including Cornwall and Brittany the Culture has survived to this day
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY IRON AGE INVASION INTO IRELAND, ACTUALLY A SPECIFIC TYPE OF A LA TENE STYLE SWORD FOUND IN IRELAND THAT WAS USED TO JUSTIFY THIS THEORY WAS ACTUALLY FOUND IN IRELAND DATING FROM THE BRONZE AGE SO IT IS HIGHLY POSSIBLE THAT THE EXPANSION WENT THE OTHER WAY SO YOUR STATEMENT THAT THE NATIVE IRISH ARE NOT CELTS IS COMPLETELY WRONG !!!
@@wideawake4580, my question is simple: who are the natives of Ireland, if there are any? Migrating insular Celts came to Ireland, they never were an Irish, but where the Irish come from? Where are they? Sorry, this is like Americans who made a fake nation. Natives of America are Indians. I do not try to be hostile, but nobody can answer this question.
If "the L21 DNA split into many different groups in both Britain and Ireland, the oldest in Britain was found near Stonehenge and dates from 4500 years ago the oldest in Ireland seems to be DF21 mutation which is nearly 4000 years old and is predominately early Irish with later Scottish and Welsh migrations around 1500 to 2000 years ago, with also a small spattering across England which is to be expected from such an old Isles based type", then where is the Irish language, because Gaels come from Celts.
I did answer the question, did you not read what I posted? Are you saying that people who have lived for over 4000 years on the same Island as their ancestors are not indigineous? How far back do you want to go before according to you they qualify as indigineous? the Native Americans are related to Europeans around 15000 years ago and came from the Siberian region, they share Haplogroup Q with Eskimos and also some ancient Scandinavians so which of these do you class as indigineous? You are talking nonsense
The proto Celtic R1b / L21 people share a common Steppe ancestor from somewhere between Five and Six THOUSAND years ago, these ancestors domisticated the horse, created the first wheeled vehicles including Chariots. we were master metallurgists and created the most beautiful Gold and Bronze artefacts and weaponry, they mastered the Longbow and so much more and all of this was spread throughout Europe by the R1b Bell Beaker Culture,
These R1b /L21 bloodlines when they came to Ireland over 4000 years ago spawned the Celtic tribes of the Isles and indeed, In Ireland we have unique Culture with ancient Annals and Sagas that are the envy of the World, NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING LKE THEM, we built the slanted Dolmens, thousand of Stone Circles and Royal Palaces such as Eamhain Macha, Cruaichain, Tara etc,
Likewise our Christian Heritage is also a thing of absolute beauty, our High Crosses, Round towers, and such wonders as the Book of Kells, the Ardagh Chalice, the Cross of Cong etc, and our Churches and Monasteries such as Clonmacnoise were the Centres of learning for all Europe, Kings and nobles came from far and wide to study there, we were known as the ISLE OF SAINTS AND SCHOLARS
FOR YOU TO SUGGEST THERE IS NOT AN ANCIENT IRISH CELTIC PEOPLE AND CULTURE IS COMPLETELY LUDICROUS !!!
Celts are native. You've just been taught an incorrect idea of them.
@@wideawake4580 you are my hero lol... I'm a proud celt
everyone fails to mention the basques.
basques paleo north Africans everybody knows that look at they high cephalic index
@@danythrinbell1596 lmao shut tf up N
How come americans can never pronounce irish??? like even the educated ones ....gabh mo leithscéal??
a british guy telling Irish history, notice how everything has to come to Ireland there was no Romano British period thats saying Rome invade Ireland you mug, witch they didn't... Ireland raided Britain thats why British objects were found here from that time.
Mallory is American, not British. The fact that most people who came to Ireland over the course of history arrived from the island of Britain is hardly controversial at all, and simply because they came from Britain did not make them "British", which was a much later invention.
Wouldnt have to be farming.. mercantilism could explain it and the expansion of language, to exchange goods. Farming was a byproduct of mercantilism to have an export or sustain an area exporting another good like copper or tin. Like ancient Spartans and the ruling warriors or in rome, farmers supporting leaders.
Also. My mothers family is almost entirely northern Britton ans irish. When she had her dna kit done for the UK project we found our mitochondrial dna was H13a1a. A rare mitochondrial line. Found most densely in the caucus mountains but found in ancient skeletons from phoenician settlements like sardinians, minoans, etruscans and iberian. This would lead me to believe as our family are ancient in britton,scotland and Ireland wit almost 0 anything else except Norwegian which youd expect in dal riatan "scots" would lead me to believe the first hypothesis
Also, it's in written egyptian histories of phoenicians the names of expedition leaders to places like the tin isles, in the Mediterranean bronze age.
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the trypellians.
irish guys! told the irish come from viking and spaniors
This just goes to show that historical perspective is dictated by the politically correct dogma of the time.
My recent ancestors are from Ireland, I have a Viking surname, blonde, blue, etc...but my genetic history (human genome project) is near east. I like to think that my ancestors were members of the lost tribes of Israel, but probs came to Ireland thousands of years earlier.
Lost tribe of Israel 🤦🏾♂️🤔
@@brianearvin3365 Why are you even in the comments? 🤔 You lost?
@@Sean-jc6cu please show me a WHITE Israelite
my brother is more blond than a viking and he is not a viking he is a Hittite Sumerian haplogroup j1 my sister a brown hair gurl with the eyes pure water from the sea the same Sumerian Hittite woman haplogroup j1 , what that genes have to do with vikings or Celtic cultures ?
@@danythrinbell1596 you have a cool genetic history. Mine is Syrian and Asian. My family have Asian eye features. Ultimately we are all from Africa, as you know. There must be fascinating migration stories in our backgrounds, but most of us, including me, know only a few generations back. Culture changes generationally to address the issues of the day, so its interesting to think about how cultures morph over time, and how migration impacts them.
The Irish came from biblical meso potamia
Near east people were white back then. The muds moved in later.
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B.S.
See the Bull mounting mother earth GAIA
IRELAND from DANES ?