I think the reason people say that is because, at least in the West, cartoons are treated as just for kids. Also, a good character and a relatable character are not the same thing. A strong character can be relatable, but not all relatable characters are good characters, and not all good characters are relatable.
I think the reason why Kuro The Artist was saying that relatable characters are good characters is that every character, even one who is a terrible "person" needs to be relatable because you must find some way to see where they're coming from. Lex Luthor is a good example, even though he does terrible things all the time he has actual motivations. Like how he personally feels as if he is "saving" the Earth from Superman. That is why every character is the protagonist of their own story.
this kinda explains my problem with the dmc fan base,some thing with a pathetic gameplay and character traits as nero is beloved for some reason,and i guess i should just accept it and move on.
For me personally, I believe that a good character must be passionate or motivated. well they don't necessarily have to be relatable, you want to know where they're coming from, whether or not you agree with where they're coming from. Tokyo Godfathers is a perfect example. The shows about three hobos during the week between Christmas and New Year's. before the plot begins, they practically accepted their place in life. They all have a past that they would rather run away from him be homeless if it means that they would never have to face their demons again. But then comes a baby that they find in a dumpster, a baby that one of them calls Hope. As they try to figure out who the the parents of the baby are and how she ended up in the dumpster, they are each forced to face their past, accept their mistakes, and move forward knowing that they forgive themselves. You can make the argument that these characters are not relatable as how they act between each other alone would make you glad that they're in their position. But as you learn where they come from and why they act the way they do to each other as well as themselves, you start to Hope that they can be better people and in turn have better lives. Their motivation to return the baby back to her parents is what makes them interesting, and thus, in my eyes, good characters.
I think a common thing is people are confusing real dialogue and growth with “darkness”. Not every cartoon is to have real conversations within the genre but certain cartoons such as the OG Titans, has those conversations. It one thing that made it relatable and great. Which is why there is such a divisive fan base when it comes to TT. It is necessarily that TTGo is bad it’s the fact that TTGo mocks the image of the TT that was waited for by so many fans who wanted to see conclusions to many stories that felt left on an open note without it being purposely left that way.
It would flanderize the characters. Did everyone forget that terra at the end wanted to be left alone and that the answer doesnt matter because it shouldn't matter?
Writing to me is only good when the writer has a wider grasp of the society their demographic is in, than what the market demands you to adhere to. Marketing something specific about a show or character is often much worse off than when a writer knows how to present something with their own awareness of concepts shown in the writing.
Exactlly. Let's face it a Superhero TV shoe is a Superhero show NOT some immature Pre-School they go out there they put on there suits, place there boots on the ground and they save the world. Just like The Men and Women in The Branch of Service. Hell I hated when Parent's act like Hypocrites.
People mean mature when they say ‘Dark’ it’s because 50% of people still think cartoons are for kids. Exploring interesting themes and mature stuff, having a good story, having fleshed out characters we can relate are all important yet there’s still people out there who see cartoons as for kids and try to do just comedy. Comedy is fun but when the industry is oversaturated, people get bored
Its because we are used to the dark and serious moments while kids are not as much.....And thats what cartoon network is,a kids channel.The era of 2000-2010 was great but changes have to come..may not be good or bad
well im not gonna say the cleshey OLD CARTOONS WAS GOOD AND NEW CARTOONS IS BAD i wont say its bad because its trying to appeal to a new era like how it did in the early 2000-2011 and how it did and the 90s and 80s every set of cartoons is differnt because its trys to appeal what kids like and what kids like now is....dabs........and lets be honest he always had that one cartoon or movie that was boring for boring in the 90s was doug IMO and for the early 200s (where i grew up in) was all grown up....even tho i liked it alot of people thought it was boring and now its marvel spiderman things always change and i think the cartoons changed (and i count 2012 as early 200s because yeah)
People also confuse being dark with maturity. What makes the show mature isn't what's in it, but how those subjects and situations are treated. Take death for example. Death itself doesn't make something mature, it just means that death exists in the show. What matters is if death (the subject) is treated with maturity and respect. That truly what makes something mature.
Wandering Oryx I am just using it as an example and it's story telling has gotten pretty bad. But death there has no meaning, it has no weight, it cannot be taken with the seriousness and maturity that is required, because you can just bring them back with the mcguffin any damage can be undone. There can be no lasting impact or effect or consequence, because you got something that can undo all of that. You lose the sanctity of life, and that makes for a very bad story.
Uncle grandpa was total trash for the first 4 seasons, but it was the fifth season was where it actually got watchable, when it seemed like the writers started caring. Don't get me wrong, it was still very odd, but, one day while watching an episode I noticed a common theme: The writers- the characters, in the show reinforce this idea that its OK to be, well, WEIRD. No one at a younger age likes being told they are weird and are shamed because of it, but Uncle Grandpa teaches you that YOU are YOU, and even if others view you as weird, its OK, because no one is in a sense, NORMAL, people just like to make you think that. The message really hit home with me, as I've been very conscious of my appearance and reputation throughout my whole life, Uncle Grandpa tries to show its perfectly fine to be different. Maybe I'm reading too much into but that's how I saw it.
Uncle Grandpa was always hit and miss. Some episodes are really funny others try too hard to be funny the funniest episode they ever did was when Pizza Steve and Uncle Grandpa get stuck on the escalator.
I haven't seen much of "Uncle Grandpa," but I remember its crossover with "Steven Universe" also had a similar message to what you described. Nonetheless, it's still good lesson.
It's about a balance between good characters and a good plot. They don't need to be darker they just need to not treat kids like they're stupidity personified. If you don't baby talk a baby then it'll learn to speak faster and if you do it'll take more unnecessary years.
Yeah I agree. Being dark doesn't make you show or movie good. Look at batman v superman. It's dark but that doesn't make it a good movie. In fact it has a tons of problems. A good show is a series filled with well written and relatable characters. Not all of them have to be relatable but having some relatable characters is one of the things that makes the show good. So great video kuro 👍.
Not everything needs to be dark or serious but I’d enjoy something of that nature just existing at all. I mean all I’m asking for is at least like... Xialoin Showdown level of seriousness i feel like that’s not asking that much for something of that level to at least exist along side the current amorphous comedy blob
You're correct for the most part, although I'll have to disagree that 'relatable = good'. I believe that it's possible for a character to relatable but 'poorly' written. Although I don't this is exactly what you meant, since I could also say that all "good characters are relatable, but not all relatable characters are good", which makes more sense (at least to me) and seems like what you were going for. At the same time however, a character's relatability is what offers the audience something to connect with - if the audience connects then that means they'll want to watch more, which is what any cartoon producer would want.
Villains are good characters but not relatable unless if they have a backstory to tell. Arthur Fleck, for example, is a good character who is sympathetic due to his mental health and a hard life, but not relatable because... of course he's the Joker -- a clown villain who committed multiple criminal activities and genocide towards others.
Everyone acts like the 2003 teen titans was pure dark and gritty when it wasn’t. Remember when Beast Boy turned into a dog and got kidnapped by a child like alien? How about when Killer Moth blackmailed Robin into taking his daughter to her prom? Then there’s my personal favorite of the comedic episodes: Mother May I. When an evil witch hypnotizes the titans into thinking she’s their mother. I think most people remember that show because it knew how to balance its tone with each episode, but people seem to forget the sillier moments
Adventure time: *had good characters and funny jokes and a storyline* Cartoon Network: CANCELED NO MORE DO NOT SHOW THIS ANYMORE Teen titans go: *farts and makes butt jokes* Cartoon Network: we need to have this playing 24.7
We arnt asking for a Dark Show, or a fully serious show, and we arnt saying that ALL Cartoons to be mature. We just need two things. For reboots to RESPECT the source material (looking at you Teen Titans Go) and at the very least 2 or 3 MATURE shows. Mature doesn't Realy need to be Dark or Serious, hell they don't even have to have violence. But we're adults that grew up with badass cartoons like Ben 10 and Samuri Jack, and whilst those have violence in them, its not JUST action we want, we want the struggle the characters went through, and the genuine character moments that come with those moments. Like Ben Using the Omnitrix ia way a true 10 year old boy would, or jack working with the people of the future how you would expect. We need a few Animated Series that Work like these shows. Less and less animated shows are being as Up There like they were in the past. Kids do like Dark and gritty and comedy TOGETHER, But we don't want what they're giving us as of now because they, like you said, went full Goofball and swept all the Cool stuff under the rug. I do agree that Relatability is a strong necessity that is, well, necessary for good storytelling. But if you want to see a good example of what I'm talking about, look at the powerpuff girl reboot and compare it to the original. The reboot focuses on the downtime, and has the girls go to school, get sick, do raps, and some other stuff But the cool action and wit of the original series is why we watched it as kids. It was Visceral and colorful, and over all things, Creative Eh. I don't know. If anyone wants to start a disgussion here or tell me your opinions, go ahead. I'm glad to hear
Inigmian Studios teen titans go is a fantastic parody of the original they totally respect the source material. I love the episode were they met young justice that explained why both shows work
Like ravens dad is a silly fun loving guy they couldn't get it more wrong if they tried. It feels like something beast boy would make up to try and get a reaction out of raven
it's kinda telling when the ben 10 reboot is easily the best of the 3 (PPG2016 and TTG), it's not great, I'd say it's ok at best, but at least they're (mostly) not insulting the audience and given his circumstances (aka, max and gwen keeping him in check way less than in the original show,, which at least in max's case I don't like), ben at least feels like he's doing what a kid his age would do.
Gaming and Stuff I kinda like comedy that insults a makes fun of me. People need to be able to laugh at there favourite things it's weird that they can't
While I agree with your overall point (that developing great characters that one can sympathize or empathize with is better than making something edgy for the sake of being edgy), I disagree that Steven Universe is an example of the latter. In fact, I’d argue it probably takes more of the Hey Arnold approach since it’s mostly focused on character development and everyday scenarios while only occasionally advancing the fantastic (as in being fantasy, not a judgement on its quality) alien-related story.
It's a shame cartoons get a bad rap every so often, most people immediately categorize "cartoon" as simple kids entertainment just to keep them busy. But cartoons (to me personally) are another form of expressive art and story telling. It's the same with movies, comic books, novels, art itself and even legend (to some extent), creative ways to tell stories and benefit generations of people by having them connect with these characters as well as be inspired by them.
There needs to be a balance of drama and comedy; too much of one and not enough of the other ruins the show. Also, too many Western cartoons are geared solely towards children; cartoons need more diversity beyond the 5-16 year old demographic.
Great video Kuro, as always. And I pretty much agree with everything, watching shows like Hey Arnold or SpongeBob can have as many "serious" moments as shows like Ben 10 Ultimate Alien or Batman TAS. And characters do play a BIG part in the picture!
Like omniverse, it was light hearted show but had exceeded the limits of dark moments by letting destroy universe, Multiverse and letting have a child face depression and self regret
I don’t think people hate Teen Titans Go because it’s not dark and serious. They hate it because it has bad writing. People love lighthearted cartoons as well. Just look at Gravity Falls, that cartoon, while it has serious moments, is mostly very goofy and lighthearted, but people still love it because it’s well written.
I think you misunderstand the argument. People are arguing for more dark and grit. They're saying there's too much from the opposite side. based on your examples, this sounds like an outdated topic.
My most fav. And emotional scene is when... When ben transforms into all his aliens... He transformed so far since my childhood... In the last epdisode of Omniverse 😭😭❤️❤️❤️ It was touching
This video deserves way more views! I understood the point of this video and people should also understand that "Lighter and Childish does'nt make cartoon bad."
Great video, Kuro! You've got a lot of good points here. I will say though, I'm curious about your stance on diversity in animation and would like to see a video on the topic in the future.
You! bite! your! tongue! As teenage guys, dark and edgy is how we love our cartoons! On the other hand, thank you for bringing up relationship with characters. When I'm creating my script, I do try hard to fit my characters in with realistic situations as well, and not just dark and gritty things.
I know I am late, but I just wanted to say that you sir are splitting facts. I am glad you are looking at the bigger picture. I always knew that darkness, serious and maturity is NOT what makes a great cartoon or even a great entertainment content in general. I know for a fact that darkness, seriousness and maturity is NOT inappropriate for kids and isn't only for adults, because kids in general do love those stuffs and can literally handle than some teens and adults think they can. For example, Kid Cosmic is cartoon show aimed at kids, therefore it's kids cartoon show and there is nothing wrong with that. It was a great cartoon/kids cartoon show because it was made by people with passion, not the target audience nor the tone of the series, no just passion.
I think this problem primarily comes from people outgrowing the usual cartoon format, and instead of moving onto something more mature and more fitting to their grown taste, they instead request the cartoons change with them.
First name Last name Kye is right. The problem is that entire generations were raised on cartoons, and people assumed they were meant to grow out of them as a medium. Not only that, but unlike past generations, we have proof that the medium can be mature and tell stories worth watching as an adult, so we want more. It's nobody's fault, not the viewers or the creators. It's just that we, as a potential audience, are saying what would make us tune in to cartoon channels and hoping they will oblige.
It's not that I want shows to be dark and gritty. A little comedy can help take the edge off it all. Heck, Samurai Jack did this rather well. The problem is today; "comedy" (and I use the term loosely) seems to consist of farting, sexist behavior, dumbing down the characters, meme references and an overzealous use of shaming those that hate the property. LOOKING AT YOU, TTG CREATORS! Stuff like Looney Tunes, classic Simpsons, classic Family Guy...even Avatar: The Last Airbender did comedy splendidly. Either through mocking the enemies, displaying properly outrageous behavior towards dire situations and/or reveling in the fact that they are animated (mostly on Looney Tunes part.) What some people want, these days is not specifically a dark and gritty series. But one that has relatable situations, iconic heroes, adventurous stories and truly menacing villains
Nice. :) I agree, the characters are what is the main focus of the story, so if you have good and relate-able characters, then there is a good chance your story will do well. Also, next of Chapter of 5YL is almost done? AWESOME!!!!!!!
I agree with practically everything in this video, but I'd swap the word "relatable" for "understandable" or "sympathetic", the difference is slight, but the difference between "Oh yeah I've been through that" or "I understand why they're going through that" is empathy and sympathy. Even if I personally haven't gone through the struggles a character has, a well-written show and world can allow me to still feel for them with understanding why they feel that way beyond the viewer's personal experiences. Just a slight point but I feel it's worth saying. I also feel this can expand to characters in a more broad way, I know how to say, Thanos got the idea to snap half of everything out of existence, but I don't relate to having that, but I get where the idea, build up, and motivation came from. I understand why things are happening and when from the writing and storytelling.
I think there is something you horribly misunderstood. When people say they want shows to be "darker", this doesn't mean to show blood or murder or whatnot, but for the show to not be afraid to explore "dark" themes. That's why shows like the weekenders or hey Arnold were so popular, because they DID explore dark themes. Abandonment, mistreatment, substitute families, dealing with pressure, mental breakdowns ... all these are dark themes that were explored in these cartoons and that's what made them great. In contrast, shows like TTG fail because, while they do have dark things in them, they are played for shits and giggles, rather than explored in an understandable way. And that is not a new phenomenon, things have ALWAYS been this way. Even back in the 90's, plenty of cartoons were just mindless dribbles for kids, with the few standout shows that we remember today. Darker and more serious simply means "not shying away from exploring problems that characters have", which too many cartoons do. They gloss over potential gems in favor of keeping it light and fluffy - you know for the kids. The show miraculous ladybug is a good example of that. It's immensely popular and I love it too, but there are SO many things in there that could go from good to great if only the creators were less afraid to touch upon them. I don't need Adrien to be suicidal or anything, but I would like an episode or two that breaks away from the normal formula to explore what his broken home life does to him and how being Chat Noir gives him relief from that and allows him to be himself. It's there, in the show, almost every episode, but that's all there's to it; it's just there. It's very rarely touched upon and never really delved into, Break away from the effing "kid-friendly" formula and start exploring your characters problems and psyche's more. And yes, that does mean the show has to be "serious and darker". Just not in the way you described it. Also, animation was literally an art form until AFTER the Hannah-Barbera boom. It was very much taken seriously on a worldwide spectrum. As a matter of fact, before D.W. Griffith's first feature length films, animation was the only type of film coming out of the US that considered art and it stayed that way basically until every studio started copying Tex Avery. If you're going to talk about the history of animation, at least do your research.
Could'n say it better myself for example adventure time is a silly show however its mature because it deals with heavy subject matter such as regret,self expectance,aging,growing up,loss, mental illness,the struggle between security and isolation,imperfection accepting of others and self acceptance,and spirituality while not being over simplified or melodramatic
@@hypershadic3333 I think they pulled it off pretty well, although the DC animated movies were dark, and some times too dark, I don’t think Apokilips war was one of those times. The constant deaths of characters built up anticipation because in this movie anyone can die and the audience knows it, whilst a lot of the gore and brutality is just there for shock value, it really does hammer in the point that this is the end and anything can happen.
one of my personal favorite scenes is from the episode featuring baby doll from batman the animated series. part of what makes it so sad for me is the characters stories behind it: both of them have lost something. mary dahl was forced to live stuck in the body of a child, when she wanted to be normal-she lost stability she previously had on the show she was on. and then there’s batman, who’s lost his own family. i think that part of what makes it so emotional for me is that it’s so character driven-the characters may not necessarily be relatable for everyone, but they’re fleshed out.
Nah cartoons dont need to be dark. But if they started out serious/dark like say.... Thundercats and then because a studio decided they couldn't come up with a new show, they decide to take the I.p. and turn it into something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the original; That's where it puts a bad taste in people's mouth. It's no longer about the story, only the money a studio can make from it.
If seriousness and shock factors made something good, then Shadow the Hedgehog's game is a masterpiece. As much as I love the Sonic franchise, Shadow the Hedgehog is a pretty good example of this whole issue, as Shadow doesn't have any of his interesting and relatable factors he had in Sonic Adventure 2 and even Heroes and is just an edgy guy who swears and kills people. And yeah, I agree too many cartoons take things to the extreme with seriousness or comedy. There are some cartoons nowadays that do the balance well enough, but not nearly enough do. The main reason I love something like Teen Titans isn't because it was serious, but because there was that healthy balance between comedy and action which helped give each character a clearly defined personality that let you connect with them. The part that gets me the most about Teen Titans is that, unlike almost every other superhero thing, they remove all of the secret identity stuff, and STILL manage to make relatable characters, as the secret identity is often used to help make them more relatable by having them deal with school and whatnot. Spectacular Spider Man is a cartoon that does that, but it also weaves the superhero and secret identity stories and emotions together in such a way that you still know this is the same character, who still has the same core issues, yet he's essentially two different people with different problems at any given time. And yet, both of these issues play into each other so well.
You included almost every single cartoon which I used to watch during my childhood, and honestly if I find any episode of them I just can't stop myself from watching them. But I think you forgot to add "Courage and cowardly dog". Most people think they were scary, but they were funny.
I miss the only Ben 10, the Danny Phantom, and the old Teen Titans. When they rebooted them I was so sad cause it wasn’t for my age demographic anymore.
Good video, really opened up my opinions about the media I consume. Just please fix that little blue speck over your skull emblem... kept catching my eye every time it shrunk or got larger
To be honest, I really love the cartoon character of Doug, both versions from nickelodeon and Disney. Probably more the Disney one since I’m familiar with that company more that I am with nickelodeon. Doug seems to be a very reliable character as he is always looking out for his friends and just wants to impress the girl he really likes, Patti mayonnaise. I always found that to be relatable as I too was a awkward, shy but creative and confident person who grow up to be Caring and thoughtful of other’s feelings and ambitions in life.
For a prime example of this, The Legend of Korra is what happens when you take Avatar: The Last Airbender but make it dark and don't have good characters.
I should add, Korra does have a few good characters, but they're hardly ever the focus of the show. The main ensemble of Korra, Bolin, Mako, and Asami is terrible.
As someone who does say this a lot I just want a balance of comedy and action. If it’s two separate shows or 1 with both sides. I just think we need a balance ( also I’m 6 minutes into it and I just wanted to say what I think about it even if no one sees this)
Justice League, The Batman Shows, The Superman and other dc shows, The Marvel shows, The adventure time episodes with character development and SAMURAI JACK want to know your location
Gello! I was interested in seeing the video that you did with Butch Hartman about Danny Phantom, but I couldn´t find it on your page. Can you upload it again?
Kuro the Artist, I do agree with most of what you said, but I'm on the side that's been complaining about how cartoon channels (mainly Cartoon Network) has recently been producing nothing but comedy based shows and they're not even the good comedy. Shows like TTG and the 2016 reboot of the PPG are just watered down versions of the originals that are catered to kids 8 and under. I strongly believe that cartoon programs are supposed to have a variety of genres at anytime; too many cartoons with the same premise and genre might as well be the same show, but with different characters.
Shows like Teen Titans would thrive on other networks such as Netflix because then the revenue doesn’t have to primarily come from toy sales. This would also attract more teen and young adult viewers, which I would say, would be the target audience for these shows
Wayne Nelson I agree on this. The creators of the cartoons are adults and they love cartoons that are made for kids. Teen Titans has a click that’s unique while Teen Titans Go has no way to click with it. Sooner or later Teen Titans Go Fans will realize that they don’t remember TTG because of a cartoon or a reality TV show that connects with the audience will be better than that show. Who knows maybe a creator is already trying to make it.
Teen Titans mixed serious, dark and emotional stuff with funny and lighearted stuff perfectly and thats what i want in my shows most of the time instead of the shows being serious all the time or funny all the time.
Damn I'm really excited about the new Elf Detective show. Really happy that you work with Bitch and I have high hopes for it. Also very good video ! Really well scripted for a 1day project
I think when people say "Dark and gritty" they actually mean mature. Ben 10, Avatar the last airbender even shaolin showdown are like 75% fun and 25% serious themed, there needs to be a balance. The shows that i have listed above all have an established mythology and have good storytelling with action adventure and comedy in them. The cartoon we have on the air now are mostly just comedy, not to be taken seriously. There is nothing wrong with comedy shows, just saying there needs to be a balance of comedy and action shows.
I feel like we have some more actioned theme shows with more mature subject matter for example shows like adventure time,star v.s force of evil,bojack horseman,troll hunters,castlevania,the dragon prince etc are all shows that strike a balance between humor and dark moments
I like honestly like a little bit serious, comedy, relatable, smooth animation and enjoyable for mature and younger audience. (Sorry if I said to much)
I agree kuro... I like serious things... if it has things to do with character development like for a random example, Future Gohan's death causing Future Trunks to go ssj and makes you feel bad for him knowing that there's no way to revive him... it also makes him more determined to kill the androids
I think the reason people say that is because, at least in the West, cartoons are treated as just for kids. Also, a good character and a relatable character are not the same thing. A strong character can be relatable, but not all relatable characters are good characters, and not all good characters are relatable.
I think the reason why Kuro The Artist was saying that relatable characters are good characters is that every character, even one who is a terrible "person" needs to be relatable because you must find some way to see where they're coming from. Lex Luthor is a good example, even though he does terrible things all the time he has actual motivations. Like how he personally feels as if he is "saving" the Earth from Superman. That is why every character is the protagonist of their own story.
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I agree with the characters idea. Every person is a hero in his/her story.
this kinda explains my problem with the dmc fan base,some thing with a pathetic gameplay and character traits as nero is beloved for some reason,and i guess i should just accept it and move on.
For me personally, I believe that a good character must be passionate or motivated. well they don't necessarily have to be relatable, you want to know where they're coming from, whether or not you agree with where they're coming from. Tokyo Godfathers is a perfect example. The shows about three hobos during the week between Christmas and New Year's. before the plot begins, they practically accepted their place in life. They all have a past that they would rather run away from him be homeless if it means that they would never have to face their demons again. But then comes a baby that they find in a dumpster, a baby that one of them calls Hope. As they try to figure out who the the parents of the baby are and how she ended up in the dumpster, they are each forced to face their past, accept their mistakes, and move forward knowing that they forgive themselves. You can make the argument that these characters are not relatable as how they act between each other alone would make you glad that they're in their position. But as you learn where they come from and why they act the way they do to each other as well as themselves, you start to Hope that they can be better people and in turn have better lives. Their motivation to return the baby back to her parents is what makes them interesting, and thus, in my eyes, good characters.
It's almost like it's good writing that makes good shows.
Woah big brain
Woah my gosh
Yeah
Like Rick and Morty
The Episode
The Ricklantis Mixup
You mean like how in real life not every single moment is a joke or just super grim dark
I think a common thing is people are confusing real dialogue and growth with “darkness”. Not every cartoon is to have real conversations within the genre but certain cartoons such as the OG Titans, has those conversations. It one thing that made it relatable and great. Which is why there is such a divisive fan base when it comes to TT. It is necessarily that TTGo is bad it’s the fact that TTGo mocks the image of the TT that was waited for by so many fans who wanted to see conclusions to many stories that felt left on an open note without it being purposely left that way.
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Yes, I Totally Agree. So many People mistake Character Growth and actual Maturity with Edginess.
It would flanderize the characters. Did everyone forget that terra at the end wanted to be left alone and that the answer doesnt matter because it shouldn't matter?
@@wanderingoryx3710 that was the perfect ending to the show because if you think about it , it make a lot of sense
Shows never NEED to be dark. They just need to have good animation, characters, and most importantly, writing.
Wakko Warner the darkness isn't necessary.
Writing to me is only good when the writer has a wider grasp of the society their demographic is in, than what the market demands you to adhere to. Marketing something specific about a show or character is often much worse off than when a writer knows how to present something with their own awareness of concepts shown in the writing.
Shows never need to be light-hearted too
Exactlly. Let's face it a Superhero TV shoe is a Superhero show NOT some immature Pre-School they go out there they put on there suits, place there boots on the ground and they save the world. Just like The Men and Women in The Branch of Service. Hell I hated when Parent's act like Hypocrites.
They can be, but definitely not required.
Send this to the writers of the DCEU
icecream hero lol
They need to see this
Then Aquaman and Shazam! exist.
@icecream hero yep
@@felix4508 2 out 9 isnt very good
People mean mature when they say ‘Dark’ it’s because 50% of people still think cartoons are for kids. Exploring interesting themes and mature stuff, having a good story, having fleshed out characters we can relate are all important yet there’s still people out there who see cartoons as for kids and try to do just comedy. Comedy is fun but when the industry is oversaturated, people get bored
You act like kids want comedy from cartoons only when in reality, they do want something more than comedy, like action.
I’m waiting for the darker and grittier Cory in the house
the best anime ever is already perfect
@@bigbangpegasusmaster I've seen better
+David Martinez like Seinfeld?
@@nightwinggamer5366 Exactly!!! Now we're talkin
Cory in the ghetto
Basically, a show doesn't have to be Darker & Serious or Lighter & SIlly to be Badass. It just had to be Badass to be Badass. :P
It's almost as if networks forgot why the old cartoons where good
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Its because we are used to the dark and serious moments while kids are not as much.....And thats what cartoon network is,a kids channel.The era of 2000-2010 was great but changes have to come..may not be good or bad
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well im not gonna say the cleshey OLD CARTOONS WAS GOOD AND NEW CARTOONS IS BAD i wont say its bad because its trying to appeal to a new era like how it did in the early 2000-2011 and how it did and the 90s and 80s every set of cartoons is differnt because its trys to appeal what kids like and what kids like now is....dabs........and lets be honest he always had that one cartoon or movie that was boring for boring in the 90s was doug IMO and for the early 200s (where i grew up in) was all grown up....even tho i liked it alot of people thought it was boring and now its marvel spiderman things always change and i think the cartoons changed (and i count 2012 as early 200s because yeah)
@@spuburq can you explain more? idk what your trying to say
emotional weight + comedic levity = balance
People also confuse being dark with maturity. What makes the show mature isn't what's in it, but how those subjects and situations are treated. Take death for example. Death itself doesn't make something mature, it just means that death exists in the show. What matters is if death (the subject) is treated with maturity and respect. That truly what makes something mature.
What if people can be brought back to life in a show? Doesn't that lower the believability?
Wandering Oryx a lot. Especially if it is by a mcguffin that is overutilized cough cough dragon ball cough cough.
Andres Marrero but thats a silly fun show that people take seriously. Like wrestling.
Wandering Oryx I am just using it as an example and it's story telling has gotten pretty bad. But death there has no meaning, it has no weight, it cannot be taken with the seriousness and maturity that is required, because you can just bring them back with the mcguffin any damage can be undone. There can be no lasting impact or effect or consequence, because you got something that can undo all of that. You lose the sanctity of life, and that makes for a very bad story.
Andres Marrero did you mistake story for franchise?
Just because a catroon is "serious" or "edgy" doesn't mean it's good
*cough* Mr. Pickles *cough*
The Litch That's just slapstick, it's not serious at all.
muntu1221 Well it's slapstick that is not done well at all
Just because a "catroon" is "unable to take itself seriously" or "lighthearted" doesn't mean it's good
God Of Death who's Mr. Pickles
@@RedK5 a show on Adult Swim about a murderous dog called Mr Pickles. That's the gist of it at least.
Uncle grandpa was total trash for the first 4 seasons, but it was the fifth season was where it actually got watchable, when it seemed like the writers started caring. Don't get me wrong, it was still very odd, but, one day while watching an episode I noticed a common theme: The writers- the characters, in the show reinforce this idea that its OK to be, well, WEIRD. No one at a younger age likes being told they are weird and are shamed because of it, but Uncle Grandpa teaches you that YOU are YOU, and even if others view you as weird, its OK, because no one is in a sense, NORMAL, people just like to make you think that. The message really hit home with me, as I've been very conscious of my appearance and reputation throughout my whole life, Uncle Grandpa tries to show its perfectly fine to be different. Maybe I'm reading too much into but that's how I saw it.
Uncle Grandpa was always hit and miss. Some episodes are really funny others try too hard to be funny the funniest episode they ever did was when Pizza Steve and Uncle Grandpa get stuck on the escalator.
I haven't seen much of "Uncle Grandpa," but I remember its crossover with "Steven Universe" also had a similar message to what you described. Nonetheless, it's still good lesson.
Nope Mang A broken clock is right twice a day
Yeah uncle grandpa Had funny and shitty episodes
id give it a chance but
I hate how people confuse darkness with maturity
It's about a balance between good characters and a good plot. They don't need to be darker they just need to not treat kids like they're stupidity personified. If you don't baby talk a baby then it'll learn to speak faster and if you do it'll take more unnecessary years.
"You don't need an edgy show to be a good one just have some good f*cking writing"
-Some random guy in discord
Yeah I agree. Being dark doesn't make you show or movie good. Look at batman v superman. It's dark but that doesn't make it a good movie. In fact it has a tons of problems. A good show is a series filled with well written and relatable characters. Not all of them have to be relatable but having some relatable characters is one of the things that makes the show good. So great video kuro 👍.
Not everything needs to be dark or serious but I’d enjoy something of that nature just existing at all. I mean all I’m asking for is at least like... Xialoin Showdown level of seriousness i feel like that’s not asking that much for something of that level to at least exist along side the current amorphous comedy blob
You're correct for the most part, although I'll have to disagree that 'relatable = good'. I believe that it's possible for a character to relatable but 'poorly' written.
Although I don't this is exactly what you meant, since I could also say that all "good characters are relatable, but not all relatable characters are good", which makes more sense (at least to me) and seems like what you were going for.
At the same time however, a character's relatability is what offers the audience something to connect with - if the audience connects then that means they'll want to watch more, which is what any cartoon producer would want.
And the fact that he was saying teen Titans wasn’t popular
Villains are good characters but not relatable unless if they have a backstory to tell. Arthur Fleck, for example, is a good character who is sympathetic due to his mental health and a hard life, but not relatable because... of course he's the Joker -- a clown villain who committed multiple criminal activities and genocide towards others.
This has been a *Cartoons and How They Should Work* moment, made possible by *_Kuro The Artist_*
Everyone acts like the 2003 teen titans was pure dark and gritty when it wasn’t. Remember when Beast Boy turned into a dog and got kidnapped by a child like alien? How about when Killer Moth blackmailed Robin into taking his daughter to her prom? Then there’s my personal favorite of the comedic episodes: Mother May I. When an evil witch hypnotizes the titans into thinking she’s their mother.
I think most people remember that show because it knew how to balance its tone with each episode, but people seem to forget the sillier moments
Adventure time: *had good characters and funny jokes and a storyline*
Cartoon Network: CANCELED NO MORE DO NOT SHOW THIS ANYMORE
Teen titans go: *farts and makes butt jokes*
Cartoon Network: we need to have this playing 24.7
1. Adventure time had butt and fart jokes constantly
2. It barely had a storyline
We arnt asking for a Dark Show, or a fully serious show, and we arnt saying that ALL Cartoons to be mature. We just need two things. For reboots to RESPECT the source material (looking at you Teen Titans Go) and at the very least 2 or 3 MATURE shows. Mature doesn't Realy need to be Dark or Serious, hell they don't even have to have violence. But we're adults that grew up with badass cartoons like Ben 10 and Samuri Jack, and whilst those have violence in them, its not JUST action we want, we want the struggle the characters went through, and the genuine character moments that come with those moments. Like Ben Using the Omnitrix ia way a true 10 year old boy would, or jack working with the people of the future how you would expect. We need a few Animated Series that Work like these shows. Less and less animated shows are being as Up There like they were in the past. Kids do like Dark and gritty and comedy TOGETHER, But we don't want what they're giving us as of now because they, like you said, went full Goofball and swept all the Cool stuff under the rug.
I do agree that Relatability is a strong necessity that is, well, necessary for good storytelling. But if you want to see a good example of what I'm talking about, look at the powerpuff girl reboot and compare it to the original.
The reboot focuses on the downtime, and has the girls go to school, get sick, do raps, and some other stuff
But the cool action and wit of the original series is why we watched it as kids. It was Visceral and colorful, and over all things, Creative
Eh. I don't know. If anyone wants to start a disgussion here or tell me your opinions, go ahead. I'm glad to hear
Inigmian Studios teen titans go is a fantastic parody of the original they totally respect the source material. I love the episode were they met young justice that explained why both shows work
Like ravens dad is a silly fun loving guy they couldn't get it more wrong if they tried. It feels like something beast boy would make up to try and get a reaction out of raven
Daragh O'kane oh shit. That makes sence.
Now that I'm looking at it as a perody my hatred for the show has been dowsed Compleatly. Thankg bro
it's kinda telling when the ben 10 reboot is easily the best of the 3 (PPG2016 and TTG), it's not great, I'd say it's ok at best, but at least they're (mostly) not insulting the audience and given his circumstances (aka, max and gwen keeping him in check way less than in the original show,, which at least in max's case I don't like), ben at least feels like he's doing what a kid his age would do.
Gaming and Stuff I kinda like comedy that insults a makes fun of me. People need to be able to laugh at there favourite things it's weird that they can't
When you said "STOP" at the beginning of the video, my screen paused...
While I agree with your overall point (that developing great characters that one can sympathize or empathize with is better than making something edgy for the sake of being edgy), I disagree that Steven Universe is an example of the latter. In fact, I’d argue it probably takes more of the Hey Arnold approach since it’s mostly focused on character development and everyday scenarios while only occasionally advancing the fantastic (as in being fantasy, not a judgement on its quality) alien-related story.
RIP Dwayne Mcduffy..... The guy that got me interested in Static shock
It's a shame cartoons get a bad rap every so often, most people immediately categorize "cartoon" as simple kids entertainment just to keep them busy. But cartoons (to me personally) are another form of expressive art and story telling. It's the same with movies, comic books, novels, art itself and even legend (to some extent), creative ways to tell stories and benefit generations of people by having them connect with these characters as well as be inspired by them.
There needs to be a balance of drama and comedy; too much of one and not enough of the other ruins the show. Also, too many Western cartoons are geared solely towards children; cartoons need more diversity beyond the 5-16 year old demographic.
Great video Kuro, as always. And I pretty much agree with everything, watching shows like Hey Arnold or SpongeBob can have as many "serious" moments as shows like Ben 10 Ultimate Alien or Batman TAS. And characters do play a BIG part in the picture!
Like omniverse, it was light hearted show but had exceeded the limits of dark moments by letting destroy universe, Multiverse and letting have a child face depression and self regret
Darkness and edgyness, is anime
there are light-hearted anime too though (yokai watch and pokemon would be some examples)
NFF FS that is not exactly true. They do balance comedy, action, dark and gritty scenes.
I don’t think people hate Teen Titans Go because it’s not dark and serious. They hate it because it has bad writing. People love lighthearted cartoons as well. Just look at Gravity Falls, that cartoon, while it has serious moments, is mostly very goofy and lighthearted, but people still love it because it’s well written.
I think you misunderstand the argument. People are arguing for more dark and grit. They're saying there's too much from the opposite side. based on your examples, this sounds like an outdated topic.
DrakeVagabond there needs to be a balence.
One causes the other
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My most fav. And emotional scene is when... When ben transforms into all his aliens... He transformed so far since my childhood... In the last epdisode of Omniverse
😭😭❤️❤️❤️ It was touching
This has to be my favourite video of yours to date.
This video deserves way more views!
I understood the point of this video and people should also understand that "Lighter and Childish does'nt make cartoon bad."
Great video, Kuro!
You've got a lot of good points here.
I will say though, I'm curious about your stance on diversity in animation and would like to see a video on the topic in the future.
Amazing well-edited and eye opening video!
Underrated channel. You should have at least 100,000 subs.
You! bite! your! tongue! As teenage guys, dark and edgy is how we love our cartoons! On the other hand, thank you for bringing up relationship with characters. When I'm creating my script, I do try hard to fit my characters in with realistic situations as well, and not just dark and gritty things.
As always, wonderful video!
I know I am late, but I just wanted to say that you sir are splitting facts. I am glad you are looking at the bigger picture. I always knew that darkness, serious and maturity is NOT what makes a great cartoon or even a great entertainment content in general. I know for a fact that darkness, seriousness and maturity is NOT inappropriate for kids and isn't only for adults, because kids in general do love those stuffs and can literally handle than some teens and adults think they can. For example, Kid Cosmic is cartoon show aimed at kids, therefore it's kids cartoon show and there is nothing wrong with that. It was a great cartoon/kids cartoon show because it was made by people with passion, not the target audience nor the tone of the series, no just passion.
If you and Super Eyepatch Wolf did a crossover, it'd be the best video EVER!!!!!!!
Amazing Video Kuro love you my dude
No Fart Jokes
I think this problem primarily comes from people outgrowing the usual cartoon format, and instead of moving onto something more mature and more fitting to their grown taste, they instead request the cartoons change with them.
No, the problem is a lack of diversity. If you only having doughnuts to eat for a month. You probably get sick of them.
First name Last name Kye is right. The problem is that entire generations were raised on cartoons, and people assumed they were meant to grow out of them as a medium. Not only that, but unlike past generations, we have proof that the medium can be mature and tell stories worth watching as an adult, so we want more.
It's nobody's fault, not the viewers or the creators. It's just that we, as a potential audience, are saying what would make us tune in to cartoon channels and hoping they will oblige.
@@muntu1221 Agreed.
Thanks for the inspiration Kuro! Can't wait for Elf Detective and for more 5YL!
0:12 this pic goes hard feel free to take a screenshot
Drake and Josh was my jam. A really great show.
Quantum Ranger 99 no we need a darker and grittier drake and josh lol
Dark and josh
It's not that I want shows to be dark and gritty. A little comedy can help take the edge off it all. Heck, Samurai Jack did this rather well.
The problem is today; "comedy" (and I use the term loosely) seems to consist of farting, sexist behavior, dumbing down the characters, meme references and an overzealous use of shaming those that hate the property.
LOOKING AT YOU, TTG CREATORS!
Stuff like Looney Tunes, classic Simpsons, classic Family Guy...even Avatar: The Last Airbender did comedy splendidly. Either through mocking the enemies, displaying properly outrageous behavior towards dire situations and/or reveling in the fact that they are animated (mostly on Looney Tunes part.)
What some people want, these days is not specifically a dark and gritty series. But one that has relatable situations, iconic heroes, adventurous stories and truly menacing villains
Nice. :) I agree, the characters are what is the main focus of the story, so if you have good and relate-able characters, then there is a good chance your story will do well.
Also, next of Chapter of 5YL is almost done? AWESOME!!!!!!!
I agree with practically everything in this video, but I'd swap the word "relatable" for "understandable" or "sympathetic", the difference is slight, but the difference between "Oh yeah I've been through that" or "I understand why they're going through that" is empathy and sympathy. Even if I personally haven't gone through the struggles a character has, a well-written show and world can allow me to still feel for them with understanding why they feel that way beyond the viewer's personal experiences. Just a slight point but I feel it's worth saying. I also feel this can expand to characters in a more broad way, I know how to say, Thanos got the idea to snap half of everything out of existence, but I don't relate to having that, but I get where the idea, build up, and motivation came from. I understand why things are happening and when from the writing and storytelling.
I'm surprised you don't cover more cartoons but I'm guessing you're very busy with the series you're producing on the channel and your comic.
I think there is something you horribly misunderstood. When people say they want shows to be "darker", this doesn't mean to show blood or murder or whatnot, but for the show to not be afraid to explore "dark" themes. That's why shows like the weekenders or hey Arnold were so popular, because they DID explore dark themes. Abandonment, mistreatment, substitute families, dealing with pressure, mental breakdowns ... all these are dark themes that were explored in these cartoons and that's what made them great. In contrast, shows like TTG fail because, while they do have dark things in them, they are played for shits and giggles, rather than explored in an understandable way. And that is not a new phenomenon, things have ALWAYS been this way. Even back in the 90's, plenty of cartoons were just mindless dribbles for kids, with the few standout shows that we remember today. Darker and more serious simply means "not shying away from exploring problems that characters have", which too many cartoons do. They gloss over potential gems in favor of keeping it light and fluffy - you know for the kids.
The show miraculous ladybug is a good example of that. It's immensely popular and I love it too, but there are SO many things in there that could go from good to great if only the creators were less afraid to touch upon them. I don't need Adrien to be suicidal or anything, but I would like an episode or two that breaks away from the normal formula to explore what his broken home life does to him and how being Chat Noir gives him relief from that and allows him to be himself. It's there, in the show, almost every episode, but that's all there's to it; it's just there. It's very rarely touched upon and never really delved into, Break away from the effing "kid-friendly" formula and start exploring your characters problems and psyche's more. And yes, that does mean the show has to be "serious and darker". Just not in the way you described it.
Also, animation was literally an art form until AFTER the Hannah-Barbera boom. It was very much taken seriously on a worldwide spectrum. As a matter of fact, before D.W. Griffith's first feature length films, animation was the only type of film coming out of the US that considered art and it stayed that way basically until every studio started copying Tex Avery. If you're going to talk about the history of animation, at least do your research.
That's exactly what this video is about.
Could'n say it better myself for example adventure time is a silly show however its mature because it deals with heavy subject matter such as regret,self expectance,aging,growing up,loss, mental illness,the struggle between security and isolation,imperfection accepting of others and self acceptance,and spirituality while not being over simplified or melodramatic
DCEU really needs to watch this.
Tbh I think dc in general because I seen a movie called justice league dark apocalypse war and it was edgy and it was wired to
@@hypershadic3333 I think they pulled it off pretty well, although the DC animated movies were dark, and some times too dark, I don’t think Apokilips war was one of those times.
The constant deaths of characters built up anticipation because in this movie anyone can die and the audience knows it, whilst a lot of the gore and brutality is just there for shock value, it really does hammer in the point that this is the end and anything can happen.
one of my personal favorite scenes is from the episode featuring baby doll from batman the animated series. part of what makes it so sad for me is the characters stories behind it: both of them have lost something. mary dahl was forced to live stuck in the body of a child, when she wanted to be normal-she lost stability she previously had on the show she was on. and then there’s batman, who’s lost his own family. i think that part of what makes it so emotional for me is that it’s so character driven-the characters may not necessarily be relatable for everyone, but they’re fleshed out.
Nah cartoons dont need to be dark. But if they started out serious/dark like say.... Thundercats and then because a studio decided they couldn't come up with a new show, they decide to take the I.p. and turn it into something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the original; That's where it puts a bad taste in people's mouth. It's no longer about the story, only the money a studio can make from it.
Great video Kuro
No it needs darkness only we need both of light and darkness
If seriousness and shock factors made something good, then Shadow the Hedgehog's game is a masterpiece. As much as I love the Sonic franchise, Shadow the Hedgehog is a pretty good example of this whole issue, as Shadow doesn't have any of his interesting and relatable factors he had in Sonic Adventure 2 and even Heroes and is just an edgy guy who swears and kills people.
And yeah, I agree too many cartoons take things to the extreme with seriousness or comedy. There are some cartoons nowadays that do the balance well enough, but not nearly enough do.
The main reason I love something like Teen Titans isn't because it was serious, but because there was that healthy balance between comedy and action which helped give each character a clearly defined personality that let you connect with them. The part that gets me the most about Teen Titans is that, unlike almost every other superhero thing, they remove all of the secret identity stuff, and STILL manage to make relatable characters, as the secret identity is often used to help make them more relatable by having them deal with school and whatnot.
Spectacular Spider Man is a cartoon that does that, but it also weaves the superhero and secret identity stories and emotions together in such a way that you still know this is the same character, who still has the same core issues, yet he's essentially two different people with different problems at any given time. And yet, both of these issues play into each other so well.
Ah, another great kuro video!
your way of donig justice is beautiful
to be honest I prefer this kind of video more than you interview videos
Thank yoh for this video everyone needs to see this
You included almost every single cartoon which I used to watch during my childhood, and honestly if I find any episode of them I just can't stop myself from watching them.
But I think you forgot to add "Courage and cowardly dog".
Most people think they were scary, but they were funny.
It was a Classic ❤
Hell I watch that and it's amazing
@@jamesaaron8578 Indeed it is
A great example of a not dark show is bluey which is light hearted and just fun but show anyone can enjoy
I miss the only Ben 10, the Danny Phantom, and the old Teen Titans. When they rebooted them I was so sad cause it wasn’t for my age demographic anymore.
It would get boring for me if a cartoon only have laughter and jokes
Dceu fans be like: 6:53
almost didn't click on the video because of the thumbnail, but glad I watched it.
What you said is 100% FACT
Invader zim fucked me up as a kid I had nightmares for years
Good video, really opened up my opinions about the media I consume. Just please fix that little blue speck over your skull emblem... kept catching my eye every time it shrunk or got larger
"Of course; I'm part robot."
Cracks me up everytime.
To be honest, I really love the cartoon character of Doug, both versions from nickelodeon and Disney. Probably more the Disney one since I’m familiar with that company more that I am with nickelodeon. Doug seems to be a very reliable character as he is always looking out for his friends and just wants to impress the girl he really likes, Patti mayonnaise. I always found that to be relatable as I too was a awkward, shy but creative and confident person who grow up to be Caring and thoughtful of other’s feelings and ambitions in life.
I love your channel kuro.
For a prime example of this, The Legend of Korra is what happens when you take Avatar: The Last Airbender but make it dark and don't have good characters.
I should add, Korra does have a few good characters, but they're hardly ever the focus of the show. The main ensemble of Korra, Bolin, Mako, and Asami is terrible.
As someone who does say this a lot I just want a balance of comedy and action. If it’s two separate shows or 1 with both sides. I just think we need a balance ( also I’m 6 minutes into it and I just wanted to say what I think about it even if no one sees this)
For the part about “realateable characters” and “realateable story’s” you should have talked about spectacular Spider-Man.
Justice League, The Batman Shows, The Superman and other dc shows, The Marvel shows, The adventure time episodes with character development and SAMURAI JACK want to know your location
Best vid to date kuro
Gello! I was interested in seeing the video that you did with Butch Hartman about Danny Phantom, but I couldn´t find it on your page. Can you upload it again?
Just wondering, what was the music used at the start? the one with the jazz-esque style
Kuro the Artist, I do agree with most of what you said, but I'm on the side that's been complaining about how cartoon channels (mainly Cartoon Network) has recently been producing nothing but comedy based shows and they're not even the good comedy. Shows like TTG and the 2016 reboot of the PPG are just watered down versions of the originals that are catered to kids 8 and under. I strongly believe that cartoon programs are supposed to have a variety of genres at anytime; too many cartoons with the same premise and genre might as well be the same show, but with different characters.
What? A children's network making programming dedicated to children? The nerve!
Here’s a suggestion. How about moving on to anime?
@@vendaboi8652 cartoons posts to be for Kids it all ways was
Shows like Teen Titans would thrive on other networks such as Netflix because then the revenue doesn’t have to primarily come from toy sales. This would also attract more teen and young adult viewers, which I would say, would be the target audience for these shows
it's Kids who are the targets audience not us
I'm don't think it should be darker and serious but teen Titans is better than teen Titans go
Wayne Nelson I agree on this. The creators of the cartoons are adults and they love cartoons that are made for kids. Teen Titans has a click that’s unique while Teen Titans Go has no way to click with it. Sooner or later Teen Titans Go Fans will realize that they don’t remember TTG because of a cartoon or a reality TV show that connects with the audience will be better than that show. Who knows maybe a creator is already trying to make it.
Teen Titans mixed serious, dark and emotional stuff with funny and lighearted stuff perfectly and thats what i want in my shows most of the time instead of the shows being serious all the time or funny all the time.
A little darkness and seriousness wouldn’t hurt
What was the first song that played? (Great video by the way)
Would you believe the original ending of Pigeon Man from Hey Arnold would have had Pigeon Man committing suicide? Thank God the writers said no.
Very interesting!! Would you mind if I cited this video as a source for my paper?
Tnx for explaining that cartoons just need a lot of work to do..It doesn't need to be dark to be great!
Damn I'm really excited about the new Elf Detective show. Really happy that you work with Bitch and I have high hopes for it.
Also very good video ! Really well scripted for a 1day project
I was waiting for him to say Ben10
I remember my teenhood of the 2000s. the cartoons had the best action of that time. I believe it could happen again someday.
I think when people say "Dark and gritty" they actually mean mature. Ben 10, Avatar the last airbender even shaolin showdown are like 75% fun and 25% serious themed, there needs to be a balance. The shows that i have listed above all have an established mythology and have good storytelling with action adventure and comedy in them. The cartoon we have on the air now are mostly just comedy, not to be taken seriously. There is nothing wrong with comedy shows, just saying there needs to be a balance of comedy and action shows.
I feel like we have some more actioned theme shows with more mature subject matter for example shows like adventure time,star v.s force of evil,bojack horseman,troll hunters,castlevania,the dragon prince etc are all shows that strike a balance between humor and dark moments
Ow the edge, Also nice video m8
I like honestly like a little bit serious, comedy, relatable, smooth animation and enjoyable for mature and younger audience.
(Sorry if I said to much)
Great video!
I agree kuro...
I like serious things... if it has things to do with character development like for a random example, Future Gohan's death causing Future Trunks to go ssj and makes you feel bad for him knowing that there's no way to revive him... it also makes him more determined to kill the androids
Kuro,I am planning on making a Miles Morales Spiderman & RWBY crossover, any advice?
I’ll agree but I don’t think the og teen titans got cancelled because it was dark I think was another reason