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That is the question of the day, what is a better choice for your particular old fireplace. The point is, you have an old fireplace that you are tired of looking at, and you want to update it or convert it. The question is, should you get a log set or an insert? Here are the pros and cons of these units.
Gas Log set
Pros-
- Affordable
-Look Great
- Keeps a nice open look
- Easy to install
Cons-
- Very inefficient
-Not a good heater
- Have a tendency to soot up from time to time
Gas Insert
Pros
- Very efficient
- very high heat output
- can be used as a whole home heater
Cons
- Expensive
- Can close in the look of your fireplace
- More complex install
Thats it in a nutshell
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*Very easy to set up and use, attractive but be sure you understand the height--it's not tall. The heat is not overwhelming, but steady and pleasant fireplace fireplace.homes . It's quiet, too. I like the possibility of easily moving it from room to room i
thanks
I would make one clarification: If you have a vented gas long set, everything Trevor said is dead-on. However, a vent-free log set (where the flue is mainly closed) does not have this issue. That also means you can drop way down in BTU's and cost and still gain dramatically in performance. A 37,000 BTU vent-free unit can heat an entire small home whereas an 80,000 BTU vented log set can't. I have a vent-free log set in my home and on the LOWEST setting (of five) it heats up my entire first floor which is roughly 1,000 square feet. In the dead of winter I can have a sauna in my family room (where the fireplace is). You can fully control this by setting the flue opening from closed to fully open or anywhere in between.
true, we address vent free in a separate video
Do you get any smell from your gas logs in your home?
So your saying you don’t vent out your gas logs ?
@@embersliving , I tried finding that video. Could you link it please?
I just went with a gas insert and about fell over when I saw the total with, tax, labor, venting tubes, chimney cap, the unit itself and frame. I chose the Mendota FV-44i, basic safety screen, and had to have a custom frame ordered which added $200. The insert with custom frame was $4700, labor to install $800, cap and vent tubes $300 grand total of almost $6000 with PA sales tax. Not cheap by any means but I can't believe how much heat this beast puts out.
Mendotta's are amazing!!
To heat something up such as a 3 bedroom house, you need "VENTLESS" because the vented versions tend to just heat a single spot rather than the entire house. We have had a dual fuel (propane/natural gas and we use propane) 30,000 BTU gas log set with mantle for 8+ years now and it has had no problem heating a 3 bedroom house here in Virginia. We use three 100 pound tanks and each one lasts about 30 days if we use it only when we need to. We do regret not getting the blower kit for it which is no longer made for our specific gas log set because the heat goes straight up from the mantle. So to compensate, we use a fan on top of corner cabinet. Our installion cost was around $700 dollars at that time. Propane heat is awesome and INSTANT HEAT. It's also cheaper than firewood in some cases too. Just make sure you get ventless and definitely get a blower kit for it.
doesnt work for a lot of the country, and also sucks oxygen out o the room, I definitely recommend against it
Great info. We are in Las Vegas and must have NG. We want to be able to heat the house as you do. It’s only a few weeks per year at most and just nights and mornings.
We just bought a house with a bulge in the living room from the master bedroom closet. I picture it with a fireplace façade and ventless insert.
Thank you for making this video! Very informative, very clearly presented, and very helpful for someone who never had a fireplace before.
Glad it was helpful!
Precisely the information and clarity I needed that I have not found so far during my research. Thank you!
thanks for watching!
What a great video. Very very helpful info as I think about exchanging an old woodstove for gas logs and now you have me thinking an insert will be a getter option. I have been trying to decide which way to go and your videos gave me a much better understanding of my options. Great information!.
Inserts are great for heat
The one with gold frame looks amazing. Way better than your top 5
Glad you like it. There will be a new top 5 this fall.
This info was very helpful thanks from Alabama
Glad to help!
Thank you Trevor. This helped me out tremendously. You articulate so well that I had to comment which I rarely do on CZcams. I wish you were in CT - I'd buy from you in heartbeat. Thanks again for this helpful video. My only feedback is that I wish you got into vented vs ventless inserts.
You can always view our website if you want any of these fireplaces we ship to CT. Thanks for watching ! Watch this vent video czcams.com/video/IdihEOecM7I/video.html
Thank you for making this video! It gives a lot of insight and has been very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
@@embersliving so I can said we need people can't decide if they should get a gas logs that or gas insert shrimp so it start with gas Hawaii to settle debate
Guy's I live in Europe... Mallorca, Spain. We have hot summers and colder winters down to maybe 10º as an average but we can drop to 2º ...OK dont laugh but after 30+º summers that's cold.
Wow am I impressed with your informative advice... information and "opinions" are everything. I get almost zero advice here... " You like it, get it "...that's as good as it gets.
if anything you give us too much to think about.... but that's a good thing.
My Aunt lives near Fort Collins and is doing a total refit of her old home...I've sent her your info...she will be paying you a visit and yes I've subscribed.
thanks so much!
fireplace came with the house with ceramic logs. Wanted to change to glass inside but we found out we can’t cause it’s not interchangeable. It’s a majestic brand
yes you wouldn't be able to
I have a house with an existing 25 year old vented gas insert. Would I be able to replace the existing burner and controls with a new gas log set?
Great unintentional joke with the thermostat needle! Nice video, and extremely helpful. Going with the log set because I rely on the radiators for heat. Just for the look, and to finally use my fireplace after 3 years in my house.
Haha
Not sure what you are talking about. A ventless log set sends ALL HEAT into room and it is 99.8 percent effecicient. No heat is going up the chimney as the flue is closed. Now, if you are talking of Direct Vent or Vented that is a different story. Clarify please.
Thank You for your time and helpful knowledge.
Our gas logs are so hot we can not run them continuously. We have a 52" ceiling fan set on low, when the fire place clicks on the fan disperses the heat throughout the rooms they are in. We have a 4ton gas pac central air, in a 2500sqf home. And we keep it on 64° in the winter, gas logs in the family room's 12" ceiling, and living room 10" ceiling on 70° and love how I don't touch a thing once set. Bedrooms cool at night, and all the family room's warm and toasty.
Personally I have not seen the need to try something different when what we have works so well.
I certainty understand completely that what I decribed is not for everyone.
I'm a restaurant guy myself and I hooked up both sets of logs when new and changed one out myself when we wanted to upgrade to a better looking style.
Again if any body has not decided, this is a great video to help with that decision.
But when we built our house 23 year's ago we had not heard about an gas insert. Maybe we would have went a different direction 🤔
Good luck guy's.
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thanks so much !
Gas logsets look nice but extremely inefficient. 80 to 90 percent of the heat produced goes up the chimney. A gas logset burns room air. So as its burning its pulling in cooler air near the floor which in turn helps pull warmer air down from the ceiling which makes it feel like its heating the room when it actually is not. Efficiency is much more important than BTUs. You wouldn't buy a furnace that was only 10 to 20 percent efficient.
Thank you for the video. I learned a lot. I sure did feel bad for you and your finger but it was a great way to demonstrate just how hot it gets. This video answered a bunch of my questions. Thanks again.
haha thanks so much for watching
Trevor... what a great educational video. Very informative, right to the point. Mario from Canada
Glad it was helpful!
ive had one and its amazing for heating a home should have explained more about the effect of taking air from the outside and bringing it into the home thats where these fireplace inserts get it done, i paid little over 2k for mine to be installed
thats great feedback
Well done presentation. But I wish you would have delved into vent free log sets. I’m seriously considering trying a VF set because, why not get some heat out of the gas you’re burning? And nothing says efficiency better than 99%!
The main problems with VF are moisture generation and smells from combustion. The question I have is why these problems couldn’t be mitigated by simply opening the flue slightly? That’s the direction I’m leaning in converting a wood fireplace.
we do vent free in another video check out our channel
Ours too we have to be close to it to feel the heat. Ours has glass on it. Ours is gas fireplace
probably a builder grade unit
Very Helpful! Thank you
Glad you liked the video! Thanks for watching.
Great video I have 3 gas log fireplaces in my home raised three kids 28,26,23 & now a 9 year old son never had a incident with any of my kids being burned when they were little I let them touch the Mantle gently and let the heat burn "Not Harm" their hand they understood the danger and never touch it or played around any of them ,I live in the NORTHEAST so when they're on you literally have to cut the Furnace off and my kids being grown wgen they visit want the fireplaces on because of the Obeisance and ozy feeling I have a fireplace in my bedroom I was gonna remove for a closet I decided to leave it because I realize the Fireplaces give my home substantial more value the Gas log is a must for my family and many friends over the years have invested in them in their homes because of the Beauty when they visit
great feedback thank you
Very helpful, however like the aesthetic and cost of log set but not heating efficiency.
This was a great video. We just bought a hone in the Midwest and have two flu chimneys that we have to decide on which way to go. This video helps explain it to us! Thanks
Your welcome! Thanks so much for watching!
OK so ill have to get on to you about the gas logs, if your using a vented set then i would agree with you, but when it comes to vent free, instead of loosing 86% of heat up the flue like with vented sets, you will get around 75 to 80% of that heat so make sure what type of gas logs your looking at before you buy, there's a big difference from vented to vent free, from looks to performance. Now when you talk about inserts mendota is the number one inserts/fireplaces on the market, thats what I sell, and for gas logs it would be Peterson Real Fyre gas logs.
good to know
I have the gas log with chimney open in our property is useless. No heat comes out. I'm thinking how to fix It with less cost.
I live in San Diego, Ca. (East county) It can get down into the 30s at night during winter months. But by 10 or 11am...it can get to 60s. Grant it, we have central heating throughout our home...but on those colder mornings it would be nice to have just our living room warm up. Does anyone in our type of climate have these inserts or recommend...or any out there in our climate think it may be too much heat for us. Thanks for any advice.
Inserts are really good at heating. Most have different heat levels, but if youre worried you can always look at an electric fireplace.
Great job explaining the difference!! Thank You so much!!! 😊👍
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I live in Alabama. It’s getting more like Florida in Temperature. We just had this Winter Freeze. I have seen snow up to 4 inches in April, but that was 1986. What would be your Recommendation for our Area? You really can’t Predict Temperature or Weather. Gas Logs or Insert?
It just depends on the space you're working with.
What about "vented" vs "Non-vented" Insert gas fireplaces?
these are all vented . I think you might have to talk to an installer.
So much information in this helpful video and you didn’t even mention ventless gas logs! How can you leave them out of this conversation???
it is its own video
@@embersliving I don't see it, can you link?
what about a vent free for a 3/4 covered patio (walk out patio) as a heat source ? building a 12x45 with 12 foot ceiling 3/4 covered patio (covered and 3 walls ) the 45 foot wall will be screened but also have a isenglass / canvas type of drop down for the winter. won't be air tight to the walls but be somewhat tight. I will probably have it wired also for the electric radiant heaters i have watched your video's. Just in case i'd have to add more heat. the house is being built in SC so winter months are not bad unless a really cold spell so i'd say unless a crazy winter freeze it usually won't get lower than low 40's in the worst average winter months.
I think that would work
Nice job, very thorough! Thanks for the info.
Glad it was helpful!
I can see why gas logs are less efficient. But I have one of the old Heatilator Mark 123 fireplaces with air ducts in the wall. A gas log there might not waste as much heat as it normally would. It would certainly cost less to try. I just want the occasional ambience and an emergency natural gas heat source that works when the power is off.
thanks for the feedback
I have the same unit flue damaged after hurricane lda had 2 replace the whole unit can't get parts double insulated pipe hope u never have the same problem great unit
Great sales bud informative and relaxed
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for a very informative video!
Glad to help!
How effective would a vented gas log set be as far as heating? I ask because we have a set that we're thinking of converting to propane with a vent/damper going outside.
Pretty ineffective unfortunately, they are really primarily for looks.
What about if power goes out? Which one would work in a no power situation? If either is dependent on electricity then they aren’t a good backup source of heat. I know during the Texas deep freeze in 21 the only heat we had was from our gas logs. If we had an insert would it have worked when the power went out with freezing weather?
yeah it should
Is there blowers for gas log sets? i just purchased a house with a double sides wood fireplace converted to gas and would love to use as a heat source when its cold
Any thoughts on an outdoor versions?
Very possible
Great info, thank you. Whats your recommendation for an outside fireplace and i live in montana
There is a lot to answer here please call the store (303) 800-5659
Hot as heck🔥🔥🔥 there in the end.😂 Awesome info. Thanks.
Glad to help!
Thanks! great information and your presentation is very good
Glad it was helpful!
Nice job! Very informative and entertaining as well.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very informative video. Thank you
No problem! Thanks for leaving a comment.
Great video Thank's.
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
Very good to hear the pros and cons. Your channel really helps
I can make a fire colorful like a rainbow. Are you interested?
no
So if my gas fireplace doesn’t heat the house why have it? Am I missing something?
Soem are better for others. Some people buy it just for looks or have multiple.
Which brands and models are the gas fireplace inserts that you used for this video.
Mendotta
What about a vent-free gas log? Can you get the look in the gas-log set but make it vent-free so the efficiency is much higher/better heat??
Yes I have vent free 12years and going , heat the house fantastic
yes technically but there are downsides to vent free. I have another video comparing that. Check out our other videos
nice explanation i didnt know any of this stuff. seems very expensive for gas insert
Ha could be!
You need to see the long term investment. Inserts last for 25-30 years, well worth the investment.
Propane gas system fireplace
hi thanks for your video great information!! .... what about the ceramic balls ? are those as good as the gas log set? will they heat up your house? im looking for something that will give out heat. thanks in advance.
Yes they are, they perform the same as a gas log. So you would want an insert
Amazing video. Thanks so much. Wish you were close to us, I would be buying right away.
Thank you so much!! Thanks for watching! You can also order online if you'd like!!
When we built out house we had a wood burning fireplace put in that's a combo fireplace. It has a gas connection at it. They told us if we want to use the gas connection all we have to do it buy the gas log/insert? and connect it to the gas and turn the gas connection on(they gave us a special key for it). Which one do we have to use to keep it a wood burning fireplace as well? If we did the gas insert would that mess up the option to burn firewood?
I have the same question. Been wondering this for 18 years, unfortunately. On the bright side, my fireplace is still as clean as the day I bought my house because it hasn't been used.
you have to convert it one way or the other, all gas or all wood. if you do wood it would be just capping off the gas line
@@embersliving oh wow! I thought since it was a "combo" unit I could put the gas log in when I wanted to and take it out when I wanted to use firewood (and just turn off the gas). That's not the case? I have to choose one or the other?
@@cherry-cherry1412 haha I've been using firewood and just now thinking of using gas.
Great video - very helpful. I have a fireplace in a home built 19 years ago.It has a gas line at the bottom but can burn wood or put a gas log on top (I guess). I was thinking to buy a pan and fire glass and change it's look but sounds like the heating will continue to be inefficient with most heat going out of the house vs into the house. The insert as an investment in the home, delivering heat, and resale value all seem positive. Remote control of heat levels sounds great too. I can't see how it could heat the whole home - it's 3000 sq ft home. Other issue is we have an HDTV above the mantle and if all that heat comes out (more than now) -- won't that be a major negative to the TV's life? Thanks.
im not sure if it will hamper the life of the TV so hard to say on that. How close is it
What about if I put a ventless gas log set into a wood burning heatilator, keeping the damper closed and using the heatilator fan to circulate the warm air through the room?
that I am not sure about
Excellent presentation!
thanks!
I live in Minnesota was doing research on what to do with my fireplace. Thank you Thank you!! You have helped So Much! I love my 1920's home but I have classic radiators and there is not one in my living room where my fireplace is. A gas insert is going to be amazing in that space!
In the instal of the vent/intake pipes is there any concern to insulate in the chimney? Or since it is all sealed there wouldn't be.
You are so welcome!
It depends on where you live and how the weather is like, if you don't get snow or low temps then you don't need to, if your in an area where you get snow for months at a time, it would be good to insulate the flue, but you don't need any inside the fire box its self, what i would do is make a stopper at the start of your terracotta flue tile and mix and pour from the top down, let the first couple set to harden then fill to the top around the lines going up, and make sure to use the right mix as mortar mix will work but its permanent and cant be fixed easily.
I'm so glad to have a real log fireplace. Real is better.
thats awesome!
I’m so glad I don’t have to chop wood
@@heknows5418 I don't chop wood. I find oak pallets for free.
Great video, extremely helpful. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
@@embersliving I just sat down with the wife to watch a second time. Thanks again.
If you install a gas log set in an existing wood burning fireplace, can't you close the damper and you will get good efficiency? Many of us have older kind of leaky homes, or would this effect the air quality too much (using O2 and generating combustion gases)?
Yes but there is a danger of running it with the damper closed and getting monoxide poisoning
@@embersliving
It's my understanding that they run 99.9% efficient and the only time you'd have problem is if you aimed the flames onto one of the fake logs -- which could create CO. Of course, you'd be a fool not to have a CO alarm nearby. They also have a low oxygen sensor which shuts them down at a certain level.
Very hard to get clarification and substantiation to my first sentence.
So how do these inserts interact with your existing furnace? I live in a cold climate and my basement is very cold in winter.
We have a new video coming out this friday that will be anser thsi question I think. Most of thime you will want to put apowerful insert into a living space where the heat can spread
We’ve got a high efficiency furnace which heats the house well but the basement is cold because of the chimney. That’s where I want the insert. But will it be competing with the furnace?
I have a ventless gas log fireplace with a blower and it produces a lot of heat.
great feedback
When did Tim Heidecker start selling gas fireplaces?
haha
Can you use wood logs in a gas fireplace?
No
Thank You for your videos.... What about if you have a prefab box, no chimney or vent. Can I just use vent free logs? Do I or should I get a blower?
you could possibly use vent free, you would probably want it inspected by a local company
Makes lot of sense.
thanks
Beautiful, amazing, and very informative
Glad you think so!
Right now I have a sealed gas insert connected to two flues coming down the chimney, one to bring air in and one expelling the heated air. Can I remove the insert from my masonry fireplace and convert to a gas log setup without worrying about the negative consequences of having the room air going up the chimney because of the existing two flue system already there or will the heated air simply go up two flues instead of one in a typical setup?
hmm thats a tricky one
Thank you! This was so informative, great job!
Thanks for watching!
Great informative video!! I have a question, how about if we put the heat exchanger grate under the gas logs? Would you think that will warm up the room? Thank you
I dont think it would do much
so what a video on vent free logs
we have one on our channel
Great video. We moved into our home last year and the fireplace that the old owner installed is a Heat N Glo wood burning insert with a blower which heats the room nicely. Can we install a gas log-set into that so we don't have to lug firewood anymore?
possibly, I would have it looked at
Great info, was thinking of removing my old insert and getting a more open flame but im in Seattle so it helps with heat. Mine hasent run for 4 years I just youtubed how to start it and used a wire brush on the starter thingy and its going for the first time in forever...Quick question? I have and old Regency probably from 2004...Can I spray black high heat paint inside and remove logs and add lava rock and fire glass covering up burner to update it?
I wouldn’t mess with the inside. They are tested to burn with a certain setup. So I would leave the inside alone
Good presentation
Can you please kindly post videos on maintenance of gas insert and how to add ember glower to it?
Thanks
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Awesome video. Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Trever, I live in Lafayette La. i have watched your video and have decided on purchasing a gas log set. Winter climate is mild. Please recommend a gas log set. I have an existing gas hookup installed in my fireplace. I don't really need a high performance heating unit.
Thanks for your recommendations. I can live with a a negative heat efficiency.
Sounds great!
If the gas log insert is for a ventless system - 99% efficient then why do you let all that heat go up the chimney? won't it heat you room very well if you close the damper??
well it could help yes, then it wouldn't go up the chimney, but then you still have a vent free product
I don't see the difference. They both have gas coming out around fake logs. Does neither one have a fan? Or does one have a fan and the other does not? My gas fireplace has glass beads and a fan, so where does it fit in here? Is it more efficient when I crank up the fan?
Glass inserts fit into already created fireboxes. It's more about install. We recommend using your fan yes. czcams.com/video/IW56vS2WKEs/video.html
@@embersliving Thanks. And thanks for the link. I am guessing that the fireplace is more efficient if the fan is set to maximum speed as compared to when it is set to half speed.
On my gas fire place can I close the doors with pilot lit don’t know anything about the gas fireplace
not sure you may need it locally looked at
Amazing video, very helpful! 😀
Thanks a lot!
Glad it was helpful!
Is there an outdoor rated version? Vent free?
Yes actually
why do log sets have soot and glass enclosed inserts do not. I am looking for something that is very low soot, so should I go with an insert?
yes 100%
Gas log sets look much more realistic and are much cheaper. If you can get a log set take it from a fireplace installer n service guy.
agreed
I also learned in the video that you cannot touch the edge. That is a risk for the kids
true
Great video, thank you very much. Question...how do I know if ventless systems are allowed in my city? I'm in Dallas, TX
hmm good question, I think they are in Dallas but not 100% sure
So it's safe to say that you would almost always recommend the vented log insert? Can these run with propane instead of natural gas? I'm in Connecticut, and my neighborhood is strictly oil. I've been running an old pellet insert in my brick fireplace to heat up my 1600sqft house but am getting tired of dealing with all the dust from the pellets and noise from the unit. Will a vented unit heat up this area? Thanks.
I think a vented unit would do well
what about the propane gas consumption, let's say per hour?
its about double the cost of natural gas
Thanks
Welcome
I have a sealed insert running with the “in” and “out” liners. My logs are looking tired. Unfortunately, I don’t know the manufacture name. My question is; can the burner/logs be replaced with new (different) ones within the original box? Is it as simple as removing the front glass, removing the logs and disconnecting the burner?
no they are specific to the insert
Thank you, excellent explanation
You are welcome!
Great explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
About what percent increase would it be to install a gas line into an existing fireplace?
what do you mean
Hello , great video . I have a old gas fireplace , it’s a new old hole we bought last year . It’s missing the log set and I came across your video searching for ideas . My question is if the current has fireplace has a glass frame around it entirely that’s let’s certain parts to open and close as needed does it make it more efficient ? Tia
not really
Does the glass covering the air mixer fitting not prevent it from doing its job properly?
no
Thanks for this video! Would you say the loss in efficiency for just gas logs (without an insert) is comparable to just burning a Duraflame log?
exact same thing
With a gas log set, should the glass doors be open or closed while fireplace is burning?
open
Very helpful! Thanks.
thanks for watching