How Xenoblade X fits into the Timeline & Origin connections!
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Let's talk about Xenoblade X's connection to the main games again. This video includes why I think X is connected, how I think it is connected and how it probably fits into the timeline of events. I think Origin is probably the cause of the many crazy events that are happening on Mira so let's try and see how Origin could answer a lot of the open questions as well.
Some cutscenes used from: / helsionium
Art of Mira translation: xenomira.wordpress.com/2021/0...
XB2 footage without the color filter: • Xenoblade 2 Flashback ...
0:00 Let's talk XenoX
2:02 Is it connected?
4:46 How is it connected?
11:00 Origin Theory
16:59 Timeline Theory - Zábava
I think its all connected, and it started when a little boy named Abel touched the Zohar.
And Earth splitting might even be connected to what happened on the Spaceship that can be seen at the start of Xenogears.
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It's going to be connected as it was literally busniess and a franchise, kinda like how Nintendo pull something in their azzes to hype zelda fanbois of a "zelda timeline".
We DESPERATELY need a XCX sequel. It left too many questions answered... And we need that connection to the rest of the Xeno saga (pun intended)
Agreed! We need it sooner than later please
Do we know I mean 🤔 it seems to me that they took out a whole lot of content
Maybe we should get a remaster first that clears a lot of stuff up maybe 🤔
i think your theory is awesome dude!! great work
First of all, another banger discussion video about Xenoblade X and all other games of the series. There are so many people in the community straight up denying the connections to X and don't even let room for discussion about it and that's sad. So I'm enjoying your theories.
I always though the same, that X is more connected to the other games. Tatsu alone hints to so much stuff to the Xenoblade universe, even in key moments in the story and very important in the ending. I don't think, they put it in there just for fun. It has to be retconned in some parts but that also happened with XC1 and is still sometimes inconsistant as you mentioned. I had similar theories to yours, but some details are new or I didn't thought about them that much.
Nevertheless, great video! It always brings up a smile hearing your enthusiasm about the series.
Great to hear and thanks
The hype levels are on overdrive with your videos. They're great.
It makes me happy to hear that
Personally, I think the key to how X, Xenoblade 1-3, and even potentially Xenogears are connected lies in Xenosaga - the Eternal Recurrence. Xenosaga and Xenoblade take place during the same Recurrence of the universe, but Xenoblade Chronicles X takes place in one after it, after the end is outlasted by those who remain in the dying world of Xenoblade and Xenosaga 1-3 through a new project to preserve souls and reboot the world's state centered in Lost Jerusalem, the Land of *Origin,* a planet once known as Earth. After Origin, with the help of Zarathustra and the Zohar, reboots the world once again, preserving its inhabitants and their homeworld, the universe repeats much the same as it did before, save for one single point of divergence - the residents of the old world, who now appear in the new world at the dawn of time, creating a prosperous ancient civilization through their control of most all relics of god that, at least in part, eventually goes on to become Samaar.
My hypothetical timeline:
-Xenogears(?)(Possibly in an eternal recurrence prior to Blade/Saga, if canon at all)
-Eternal Recurrence begins
-The Conduit, also referred to as the Zohar, is discovered in Kenya
-Grimoire's experiments end in horrible failure, their outcome is localized and slowed to a crawl by Wilhelm. Conduit is moved to newly-constructed Orbital Ring
-The First Project Exodus, this Earth's Earthlife Colonization Project, begins
-Saviourite Rebellion
-Klaus's Experiment and the fall of Lost Jerusalem
-Xenoblade and Xenosaga trilogies occur relatively simultaneously
-Earth reunites and reappears in normal space, KOS-MOS's body lands upon it
-An as of yet unreleased game simultaneously following up on both the Xenoblade and Xenosaga trilogies as a functional fourth installment for both covering the fallout of all this when the wider galaxy reconnects to Earth. Likely involves a resurging Gnosis threat and at least some level of conflict between what remains of Ormus, the Galaxy Federation, and the new people of the returned Earth. I have dubbed this hypothetical entry "Xenoblade Saga" for now.
-The Dissolution of the Universe and Eternal Recurrence are both sidestepped by a new project combining the power of Origin and of Zarathustra, reactivating Eternal Recurrence but with all known life and civilization in the current universe given a free pass into the new one to seek a way to finally put an end to both the Dissolution of the Universe and the Eternal Recurrence once and for all. This new society, or at least one faction of it, eventually comes to be known as Samaar, forgetting their original purpose and becoming drunk with power. Conflicts ensue.
-Xenoblade Chronicles X. I personally believe the Ghosts are some variant of or similar phenomenon as the Gnosis, quite likely a direct successor that ahas somehow become more organized - possibly weaponized by a faction from the old world?
So, between The Conduit, Origin, and the Lifehold, Xenoblade is a story about mankind playing god to such an extreme extent that nobody can tell if anything about themselves was ever real or if anything in their history is even accurate 😶
Thanks for making this video. It was awesome to watch.
P.S: Here's hoping that xenoblade chronicles X is what comes next, as opposed to saga. 🥂
Just imagine something as crazy as the Conduit and Origin synchronization via space-time continuum shift event happening in mere simultaneous moments. Being a meta universe manifold or junction, such a thing is very possible. The multiverse manifestation is also out there.
Banger theory. Also I wanna add that the Black Knight might be a Samaarian, and that all the races of sentient people in Mira are races that have had a connection to the Zohar/Conduit before the humans.
Great video! This could explain many things.
Actually I had another interpretation, (but I never played Xenosaga):
What if XCX happened after XC3 and the worlds reunited ?
Maybe the fusioned world is just a reboot and the story is repeatiting again. Except that the story has a bit changed and Elma came to earth, the war between aliens took place and klaus activated the experience for a reason different from the one in the fisrt timeline.
Mira would be an artificial planet that came from the rests of Origin after the reuniting and is existing since about 2000 years. That would explain why the planet has such abilities.
Actually, it is not clear how far from earth Mira is. But the Ganglion says during a cutscene that they were transported to Mira after a blank light appearance (The Klaus' experiment activation ? Some kind of wormhole ? Both ?). So maybe the same thing happened to the whitewhale.
X is the mainline story, always has been
Nice Job :)
Very sound theory, you're making me excited for the Future...
Future Connected, Future Redeemed, Future Lost? Untold Future?
Future Future for sure
I like the idea that it's all connected because that would imply the Samaarian are the orgin of all xeno games and could shine the light on what and how the zohar came to be
In Japan X can be read as CROSS, so it's a reference to cross over of concepts.
In XC2 it was explained that many people and many things, disappeared into distant dimensions when Klaus opened the Conduit. So if I had to connect X to the Trilogy, it could be that the beginning cutscene of XCX timing was parallel to Klaus opening the Conduit. When the earth exploded in X, The Earth in the Trilogy was being split in two.
Takehashi could go the route of due to these event happening simultaneously across the two universes and the conduit's involvement, it forced a hole between universes... As a result it flung the White Whale, Ganglion, Ghost and other aliens into its own pocket-universe. XCX2 could be about trying to rejoin original X universe, but ending up in the trilogy universe which would have ramifications for a XCX3 game to explore.
I am not great at theorizing, which is why I didn't really touch on Lore because who knows what that man is thinking. BUT, there are ways to connect the two, just some slight retconning and it could work.
I will watch this video after I'm done with X, just want to say it's nice to see people still talk about it and that's a sub from me
I'm a big fan of Gears and Saga but I never had the time to get into the Blade series but when I heard that Xeno 3 confirms all the games are relevant in the crazy takahashi timeline I just had to drop everything and finally play and replay the whole series, but I started with X first since it looks the coolest to me and I'm just floored by this game man, it's just fantastic, I literally cannot stop playing
X is great have fun! Definitely come back after you played it because how it could be connected is still a huge mystery and will probably be revealed in the next few games. Also you will see how much we need a Xenoblade X2
Pretty much I have a theory of about Xenoblade X, pretty much in the radio broadcast the coalition government the people that plan The Exodus project on the original Earth in the 21st century sent out spaceships to other worlds and one of those worlds went to a different Earth-like planet that is similar to Earth but different cuz in one of the cutscenes I saw two moons before the planet got destroyed I didn't notice it before. Which indicates that the Earth that was blown up was Earth 2.0 the planet that the coalition government went to and renamed it Earth because the original Earth disappeared.
And also explains a few things because Mira/ original Earth is an Uncharted planet and the main reason they don't have records of it because it disappeared for 4,000 years, and the entire Galaxy Federation was nearly destroyed by a giant gnosis, so they were cut off from the Galaxy Federation probably for 4 billion years and over time they completely forgot about it. The main reason I say 4 billion years in the future because at the start of the game it's mentioned they've been on that planet for 4 billion years they meant that literally.
And Mira it's the same planet or Earth as the one in Xenoblade 3 when the planets recombined into a new Earth gaining new traits and after 4 billion years it changed but it seemed humanity went extinct eventually or left the planet because the aliens we see in the game the Ganglion, might be genetically altered humans or animals that left Earth billions of years ago and colonize the rest of the universe. The Ganglion the fish looking ones, are descendants of the Urarurans( the blue scale people), the Cat aliens are descendants of the Morgotte( cat people),Prone the descendants of pig monsters, and the other aliens are pretty much descendants of either monsters or humans that evolved over billions of years.
And Elma, it's a descendant of a blade meaning she's technically a descendant of a human sort of. Cuz the Ganglion mentioned the (Great one )which is the Architect they still remember who he is and what he did and they know that he's human and created their entire race that includes all the humans and monsters meaning all the aliens are actually from Mira and left it billions of years ago and forgotten some of their history but not all of it. But this is just a theory.
Im hoping Takehashi finds a way to connect all the Xeno Series and I think he can using time travel.
I am a firm believer in XBC & XS being in the same universe and that while the events of XBC were taking place in a higher dimension, the events of XS were happening concurrently. That leaves XBCX & XG, which is where time travel gets involved. Someone, hell maybe Professor B even, anticipates Klaus' actions or witnesses it from a colony ship and decides to go back in time to when the xohar/conduit was first discovered to change events. This action would immediately create a branch timeline that would be the events of XG. My idea for XG EP6 is that humanity has evolved into the Samaarians and the Milky Way Federation has become the Samaar Federation. Creating 'aliens' by genetically modifying the lower class to do their hard labour i.e. Ma-Non modified to eat human waste etc. This is why the Ganglion cannot harm humans and fear them because they were genetically modified to be allergic to themselves. Thus making XBCX the aftermath of enter XG storyline.
Anyway, just like how the 2 split earths of XBC1 & XBC2 were destined to collide at some point, so will the main timeline of XBC & XS and the branch timeline of XG & XBCX, which happened moments after Earth reunited and returned to the main timeline. This would be the exact moment Earth was destroyed in XBCX, there was a white light and all of a sudden the ganglion just found themselves on Mira. XBCX goes to great lengths to mention that Mira has some uncanny connection to humanity and that's because it's the reunited Earth of the main timeline, with Origin absorbing all the souls of the White Whale and potentially those lost in the destruction of Earth in the branch timeline of XG & XBCX. Remember the events of XBCX take place over the first 3 months of the White Whale crashing on Mira so what's saying there aren't more undiscovered locations? The map of Mira has an entire side missing, I believe it to be where Alrest & Bionis are located. This explains the Nopon, them mentioning Nopon Village & the Nopon Monado sidequest. They originated from New Bionios, on Mira and then migrated to the known continents of XBCX.
Personally I'm inclined to disagree with this interpretation, because of what we learn from Ganglion and Zaruboggan history. I think it's more likely that some group of humans used the Conduit to create (or simply go to) the XCX universe before becoming its masters and creating the two races to serve them, later on forming the XCX humanity. Extrapolating from that, Mira is probably a creation of the humans who created this universe and might act as some kind of a universal "backup", not unlike the trinity processor or Origin.
While it's *possible* that this backstory also applies to Klaus' universe, keeping them separate would fit more in line with Xenosaga to ensure aliens only exist in the XCX universe.
Of course we still don't know anything about the Ghosts and I can't speculate who they might be. Not enough leads.
i'm waiting for a port of the X on switch, for having the 4 game together.
Also a thign i wondered for a time, what if Elma could be kos mos , i know it's totally crazy, but since we can see her ortbiting a planet at the end of Xenosaga 3 . .
Also i've heard that Xenoblade 3 answer to some question.
Timelines
1. Xenogear
2. Xenoblade Chronicles X
3. Xenosaga/ ARK
4. Xenoblade Chronicles
5. Xenoblade Chronicles 2
6. Xenoblade Chronicles 3
What if... It is a third dimension. That would explain why are there no aliens on xenosaga, they are all trapped in Mira with us!
And if you wanna be crazy, maybe the aliens were coming to earth to claim the Zohar and that's why they are both after humans in x.
So you are suggesting when Klaus pressed the button they were transported into a third dimension? It could be the case but I don't see how it could explain any of the open questions and also aliens existed before the experiment began.
why is it you xenoblade x theorists never read up on your xeno lore and the lore of the conduit/zohar specifically? that right there debunks all your claims of xenoblade x being canon to the klaus saga because the conduit/zohar was found in our earth in our africa, before the events of the government in xenoblade future redeemed radio and before the orbital station fight in xenoblade 2 chapter 10. how many times do we xenoblade 2 fans have to explain this to you without even being xenosaga or xenogears fans? as luxin said in his video about the radio, the colonist ships left on a date from xenosaga, not the one from x, all the lore in future redeemed connects to xenosaga, not x, and as klaus stated in xenoblade 2, endless universes coexist side by side, completely unaware from one another. xenoblade x cast's earth is not the klaus earth(and yes, alrest was the remains of our earth in the far future, there is not 2 earths in the same universe or you x fans' bogus theory of klaus experiment taking place on another planet predating earth.). xenoblade x cast's earth is a parallel universe earth where the klaus experiment didn't happen and the alien attack prevented the klaus experiment and changed the date and progression of the colony ships launching and had earth actually blow up. also before I forget, you talk about japanese translations confirming x being connected to klaus saga? wrong, the savourite faction translates in japanese to the salvator faction, thats right, the one from xenosaga. the station was not attacked by aliens, it was attacked by dimitri's salvator faction over possession of the conduit/zohar. with that, your theory falls apart. the reason your theory falls apart is you keep assuming project exodus and the earth colonization project are only from X, they are not, they are from xenosaga and xenogears as well, both of which having actual dates for when the ships launched, dates that contradict x's colony ship launch. luxin went over this.
You missed multiple points. I never said Saga doesn't connect because both connect, I mentioned that the Zohar was found on earth already, the date that is said in future redeemed does not mention the white whale but the icarus so of course it doesn't match. The white whale flew later into space when Klaus pressed the button.
How come you Saga fans accept the radio as canon events but then say the first half of the same radio is just easter eggs lmao
Because there are no non human made aliens in Saga, X takes far more justification and would need to be rewritten to fit the Sage/Blade Trilogy narrative, where as Saga only requires a few small changes akin to Definitive Edition. (Not disregarding X, however between it and Saga, Saga would align better given the canon events within the Blade Trilogy)
@@VIInOni you all forget that Xenosaga takes places thousands of years after the experiment and in that time frame humans could push aliens to the brink of extinction or out of the galaxy. They could be the progenitors of the Samaarians actually. Both Saga and X need wiggle room to fit perfectly and both can be explained simply.
Xenosaga fans try not to be the most unlikable nerds imaginable challenge (impossible)
I think X is going to pull a botw / totk and just be at the very end of the timeline after xenoblade 9 or whatever 😉
Thanks for making this video. It was awesome to watch.
P.S: Here's hoping that xenoblade chronicles X is what comes next, as opposed to saga. 🥂