Know Your Anima and Animus
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- Understanding the Anima and Animus as the Relating Function.
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Spectacular.
Thank you all, so much.
Thanks The Environomicron, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Thank you for the video. It has put a lot of things into perspective, heartbreaks can make someone turn against itself.
Very shaky waters to work with. Idk if its ok to share an experience that happened not long ago. Dating and meeting people.
I was dating someone who was depressed but always compensating with a ironic positive outlook, I just accepted him as he was. And In the dates I got to learn a lot of his life, dreams, perspective and desires. He punished himself a lot in things that he had no fault, like tripping or having difficulty breathing, he had degree of cerebral palsy and slight speech impediment, I didn't noticed nor had difficultly understanding even if he mentioned it. He had achieved a lot compared to the things that happened and that I was happy to be part of helping and being with when he was around. But he really needed to rest. He pushed himself a lot, I asked him to take breaks that I'll even cover but he just couldn't allow himself, I invited him on group hangouts and one on one dates.
To cut it short. He passed away. Just knowing him for 2 months. 25 years of life taken by his own hands. It's sucks, I'm grateful to have known him, and learned a lot of things with him. He was sweet, intelligent, and respectful. But just like that, one night and preparation... saw the tendency, Offered to help, he didn't want to, wanted to drive alone. I respected his desicion, he rode it and you check up to see if he was well, sticked around only to find out.
It really opened my eyes on a lot of other things. Im doing well, my brain is doing this thing where it imagines that he is around like a roommate when I remember him, telling me I should take care of myself that he is ok, to not worry. So I just do that. Just as I remember him. He told me I was doing the same with him in his brain. Telling him to take it slow or just being there listening, caring or playing with him. Before he passed.
Focused on taking things one day at a time. Thank you for reading. I see how the dynamic of anima and animus play out in different relationships. Not just romantic ones, family, friends. Etc.
Hi again, Amarilis Melendez, thank you for sharing the insights from your journey. Its a very moving account, all our very Best Wishes and Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Reality testing at its best..much Gratitude 🙏
Hi again, Baljit Hayre, reciprocally, to you, much gratitude... Kindest Regards and Best Wishes, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
I really want to thank Steve, Pauline and James for your hard work. I have been watching your videos for about a year. It was to me a huge insight to see the anima as a relating function and get away from all the suggestion that comes with "the inner woman" and feminine archetypes/icons. I also appreciate so much that you try not to describe what is "relating". My understanding is that the real nature of relating is non-algorithmic! Doing it properly engages me deeply and reveals to me what I need to be aware of. Cheers!
Cheers, Gabriel Schöninger, thank you so much for sharing your insight and experience, it will help others.... Respect and Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Absolutely stellar
Blessings, Stephen, thanks for your kind comment. It helps the channel and the team to know that the work is so very much appreciated. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
This must be the one I was waiting for. Thanks as always guys!
Hi again, Conor Toolan, thanks so much, Respect and Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
I get a lot of help from your dialectics. I also relate to the "sunshine" thing because it was what took me out of the sadness of losing a sibling and a bestfriend within 30 days of each other. The death of my brother made me recall our spider hunting days in the woods when we were very small. I remember the beauty of sunlight through spiderweb with the morning dew and the green of the branches of the trees. I was 5 years old and the image is still powerful.
Hi again, Aurora M, thank you so much for sharing your insights and your kind comment. Blessings to your Brother's memory, and your kindness in sharing it. Respect and Best Wishes, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
This gently resonates with my own loss & numinous experience of spiderwebs as a child. Thank you !🙏
This episode really underscores how fortunate I feel to have found this channel during my own 'convalescence''. Traditional Jungian analysis was re-traumatizing and was taking me down the same rabbit hole of fantasy I took as a child, only a more sophisticated, seductive and inductive, adult-sized rabbit hole. As a student on this course, I understand the difference between collapsing into mythopoetic language for purposes of rapport, metaphor or dialectical syncretism. The model allows us that freedom as long as we do not mistake the representation of the thing for the thing in and of itself. We have the freedom to uncollapse, even from the model itself, as we are always encouraged to pressure test it against the reality of lived experience. Btw, the calibre of the questions/students coming in is mind-blowing 🙏🏻
Blessings Sharron, your life experience and depth of character are enriching for those you meet, and for your professional colleagues too. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
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Listening to this seminar was perfect timing for me especially what I’m currently experiencing. Archetypal ideologies (or even just characters from fantasy) are so devoid from any reality. It seems like though people can project the so-called archetype of the king out onto someone who can fit the projection, and whether or not the person becomes inflated from that is it up to them. But the idea of them being a king has no real world application and if anything just projection and transference from others. It seems like archetypes live as cultural associations that people associated psycho-socially from myths, movies, tv shows and etc. projected out into the culture onto a person or media such as films or shows. The reality of things is concealed by fantasy, and others who project this kind of thing out onto others are probably also not living instinctively.
Cheers, Tuw, as ever, your insights are so very valuable to all. Respect, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Watching this for the second time, I want to take the time to acknowledge the handsome young man who posed these excellent questions. I'm so sorry for your breakup. I don't know any specifics about your situation, except to say that I appreciate your honesty and vulnerability by contributing to (and making possible) a wonderful video like this. I personally believe that economic forces have caused the millennial generation to be poorer than boomers were in young adulthood (2008 global recession caused by derivatives market, US young adults tens of thousands of dollars in college debt, unaffordable housing due to real estate inflation, global pandemic, etc.); in our generation we're not marrying because of that, or fighting once paired to resist the effects of these forces; "feminism" is a cover women use to justify economic decisions and weakness -- this video explains the mechanism of the adoption of such an ideology by women; "mgtow" is the correlate in men, and one I truly don't understand! but wish to guard against. Stay strong, keep trying. You WILL find a woman to love you. Best wishes.
The Goddess weaponizes the man in order to capture the woman's soul -- I'd like to hear more about this. Fascinating.
Thanks Michelle, the Student will be able to read your kind post. The team really appreciate your shared inisghts. We've scheduled a series of videos to over the topics you mention. Kindest Regards and Best Wishes, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Wow, this video resonated with me on a deeply personal level. The insights shared by you two here were so applicable to my own life that it was nothing short of synchronistic. I also have massive respect and appreciation for the student that brought such important and thought provoking questions to the table and made this dialectic possible. Thank you for this.
Hi again, Thyself, thanks so much for sharing, the student will be able to see your kind comment, it was good of him to agree to its release, and we're glad that its been of help. Thanks again for your ongoing support for the channel. Respect, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Very enlightening video, respect to you guys 🙏
Hi again, TheGreatGriff, and reciprocally, to you, thanks for your ongoing support for the channel, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Very useful discussion! Pauline's explanation on the habituation of relating within a couple through a fixed dynamic involving parental complexes and attempting to fit in the other's projection, the calcinatio, really stood out to me. It is something that needs work in my personal life but is also applicable to some of my friends with relationship trouble. It even helps explain some of the dynamic between my parents. It is interesting that even though the topic of the Anima and Animus has been discussed so many times before there's still so much nuance and different angles to be covered! Really goes to show how much you guys have uncovered through honest engagement and decades of clinical work! I am truly grateful that I can learn from you! Great discussion provoked by very intelligent, stimulating questions! Thank you!
Hi again, Petar, huge thanks for your comment, its great to know that the next generation is so highly motivated andf professional. Respect and Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
This was an amazing episode, very well articulated and to the core.
Thanks, Smorrie, thats really appreciated by the team, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
It's weird for me now to see how I reacted when I experienced a breakup. Like I shut down at first, but later started being defensive aka «not loving again» or using other concepts about it. I even was mysogynistic, projected onto every woman. Weird times, really weird. One breakup and major projection on all of them. But now I know it's not true. Others should not suffer because of one single event and unlucky relationship. Weird how rejection was also felt... like an inability to accept rejection. Because obviously one can't force someone to be with someone. And rejection/breakup at the same time feels like something personal, though this decision is made by another person. I mean no one is responsible for actions of others, except in some instances, like giving some bad advice, which was harmful or something else. it may sound quite cynical, but I've come to an idea that caring less is a good thing. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, not actions of others. Maybe, a thick skin is an outcome of such life-tragedies.
Btw, probably I experienced that collision with some kind of a «death demon», because she represented some reckless la femme fatale, who can be found in noir films. She even liked and adored some actress (Eva Green), who portrays mostly femmes fatales. And ironically, the answer was under my nose, but I was blind. And she just copycat that behavior of that actress. Hilarious and sad at the same time, because it was not pleasant at all. If you've seen noir films, you'd get the point. Lots of manipulations, weird actions, pretending to be someone and at the same time exploiting men's weakness. Probably, it is some kind of a «death demon», because one can't sleep, one can't eat and at the same time one experiences brain fog and nervousness. And the whole experience itself is crazy and not healthy at all.
It's interesting to find out how much 'compensation' there is in the psychological aspects of our relationships; if there's frustration or suppression of one or more instinctive needs, you will often find a compensatory 'dialling up' of others. I have found this to be a helpful lens when looking at the expression of the basic Pankseppian systems; sometimes I see them as a graphic equaliser that can be adjusted to find the optimum sound / wave-form.
Cheers, James DSrew, as ever a very interesting angle that you have taken. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
resonating with the compensatory dialing up & graphic equalizer metaphor 😅
Coming back to these videos brings with it a massive sense of relief, for no longer a want of understanding from another. The depth that you have gone into understanding, seems to me, from my own context, completely unprecedented, and more than likely it is this way for many many others. Thank you, and cheers again.
Therein lies the qquest... now that it is known to me that my own experience is understood at the kind of depth that is shared between myself and other lads at this stage of development, I am now to go out and do my own creative generative work, according to my own potential. It seems that for many, including myself, it is required that one feels at home in oneself before the true outer work can begin. Blessings 🙏.
Hi again, @smugmonkey6147, thanks so much for your very kind words, Respect to You and for Your Journey, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
Hi @smugmonkey6147, that sounds like a 'Calling' to me. Kindest Regards, Steve
Thank you, this helped me while going through a current breakup of a relationship. Look forward, become aware of new opportunities, don’t become stuck in affect. Very valuable, as always.🙏🏻
Hi again, @sven8880, so glad that thie video was of help to you. Thanks for your ongoing support for the channel and our work. As ever, Respect tp You, and for Youre Journey, Kindest Rergards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Very informative discussion. Thank you 👍
Hi 10,000diamondeyes, thank you for your comment, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline 🙏🙏
The end of the first segment caught me off guard about the first generation of Jungians, I tend to carry with me in everyday life a sort of hyper awareness of the thoughts that rise up in me especially the ones that feel more unannounced from my psyche and or ego conscious. To a sub conscious degree I would have to say I had a feeling when getting into jungian psychology something was or might encourage this manipulative act that Steve spoke of, so my choice was and still is to "take back my projections" and look at them inwardly and not project unto anyone in my day to day life. Keeping with Jungian terminology sometimes this would fail and faulter because I get caught in a conversation or interaction where I can't help but express inner gold or share those relating moments with co workers or friends which since then I've learned to just share those warm moments with them, it's more cruel of me to not be genuine to them in those moments then for me to hold everything inside and figure it all out right then and there out of some fear of my shadow rising up due whatever situation.
Going back, my best friend as also gotten into psychology and I lend him the books I have finished reading and analyzing, He seemed to really wanna talk to me more often then before and wanted to psycho analyize each other. This made me push him away because I have learned to enjoy the solitude of self analyzing myself because no one in this world knows anyone better then yourself. That is something I deeply believe in, and his likely positive intentions has kind of soured my end of our relationship, I talk to him and hang out with him here and there but the conflicted value of that belief and that feeling I had in the back of my mind that the first gen Jungians dealt with is what keeps me away from talking to people or connecting to people on a deep level when it comes to psychology of that nature.
Another very insightful video, again thank you so much for all that you guys do!
Hi again, @notshalltear4177 thanks for sharing your insightful experiences. Blessings and Respect for You, and for Your ongoing Journey. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline 🙏🙏
It’s scary how accurate you described my relationship. It was completely unconscious. This is so i don’t know…I’m lost
Keep engaged with the journey. Kindest Regards, Steve
Hey guys, love what you've done and I've found a lot of what you've said super helpful for helping me understand my own relating better. Just one thing in this video which didn't quite fit right and from my personal experience I think is important to talk about, towards the end of the video you talked about not collapsing into yourself when a relationship ends. After a string of 3 dysfunctional relationships I saw super unhealthy patterns of behaviour in myself which I felt I had to address to stop the repeating string of dysfunction - this led me down an incredibly painful path of dealing with a lot of problems from my past which at the time I stuffed away, but have now had room to deal with, acknowledge and the way I understand myself, my relationship with my family members and others has fundamentally changed (many Freudian issues coming to the surface).
Earlier in the video you spoke about how once couples move past the infatuation stage and projections fade and the relationship becomes more conscious, peoples issues start surfacing more (this is what kept happening to me in hindsight). Do you not think it's important if this dynamic keeps playing out the individual takes time to collapse in on themselves temporarily to address these issues so they don't play out in the same way in the future?
Keep up with the great content, it's helped me & clearly so many others tremendously!
Monty
Hi lemoniceymo, many thanks for your thoughtful post, kind remarks, and sharing of your experience. Re the avoidence of 'collapse', as we say in the video, a 'conservation withdrawal' is a natural and often necessary retraction of libido and engagement with the world, and that is a much more preferable response (and self-model) than falling into depression, and the 'singularity' that can follow it. Internal reflection and homeostatic resorting, is not 'collapse' as we use the term, rather its an opportunity for re-sorting adaptation and appropriate learning from experience. Too many psychotherapy schools, that self-identify as a 'depth psychology' method, encourage 'detression' and actively stimulate fanatsies that can take a person out from reality orientation and into dependence on the 'therapist'. There's a video on CZcams of a Jungtian analyst recounting how he told a new patient who had been sexually abused as a child and now had marriage and parenting issues, that he should expect a six-year 'alchemical process' in order to work through what had happened to him. The fact that this is a routine suggestion from Jungians, is iatrogenic, and even abuse in and of itself. The whole context of the person, should decide the approach, in each and every case. Not cult-like dogma based on vicarious fantasies, induced in patients. So, yes, of course, each individual is free, under the effects of a healthy homeostasis to enter into a period of reflection as part of their healing process. That is different from depression, however, which must never be elevated into some kind of quasi religious virtue by a controlling therapist. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
@@JungToLiveBy Thanks for taking the time to clarify 🙌
Thank you 💛
Hi again, Laura, thank You, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
Good Morning, great video. My questiion has to do with where Steve and Pauline stated that some therapist inappropiately start relationships with their clients because of an unfulfilled need ,an unmet desire or longing because their partner isn't interested in walking that path for themselves. Is it possible to have this need met externally by someone else you love but are not "in love with" or since some of us have to be our own mother and father is there a part of us hidden away that we can internally relate to to take care of this need, desire ,longing? Not use to the psychology jargon if this was already answered in the video, thanks.
Hi Kryptonian Terraformer, traditional analysis, is a kind of relationship that has no antecedent, so our biology (evolution) and our psychology, have to make some kind of interpretive sense of it by reference to other kinds of relationships. Hence the transference and counter-transference, take on their specific forms. Other approaches to therapy generate their own qualia of therapeutic relationship. Humans are born with innate anticipations of relating, so it’s vital that therapists are as hygienic as possible about their own needs for relating. Jung himself would not be considered an ethical practitioner these days, with respect to breaching boundaries. Similarly, many first generation Jungians too. Outside of therapy, there are many ways to live an authentic life. The bar must be set higher for therapists, of whatever school . Kindest Regards, Steve 🙏
Hi Steve!
I’ve seen in one of your videos what mistakes is possible to make while “integrating” the anima.
You mentioned the anima can hijack your senses. I’m thinking/ feeling type. As was mentioned when the anima comes up it comes wirh overwhelming emotions, it happened i just managed to maje progress wirh my shadow, and put them emotions down, needed a break after my shadow, then it moved into my head, no feelings and i’m doing it for a year, as also was mentioned it can cause a hige chaos in one’s life. Indeed it’s true.
Any idea how to climb out of this mess?
Hi @SkinlessCub8, by chance, we’re doing a big video in this right now, it’ll cover a huge amount around this and related issues, and I’ll keep in mind your question for it. Kindest Regards, Steve🙏
Is part of what you're saying is a mother shapes her son's animus to adapt to her, and that is what a prospective partner is dealing with? Thank you for the ultimate channel (internet gurus being necessary stops along the journey :)
Hi d, yes, that can happen, and when it does, it's often quite clear once the surface presentation is measured as a 'fugure' against the wider ground of the whole context that is the relationship(s) in question. Many thanks for your kind comment. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline
Amazing video and series but I must say that it's hard to glean how to solve our relationship with our anima or animus in a real way. How would one form healthy relationship with their relating functions in a real-world sense?
Hi, @xyttra, many thanks for your kind comment. The only way is in the doing, with all the learning that entails. Adaptation is an as close as is possible match, between your genomic potential, instincts and opportunity. That requires us to engage and to learn. It isn't easy, but it can be smoother than we often think. Relating should be at an affective (emotional conscious level) in the sense that affect engages our instincts to relate, whereas 'loop-cognition' keeps us suspended in rumination, and the virtual sandbox of fantasy. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline 🙏🙏
Hi Steve, usually, is a single archetype/ complex, predominant in an individual psyche, at any one time, or can there be a combination i.e. ego, shadow, anima etc. Thanks, David
Hi @dlgm161, thanks for your ongoing support for the channel. The best way to think about this, is that 'Superpositioning' is always present. Essentially, this means that what apparently manifests, is connected, with other factors, that are concealed, from our conscious view, but are neverthleless present. A 'complex' may appear to be psychological, but it will have a biological and psychosocial demension too. In effect, it is 'superpositioned' between the three domains, simultaneously. Any such combination is possible, and will give a different or conflicting 'conscious' representation. For example a physical symptom, may conceal the psychological 'cause' or a psychosocial (behavioural-relational) issue, may conceal a connection to a physical condition - whether 'real' or symbolic. The fact that 'information' pools, in representation, is very important. What's required then is a forensic inquisitiveness, to begin to see the whole picture. The same is true for so-called 'archetypes.' When they are fantasy projections, from the internal 'holding space' of unlived life and potential, they can conceal what needs to be done, to liberate ourselves from being entrapped in a virtual life. Many things manifest to us as 'psychological', but psychological-reductionism, is not the way to understand the true nature of the human condition. So, whatever manifests, to conscious awareness, initially, is just the surface structire of a very wide, simulateneous field of interrelationships. Be forensic, be curious, be kind (to yourself). That which is within, and without, of Ego consciousness, will appreciate your efforts. Kindest Regards, Steve
Thanks you. How can this relate to the process of grieving the death of a loved one/partner? There is much in therapy regarding the grieving process and how to assist it positively. I would be fascinated to know how you may approach this in clients.
Hi again, Ernest Berry-Songs Restored, that's a specialised area that's worked with according to the specifics of itself. The video was addressing the demographic of mainly young-men, who are under immense culrural pressure to self-delete, through induced despair and compensating,over amped hyper-masculinity. We will cover bereavment in a future video. Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
@@JungToLiveBy . Thanks for the reply. Such an important topic . Thank you for continuing to address this in your work . As a father of three sons I fully relate to it. I’m also very much aware of it culturally and watched this issue develop over the years. Needless to say I have managed it with my own boy in my own way and they cope well despite the social pressures put spin them. Thank you 🙏
like it 👍
Hi again, Philistine Horace, many thanks, Kindest Regards, Steve & Pauline🙏🙏
So you recommended "Women who run with the wolves" in "Ultimate Depth Psychology Reading List" video. So you don't recommend it anymore?
The author no longer supports her own work.
@@JungToLiveBy Ok. So it would be nice to put a disclaimer in "Ultimate Depth Psychology Reading List" at 24th minute :)
The comment was made in good faith at the time it was made.
@@JungToLiveBy yeah I know but I bought this book and now I regret after this video so I can see how some other person might be in the same boat in the future so it would be nice to warn those people who like me watch videos from the oldest to the newest 😅
I wanted to give it to some woman in the future but right now I wil read it some day just because of my curiosity and then hide it somewhere.
The content still stands, except insofar as the author has (apparently) moved away from it. That, is down to the author herself, not us.
How can a man clearly define the Anima?
Hi @adamsoto522, its a worked-through process, and highly individual, to the man concerned. If you join our Discord Server, there's plenty of worked through processes, from members and suppiort in this, there. Kindest Regards, Steve