Pickleball! Poacher Gets Punked! DUPR Collegiate National Championship Mixed Doubles Game!
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- In this video, the final game of the 2023 Collegiate Mixed Doubles Championship. The University of North Carolina vs The University of Virginia.
There's a major reason one team loses. What is it? Watch and find out.
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Some of them were a little much, but others were part of how mixed doubles is commonly played. There was at least one time the UNC male poached because his partner returned the serve and hadn't made it to the line yet, You want someone to poach there and protect their partner.
The UVA male player poaches some shots, too.
I understand about poaching if your partner doesn't move up. If he would have been athletic enough to cover the court once he poached, I wouldn't have that much of a problem with it. However, he couldn't. The court was left wide open for easy points.
To an extent. Not sure why people on the internet think that everything is black and white all or nothing. I think the message was that he was overall doing it to such an enormous amount that it wasn't just poaching it was ball grabbing everything on her side. Not even in the professional game do players do that. And you can see what happens when that happens, he leaves a huge gap on the other side.
If this is the national championship level for college players, I'm worried. Maybe the really good ones have turned pros. The North Carolina male player significantly overestimated his ability to cover the court: he took opportunities away from his capable female partner while not able to cover his own side of the court. I would not want to play with him. The degree to which he overtook the court was not respectful of the female player. Why have a partner if you don't trust them to play their part?
Gonna be a couple of years before the collegiate aspect catches up (it's weak now). Most are clubs and not sanctioned and the youth movement has begun in earnest. I anticipate high schools rolling it out (is a club in my area) and then it filtering up.
It's not an NCAA sport. To have a team, all that needs to happen is that two players need to agree to have a team. A few years from now, I think it will be much, much better.
Painful to watch. 😓
Not sure it was painful. I think the players, overall, were pretty good.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 The ball hogging was painful. Yes, players were pretty good notwithstanding questionable decisions along the way. ✅
Appreciate your content, Rory.👍
If you watch the game closely, you can see that the female in blue is much weaker. She missed two returns before they were down 7-1. She couldn’t deliver a third shot drop to get to the kitchen at 5:54. Her returns are not deep, she didn’t get to the kitchen after the 2nd shot. Before going into the game, the male player has a lot of pressure put in him to deliver the win, he stretched himself too far and made too many unforced errors.
At 1:48 poach, the male player should’ve drive the ball to the male opponent instead of cross court. Maybe he thought the female cross court couldn’t handle his bang. Instead of drive, maybe drop the shot.
At 2:55, the male player should have pounced that ball back with confidence if he went for it. He kind of hesitated because he didn’t know if his female partner was going to take it or not.
At 3:45, he should’ve continued to apply pressure to the front instead of cross court. It was the right move to poach but he needs to get back to the middle for coverage.
Overall, the dark blue team was better because they had a much better female player.
Thanks. I was just trying to point out, if a player poaches to the extent that he did. He must be quick enough to get back to the other side of the court and cover. Many times he could not.
To be fair, the VA male played similarly. After the first few points it seemed like a normal mixed doubles match with high level play.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your opinion.
So, if you go watch some early mixed doubles with Ben Johns, I think you'll see some of this. I know watching it early on I was quite bothered by that too but considering the player and the success he had both in mixed doubles as well as pickleball in general it is hard to argue with. I would guess they play that way most of the time they play and while I think it was extreme it possibly would have been worse if they changed how they normally played for this match. Not taking away from any player for sure as they all are very good players. I would probably just chalk this up to the winning team paying attention to the oppositions strategy and building their own to take advantage of weaknesses it created.
@michaelnoe1195 just think how good of a player Ben Johns partner might have been if Johns hadn't jumped in and taken their shots.
You would have to be the Flash to take a ball on the right hand line and get back and set to get the next ball which IS going to the left hand line.
Absolutely!
I get what you're saying. Thanks for watching.
Actually he doesn't. If you watch Ben Johns he actually let's waters hit a lot of her own shots. He might do it more with his brother but that's because they have a set plan in place. Also he's a top ranked player. The guy you're comparing his strategy to is not a top ranked player and I've seen many pro matches where nobody does this. You take center balls yes, but you don't chase your partner off her side like what he's doing.
I'm not a fan of mixed gender pb. The males outpower the females, and it's uncomfortable to watch the weakest female get targeted for the entire match. It's ridiculous.
Well...I prefer mixed doubles. I have a very good partner. When my opponents target her, it's usually a mistake.
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Watching a female being targeted for the entire match is an uncomfortable feeling. I've been in that position, and it's a rotten feeling. Most females are not on the same strength level as a man.
Where's their coach telling him to knock it off? What a jerk
It's s not considered an NCAA sport. I don't think they have a coach! LOL!
I think the game was played in the World Pickleball Format. I like to poach, but what I don't like is to take my partner's ball when it's not a strategic advantage because I'm needed to cover the rest of the court. Though the guy covered the court good enough, his backhand was off a bit. Probably because the opponents did a great job of attacking that position down the line.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment.
I was born too soon to get a scholarship to play college pickleball. I’m already jealous of these kids coming up that are going to be insane players by the time they’re teenagers. My 1y/o is going to wipe the floor with players like this one day lol
Well. There are no scholarships. It's not an NCAA sport. If you want to play collegiate pickleball all that has to happen is two players have to sign up. They don't have to try out or anything.
Love the channel. Recently played in a 2-3.5 tournament. Wondered if you would pick it apart?
I'd be happy to. The only way I can do it is if you have a CZcams channel and you send me the link.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I sent the link below. It was videoed by the other team. Jason Jackson sent it from his channel.
I think the lady in blue is better than her partner! God, Guns & Gumbo
Maybe so. Thanks for watching.
I agree. Her consistency and her range in how she can hit dinks and other shots is much better than him. It's not about mindless power. The guy is an idiot.
Won’t disagree with you. Could not get a very good look at the ball (9:42) because the UVA guys head was in the way.
Ok. I guess I didn't notice that. Thanks for watching.
I didn’t think he had the skills to be poaching so much especially if he hits cross court after poaching. He would have much more success if he would have hit the ball down the line after poaching which would not leave his side so opened. Some of it was just to much though. He did cost his team the game.
Thanks for agreeing. And, thanks for pointing out where he should have hit the ball after poaching.
It's the same strategy the pros use. The player with the strongest forehand sets up on that side. You'll see the women do it as well. It's just that this guy's game is not strong enough to pull out off. The strategy is correct though.
I realize that. I just wanted to point out that if you're not quick enough to do it, don't do it. Thanks for watching.
It was obvious, multiple times, that the UNC male player is not good enough to poach that far over and get back to cover the huge gap that he himself created.
A poach should be a surprise to your opponents.
The UVA players knew he would open that gap and they were ready with the return.
That is a perfect explanation of what happened. Thanks for watching.
I see this mistake in a lot of mixed doubles matches. The male player does not need to automatically try and take over for the female player just because they are the male player. They should only play that way if it actually increases the teams chances of winning the match. I could understand UNC male playing super agressively if the female player was a liability on the court but she appeared to be able to hold her own. Learning experience
I think she was very capable. I just think he thought he needed to take over. The problem was, when he poached, he was not quick enough to make it to the other side of the court, leaving it wide open.
@pickleballpick-apart9787 good point. The other team did very well at hitting the ball to the open spot.
We got beat. But it's about the journey.
Sometimes it's not all about winning.
No, it's about correcting your mindset your ego, your mentality that you're the only thing that's capable of doing anything right. You need to strengthen your partner, this life is more than what you think of yourself. There's other people in the world that you share existence with. And she's actually better than that loser.
Male player is taking way too much space and got punished for it. I get taking a bit of court as a strategy, but hogging every shot isn't ideal, especially when your partner can handle themselves. It's been proven over and over with the best players in the world on what is the proper thing to do (Ben Johns and ALW)
Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment.
He's no Ben Johns and should not be taking that many balls. His partner was very capable. He has decent skills and athleticism though.
He just couldn't cover the other half of the Court quick enough.
Great video I like it Rory thanks for sharing and your commentary. I have mixed thoughts on this one Rory. I do like pickleball is expanding its great stuff. IMO this looks like some tennis players that were convinced to join the intramural pickleball club to play in a Fraternity's beer money fundraiser tournament. No disrespect to you Rory but this is the type of events, again IMO, that does absolutely nothing to promote and advance pickleball as an activity or sport. The obvious to me is the crowd simply has no knowledge of how pickleball is played or scored. I'd like to think the crowd had a negative impact on the male player from NC but I'm not absolutely positive.
Collegiate pickleball is sponsored by dupr. I think there's another organization coming along as well. It's not an a credited NCAA sport. It's more like intramural. I'm sure dupr has plans to expand it and maybe one day have it as an NCAA sport. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching.
That guy was being so obnoxious. The thing is he's a worse player than her. He was missing so many shots and she was relatively very consistent. Also, this sport shouldn't be about the guy's ego trying to dominate a match. He should have realized that it knocks your partner's rhythm when you ball grab everything and then you let a random ball to her. She needs touches and she needs to hit the ball or she won't get into rhythem hitting a random shot every now and then. And sometimes when you let her hit one, she's surprised and she starts her motion and her mechanics late because she expected the guy to hit all the balls. It's not good for a team when someone thinks they're hot shit. Leave your ego at home. She was clearly a better player and he ball grabbed like he was Ben Johns in his mind.
Thanks for your opinion and thanks for watching.
good strategy but bad execution , anyone with more skills could have won these . but I see someone already told you in the comments
At high levels, that strategy is used quite often. The female player is targeted so the male player poaches. But, not so much that he knocks his partner out of the court and is not able to get back to cover the open court.
It turned out to be some kind of negative video. I think these players are not very pleased to watch this
Maybe he will see it as constructive criticism and in the future, not do it to the extent he is doing it.
I understand the male poaching in mixed but that was too much. Extreme not respecting the X!
I think he just wasn't quick enough and at times he went too far. Thanks for watching.
The guy definitely stretched out a few poaches further than he should have, but overall I don’t think it was as bad as you made it out to be. Had he made better shot selections, he could have gotten away with them. For those claiming the girl was a better player than the guy, that is just wrong. Why do you think the opposing team was hitting almost every ball to the girl? Because she is the better player? Obviously not. She made lots of unforced errors in the game, although the guy did too. I think the guy was just nervous and had a bad game… it happens.
I think you are right. He was very nervous. In big moments, some players can handle it, some players let their nerves get to him. Thanks for pointing that out.
If you watch the game closely, you can see that the female in blue is much weaker. She missed two returns before they were down 7-1. She couldn’t deliver a third shot drop to get to the kitchen at 5:54. Her returns are not deep, she didn’t get to the kitchen after the 2nd shot. Before going into the game, the male player has a lot of pressure put in him to deliver the win, he stretched himself too far and made too many unforced errors.
At 1:48 poach, the male player should’ve drive the ball to the male opponent instead of cross court. Maybe he thought the female cross court couldn’t handle his bang. Instead of drive, maybe drop the shot.
At 2:55, the male player should have pounced that ball back with confidence if he went for it. He kind of hesitated because he didn’t know if his female partner was going to take it or not.
At 3:45, he should’ve continued to apply pressure to the front instead of cross court. It was the right move to poach but he needs to get back to the middle for coverage.
Overall, the dark blue team was better because they had a much better female player.
Yes. The female player on the winning team was better.