Copying a Key Using a Plastic Bottle (with LockPickingLawyer)
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0:00 cold open
0:19 the premise we're testing
1:11 sooting the key
2:22 make an impression with tape
3:11 sooting the key again
3:33 making an impression again
4:27 prepping our plastic
5:17 cutting out the first key
6:44 testing the first key
8:00 refining the first key
8:30 sooting the second key
9:00 impressions for second key
9:28 cutting the second key
10:48 testing the both keys
12:48 making a third key
13:00 making a fourth key
13:34 concluding thoughts
14:13 calling on an old friend to show us how it's really done
14:52 LPL - sooting the key
15:31 LPL - making the impression
16:00 LPL - prepping the plastic
16:18 LPL - cutting out the key
17:35 LPL - the secret to accurate key bitting
18:23 LPL - testing the key
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Of course he uses the Leshi key cutting pliers. who wouldn't have those... although I think next time I think you should try with a hole punch...
@@evilcanofdrpepper thatâs a really good idea, maybe a little too big of a hole punched out tho
Hmmmm I dunno scamdtuff.com looks like a scam so I won't use my normal email
You need to make sure that LPL posts pics of that Rolex. ;)
H O M E R
Brian, about the Lockpicking Lawyer: "Have you seen his face?"
He's mocking us, for he has seen the forbidden.
I picture him to be so normal looking, he is able to fool any facial identification tool.
@@chasm9557 basically the plot point of The LEGO Movie.
He's publicly shown his face, I thought. I just saw him cameo in another youtube video yesterday
@@siderbrighthelm Link, please!
I think I might just be mad, I've gone through all the videos I've watched in the last week and can't find it. I apologize
The Lock Picking Lawyer is the ultimate lock expert on CZcams, period.
I'm not sure if he's the best lockpicker, but he's by far the most popular and easy to watch and understand. I just can't watch CZcamsrs like Bosnian bill, with his 10 minute videos, after seeing lpls 1-3 min ones
@@g4mmalotus937 So true that's what makes him the expert to watch due to the short yet easy to understand videos.
Bosnianbill is pretty boss too tho
I would suggest he is equally as good as Bosnian Bill. A little bit more entertaining but still just as informative. If I HAD to choose just one lockpicker to subscribe to it wouldn't be easy but LPL would pip Bosnian Bill by the tiniest of margins... Thankfully that isn't the case and I am free to subscribe to both which I have done...
@@evanstedman7405 they did a video together that was pretty awesome
This is the longest time that the LPL has ever taken to open a lock.
Underrated.
actually he opened it very quickly, the only part he took a while was in the preparation of the tools. he always selects his tools beforehand, this time he crafted one before, but the opening part was very quick
@@vitorbarnabe2108 I agree. If you watch the video about LPL and BosnianBill creating the tool they always use, it's actually a quite long process.
Technically, it's not a picking, if you're duping a key.
@@vitorbarnabe2108ACSHUALLY
On the next episode of The Modern Rogue: Will the Lockpicking Lawyer get his gold Rolex? Does Jason finally overcome his fear of knives? And will we finally learn what was in the Homer Box? All this and more, next time!
Jason really shouldn't overcome his fear of knives. In fact, Brian probably should work on acquiring one.
It's not a fear of knives, it's a healthy respect
@@canadiannomad2330 What are they going to do? Lock him out? :D
I bet the Rolex was in the box
@@Azrage that's probably for the better lol
"All you need is plastic, a lighter, and a specialized tool even most locksmiths won't carry on them"
You can just use a nibbler 10 bucks at harbor freight
"Now we just need the tool that bosnian bill and I made"
@@jakeheicklen3928 âBosnianâ đ
@@Bellgrande idk how it is spelled
to be fair, he did that for the sake of assisting in speed and accuracy, someone with an exacto knife could do that too
âWHATS IN THE BOX?!â
Lol nice
Love your videos 73s
Will KI5DQL
her beautiful head
@@wtjohnson3765 knew it started with an S though
A solid gold Rolex, for the LPL
Pov: LPL teaches 2 adult children to commit burglary.
Scarily acurate
Well, they have to have the actual key.
Backup copy of your own key?
They already know how to commit burglary, LPL is teaching them how to do it *properly*
@@v0rtexbeater with *class*
Today on modern rogue we'll be opening the box with a lock, all you'll need is plyers, a lighter, scissors, a water bottle, and the key
I could a domeit with a bobby pin or like anything it's a nadterlock lol
czcams.com/video/d59J78yhwtg/video.html
I like how this whole video culminates in LPL taking 20X longer to make a copy of an existing key for these guys than it would take for him to simply pick the lock.
You can see in LPLs video, the absolute understanding of every little thing he's doing
It's fascinating seeing the transition from hobby crafts, to a full on trade specialist
the lock picking lawyer is a real person? thought he was some like, super efficient lock picking robot-
Flesh and blood person, he is.
Check out the channel directly.
The guy's have had him on before.
I thought he was just a pair of paranormal hands that cannot fail at picking a lock. Kept in a fishtank somewhere.
I thought he was just SCP-005 in humanoid form
They never said he wasn't...
Human tissue and blood on top, T-600 Lock Termination unit underneath, theyâre infiltration units, designed to remove locks and drink whiskey
"why do we keep thinking we're gonna be good at things" lmao mood
Bonnie's audio of "Why are we doing this?" could be placed nearly anywhere in any video you've made so far and it would fit perfectly.
Lpl is crying, bill Duran is crying, deviant is crying
From laughter maybe
Deviant is just using a traveler hook tho..
@@gulotts deviant has done some talks about key duplication from photos and stuff, like what MR did in previous episodes
@@amyshaw893 yeah that presentation is realy cool!
And I'm just like very unimpressed
We now need a spin-off called "The Rational Rogue" with Brian's wife and daughter.
I'd watch this. for sure
I love how as the lockpicking lawyer made his key he actually cut out a key blank first before cutting the teeth. I think that's probably the biggest difference, this is an extremely accurate tool they are trying to copy. Starting out with making a blank key is probably the easiest way to duplicate a key.
The Modern Rogue, Deviant Ollam, and Lock Picking Lawyer... crossover of the year!
Don't forget the ham radio crash course
Somehow, we're missing Demo Ranch in there...
@@joehatton729 He'd shoot through the lock and the box.
LPL is always a joy to watch, the guy knows his stuff.
if I ever see these two trying to break into my house like this imma just stand by and watch.
You're just watching and one says to just use the key
But they will not, must break in in a fun way
These "ill show you how to make a bomb with a toilet paper tube and a stick of dynamite" episodes are the best.
They need to get Dale Gribble on the show somehow
Underrated comment
As Brad Pitt said in the movie Seven. "What's in the fucking box?"
Sorry, I'm just truly curious what was in the orange box. :-)
they said at the beginning it was "Homer"
@@ripjames All they said is the box always labeled, "Homer Box." It's a tool box that Home Depot sells.
@Skuzlebut82
You wanted to know whatâs in the box. Itâs cake,
But itâs a lye...
@@gryphonprovenzano3156 Lye, you say? Sounds pretty basic to me.
@@B_Skizzle lmao
When some newbie lockpicker is getting frustrated because they can't do it I tell them to stop watching LPL and BosnianBill and start watching you guys. They're incredibly skilled and make it look easy. You guys show the struggles we all go through learning the skills.
"and Brian, I'm looking forward to the solid gold Rolex he said you'd buy me if-" lol
worst part is not knowing what was in the homer box XD
"If you have access to the key wouldn't it be easier to put the key on the plastic and cut around it?"
If you have access to the key, wouldn't it be easier to use the key?
Not necessarily. For example if you don't want someone to know. Maybe a Russian diplomat leaves his keys on the table. You copy or take a photo and later in your secret spy lab cook up a key to the vault containing the launch codes. Of course, it was a trap all along and they were just testing your loyalty. Off to the gulag. Pick the cell lock with this tool Bosnian Bill and I made, only available at covertinstruments.com
@@KaitouKaiju Joke's on you, it's actually on the Sparrows website. :)
that's assuming you can have access to both the key and the lock at the same time, as well as have enough time time to do what you need to do inside the locked area. if either is not the case then no, and something like making a backup key could be one reason why you'd not have access to the key and the lock at the same time.
Seeing the lock picking lawyer take over made my day. I was like oh are we gonna see a response video. Nope he justs pops I to the video and owns them. You guys are the best, always remind me that even when life is somewhat crap, their is still interesting things to learn and adventures to be had.
you refusing to use tools in their correct way is what keeps me watching your videos
Arts & Crafts with LPL is the quarantine content I hadn't realized my kids needed.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how unobtrusive Modern Rogueâs sponsorship segments are? Itâs literally just 10 seconds at the beginning of the video to say who sponsored it, then a few minutes at the end to discuss them.
Isn't that just normal?
@@schenkov not entirely. I know a few channels do it this way like MR and rSlash but a lot (if not most) disclose thereâs a sponsorship at the beginning but theyâre do the ad read in the middle of the video when they know people are watching and are less likely to click off
and they are easy to skip over and never listen to
I think Scam school was the first video series that I saw which had specially made video content to advertise the sponsor rather than just reading a blurb within the video. I think those are kind of neat too, although they are maybe more obtrusive (and maybe less effective for that matter).
And 4 commercial segments, each about 3-8 minutes total. I particularly enjoyed the one that spent 3 minutes talking about how to poop in order to lose weight. đ
Theres a few other ways to cut plastic keys...
Op1) use an 1/8â single hole punch. Then use scissors to clip points between the punches
Op2) use a V- Shape leather cutter.
Op3) rough cut with scissors. Then peal the abrasive layer of a fingernail file and wrap it around a matchstick. Use that to file the rest of the way.
op4) rough cut with scissors. then use the corner of a for side fingernail file
4:33 "Sunny D is orange juice for those who have only had oranges described to them." Jason Murphy's epitaph
CZcams: How many timestamps do you want?
This guy: yes
Feel like they really glossed over that the most important part of the bidding was the flat section in the valleys. If you're using a pair of scissors those would be very hard to cut, hence the special tool required. They might have pulled it off if they scored those flats first with the knife, then took off the excess. You can see the peaks don't matter because the special tool cuts the excess. the main thing is getting that flat in the right spot.
WAIT!!! SO CAN SOMEONE POSSIBLY MAKE A PAINTING OF A MOUNTAIN RANGE THATS ACTUALLY A KEY BLUEPRINT???!!!!?!?!
Sure, why not, pretty much any method that can humanely understandably transmit a series of 5-6 numbers should work
now I wanna see a puzzle in a Resident Evil game or an escape room game where you have to create a key using a painting of a mountain range as the reference for the key
@@DavidTokugi44 So like what Star Wars did with a knife, but in a somewhat realistic and believable way?
@@warrensteel9954 what do you mean? That movie doesn't exist. No one needs to talk about a nonexistent movie
I just watched the full LPL Playlist yesterday and now there's a new one. Nice.
âIt just occurred to me this could be the wrong keyâ
I died laughing
Itâs a master lock, Iâm surprised it didnât fall open, also, isnât shimming just a lot quicker with the plastic?
Not all locks are shimmable (like door locks or most non-master locks), so it's a good trick to know. Tho I suspect in most cases, once you have the print, you'll have time to make the fake key out of something a bit more durable than a plastic bottle.
@@Excludos aye I know what you mean, for normal pin tumblers this will work to a degree but when you start getting to detents or medico biaxels, disk detainers and side pins, then you realise that this only works so much, and when most locks can just be cut and most door locks snapped it just seems like itâs not worth the hassle, especially when you need to have the original key with you to make a second key
Two spanners would be a lot quicker.... Oh hang on lol.
If locks had an internal monologue: "oh shit, it's that guy" *throws itself open*
I felt a certain fear when Brian started using the exacto knife like THAT.
Oh god, that hurts watching.
A full (15 minute) Modern Rogue episode, followed by a full (3 minute) LPL episode?? christmas has come early
"Hopes and dreams."
No Jason, there is something inside. Also theres no rattling from the shattering. đđđ
I can't imagine how huge BigFluffyDragon's mother is
@@daruween1398 she's big, but it's mostly just fluff.
I just made my own after watching the first 10 minutes - with a tention wrench it works like a charm. Thanks guys, it's brilliant
This is the first I'm seeing this channel, through a YT recommendation, and it BLEW MY MIND seeing Brian Brushwood here. The last time I think I saw him was on Scam School on Revision 3. Man, there was so much content on that website I miss now.
I dunnoooo, I mean, using a tool designed specifically to cut keys, to "jerryrig" a key out of plastic, feels like cheating
You can do the exact same thing with a smartphone pic and a sharpie
Think about it. This is just a means to show its possible. A person with a skilled enough hand could totally do this with an exacto blade.
@@Dem0n1337 I mean, I suppose, but part of the reason he showed up was because the Rogues tried with exactos and failed. It does demonstrate it's possible in principle, but doesn't demonstrate it's actually feasible with an xacto.
@@Erhannis having seen the skill of people with exacto knives. It's surely possible. I am just OK with one and it's possible. I may even try this.
@@Dem0n1337 Neat! Record it and post us the results. Good luck!
FIRST TIME SEEING BRIANS WIFE, what is that, the 3rd woman weâve ever seen on this channel? đ
That's what this channel needs, more women.
more cats. or catwoman if you prefer....
FINALLY WE HAVE IT, I have been waiting for this episode for so long.
This co-op was amazing!! I love both of your channels
13:46 new character Sensible Wife
looks like you picked the wrong lawyer to bet against.
Guys, I feel like the algorithm is against you... I realised I hadn't seen any of your videos in ages so I turned on notifications and I still didn't know about this video till 4 days after upload. Yall deserve more views and I love you both, sad to see you're not getting the promotion you deserve
3:29 The reason you'd want to use this method is to duplicate a key that has a controlled chain of custody. If you're permitted to have custody of the key but not take possession of it i.e. a set of keys you have to sign out with a photo ID, etc. This is only necessary where you're under constant video recording or surveillance, carrying a compromised mobile device or are required to surrender mobile devices upon entry. Otherwise, just snap a pic on some fine-scale graph paper.
The trick is to use one of the weakest points of physical security - the toilets. Nowhere but the most top-secret facility would ever employ cameras in the toilets. Even if you're being escorted by a security guard, they're going to leave you alone to do your business... even if your business is a sooty-key impression. The bathroom has built-in plausible deniability and social squeamishness of interrogating a stranger about why they took so long to take a dump. At worst, all you have to say is you had explosive diarrhea and that would shut down the questions pretty quick.
And if all you need is a lighter and some packing tape, you can carry those without rousing suspicion. Cigarette lighters, utility knives, and a wallet are almost always waved through security if you're "supposed to" be there. Carry the tape in your wallet, wrapped around a piece of wax paper, or just triple-wrapped around an innocuous "shopper's club" card with a "hey buddy" flap to ease quick unwrapping of the tape.
Then you take the imprint home and cut the key off that.
If you're someone who menstruates, even better. Just fill a carefully-opened tampon wrapper or applicator with modeling clay and make the physical impression into that. Nobody but the most dedicated, nosy, and socially-awkward security guard would closely inspect menstruation hygiene products.
The same theory would apply by sneaking a .5mm or 1/64th inch ruler into the toilet and either writing the measurements down really fast encoded in an address book, on dummy business cards, or getting really good at memorizing. This being said, as many a finish-carpenter would say, 9 out of 10 times, scribing is better than measuring.
Edit:
For those who don't know, it's surprising how many supposed high-security places still use physical lock-and-key access control vs electronic keycards for their most sensitive areas. Like, even the high-ups can't get into certain mission-critical spaces - mainly utility, electrical, and mechanical service areas... which also tend to be poorly monitored, and which are expected to have high volume of unknown third party service-workers who are never questioned about their purpose or credentials. High-visibility yellow is often the best camouflage.
There are some good arguments for using physical lock-and-key access control in high-end commercial, industrial, and institutional security culture, but all it takes to defeat is training, audacity, and a source for the right key blanks.
All ideas expressed in this comment are meant as white-hat penetration testing data. The intent is to provide security personnel with advice on how to harden access control against unlawful or unauthorized penetration only.
I was going to comment "why not just trace around the key on the plastic and then cut it out with a craft knife" but then the video got to the point where Brian mentioned the comments so I will retract my comment.
Went snowboarding AND got to watch my favorite youtubers on the way back
I remember watching the video talking about the soot method, what I ended up doing was tracing the key on masking tape (with a pen), apply to plastic, then cut with scissors. At some point I might've also used (a flat screw driver) to turn the plastic key in the lock, worked fine with me!
A LockPickingLawyer video with background music is a very alien feeling thing.
I remember when this channel started up and Murphy was so awkward and just used to being the magicians assistant đ€Ł
Brian: Name one time youve ever...
Jason: looks longingly at his thumb
10:21 "I don't know why we keep thinking that we're going to be good at things." Ouch, I felt that deep in my soul. đ„
Brian: Disses the LPL
LPL: Whom's'd've summoned the non-destructive entry entity?
brian: i bet even the lock picking lawyer can't do it
LPL: hold my lock
It was painful to watch Brian trying to turn the padlock with the blade.. Glad nothing bad happened though
I absolutely LOVE that they call out LPL and then cuts to when he actually rebuttals them
I been following Lockpicklawyer for a few years now. Great video!
ok, but that master lock wanted to open as soon as it heard his voice.
Probably couldâve gotten soot on it quicker if you were actually burning something that produced soot. Butane doesnât produce soot as good as say a burning candle. Couldâve coated that key in an inch of soot just by waving it over the candle for a second or two lol.
Nice method if you have access to the key; one other way I've seen that I love for quick (relatively) key copying is to put something like sharpie on the top of a blank for that lock maker, then put it in the keyway and turn back and forth; what should happen is the pins should scratch away at the sharpie; you can then file down at those locations to the first key depth for that lock, then re-apply sharpie and repeat. Basically, as the pins get to the right height they'll rotate with the cylinder and not scratch off the sharpie, so you eventually just kind of brute force your way to a working key.
omg i didnt read the vid title and that cameo totally took me by surprise so epic!
The modern rogue would be like the perfect place for people who have issues with perfectionism/not being good at something first try, to see two awesome professional idiots be successful and not at all perfect
13:46 CAUSE IM A MISSUS ROGUEEEEEEEE!!!
I love those collabs. Nice video!
LPL video with funky jazz in the background? Hell yeah, I need more of that!
LPL, Deviant, and Bill is looking at this like: ._.
"We're right no matter what, it's not our own incompetence!"
Cut to the end of video, when it's proven it was their incompetence.
Found what looks to be a GREAT sale on this exact style of Lishi brand key cutter after watching this video. ($40 bucks on sale down from $75)
I don't even do a lot of work with locks, but I regularly find myself needing something that can do precision cutting for thinner aluminum tabs, and this looks like a PERFECT tool for my hobbies, so thanks for the recommendation!
(Plus, now I can do stuff like this for the thrill of it, and I can -theoretically- cut my own keys for home use if need be.)
Thank you SO much for this video! I learned a lot and I even used my knowledge to get my friend's Nintendo Switch out of my teacher's locked desk. I got suspended for a week and there are officers involved and there is even talk about me getting EXPELLED! I love what you do and how you are inspiring young minds like mine all over the world! Keep up the good work!
but fr this was sarcasm. i really did get suspended for a week and there are officers involved and talk about expelling me, but i dont blame u guys im just a dumb 15 yr old boy. keep it up fr
Brian got a little heated talking about how people sit stuff out for them and then they dont use the stuff lmao
"Nobody tell lock picking lawyer..."
Don't worry, I think he's currently busy breaking into a building using only an orange.
Waking up to a beautiful Sunday morning with a cup of coffee watching the Modern Rogue đâ
Havenât seen one of your videos in forever glad to be back
I can't tell if this is something to take serious or if it is like the D.A.R.E anti drug program where I sit here thinking "I can do that!?"
Brushwood seems like the kinda guy I'd get hammered with in a smokey bar and despite the conversation beginning with like niceties and normal shit, it would end with screaming about the Patterson Gimlin film or something
Legit wouldn't be the first time for me.
I love when I get to watch LPL and Modern Rogue at the same time, always nice
I love lockpicking lawyer, I dont even care about the lockpicking, he's just a calming channel
LPL CREATING ANARCHY
Oh yay, Brian's wife made a cameo finally, and she did with a snarky remark, lol
Sunny D: "It's orange juice for someone who only ever had oranges described to them."
That's poetry there. You should be proud of that.
I want more episodes with Bonnie coming in and just making rational suggestions. Really made me laugh
Using the correct tools is cheating, we need LPL to try again without access to specialised tools designed to correctly cut keys
â This.
Major cop-out using an actual key cutting tool.
I doubt it would make a difference if he had used a craft knife instead, he is extremely skilled and knows multiple workarounds.
@@isla25 I absolutely believe that LPL can do it with just a knife it's just that this channel is more about hacking together solutions without the proper equipment than it is about calling someone who does have the tools
@@TheWhite2086 Exactly my thoughts as well.
Moder Rogue: We are so rogue, we have seen the face of the lockpicking laywer. Me: Ok ok i go back watching hands...
Good attorney to have on retainer! The dude never ceases to amaze.
As a Locksmith it is enjoyable to see people trying this out, it's rare to find non locksmiths trying out locksmithing themselves. It is also a nice reminder to appreciate how far our specialist kills and knowledge set is developed beyond the average person
The mannequin is too shiny, it looks like something from bendy and the ink machine
Don't tell the people where Dress Pants Robot Man hails from; they are not yet ready. Lol
I see lpl i click
I see you are a man of culture
âNow Jason Iâm looking forward to the solid gold Rolex...â - Lockpicking Lawyer
This was hilarious đ
YEAH! New Modern Rogue Video!
Encoding Key patterns in landscapes? As a stenography method for communicating between distant parties? đđ€·ââïž
The whole time I kept wondering if they were gonna account for the warding, the reason there's a horizontal slit in the original key in the first place, in the improvised keys.
Spoiler: They don't, and is almost certainly a major part of the reason they can't get enough tension to finish the job.
A trick I found helps is to make the key slightly over with add just a little to the backside and don't cut the notches to the depth you want it to look like a key blank, until you push the key in the lock a few times. this sets the grove(s) that otherwise will make the key narrower and the notches won't be in the right place
Yes, that Lishi aluminum blank cutter the LPL uses makes it pretty easy, but it is also pretty easy with nail / cuticle cutters, or very small wire cutters... one just has to be accurate. You guys make it look really hard. Of course in the real world, one would just snap the lock or the latches with leverage.