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Can any pianist here who has played them rank them by difficulty and say their main difficulties? It would be really helpful
I am playing op 10 No 8, op 25 No 10 and 12 at the moment. They are my first Chopin études :).
For op 10 No 8, it’s all about keeping the shape of the right hand right hand and releasing the thumb. Here is some of my knowledge on this:
1. It shouldn’t twist around on every turn
2. it should be very relaxed
3. A good trick is making sure your elbow is right elbow is hanging and being moved by only your hand.
4. You get a lot of places to have breaks for your tired fingers which is great
5. Left hand must be played rly musical playful along with the right hand. No mechanical Asian robot 5 year old style playing. You must think of your phrasing.
So far practicing this particular etude, I have “unlocked” the gist of this etude. It seems that once you understand it and have tried it out a few times it’ll be easy enough.
For op 25 No 10 however it’s a different story, I still haven’t really unlocked the “gist” of this one. I think having large enough hands is an advantage for this piece but it is still really hard, probably top 3 hardest of op. 25. My Advice:
1. From the get-go you have to try to feel the bottom of the keyboard to then feel like your hands are part of the keyboard.
2. Definitely follow fingerings because they are so, so, so important in keeping Legato! You shouldn’t Staccato at all because that isn’t what the etude is about!
3. Wrists and arms should be really relaxed or else you just won’t make it 3 lines into the piece 😂.
4. Don’t depend on pedal because it can sound horrible if you over pedal.
5. Use the beautiful B section as your break that Chopin kindly gave you. Take it slow, the tempo marking is “lento” so you must rest. The difficulty here is musicality and how delicate the melody is.
6. More octaves After as well
7. Try to find little moments of rest by decrescendoing (is that a word?) at appropriate and effective points.
Warning: this etude takes lots of stamina.
For op 25 No 12, it’s more of a challenge for your fitness. This etude is actually a lot easier than it sounds which I am glad of! Here’s a few tips:
1. The key to unlocking this etude is being as relaxed as possible to shift from one position to another.
2. One difficulty is making it sound clean enough without too many wrong notes which can ruin your pedalling because there is a lot of pedal used in this etude. So keep it clean.
3. You can try practice (this goes for op 10 No 8 as well) by playing each hand position as a block chord and quickly switching to the next, then the next. This’ll help you get more of an idea and a habit in keeping hand position.
4. Save your stamina for the end! You are playing the same thing for ~8 pages with power and It says play as loud as possible near the end and you need to make it sound convincing! There are particular points on the etude where it has diminuendos which you can use as little rests.
6. Think of the accented notes as a melody. This etude is actually very musical like all of Chopins études so you must be smart about it!
Idk I might add more but those some of the things I’ve learnt. I hope this helps and good luck if you are trying to choose one. o7
Annique Göttler who owns the CZcams channel “Heart of Keys” has made Chopin etude rankings on that channel. She is a concert pianist that just finished her Concert exam where she performed all 24 Chopin études in one sitting! I think she may know a bit more than me 😂
I’ve played op 25 no 1 and I do have to say, the hardest bit is getting the voicing right. Oh ye and that killer ending Arpeggio run T^T. The technique most people can’t get is the wrist rotations, making it 10x easier to play. :D
For opus 10 this is from easiest to hardest: 6,9,3,11,5,12,10,8,7,4,1,2 (obviously just my opinion but I’ve learnt them all though I still struggle with no2 to get a good performance!)
@@cheesyingot7374 in fact I am studying that one and I need it done in 3 months. Any tips on how you are studying it? I think I still don't get the idea of the movement, I see people moving their elbows up and down but also they move their wrists, is it played with that type of exaggerated movement? Do I have to lift the rest of my hands when I play the melody notes with the pinky as many people say?
Referring to op. 10 no.3 , Chopin said that he had never in his life written another such beautiful melody.
It’s indeed a beauty!!!
You should finish reacting to his nocturnes! The later ones are very beautiful!
YES!
Op 48 no1 is my favorite nocturne and in my top 5 Chopin pieces for sure
@@giovannib27 This is probably the top most priority for Chopin pieces that he should be listening to. Op. 48 No. 1 is easily one of his best Nocturnes.
Op 62 is amazing
@@kaysonpiano I actually am finishing up learning it rn, just cleaning up that last part, ill be posting a recording on my channel soon :)
Chopin is such a great romantic composer that even his exercise pieces are absolutely gorgeous. They were also so famous that any set of etudes written after this is in response to Chopin. The preludes have a similar prestige among composers.
The Etudes op.10 were the first Chopin recording I bought. I can hear even before the end of the first etude that the pianist is something special.
just wanted to let you know that the yt channel ‘heart of the keys’ has a good ranking of the etudes if you’d want to see that. there are a lot of ranking videos of these etudes on youtube
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Really enjoyed this video! Makes me remember what my life was like before i discovered classical music. It was very emotionless, and unhappy. Everything seemed gray and purposless. Thank you so much for giving these masterpieces and honest listen. I get sad when i meet people who dont like classical music. For me, music provides me with emotions that cant be put into words. I would really love to see yoy also react to the liszt etudes.
Frederic Chiu is indeed a very unique pianist. The left hand voicing at 11:20, 20:05, and 10-8, 10-10 as a whole. I've never heard anything like that before. He really brings out the left hand to sing in 10-8 with insanely light right hand arpeggios. 10-10 sounds like a totally different piece! The fact that he created a unique dotted-like atmosphere(interpretation) purely with voicing is insane.
Chiu did a very nice recording of the Mazurkas, but for me, Pollini mastered the etudes.
I'm not a professional pianist, and I haven't played all of them, but here's a rough difficulty ranking :
For Op. 10, the difficulty is 2 > 1, 4, 7, 8 > 3, 6, 9, 10, 11 > 5, 12. Ones in the same difficulty range might switch places depending on the person.
Op. 10, No. 2 is insanely hard - it tortures your 3, 4, 5th right hand fingers. You can't play the chromatic melody normally because of the RH chords. Sounds very easy but it is one of the most difficult etudes, even including the Op. 25 set. You need incredible strength, independence, and dexterity for your 3, 4, 5th fingers. Just imagine doing chromatic scales only with your 3, 4, 5th fingers at that speed.. Dmitry Shishkin has an incredibly fast interpretation for this.
Some notes :
10-1 is also much more difficult than it sounds, since it is not a normal arpeggio. The very first C major arpeggio goes : C - G - C - E which is a 10th chord. There are insane stretches later in the etude and you need precise wrist and arm movements to connect these large arpeggios. (The indicated speed is very very fast)
10-4 is just difficult. Very awkward fingering and hand positions, fast notes, leaps.. It sounds difficult too.
10-8 is also very difficult. Most of the right hand arpeggios are white notes which makes it harder, and the right hand is stressed for 2 minutes non-stop.
10-9 might injure your left hand due to passages with large gaps in the left hand.
10-11 is apparently an etude for large arpeggios. Reminds me of Liszt's Transcendental Etudes No. 11 "Harmonies du Soir"..
Chiu takes a unique approach with 10-10; it sounds like there is some dotted melody in the right hand or in the left hand, but it came from purely voicing. If you listen to Seong-Jin Cho's performance on CZcams, you'll notice how Chiu's voicing is VERY unique. Never seen it.
10-3, 10-6 are nocturne-styled etudes.
10-5 and 10-12 is one of the easier Chopin etudes, often recommended as one's first Chopin etude.
10-6 is a great starting etude as well, since the difficulty lies more with the musicality of one's performance, which is also an important dimension that any aspiring pianist should tackle.
YES #4 is complicated BUT at the same time was composed to help develop a pianist’s agility and endurance. I studied most of them as a piano student. The last one “The Revolutionary Etude”#12 is one of my favorites. I haven’t played them in years BUT your video now has invoked me to start playing them again. Check out my performances at “ProCAN musik “ or “ Benefit Recital” by Charles Nwachukwu which I performed “Mephisto waltz” by Franz Liszt and other great works
Ooof I just love no. 3 so much 4:03
Probably my favorite, I also love it very much…
Superb, decent and honest reactions. Thanks!
Haha your reactions are priceless! I love Chopin Etudes! I played about 4 of op 10 and 2 of op 25 in college, they're so difficult tho! 😢
My understanding is that etudes is the French word for studies.
Each short piece is intended to focus the player on improving specific aspects of piano playing.
More for the player to practice and improve, less for the listener to enjoy... though enjoy we do!
YESSS THANK YOU! I was waiting for this reaction, You have made my day! 😄
In 2025 there will be the next Chopin Competition in Warsaw, i hope you ll be able follow it live from their youtube channel :)
31:30 if you’re interested you can read Alfred Cortot analysis he did for almost every Chopin pieces, he’s always very inspired 👍
The most beautiful music there is!
huh, really? this is the most beautiful classical music there is in your opinion? a set of piano études?
edit: that being said, you have a really interesting channel with some cool music!
Very beautiful, but not even close to be The most beautiful music.
@@Ziad3195 Thanks a lot!!
@@Dylonely42his op 25 no 1, op 10 no 3, op 25 no 6 is some of the most beautiful and unique music that exists so you’re wrong asf
Beauty cannot be measured objectively, it’s entirely opinion based/subjective
This pianist is a monster with some of the tempo! Wow.
you may not have expected it based on your list of etudes that sounded difficult, but the hardest ones in this set are no 1, no 2 and no 4 but out of these no 2 is probably the most difficult, however no 1 may be harder for some people. both of those would be more difficult than no 4 for most people
Oh wow, the interesting thing to me as the listener is how some of them sound easy but it’s just the pianist that’s really good. Enjoyed it tho
@@GIDIREACTS It really is. Especially 10-1 and 10-2.. Sounds very easy but they are one of the most difficult chopin etudes, or even one of the most difficult pieces Chopin wrote.
I don’t even think I’d put 10-4 at 3rd among the opus 10 though, I’d probably give that to 10-10; notoriously difficult to play because of the phrase markings Chopin scattered across it lol. Chiu does an unbelievable job with these weird accents, slurs, etc.
@@skillbomb8823 ah okay, I have the sheet music for 10-10 but I haven’t checked it out or attempted the piece yet, thanks for letting me know
@@user-fq7uh3wq1for even the hardest pieces for piano that have been ever written
Don’t forget his nocturnes
I think most pianists that have studied these would say the hardest is No. 1 and No. 2 out of the Op. 10 set. No. 1 is hard to play at the tempo most professionals do it, one note wrong and everyone can hear it. It's also difficult to phrase it well since there are so many waves going up and down. The second one is considered a finger buster, it's like a mini Feux Follets.
I actually think it’s harder than faux follets. Sure the double notes on 4/5 are harder but it’s a smaller part of the overall piece where as this study from start to end is tiring on 3/4/5 such that you actually feel muscle burnout by the end.
@@joshyman221definitely not, the double notes in feux follets aren’t the only difficult technique in the piece, there are lots of very difficult parts in the piece. not to mention the fact that the double notes appear many times throughout the piece, even towards the end where you may be fatigued. feux follets has extreme difficulties for both hands whereas it’s mainly just the right hand in op 10 no 2. and feux follets is about 2x longer if not slightly more which makes it more likely that you’ll be tired by the end. and it’s harder to voice feux follets well
I love the number one in C major. It’s Devine! Wish I can play it! Lol
In general, Op.10 no 1 and 2 are considered the most difficult among all of his etudes.
No 1 because you have to do wide arpeggios, this means you pull in your hand and extract it constantly. It is also extremely hard to make it sound clear and perform it with a wide range of dynamics.
No 2 because of the the extremely awkward position of your third, fourth and fifth finger (middle finger, ring finger, little finger), which requires a high amount of finger independence of those fingers. Also, the pace is really high and they are many quick jumps in your left hand (although that’s not the main reason of it being difficult).
You should definitely listen to the David concerto
I can see you LOVE number 3 in E!!!
I love black key etude
thanks gidi
5:39
The second one is soooooo complicated... I'm trying to learn it bevause i can play some others but this one is definitely giving me a hard time... Playing it a tempo seems impossible 😢
While you are exploring etudes, you should definately look up Amedee Mereaux's "Bravura" etude. Pretty much the hardest work in the whole piano repertoire and when you see somebody play it you will see why.
Sound disrupted at around 29:30, very briefly though. Thank you!
I been seeing a lot of comments saying you should finish reacting to the Nocturnes so I will leave here my top 4 that I personally believe you should prioritize over all others.
#1 - Op. 48 No. 1 (Valentina Lisitsa I personally think has best interpretation of this piece)
#2 - Op. 62 No. 1 (Daniil Trifonov first stage Chopin Competition 2010)
#3 - Op. 55 No. 2 (Daniel Barenboim - this recording is the best by far: czcams.com/video/b9U02J-Bz1E/video.html )
#4 - Op. 72 No. 1 (Arthur Rubinstein)
Enjoy! 😊🎶
Number 25 was considered more intimate and not quite as expansive as number 10, so perhaps that's what you felt.
I usually don't like Chopin, but I like some of his works, especially his etudes.
You Philistine! ;)
@@Kavala76 ?
@@yuk_notkim7658 philistine (adjective): Lacking in appreciation for art or culture (becuase you said "I usually don't like Chopin")
;) = an emoji indicating a wink (i.e. not serious/ a joke)
I was attempting, apparently unsuccessfully, a humorous "insult".
All that means is that maybe you did not hear the very best performance. Not all accomplished pianists bring out the best of every piece... And with Chopin, you have to be in the right frame of mind, to listen... Don't try to listen to Chopin while having a conversation (I mean, texting, or scrolling through social media). Set everything aside and drink it in, measure by measure like sip by sip - exactly the way you would sip a fine wine... And then revisit it, a little while later, and listen again. You will recognize it the way you would a long-lost friend. With classical music, you need to know a little bit about their life (Chopin was fleeing Russian atrocities, exactly the way some Ukrainians are fleeing now); later in life, he was battling tuberculosis... As an immigrant in Paris, even though he was famous and acclaimed, he had to go through all the difficulties of "adapting" and "starting over." The performances selected here by GIDI are superb! And I can always recommend listening to anything at all, including Chopin, with Lang Lang at the keyboard. He is very emotive & he has such a light, thoughtful, quick touch, I am always astonished. So give it a try. And how about taking 5 minutes to hear "Lang Lang plays with his father" (at Carnegie Hall), a video here on YT that is eye-popping and just a ton of fun! You'll be glad you were adventurous and gave this kind of performance a chance to surprise you.
@@Kavala76 Oh, I see. I just prefer composers like Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, and Scarlatti. I just dislike Chopin for some reason.
Great video as always. Do you plan on listening to Chopin’s etudes Op.25 as well?
He has already, etudes 1-5 are about 3-4 months ago as a video and the other 7 were on his first live stream if you scroll back on the live section of his channel
He did it with Traum's performance.
Op. 10 is really good but Chopin really outdid it with op. 25
YES
Op. 10 no. 4 and op. 25 no. 11 are considered the most difficult etudes. When you listened to op. 25, the chatgroup told you that op. 25 no. 6 is the most difficult but that is debatable. Certainly difficult because of the thirds, but once you got used to them - after studying piano for 20 years - it's not that hard anymore. Op. 10 no. 6, the slow one, is a study for polyphony. Playing severeal voices at once and giving any one of them the meaning they deserve.
out of the op 10 etudes, no 4 is maybe the 3rd or 4th most difficult
no 2 is by far the hardest of the group and second is no 1
@@VicoMMIII Seems everyone has a different opinion on that topic. Some guy once said to me, that op 25 no 1 is the most difficult of them all.
Thats not true. Op 10 nr.2 is by far the most difficult one,and by a pretty long shot. It doesn’t sound as difficult as some of the others, but op.10 nr 2 (chromatic etude) takes several months to master for even very accomplished pianists. The story says that even Rachmaninoff struggled big time, with Op.10 nr.2 due to his big hands.
10-4 is not one of the most difficult etudes
@@WEEBLLOM I always thought it was. True.
Finaly! I would like subtitles in Portuguese.
I have to say: all were well performed .. except for number 12.. I found to be absolutely terrible musicality.. pulling ‘off’ on moments that are accentuated (by obvious musicality let alone the markings on the score)… I found it frustrating.. I play this piece.. I’m pretty musical though.. just never got around to properly training my technique.. this performance got better in the recapitulation ..
I love the etudes. I would have gone with the video recordings of these by Valentina Lisitsa.