Copying Keys via a Mold and Cast Attack
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- čas přidán 30. 04. 2019
- There are a variety of ways to copy a key... a simple duplicator with a blank is what most folk have used when they've needed a key in the past. In our training courses, we also talk about stamping, hand-filing, and using code-cutter machines.
But all of these techniques rely on your ability to source (or at least replicate) a particular manufacturer's key blank. What if you encounter a particularly obscure lock design or are trying to duplicate a key from a system where the blank is not readily accessible to you?
In such instances, making a negative mold of the target key and then reproducing it with hot metal casting is a technique that can work... right there in the field!
Watch your fingers and don't burn your hands... this is a pretty great tactic when nothing else may work. Look on RedTeamTools.com soon for parts kits that help you facilitate such techniques. Good luck!
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Wait, this isn’t the LockPickingLawyer?
That's kind of you to say I could be in his league. His videos are something else. :-)
@@DeviantOllam His way of presenting things is something else, but you Sir do have an amazing mind. Not to mention your videos are also entertaining af, and you actually teach us and help us find the weak spots in security. Huge thanks :)
That dude is amazing, lol
@@DeviantOllam, don't worry, you are a much better story teller!
You are like Indiana Jones tossing his whip down and pulling his pistol lol
LPL: "Here we have an Acme Type 3 lock with an inverse convulsed keyway, I should have this picked in about four and a half minutes using a Type 42 pick, and a tension wrench wild harvested from a Walmart parking lot and gnawed through with my teeth...."
Deviant: *blows whiskey between doors/pulls out key purchased from Amazon /slips Traveller hook in, and walks in sipping on whiskey.
If you had been hired to red team the Temple of Doom, you would have told the natives that you were the boulder hoist service tech, cloned their prox chips (worn as nose bones), and talked the guard into turning the countermeasures system off for an inspection.
You both have awesome skills and niches!
I just read the title and didn't pay attention too much else but was very surprised when I saw this wasn't LPL
Just a tip: If you are using a softer metal, put a small paperclip down the center of the mold when casting, it will help it not break or split
Ive been a locksmith for almost 20 years and always thought this would work but have never seen it done! Fucking awesome job sir!
@Blood Beryl shut up you twat!. In AMERICA I use whatever the FUCK language I want!
@@howeyfeltersnatch7702 Hell yeah 'MERICA!
Locksmith my arse!!!
FJB 2 da max.
"The tiniest vent is all you need" thats what the Death Star engineer said
That was like... better than any half time Super Bowl commercial! It was rewarding, soothing, therapeutic! We have the Bob Ross of locksmithing! Ultra awesome and free ( generous nuggets! ) the vent was badass too! Thank you so much. So kind with the info, etc!
i love Arts and Crafts time with Deviant. Fun for the whole family.
@@HelloKittyFanMan. When they lock themselves out and need help sure but remember to take as much time as you can to not scare them on how fast you can bypass the locks unless you are a locksmith in your day to day life.
"Close enough for government work" I'm going to start using that
Good enough for government work old military saying
You need to give it a few taps with something metal as well (higher frequency shock waves for dislodging smaller bubbles)
that makes a lot of sense. ill store that in the "strange useful information that I may get to use once in my lifetime but it will make me look like a fucking pro" section of my brain lol
I saw one guy use a vibrator. Yes, one of THOSE vibrators.
You know I always loved the idea of doing physical pin testing as a legit profession, and I think about it often when I see blatant security issues around town. Sadly I was a little too adventurous in my younger years so I have to settle for youtube videos. Keep up the good work!
maybe you can work as a lock tester or something like that ;)
@@insomnia20422 sure
Thanks again , you deviant tyke 😜
I've not only acquired and practiced the intriguing hobby of lock picking over the last couple of years, but now you've enhanced my metallurgy knowledge.
Please keep up the interesting work.
Last time I employed this technique, I looked into buying the "Key Clam". But the vendor was so difficult to buy from so I abandoned a professional kit for an improvised set up. So, if Red Team starts selling the mold trays, I'd definitely be interested.
Contingency Labs where can I find mold trays????
"No, this isn't an illegal substance officer... (but don't be fooled into thinking I ain't up to something!)"
back in the day i used a small electronic enclosure from radio shack for a cast mold enclosure. clay from michaels arts and crafts. molten metal from a toy kit from toys r us. butane lighter from a local electronics shop... nowadays you can buys most these things from amazon, ebay, etc and don’t have to drive around town and spend a day collecting “stuff” for projects.
But it is alot more rewarding driving around all day and finally getting it to work
Very well put together thanks for sharing!
Wow such a great video :) super informative and well made to understand for anyone :D
Just a sec mom! Just watching this video for the 10th time!
I love you Deviant.
Don't keep your mom waiting like that. ;-)
@@DeviantOllam ahhhh! God has spoken!
Cast the first one like he did, then use the hey to make a plaster mold, melt the low temp alloy out and pour in brass or aluminum for a much sturdier key.
When you have been doing it for a bit you would know your resources and know the variables.
From direct experience I can say that is quite tricky to cast small, intricate and precise parts in brass or aluminium. If this is your job and expedited access is not a priority a better approach is to get access to a EasyEntrie key machine that can duplicate even restricted blanks.
At that point you may as well go to a locksmith and get a blank to cut.
Very nice! Excellent technique for quick copying.!
If your ever cought casting the key just say it's heroin
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Look at that tactical Play-Doh rolling at 2:47 😂
Nicely done.
They literally showed this technique on an episode of McGuyver or some crime movie that i watched as a kid back in like 86. It does work
Hey, I did this in Runescape!
I've also done that same thing with epoxy resin
wow,dude...that was a good execution!!
Thanks!
Great practical demo. It worked very well. 🍺✌😎
I would like to know which metal you were using and where a person could find the casting mold
Interesting! You obviously really know your stuff. Thanks.
Man I cannot get enough of your vids really coolstuff
I'm trying to think of ways if necessary you could get something like this through security that is somewhat diligent. I'm thinking large Zippo style lighter could be fashioned that contains the heating element and a small amount of gas (slightly more than enough to melt the metal), while the rest of the light is actually the clamshell for the mold.
That covers the lighter and mold relatively simply but the crucible and raw metal would be a bit harder to sneak though. First thing that popped into mind is that they could be disguised as trinkets on a key chain. Tiny metal dice would be the material needed and then have the bowl of the crucible as one trinket and then have a small but intricate looking handle that could screw onto the bowl but looks like something pretty someone might attached to a key ring.
That way aslong as they lighter and keyrings aren't looked at with intense scrutiny you could sneak the whole thing through a security check without raising any eyebrows
Very impressive! Would you be so kind as to reply with some links to where to buy the right type of clay and the cubes of metal that you think would be appropriate for this task? Also what do you call that metallic device that you poured the molten metal into? Thanks again!
Key information : Where to buy this mold-tray? Which casting metal is this? ( I am guessing it is soldering tin , or similar? )
Exactly what I was thinking
I believe it's cerrosafe? not entirely certain what that is but it's used pretty commonly used in gunsmithing for figuring out which cartridge weird guns are using.
I have the impression he doesn't mention the metal-type deliberately (which renders this video pointless IMHO) , but it is : "Woods metal". Google it. "Roses metal" is also a good option.
Cool method of getting a duplicate key!
Where does one find the alloy used. I have access to one however the longer it cools it expands about .001".
amazing job my friend awesome details
Is it possible to use binder clips as a way to hold the mold in place?
4:55 use baking soda as a mold release. It will keep the key from sticking to the clay on top of allowing the two halfs to seperate before and after molding.
14:00 Im sure you could get a second or third key cast from the same one mold. Granted it will degrade as you go and depends on how much you damage it on removal.
you can probably get 6 castings before it craps out on you. this is basically how metal miniatures are made.
Hello
You havent mentioned the names of instruments and the mould material . I live in india . Kindly mention the exact name of the mould and the moulding material . Please
Anyone know where I can locate an impressioning block like that or similar
Thanks Deviant. I have been unable to get a spare key cut for my daughters car for when she is stupid enough to lock the keys in. This week I will have a play and see if I can create a spare key for her.
It's cool that you're inspired to try this, but I would SERIOUSLY not recomend creating a duplicate car key in this fashion. Allow me please to list my reasons why I feel this way...
1. Car locks, in addition to being fragile, are also very expensive to service or in the worst-case replace. A key like this is a prime candidate for completely fouling up a car lock.
2. most modern cars have chipped keys. Trying to use a solid metal key that does not contain the necessary electronic chip component will in the best-case simply set off a car alarm, and in the worst-case disable the car entirely (temporarily)
3. creating a replacement key for a car should usually be something pretty trivial for most locksmiths, hardware stores, or (last resort) dealers... if you are not under time pressure and you are not on a covert entry job, wouldn't those avenues be more accessible? :-)
The key in question may or may not be chipped. I've been to all of the local locksmiths and they can't decide if there is 1 in it or not. 1 scanned it and said there was and another scanned and said there wasn't. All 3 have told me that they can't get blanks for the key. It's a $400 car so I don't want to spend the earth on it. I've already had to break into the car once when she left the keys in the ignition and after mucking around for a while I hit upon a huge security flaw with a lot of hatchback cars. I now know how to get in to the car in about 20s but if she happens to lock the keys in whilst 100+ km away it would be easier if she had an emergency backup available.
@@DeviantOllam I thought typically the chip isn’t interrogated when you open the door, just the ignition.
You could cast the low-melt alloy into nickel and quarter blanks to carry in your pocket, most people would be none the wiser. I think an integral clamp, or some strong rubber bands, would be useful for holding the flask together. I wonder if Suguru would be a useful substance for the molding too?
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Wouldn't that be
counterfeiting? A casting of a decorative keychain may be a better idea.
W.A. van Buren as long as the “coins” don’t have any face markings you’re fine. Newspaper guys use to use tokens called blanks that were the same size and weight as quarters to get into and refill the boxes on the street.
@@gatekeeper84 I happen to like counterfeiting .
@@HelloKittyFanMan. Perhaps he doesn't have an answer? Nor does he owe you one... I wonder if people sometimes posit questions with the hope someone else might come along and answer it? 🤔
Great video! Will this work with an antique barrel key?
If you don't have to worry about casting on the spot, any reason not to take the mold back with you, using something like alumilite, and letting it cure over night for the following day?
Yes where can I buy those things : boxes and puddle you are showing on the table ?
Thank you !
Beautiful!
I would cast two keys right away and store one in case the other one breaks, so i can recast. hoping that recast quality is not worsening. I'd still think it would work fine for standard keys, since most locks have enough leeway in how the key has to be shaped
What if your making the same key over and over or if you are visiting the same site a few weeks later could you still use the original clay and perhaps fire it in a kiln to allow for making a stronger key
COOL video!
As a us navy foundryman, ive made 1000s of molds and castings...i am impressed that you got this to work! Great job
So pour the key then bake it and you have a permanent mold of that key?
This is so cool!!
How can I make that mold or where can I buy one at?
why not cast a modified torsion wrench into the key for strength?
If it could be aligned properly, a length of wiper blade would make the key last longer, but I'm guessing it would never stay in place for the pour.
@@voltare2amstereo I didn't think of that. It would bond very well, however, with a few small holes drilled along it's length, so the liquid metal flowed in between. That still doesn't solve the alignment issue, which I think can only be solved by experiment.
I have cast steel rods and even rebar into bronze and it's all good. The problem with reinforcing a key is the minute size.
9 times out of 10 I can just pick locks open so I'm not going to use the wrench like that.
@@Redmoonblade that would be my first instinct too, just rake it. It usually goes about as fast as using the key. I don't even worry about forgetting my house keys anymore lol.
What kind of casting metal is that and where is it sold?
So cool. If you are doing this at home base (with more time), I wonder if you could use epoxy resin with silicone putty for the mold? It might have more turning strength.
Can you give the link(where to buy) for the clay, and the tray
could you do this with these keys with dimples in it, like the Lips OCTRO 1.?
I cant promise it will, but I've seen some pretty intricate casts made.
I'd put money on a pro not breaking a sweat casting a dimpled key
Veeery Smoooth buddy. Enjoyable.
Do you know where I can buy the metal mold that you have here? I wanna make some keys out of Sterling Silver, and that mold you have seems like the best way to do it for keys.
Great video Thanks
I hat is the lighter you’re using. I’d like to know the model and brand
Do you think that the low melting point aluminum alloys, like alumiweld, would work?
Concerning the extra torsion , has anyone tried casting a small piece of steal inside the low melt alloy?
What alloy do you use for the low-melt metal? Can you recommend a supplier?
Woods Metal 158°
Thanks, Handsome Rob!
What are the names of each of these tools and where can I get them from ?
Where can I get the aluminum block?
Where did you get the tray from
hi sir i need hand hold lighter clay and mold to melt the metal you used tell me how can i apply vendor to do keymaker own work.
Thanks for the info! I've used dental putty to do the same and open Medeco and Abloy classic cylinders think I'll try the clay more work time than the silicon Cheers :)
This clay made me hungry. Looks so delicious
How much does each little ingot of metal weigh?
can you please provide a link to the clay you used? Thank you sir.
can you put the key in a key copy machine to get a brass key
Did you use pewter for casting?
yo Deviant, two questions; where'd you get your various paraphernalia there, and how much did it cost you?
deviating.net/lockpicking/slides/forged_in_fire.pdf
What is the metal that was used?
what kind of clay is that i just threw out my first block as it was terrible. how do you feel about silly puddy ?
For easier use it could be possible to add a 3rd layer to one side of the moulding tool that has a couple of pins or a notch that can then be detached and used as a stand (just a thought it may not be the most stable of things though)
Awesome demonstration as usual!
I wonder (if you didn't have access to blanks to copy the cast key bitting into), could take your low-melting-point cast key, make a plaster or ceramic shell mold, melt out the original cast key, then cast a key in a more robust metal, like brass / bronze?
Theoretically yes, but you would need to work with very low tolerance to get a viable mold of a cast
@DeviantOllam any concerns with the toxicity of the woods metal? Are there other non-toxic options?
Any time you're melting metal you should have a mask on, I assume you can do the same with a polymer but that would increase the complexity 10 fold.
In the end PPE is probably the ultimate solution to your problem
Lucas Gorski I ended up buying Fields Metal, a lot like Woods Metal but non/less toxic as it contains no lead. I take that back, it is toxic... to your WALLET! Stuff cost me $35 for 1/4 pound!
Seems my lead bullet casting kit has some of the stuff already
Thank you.
You're welcome. :)
Fantastic
Hey what is the metal mold your using whats it called?
Have you tried using any sort of resin to cast? just wondering if this could be done on the job using a fast cure polyester resin or similar.
I'd be curious as to how that would work out. Try it and tell us here! :-)
I am curious if the cast key is hard enough to make a good clean copy of it later down the road if you found a blank for said key. Do you think it would? Awesome video!!
Since key copies can be made off photographs, I don't see why not.
Hello
What clay is the best, I'm trying to measure on a pcb board the distances between holes, but I can't use a caliper to get ther and I thought a piece clay would work, but I need a exact copy, that the plug that should go later ther, have the exact hole distance. 🤔
good lock out there
Nice one.
Nicely moulded :-D
I wonder if this method could be used to cast small parts, like camera door latches and similar.
not a good idea as they will wear out fast and the part you are basing it on is already broken or worn out.
It depends on the part and what strength it needs to be. There are different casting metals for different propertys.
What job would you need this skill for?
Id be interested to see if it would copy a Medeco key with the angled cuts
I would have liked to know what alloy you're using
Woods Metal 158°
Yo bro what is that tool ur heating up the spoon looking thing
I'm learning so much about breaking and entering! If I were a criminal, this would be just irresponsible to let me watch. But I'm not so it's probably fine? Fascinating stuff though.
It's not 'breaking' if you have a key. 😎
Nice! I've read about this but it always sounded way harder than you made it look.
where do I purchase the casting mold tray?
it's 3D printed and we hope to have the model files online soon on TOOOL's thingiverse account
Awesome vid as usual DO. Could you make a second key right after, using the same mould, or does it become too deformed during heating and removal of the first key?
Oh I've definitely made multiples using the same mold. Not, you know, infinitely. But it's repeatable.
If this ok that i use soldering lead?