Review: Mezz Ignite Carbon Fiber Shaft // Deflection & Sound Tests
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- Carbon fiber shafts have exploded in the pool world since its debut. With professionals such as Shane Van Boening and Jeffery Deluna switching over to carbon fiber shafts, many pool players have also followed suit. I’m actually super excited to test the Mezz Ignite shaft. Mezz is one of my all time favorite cue manufacturers because they produce some of the highest quality and best hitting low deflection cues in the market. Since there aren’t many video reviews out on this shaft, I really hope this review will help you decide whether to buy it or not.
Time stamps:
0:00 - Introduction
0:42 - What's in the box?
1:21 - Mezz Ignite Shaft Specs
2:46 - Test Hits / Sound Test
3:35 - Deflection Test
4:29 - Flex & Vibration Test
4:55 - Ignite Shaft Demonstration
5:52 - Summary & Overall Thoughts
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Special thanks to: Kazunori Miki for sending me this demo cue & Ignite shaft to review for everyone!
Disclaimer:
Mezz cues sent me this demo cue & Ignite shaft to review for everyone. The demo cue & Ignite shaft will be sent back to Mezz cues. This video is not sponsored. Everything in this video is purely my opinion and personal feelings about the Ignite shaft.
Deflection tests performed in this video was not scientific. Deflection can vary depending on table/equipment conditions, speed/power when striking the cue ball, where you strike the cue ball and more. Table conditions, humidity, balls, different cue tips, chalk (etc.) all play a role in affecting the results of the test. Test was performed on a 7ft Diamond table to the best of my ability at the time.
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Great review! I have an Ignite on the way and now I feel confident in my purchase because of you 🙏 great stuff!!!!
It's a great shaft!
This changed my mind from buying revo to switching cue to Mezz and Ignite combo lol.
After playing for a bit, definitely enjoyed the hit and feel. However I find myself missing more, especially the rail shot, because I was used to playing with 11.5 tip (modified Z) for so long. Will take time to adjust but it’s a fun cue combo
I was just researching about which carbon cue should I buy, and you just released the video😂🎱❤️
So many great options!
I have a review on the Rogue shaft too if you wanted to check that out:
czcams.com/video/jSjwZ3KquI0/video.html
Awesome review! I can tell you are refining your skills with your reviews and are better with every video.
Thank you so much @Pool Addiction, looking forward to watching new videos from you!
@@TheBilliardCorner now that you have a daimond table, can you do a review of the newer revos?
Dude.. your reviews are so high quality. wow..
I appreciate it Benjamin! 8-10 hours to film, 4-7 days to edit.
Thanks for your review! I ended up getting a Mezz CP21MD with an ignite after watching your review!
How is your cue? Is it same if the butt end was made of maple?
Man, I’m going to miss the premiere, I’ll have to watch it later today.
No worries!
Good job on the review - well done
Wow thank you! Love your channel
The Billiard Corner Thanks - keep up your good work
more than ten yrs ago, the paddle/racket of a table tennis introduced the new innovative carbon fiber made.... but many still want and use the classic wood. but I think on cue sticks carbon fiber made have so many advantages and hope it maintains the feel effect of it.
You do great videos!
Thanks for the support
Excelente revisión!
Thank you!
They should let you keep it, I'm pretty sure you helped them sell a few with this
He should not do any more reviews to items that he don’t keep after. This is one of the top rules
素晴らしい分析✨‼️
道具の性能面を把握してから使い込む事が
大切だと思います。
I thought you uploaded it I was so ready and then I saw that it said Premieres in 6 hours 😂😂
Soon! 😂😂😂
yo. what do you think how becue engage is holding up against mezz ignite? because I was gonna buy the ignite with uniloc, but mezz doesn't even make ignite with uniloc anymore. so one of my options is the becue. your becue review got me convinced because it seemed to have very little deflection. maybe even less than ignite has (?)
This pushed me over the line. Buying the Ignite over the Siege. Thanks
good choice
There he is!!!
People are asking me to review my Predator Revo, which I'll eventually do. At 2:21, you can see the difference in the shade of black between the shaft and the butt of the cue. The Revo is basically the same thing which is the first thing I didn't really like. It would've been great if the shade of black was the same as the butt of the cue.
Would love to see a review on the Revo by you!
From what I've seen the Pechauer Rogue is the darkest carbon fiber shaft there is. Is that an accurate observation?
I got rly obsessed with mezz ignite after watched your review that later I got my very own ignite, second-hand of course. it's by far the best carbon fiber shaft I tried, among which I own a predator revo 12.4 and a pechauer rogue, and my friend's cuetec synergy. it's got the most instant feedback, the firmest hit and lowest deflection (at least to my feeling). The shaft is a bit heavier than others, so every stroke is effortless, just gently send the cue out and let it do the rest. and the cue ball will get there as you intended. Can't believe it's so underrated. Thank you for sharing your honest review. I'm happy about it. Please keep posting interesting clips like this!
Hey Oliver
I habe a question for you please.
I have never had a Carbon shaft,just qood.
Whats the Difference between these shafts?
Its like the wood one or its better? Do you preffer this shaft over wood?
Thanks
@@arijano82 @Arijano A Hi Ari. Your question was quite hard to answer. These carbon fibre shafts are of different qualities, e.g. in balance, diameter, material, taper etc. Also, with different butts and different cue tips, they would differ quite dramatically. Your way of stroke would also affect your preference of one over the others.
After a few months of playing with these shafts , I ended up with Pechuaer Rogue as my main shaft, and a Revo 12.4 as a spare. Main reason is that the Rogue shaft hits more like a wooden one, which allows me to "over hit" the cue ball with less energy goes into it. In other words, it's easier to execute positional shot. Revo on the other hand will allow me to do the same with less effort, however it's trickier for me to control my stroke therefore the cue ball.
My suggestion is that, if you are unhappy with your wooden shafts, Revo 12.9 would be a good starting point. it's stiff, accurate, low deflection, allows you to execute extreme shots easily. but the most important thing in this game is your technique, way more than any equipment. BUT always try before you buy.
Hoping this can help. 😀
@@longoliver5842 thank you very much
Problem is that i can not try them,
I have a meucci now but i think its time to have a proper cue
@@arijano82 Well, in this case I'll describe my feelings to each of the shafts for you. BUT remember the feeling is quite personal so you may not feel excactly the same as I did.
Revo 12.4 is the stiffest, with the least deflection. However it doesn't allow much of " error " when hitting the cue ball because a minor inaccuracy can be magnified to a huge miss-hit to the object ball. Ruthless, if you may. If you are an advanced player with above average cueing, the shaft will make you a better positional shot maker.
Revo 12.9 is more suitable for an entry level palyer with a bit more deflection than the 12.4. It accommodates imperfect cueing better, and with larger diameter your stroke power delivery is easier.
Mezz ignite is quite unique, as it comes in 12.5 in diameter, and its taper is different with Revo. The stiffness and deflection are similar to REVO. BUT it comes with mezz's joint, which are not compatible to other cue brands.
Rogue hits a little bit softer with a sound similar to wooden shafts, which I like. The shaft is made of mixed fibers other than pure carbon fiber, which has wider range of imperfect cueing tolerance.
My suggestion is to buy used shafts instead of new ones, to minimize your cost of trying. Hope you get your perfect cue soon~ 😃
i think what it is that mezz dont bother with huge marketing like predator which is why its underrated but once you play with it it is a lot more powerful than any other cue i agree with the tip thing a kamui black clear soft is much better than a medium
I'd like to see a review of the Viking Stealth shaft. It's available in 12.25, 12.50 and 12.75.
Would you say the deflection is lower, higher, or around the same at the revo 12.4? also is the taper easy to control being its 12.2, I have hit with a Jacoby blak and really wasn't a fan of that huge ling taper at 12.3...
Have you tried the Viking Siege CF shafts? I am in the market for a new cue and don’t know which way to go. I’ve always played OB but their recent quality control issues have made me decide against them
Thanks for this review. Could you also test Whyte Carbon Wood Grain carbon fiber shaft please?
Looks like a great shaft and from what i've heard, highly recommended. Only issue is do they only make like to 3 shafts a year? Always sold out everywhere lol
Hi there, i wanna ask which carbon shaft is feel the best for you bro?
Im curious what the size of your pool table you are using?
hi i am getting my own 183 this Saturday with carbon shaft cant wait i had to wait 2 years for stock finally arrived in NZ
congrats!
Buongiorno.... Tra un revo 12.4 e ignite chi ha la deflessione minore? Hai fatto una comparazione? Grazie che sono in dubbio se acquistare Revo o ignite...grazieeee e buon gioco
Can you do a review on the meucci carbon fiber shafts. Thank you.
Have you looked at or considered testing the Meucci Carbon Fiber Pro?
Wish you could have made a video on the ACE cue looks beautiful.
The Mezz Ace cue was a fantastic cue. Fit and finish was top notch! Sadly sent it back to Mezz in Japan because it was a demo cue.
hey dude I reed youre coment on Briana's video and glad you enjoy her video ;)
Could you do a review of the defy shaft 12.5?
Cheers! Will there be a chance to test the shaft "Defy of McDermott" ? Congratulations for your excellent channel.
Went to the shop to buy it, tried it out and put it back. Did not like it at all...
I just watched all your carbon fiber shaft videos, and I was wondering if you were planning to do a review on the McDermott defy shaft. I can't find any good reviews for that shaft.
I'm posting the Jacoby black shaft review soon. Almost done editing. I have contacted Mcdermott about a demo shaft but haven't received any response. I'll try contacting them again as I know many are interested in the Defy shaft.
I have heard to go up a level in hardness with carbon fiber shafts. I currently use a Kamui Black SS tip. Would you recommend a Kamui Black Soft tip for the Mezz Ignite?
All preference. I personally like the Kamui Black Soft better than the SS.
Also was the first clip of you shooting with a Revo or something cuz that sounded really funny but the next few clips sounded fine...
All Ignite in this video.
Great review! What is the length of the pro taper on this shaft? Mezz does not provide the info on their website.
I have been trying to figure this out too. Wanting to compare to the Jacoby Black.
Just curious have you ever used a McDermott Defy CF shaft or a Meucci CF shafts? And if you have, how do you rate them on a deflection, feel and sound on impact?
I've never had a chance to try one
Hey mate love from Australia, does the white ‘ferrule’ actually make a difference in sighting when you’re down in shooting position? Contemplating between the white and black vault plate revos as I prefer the bvp but don’t know if my judgement when shooting will be as consistent as the playing with the wvp. Cheers.
Hey Michael! The white vault plate is rather minimal when you are down in a shooting position in my opinion. If you have a low stance (chin to cue), then you will barley see it. If you have a high stance (Minnesota Fats style), then you will be able to see it. Lots of players like the white vault plate because its familiar to them. I personally can use both with no issues. In my opinion, the black shaft has a lot of contrast to the white cue ball. Thanks for the love and support!
I use the ferrule as a visual while I’m lining up. I got an OB shaft with the laminated wood ferrule and I kept accidentally tapping the cue ball. Had to switch back to a white ferrule
Are you going to do more of these types of reviews like jacoby black shaft and others
Yes :)
I appreciate your reviews. I currently play the mezz wx700 on their purple heart sneaky. Would you say the ignite has slightly lower deflection than the wx700? I like it but would like a shaft with a little more power and a little less deflection, and seems like the ignite may be it. Thanks. Look forward to more of your videos
I use to own both the WD700 and WX700. The Ignite does seem to have lower deflection. I think the Ignite would be a great choice for you. Keep in mind the Ignite is only available in 12.2mm and you will have to get use to the smaller diameter coming from the WX700. Thanks for watching Todd!
@@TheBilliardCorner is wx700 good enough? What is the equivalent if compared to predator brand shafts?
@@selrahcnoved no comparison, mezz is much stiffer and higher quality. Wx700 is pretty good but I would go with the hybrid pro 2 or ignite
@@TheBilliardCorner i am now playing with mezz cp13cm with cuetec cynergy 12.5mm. i also have the wx700 as a backup shaft. Do you think ignite is better compared to cynergy or maybe you can share pros and cons between the two? Thanks in advance sirr
@@selrahcnoved There isn’t a shaft that is “better” because everyone has their own style and preferences. The Ignite is stiffer, lower deflection and has a crisper, sharp type of hit. The downside is the Ignite is less forgiving.
The Cuetec has a more comfortable pro taper (which makes it less stiff), has a softer hit and is more forgiving.
I personally like the Ignite more for my play style.
What’s your Fargo? Thanks
How is it comparing to Rogue shaft? Im pretty happy with my new Rogue but still considering getting a mezz ignite for the spare
Rogue:
Many joint and diameter options
Softer tonky hit
Easy to control
Ignite:
Only available in United and Wavy
Only 12.2mm
Crispy hit
Very powerful
Both are great shafts that offer their own unique features and characteristics.
Check out my Rogue review on my channel if you want more info:
czcams.com/video/jSjwZ3KquI0/video.html
I wouldn’t want you to waste a lot of tome with a similar video but could you attempt to state an order for the deflection for all the carbon shafts you’ve tried? I would be just curious how they all ranked in your experience
For me, the million dollar question is whether you can change tips yourself if you don't have a lathe or access to a "cue guy". The Cuetec I have seems designed for people like me with razor blades and sandpaper - the ferrule is forgiving. The Revo seems less friendly to the traditional approach and Predator suggests sending it to an expert - no good IMO. Any word on where the Ignite fits in for us home tip changers?
Honestly, I do not possess the skills nor equipment to change tips and could not give you a good answer. I have always taken my cues to a professional for tip changes.
Did the shadt produce a sound when you were stroking the ball ? Was it similar to the jacobi ?
Yes small sound
How about revo shaft 12.4 vs ignite
I know Jeff had signed with mezz but I think he's still using JFlowers now since he switched over
Sounds like you prefer the ignite overall vs the revo...rogue or black? I thought the black was up there for u also
I tend to reach for the Ignite more for the power on 9ft tables. The black is high up on the list though. Offers greater feel and feedback.
Does anyone know where can I buy one at..?
Has there been an update to this review since Mezz is now offering other joints? What is the weight of these shafts??
Weight of the shaft can vary depending on joint. When I ordered from Mezz USA I specifically asked for a heavier one in United joint. I haven’t tested the other Ignite shafts with the new joints. I’d imagine they wills be similar.
Does anyone have tried the fury carbon shaft? Just wondering the comparations with others like cuetec, revo etc
Have yet to try the Fury
Hi can i asked k u a question pls about mezz and meucci which brand is better I hope u reply me as soon as possible thankyou
Mezz
Tiger fortis pro 12 mm carbon shaft. Please give your review to this, your reviews are the best
✅
Been trying, Tiger not replying.
@@TheBilliardCornertried revo, ignite, cynergy, mcdermott defy .
Tiger feels better than all, it’s little bit more expensive than all the rest but i say worth it
I have a question. I have the cuetec carbon 11.8. But i want a new shaft with a bigger taper. Only not to big. Cuetec only has 12.5 and i was thinking about a 12.2 like the ignite 12.2. But now the question, do they play very different? Because i dont know wich one to buy. Im scared the ignite will play very different because im so used to cuetec now. So it will be the ignite or the cuetec 12.5. I hope you know the answer
The ignite will play different. The Ignite is lower deflection than the cuetec and offers more feel and feedback. The taper is also different. Ignite taper is stiffer while the cuetec has a longer extended pro taper. The cuetec brand new has a sniper tip which gives a softer hit. While the ignite has a zan tip which is more crispy and sharp hit. I feel the ignite also offers more power.
If you’re use to the cuetec and don’t want change then stick with a cuetec. My personal opinion, I like the ignite better but everyone has their own preferences.
Thanks for watching my videos
Hmm. Then i dont think i will buy the ignite. What about the jacoby black? Does that one play almost the same as the cuetec or the revo? Btw thanks for the fast answer on my question
@@genejoe Practically every shaft on the market has its own unique characteristics and plays different. Essentially you will have to choose what qualities you want. If you’re after the same exact hit as your current cuetec I would recommend you get another cuetec.
No problem, free free to shoot any questions you have. Make sure to watch my other shaft reviews to get an idea of how each carbon shaft differs.
How can I get one from Japan?
Looks like it deflects more than a 12.9 revo at .7mm smaller. Nice review
Deflection felt very close, I'll do a side by side comparing them soon.
Smaller tips give lower deflexion. The lowest deflection Revo is the 12.4
Sounds a lot better than the revo which has always been my gripe with it besides the price. I wonder it they would consider slapping on a uniloc joint.
Yes, they have made some Unilock joints already. I believe jjcue was selling them.
I feel like the revo sounds good but I just got it a couple weeks ago I wonder if it’s been upgraded or something to sound more natural
How does it compare to the cynergy? Im using a the cuetec cynergy 11.8.
Ignite more feel and sharper hit
Mighty car mods fan too!!!
EYYYY!
Just curious, would it be possible to use the Ignite carbon fiber shaft with the butt of a Voodoo cue? I’m new to actually buying my first pool cue, and like the design of the Voodoo cue, but wondering if it’s upgradeable over time? Or do I need to stay within the same manufacture on part upgrades?
Most likely no because the pin on your Voodoo cue is different.
@@TheBilliardCorner I haven’t purchased any cue’s yet, but was thinking the Jacoby shafts look to be more universal with pin connections. Are the links in your video’s to product pages Affiliate links? Would be good to know if they are so that you get something in return for your helpful content. Also thank you for replying so quickly. I’m definitely interested in carbon fiber for it’s anti-warping benefits.
@@christopherm7741 Most are Non-Affiliate except for my chalk videos. Glad you enjoy my content :) Seyberts or Pooldawg are great websites to buy from.
@@TheBilliardCorner Quick question, which model Diamond Table do you have? Is it single or triple slate? And price range for that build? I’m still up in the air about a Brunswick table over Diamond.
Also I just ordered my first cue Mezz ACE-184 with Ignite 12.2 shaft that came with a second shaft WX Alpha Shaft. Is there any notes or pointers of what one should get or do to their shaft when they first receive it?
@@christopherm7741 Mine is a 7ft Diamond Pro Am table. Single piece slate. I chose a Diamond over a Brunswick because I like how the Diamond table plays. I believe price was around $6000 delivered and installed at the time (prices has went up since then).
Triple slate tables are generally bought because of transportation purposes such as setting up a table in the basement or upstairs.
Congrats on ordering your new cue. There isn't much to do with a new carbon shaft. The beauty of carbon shafts is that they have much less maintenance. The biggest thing is to NEVER sand or burnish carbon fiber. All that is needed to clean the shaft is to use the provided alcohol wipes.
Hello good morning. How can i order the mezz ignite thru online? Thanks a lot.
Check out Mezz Official website
Do you prefer ignite or revo shaft?
I prefer the Ignite at this moment. Revo is still a great shaft though :)
Is the grip on that butt leather or irish linen? I rly like that cue...
Yup linen wrap
how does it compare to the Predator Revo shaft?
Crisper and more solid hit compared to Revo
@@TheBilliardCorner hard to believe it can get better than a Revo... I'll have to try one.
What is your favorite carbon shaft?
can you make a video about MIT BLACK ARROW carbon fiber shaft...
The black arrow should be banned from anyone buying it. The worst pool shaft on this side of heaven. Brutal.
is that a mcm super turbo poster behind you?
Yes it is!
Do you prefer ignite or cynergy?
I have yet to test the Cynergy. However, Ignite is my current favorite at this moment.
Now that your video is 2 years old, which shaft is your favorite?
Ignite been my favorite Carbon shaft
@@TheBilliardCorner how would you rank all of them?
So how do you like your shaft???
link of where you buy this cue please
www.mezzusa.com/
Suggestion: With deflection tests, the most “objective” way I’ve seen is to use a pivot/bridge length test...
Basically you finding pivot point by hitting with X tips of English and adjusting bridge length until the cue ball hits the object ball and basically stops in place, spinning in place.
Just a thought. If you need to see how to do this, I believe Dr. Dave has a video doing this.
Great suggestion, I'll take a look at Dr. Dave's (The OG) video!
@@TheBilliardCorner it'll provide (what I believe) to be more repeatable results, especially when comparing between shafts. Personally, I'd pair it with an OB blue to demonstrate your stroke is the same on both shots LOL but I'm crazy... ;)
Do they have 3x8x10 modified?
They do now. I just ordered one in 3/8 modified and it will be here tmrw. Brian from JJcues has Ignite shafts in a whole bunch of joints now. Straight from Mezz too. Good luck.
Hm this cue??
The ignite can control the natural and very flexible ball bearings..
How much...
With predator revo which better?
Depends on what you like, all preference. Can't go wrong with either.
You just helped them sell one more
I wish mezz would offer this in more joint sizes. If they had it in 3/8x10 I'd buy this in a heart beat.
They recently released them in 3/8x10
@@TheBilliardCorner
Sweet. Thanks for letting me know.
@@michaelrobinson6629 no problem
They now have all joints.. Got mine from Brian from JJcues online. Tmrw I'll have an Ignite shaft for my 3/8 modified cue. Can't wait!!! Good luck.
I just purchased the Defy shaft with a McDermott cue. Getting it Saturday. Always liked McDermott, just wish I could've found some reviews for it first. But oh well.
Where can I buy ?
mezzusa.com
Try the Viking siege it what I use in my opinion Viking cues are the best in the world but there carbine fiber shafts truly the works I have try the cue Tec the predator and the mucci Viking got there nail down if I get a chance try one and there made a 100 percent in America
U sorry should have proof read it lol
@@zachreddish4208 I've been leaning towards the Viking Siege, but I have had limited feedback, so I'm now trying to find more feedback. Are you still liking the Siege over the others? Are there any specifics compared to the others mentioned that you can comment on? Thanks very much!
Give me a price list of mezz cue
www.mezzusa.com
How much mezz cue stick
台幣17500
Price of mezz cue
www.mezzusa.com
How much?
Links in description
why would i get this one for over 500 when I can get the revo for cheaper ?!!!
Crisper hit, 12.2mm, solid United or Wavy joint, unique taper, Incredible Japanese build quality...lol
5:41 "Where's the cue ball going? Where's the cue ball going??"
hehe
You find revo or ignite better ???
I prefer the Ignite at this moment. Revo is still a great shaft though :)
@@TheBilliardCorner just one haha
mezz made in Japan, amazing quality
Yup
Honestly, if you want us to hear the hit of the cue, you shouldn't be hitting another ball after striking the cue ball. Just hit the cue ball into a rail so we can just hear the sound that the shaft makes.
Good idea, will try that next time
Subie wave ;)
The only cue that I want but I cant afford it🙃huhu
Hm?
I follow you from Iraq I want to post me cue good Quality
Hi dude. How I wish to have such kind of Shaft. Can I have your spare shaft? Heheh
I think the hit sounds horrible...i really dont like the look of a black shaft either...ill keep my predator z-3
Mezz... (to me) very expensive cues.
Expensive but extremely high quality :)
Yak yak no thanks u beat a hand spliced snooker cue sorry guys it's a defo no no from me.
"The hit is similar to wood which is a huge plus for me"
Everyone just use wood and save $500. Don't be fooled by carbon fiber, like the cycling world is
How is the cycling world fooled by carbon fiber? Sounds like you're spouting some BS right there.
Personally I had a fully-lugged steel frame prior to riding a Trek Madone 5.5 and the difference was so drastic in power transfer that I never looked back (in spite of the extra ass-soreness from such a stiff frame!).
@@explosivehotdogs thats the point you if your not racing you don't need a sore arse when riding a bike. Titanium or stainless steel is light as f and better for most people who own a carbon bike but that's not what the bike industry tell them that. Carbon shafts hit is firm sure,power is better also but do they play as well as a wood shaft for feel NOPE! Carbon break or jump cues makes absolute sense just like a racing bike in carbon. But a playing shaft you need some flex and feel just like say titanium for someone who isn't racing but likes riding a bike. How many pros have now stopped using carbon fiber shafts ?
@@gclh22 I personally loved my carbon fiber machine, sore arse and all : )