Comparison Between CZ Scorpion Models and the New Scorpion 3+
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- čas přidán 13. 03. 2022
- In this video, we walk you through the comparisons between the CZ Scorpion 3+ and the previous generations of the Scorpion-the EVO 3 S2 Micro Pistol. With upgraded features like new locations for the magazine release and bolt catch, upgraded grip and sights, a re-designed magwell and more, the Scorpion is better than ever.
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its nice to see everyone's disapproval on the new model. that means all of us without older models should be able to find one easily!
Nice to see the new cowitness sights, but changing mags? I just lost all interest.
I don't get designing a new mag & catch considering the original EVO top complaints were about the grip, right side selector and trigger weight. Sounds too much like a solution in search of a problem which lead to an unnecessary proprietary mag. Not every gun needs AR features, in fact I really like the EVO's original mag catch.
For a company that pursues military and police contracts it absolutely makes sense that they'd want to have similar controls for both the Bren 2 and the Scorpion. Easier to sell them as a package then because it reduces training issues.
@@Aperson156 No Cross-Training between the EVO A1 Military Full-Auto SMG & the Bren 2, 1 is a Long-Range Carbine that can hit things at 500+ Yards, 1 is an 1150 R.P.M. SMG for Room Clearing
@@wizkaqueefa9003 You're extraordinarily dumb if you think people only get qualified on one weapon.
Exactly! If I wanted an AR I would buy one.
I agree with you 100 percent
I think a lot of us who have the Scorpion 3 will not be changing to the new gun on the solo reason that the mags are not interchangable. Meaning old mags will not work with new magwell.
Yeah that was really dumb on their part! Maybe someone will develop a cnc program to cut that rectangle on the side of the previous gen mags.
@Salad Breath The fact that you HAVE to do that
Ok but let me ask, if it were a "different" gun, different set up, and you were in the market, would you not buy it with all the mags you would need? My point is, This IS a different gun, featuring "AR" style release, so its bound to be designed to catch in a different area than the other mags, so why not consider just getting new mags, that COULD work in your old piece if you wanted to, but overall, why not consider it a new weapon, instead of an "upgrade" to what you have?
@Salad Breath dremmel works wonders. modern day solutions for modern day problems hahaha
Have you had any issues ? I am thinking to buy the Evo 3 Plus Carbine but I heard about some out of battery discharges.
Why in Earth would you change the mags??????!!!!!!!! The current mags are industry standard?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
think she explained the why pretty well, but yea, it sucks. looking at it though, might be worth trying to dremel that notch into the left side of an older scorpion mag, see how close you can get (raw curiousity here).
To sell more mags
To make a better mag release 🤷🏻♂️
Perfect for me, never had one. Just bought one right now! Great egos and love the changes you guys made.. makes 100% sense for the changes that were needed. Doesn’t make sense for me to get the old version and spill even more money to make it better, this comes perfect right out of the box.
Changing the magazines was a huge mistake.
I own the carbine version and LOVE it... wasn't interested in the platform until these changes, but my gosh it looks SO MUCH BETTER, and the functional changes are actually major improvements, like the grip angle issue, bolt release, and frankly, the non-paddle style release for the mag is also a BIG win in my book. Sucks if you jumped in early, but for us late adapters of this platform, you guys knocked it out the park!! I'm about to buy the micro now, with the rebate it is too much to pass up for me.
Have you had any issues ? I am thinking to buy the Evo 3 Plus Carbine but I heard about some out of battery discharges.
@@markboulanger1113 I have had zero issues so far, and liked it so much I bought the shorty pistol just a few months ago. No problems with it yet either, but I haven't shot it very much.
@@herdogoats thanks so much, pal.
@markboulanger1113 I'm getting close to 500 through my 3+ Micro and I've had zero issues. One "feature" mine seems to exhibit is firmly inserting a mag will drop the bolt 😂🤷🏻♂️
@@HondaTurboToys thanks for this.
I was legit stoked at first when I saw this on the home page. Now i'm really bummed. What a kick in the nuts to everyone who already has mags. I was about ten seconds from buying one on gun broker. I am so happy I didn't
Just put a notch in your old mags. Judas
@@mediocreman2 Yeah, no thanks. Probably fine, but cutting notches into polymer mag is asking for an issue. I know yeti makes a tool now, but for reliability I would not even bother.
Honestly this was a missed opportunity for a Aluminum or steel upper and making it roller delay. The other thing is they change the mag that alone will alienate 100% of owners of older iterations and for the price might a well get a PTR MP5, Zenith MP5 or even an MPX is going to be interesting how the market will react.
Its a way to make it cheaper turning a great gun into trash.
I’m with you. Not changing or upgrading from my S2, and if I was it would be the MP5 clones you named. You read my mind. The only reason we buy something like this is for the experience of a different platform. Adding AR ergo’s is selling out to me. God willing, an MP5 clone is next.
Thanks for this, exactly what I wanted to know.
Cool little fella getting even cooler :)
I liked the Ak style mag release. The only thing really wrong with the other one was the grip, safety selector and the muzzle brake should of had the tread protector built in. I was really excited about this one till I heard the specs and was like ummm nope.
I would of simply tossed the xm8 copy grip and added a ergonomic grip. Changed the handguard with Mlok and full length rail on top no angle down like the evo 3. Better sling attachments. Modified the rear of bolt so the hammer will only make contact when fully in battery sorta like the bolt carrier tail on AK. And last reinforce the area of the receiver and breech so it wont crack
I bet HBI releases a kit to retrofit old mags to work.
It's called a dermal
@@Excalibur01 or Dremal even :D
Drop the price y’all are nuts.
They're $7-800 now 👍
That's all very nice. But when will there be a CZ da/sa or in the size of a 365 xl? In competitions I shoot the shadow 2 OR. I and many others would appreciate it if CZ would release a narrow P05 OR, or something like that. Thanks in advance.
Does the new handguard off the 3+ work on the old S3? The picatiny rails feel uncomfortable on mine and I was looking at replacing it but the aftermarket aluminum ones heat up and the Pakse looks cheap.
Does the new scorpion have a safety sear that prevents out of battery detonations? That's the main thing I'm curious about
sammme
Are parts like charging handle interchangeable between the 3+ and the Evo 3
I wished CZ would have stuck with the mag release. I love the one on my S2. Absolutely the best of any firearm I own. It doesn’t get any faster either.
Have you had any issues ? I am thinking to buy the Evo 3 Plus Carbine but I heard about some out of battery discharges.
@@markboulanger1113 I wouldn’t hesitate to. That’s the first time I’ve heard of it. All I’ve ever heard and seen is that is ultra reliable. They are so cheap right now you can’t go wrong. In sale -$400 off. Not sure about the prices on the carbines.
@@wheelstandr thanks so much for the reply. I will go ahead and pick one up. The carbine is about $800
@@markboulanger1113 Yea, that’s a great price.
What’s the purpose of the hole below the grip in the 3+ micro? If it’s used for storage, why didn’t Cz throw in a plug? Just wondering because I have the 3+ micro model. It’s a great add to the scorpion platform. ❤😍🥰
Will y’all be selling new high sights separate, If so when will they be available?
CZ should have just retained their Iconic mag catch and bolt release ...
Does the grip of the 3+ fits in the evo 3
You can still mod your old mags to work with this very easily
But imagine them making this and finding out everyone hates it😂😂 why so much polymer though!? Everyone pay your respects, we lost a good man today. The Evo 3 S1
Everyone needs to be aware that if you’re a long time scorpion user your older mags will NOT work, not even PMAGS without modification.
Are we going to get a trail pistol 9" 300blk? Or a trail heavy 12" 8.6blk pistol?
Is there a hogue rubber grip that will fit? Of what is the Closest pistol grip that can be compared with the evo s2?
CZ fix the rattle/play on the trigger pack connecting to the upper
Can’t wait to pick this one up
I'm a CZ Fan boy, but they have been letting me down with their new releases. First the a micro compact (P-10m) in 2021 that only holds 7+1, now this.
Hey, any suggestions on muzzle breaks for evo 3 s2?
Soo could we mod the old mags to work? Like dremel a "window"?
I'm not an expert on the topic I only have the 3+ but I have been seeing CZ customs and other sites already doing it to old mags and selling them that way. So I bet you could.
if only we could get a 10mm model...
And what exactly was wrong with the paddle release? Not everything has to be an AR derivative you know. Had you all left the magwell and mag release alone, this would have been a no brainer upgrade.
How about the CZ 600 Trail, when is that finally getting released? I NEED one! 😄🥺
Not if I get one first😭😂
They changed the mags to make money. No one had an issue with the paddle type mag release. Especially when upgraded to an extended release from the aftermarket. I guess it's upper managements job to make money but making it off of the gen 2 mags is kinda sketchy.
Will this lower be the new standard?
Confused by the backwards compatibility part. Can my cz evo 3 mags still be used on the 3+ or can they be modified to work?
Looks like you can't use the old mags with the new gun
You have to be wrong b/c if you are right, that would be incredibly stupid by CZ
@@Kinga30047 A recent video says exactly that. You can use the NEW mags in the old gun but not the OLD mags into the new guns.
Yup, i called CZ USA to confirm and you are indeed right. WOW.. someone make it make sense..
@@Kinga30047 They basically took design cues from the Bren 2
Just bought the EVO 3 S1. Can you provide possible upgrades I can do
What reddot would you guys personally recommend for it?
Holosun 512c on sale today at palmetto state armory. $249. A steal! That’s what I run. I have 3. These used to never be in stock and $400. $359 on sale. Don’t even blink, buy it.
so the only real upgrade i see here is the grip which you could replace for 20$ anyway. based off the new mag release and bolt catch alone i would not buy this not to mention you changed the freakin magazines. such a shame, one of my favorite platforms and you guys could have done some great things with it but this just isnt it. I will give you it is much more aesthetically pleasing but thats about it and that hurts to say because I love my CZ's.
How much is this for in USA? In Pakistan we are getting the version with modes:- safe, semi, burst and auto fire for about 2500-3000$.
the redeeming feature of the scorpion used to be the widely available mags. why throw the baby out with the bathwater. and the price hike for another straight blowback design. yikes.
Why the +? That’s like The XD’s LGBHQ2+ grip zone labeled pistol grip.
Problem is i cant use my old mags for the new 3plus what a bummer
Where's the sling points? Come on that's such a simple thing that was missed here. Could have at least gone with one...
Option for roller delay?
Fantastic they should have made the magazine to fit all three handguns that is a design flaws that should have kept the same magazine so it will fit the old style and then you style
i would have bought one at first chance if the mags were the same. If i wanna pay that price and need new mags I'll get a B&T ghm , atleadt those mags fit all their stuff. big loss on the mag change, and anyone that would dremel a mag on a gun you would bet your life on is not that smart. on up side you can always get a job at CZ for new product design!! apparently not that smart is a requirement.
This change make scorpion to “ wana be ar9 “but its still not those guy who complain on mag release is not your customer they gonna buy banshee or mpx anyway stand and proud on your own platform and make its standard to other like what glock pistol dose and you can become what AR mag stand today
Dont be stupid and try to be AR you are not
why use polymer for the handguard!! The top pic rail was polymer too, at least pin a aluminum pic rail in place... No way that zero holds after it gets banged around in the gun safe or back seat... Come on CZ, dont cheap out and charge more to do it....
A year later and still baffled why the mag change was thought to be a good idea. Way to fumble this entire model CZ. Smh
As someone who didn't have a Scorpion, the 3+ has been a great entry point 😂👍
Those strips of "texture' on the handguard are a deal breaker for me. Sorry, but that completely ruins the gun and it looks horrible. Was this a Colt idea? If I got one I would either have to have a way to remove them or mod them so I can't see how horrible and worthless they are. Completely kills the weird crazy industrial look
Changing the mag release is the worst thing possible. So many of us that came from AR’s DID NOT have any issue with the trigger guard area release. So to change that to the bolt release is horrible. Plus like many others have said: the original mag has become a standard for many other makers to use. So changing the mag release forced a new mag body to be made as the catch is now in a different location. Please refrain from changing things that the majority of users DO NOT WANT
Minimizing the magwell to increase the "purchase of handguard". Marketing gimmick for all you firsttime gun owners lmao
New mags? You realize that customers hate when you do that right? Out of touch with customers.
major fail on mags not being compatible
THIS SUCKS, I DONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON AT CZ BUT SOMEONE IS RUNNING A GOOD COMPANY INTO THE GROUND!!!!! FIRST YOU DID AWAY WITH THE OLD SIGHTS AND ADDED CHEAP MAGPUL TRASH SIGHTS NOW YOU REMAKE THE BEST SELLING PISTOL TO HAVE NEW MAGS THAT WONT WORK WITH THE OLD STYLE EVOS AND ADD MORE PLASTIC, IM SORRY "POLYMER" IN PLACE OF ALUMINUM.
To make this video without CLEARLY STATING that the OLD MAGS WONT WORK is actually kind of chickensh!t.
No thanks
Her voice is very hard to understand!
Sorry!
Lol just another company claiming new product “new” when all they did was put a new lower on it and call it day so now you should pay more for the same crap you did 10 years ago lol hey cz how about you fix your crappy build quality these guns rattle like child’s toy with beads in it right out the box, honestly for 1,200$ just get a sig rattler