Why unorthodox athletes can still be incredibly effective
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- čas přidán 6. 04. 2024
- Hunter Pence was one of the most productive outfielders of his generation, but nothing about what he did was conventional. Why do fundamentals (and possibly the laws of physics) seem to not matter to certain successful athletes?
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Hunter Pence and Tim Lincecum are, in my opinion, 2 of the most forgotten stars in all of sports history. I appreciate this video.
Tim Lincecum is definitely not forgotten at all lol. Most ball knowers recognize him as having one of the most dominant peaks in modern baseball.
Are you a giants fan?
Not including clips of Pence's warm-up swings is criminal, lol. You see just one and you'd swear this man had never held a bat before.
God I just watched his on deck swings and never held a bat before is definitely the best description of those swings, but unless you surprise the shit out of me and drop your baseball reference page, I'd say he did better than both of us ever have
Studied music in college. Interesting to compare. Working outside of opponent's expectations gives an athlete a competitive edge, but there are no opponents you're working against in music. If you break the mold as a musician it makes it more difficult for your teamates, your fellow musicians to follow.
There were a handful of professors who also emphasized "Alexander Technique" where you use your body as efficiently as possible. Don't lift your fingers too high so they can return to the keys easier; eliminate muscle strain; sit w your legs under the chair to maximize lung space... It seems like this would apply to sports. Ugly ducklings aren't discouraged because they don't fit our species mold or psychological expectations, they're discouraged because the expected posture is the most efficient and mechanically sensible because it's least prone to injury and most effective toward results.
It brings back memories of watching the 2014 Giants' run to win the Series. My late mother, a knowledgeable baseball fan, loved Hunter Pence. We laughed often in watching Pence.
I was so pissed when the Phillies traded him. He played with such boyish enthusiasm and his line of "Good game, let's eat" became a mantra of the 2011 Phillies. Then they traded him to the Giants for a bag of used baseballs.
Another great vid. You’re physically incapable of missing.
This basic concept explains how Nikola Jokic is able to dominate the NBA while not “passing the eye test” for a lot of people who don’t know what they’re looking at
Tom Brady did poorly in the combine and was like the 7th overall QB taken in the draft
No in the 7th round he was more like 20th overall QB
@@timboslice8559 ohhh dang
I’ve met Hunter pence - one of the nicest guys ever
Bay area boy. Got the privilege to meet Hunter a few times... Just a warm, personable, good dude.
I bottomed for Hunter at fisherman's wharf a few times
I feel like the message of this video is trying to convince me that Charles Barkley is a great golfer
Or straight!
I once saw Pence hit a home run off Jordan Zimmermann, pitching for the Nats, which I swear was above his shoulders. I have no idea how he got it, much less hit out of the park.
Cool vid. I definitely like me some unorthodox athletes. Bring back funky batting stances!
I am actually so glad you brought up Lincecum. When I was a kid I studied the man, I saw a similarly undersized and skinny pitcher. I ended up taking a lot of inspiration from him in how I threw and it made me throw much harder, more accurate and with more break.
I even had a former big leaguer as an instructor at the time and he noticed the massive improvement from the change and gave me the full green light to keep doing it and actually thought it was pretty brilliant.
Coaches for teams I’d play for of course would always try to shoot it down despite the results simply because it looked weird and in sports the common opinion is if it looks weird, it can’t be correct, even if the movement in question is designed specifically for that person through understanding of how their own body works.
Look at Jasprit Bumrah bowling or Lasith Malinga maybe. they might fit this criteria. Both legends
sport: cricket
Giants fan living in Colorado. I remember the first time I saw him life at Coor's, was in the second deck in right. Even though I had seen him plenty on TV, watching him in person was actually inspiring. I had better fundamental mechanics than him in highschool, yet he made it work. What a fun player to watch.
To me, Pence was reminiscent of the old school players from the 1960s and before. From a technical standpoint, he did things the way coaches wanted, but it doesn't look the same as others.
seeing you posted a new video makes me happy already and after looking it I know why again
When hunter pence gets hot he can carry your team in October
Awesome video. Subscribed
Really nice video. Thanks for making it kind sir. I am subscrib
I know you're talking about team sports in this video, but I couldn't help being reminded of track athletes like Joseph Fahnbulleh and Nick Symmonds who had successful careers despite running form that could hardly be described as graceful.
good video, not sure how long your channel has been around but if you keep this up you’re going to have a lot more subscribers
It's not that "some more recent studies have played down this effect..." it's that the strong Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is total bunk. The weak version of the hypothesis is supported by some evidence, and there are some effects with regard to the processing speed with which colors can be distinguished as you said, and there are some other examples. That said, language DOES NOT inhibit or enable the ability to do math, or to distinguish the past and present, etc, and Sapir and Whorf first hypothesized. It's a small effect, and the language itself, as opposed to broader enculturation and experience, isn't responsible for forming schemas or prototypes
The true anti-Pence paradox would be Todd Marinovich, a human experiment in drilling in absolutely perfect mechanics from before birth…who did not have great results.
Devils advocate: the only knock about doing something not the 'standard' way would be that in certain instances it could be unsustainable in the long term, more prone to injury. Hunter pence for sure had a successful mlb career. If he had been more orthodox would he of lasted longer? Would he of even had a successful career without being unorthodox? Guess we'll never know. Nice video.
Two things- 1. He has a spinal disease that causes that slight curvature and compression. So he had no choice. 2. He had a relatively healthy career and played until he was 37! His injuries were mostly bad luck like a hbp or running into walls.
This sort of proves this theory. We assume the awkward player to have injury issues, but he limped to the finish line like every player after year 32.
I was a hunter pence. I played internationally after college in Europe and Australia, but I was definitely a hunter pence. My brother who played D1 used to tell me I was ichiro from the right side lol my nickname in college was Gooch
let me throw sidearmahhhh
I always just felt like Hunter Pence was about to start singing about Two Princes.
This guy is still the most interesting player I’ve ever seen in my life
I loved watching Pence play. Such a funky player but so damn good. Do a video on Youk next
Look at Usain Bolt, it is a slightly different case where it is not just ineffective but also just a worse method; he bobs side to side as he runs.
Hunter pence has the weirdest anything motions on a baseball field. Has a awkward swing, weird throwing motion especially for an outfielder, and runs kinda goofy. Yet despite all this he was an above average bat giving you a solid .280 hitter with about 20 homers a year out of it and about average defense to complement it. Despite his unorthodox play he played in 14 seasons and has a couple rings to show so id say he had a good career
Come for the baseball player discussion, stay for learning how human works 😮
As someone disappointed Royals lost in '14 I try to forget about Pence/Sandoval/Bumgarner. But good KC won following year
Are there modern mlb players that fit this description?
What song is this
Can someone inform who number 47 from the giants is with the dreads who threw the funky pitch please someone help me
Johhny Cueto!
@@studentofthegame thanx bro first time here content is 🔥🔥🔥keep up the grind gotta sub from me ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
i abused the fact that people couldnt hit things theyve never seen before, wasnt a very good pitcher but i had like 10 seperate deliveries
Oh, Pence was the epitome of unorthodox, but he was a hell of a player.
Saw him hit a cycle in aaa it was so cool.
Loved the video and I'm a BIG Hunter Pence fan, he played with grit, heart, dedication and RESPECT for the game!!!!!..........but in my opinion alot less SCIENCE and alot more showing of the player in question!!!!!!!.......... SHOWCASE THE PLAYER AND WAT HE HAS DONE OR CONTINUE TO DO!!!!!
Pence would definitely get overlooked in today's MLB with it's hyper focus on swing mechanics with analytics.
The 🐘- Hunter Pence had a spine disease. Tim Tebow had Percey Harvin.
maybe I'm just dumb but I'm struggling to figure out what was unusual about Hunter Pence's swing, it looks like a pretty normal swing to me...?
This is what Monyball presented right? Players who were overlooked for one reason or another. Not fitting the mold of an athlete, being older, personality flaws.
If a guy or girl is successful with their own style, coaches should shut it and let them play.
Just wish you would've included more clips of his "weird" movements
Hunter pence saves dolphins.
Headlines wrong. He was a GREAT athlete. Just had terrible form in damn near everything baseball. He was just good enough to make it work for him.
There really isn’t much normal, there are things that are sone similarly by a good amount of people but everyone is different in their movements
I bottomed for Hunter
There is nothing fundamentally sound about Pence at all. He makes everything work
I don’t think you understand what a paradox is.
Neither do I
it's one dox added to another.
People are too simple to Not try and "coach it out of them."
they want "Reversion to the NORM"
I have seen bad players with pretty swings get more chances than good players with Ugly Mechanics.
i wonder how ichiro wasn't mentioned here. he was incredibly unorthodox.
tony batista got a 40 HR season out of the ugliest batting stance in the history of baseball.
football and basketball got mentioned, but no hockey. may i present dominik hasek.
Quirky is one thing. Pence, however, wasn't close to being quirky. He was an absolute hot mess. So far beyond quirky it truly was unfathomable. How you gonna hit when your dancing a jig in the box? Yet he did. Way above average. With power. Why you gotta throw like a T-ball rookie? My god...that throwing motion. And yet it was a rocket. And deadly accurate. How!? And that running "style"? The first time I saw it, I literally thought the network was making use of "old timers" video software to spoof viewers. To be talented enough to overcome one of those things and still be good enough to play professionally (say Single A) is a heck of a story. But to overcome each and every one of his idiosyncrasies and make it all the way to the Bigs...and have a way-above-average career...that takes scary talent.
Ran harder than anyone in the game.
lol trying to make baseball seem interesting in 2024 is a losing game...we've already moved on to sports that don't have a seventh ining stretch because everyone is sleeping
I’m really curious to see if there’s a connection between unorthodox athletes and autism. Asperger’s runs in one side of my family (diagnosed in two generations, obvious yet undiagnosed in the previous few) and that side of my family tends to be really good at sports, especially baseball. We’re not even a large family and we’ve had multiple MLB pros and even a Hall of Fame unorthodox pitcher in the family tree.
Whereas most NBA players start their jump shot by jumping , stopping, then flicking their wrist over their head Steph Curry starts his trademark 3 point shot from around his waist and then draws the ball over his head and then shoots all in one motion.
Its was a good video but you barely talked about hunter pence